Eclipse: present thoughts?

[Michigan Girl]

I will say the intro is the best example of eeee-nun-cee-aaa-shhuun
I have ever heard in Rock and Roll ...ever!!

[Jana]

I would have to put as my least favorite song Ritual. And it's still a decent song, but it comes after Human Feel which I have come to love, and Ritual just doesn't knock me over following Human Feel. I like TWIMC and then Someone as the ending songs. They're a nice combination to end as they're not too samey. And unlike many on here, I really like Neal's instrumental. I still don"t find any filler on this album, songs that I want to skip.

[WykkedSensation]

Don't like it too much but don't particularly hate the thing either. Has some decent cuts but has some real stinkers too. Average overall.

[Red13JoePa]

I would have to put as my least favorite song Ritual. And it's still a decent song, but it comes after Human Feel which I have come to love, and Ritual just doesn't knock me over following Human Feel. I like TWIMC and then Someone as the ending songs. They're a nice combination to end as they're not too samey. And unlike many on here, I really like Neal's instrumental. I still don"t find any filler on this album, songs that I want to skip.

While I love Ritual (Cain is just absoutley on fire with that keyboard riff in the chorus), I totally agree on HF. Awesome song, was hoping against hope they'd debut it in Camden. The last 2 minutes of Schon/Castronovo absolutely swaggering is almost my favorite part of the tune. Like the message about disconnecting from the computers and cell phones and Ipads, etc...

[Don]

I would have to put as my least favorite song Ritual. And it's still a decent song, but it comes after Human Feel which I have come to love, and Ritual just doesn't knock me over following Human Feel. I like TWIMC and then Someone as the ending songs. They're a nice combination to end as they're not too samey. And unlike many on here, I really like Neal's instrumental. I still don"t find any filler on this album, songs that I want to skip.

While I love Ritual (Cain is just absoutley on fire with that keyboard riff in the chorus), I totally agree on HF. Awesome song, was hoping against hope they'd debut it in Camden. The last 2 minutes of Schon/Castronovo absolutely swaggering is almost my favorite part of the tune. Like the message about disconnecting from the computers and cell phones and Ipads, etc...

Ritual should be included in Night Ranger's setlist, it sounds like a Jack Blades song all the way.

[SilvioRodrigues]

Despite its comercial failure, for me it's a solid album. I have the original CD and a CD-R in my car...and also in Mp3. I listen to it maybe 2 or 3 times a week.

They played five songs in Sao Paulo (COH, EOTM, Resonate, HF and COL) so, when the album was released, I've already knew almost 50% of the album. At that time COH and Resonate were my favorites. Now, I pick Someone as my favorite, but I always skip TWIMC and stop playing after Someone. I think that I will listen this album more than Revelation and the old stuff like Evolution, Departure...

Great:
Someone
Ritual
Resonate
Chain of Love
City of Hope
Anything is Possible

Good:
Edge of the Moment
Tantra
Human Feel
She's a Mystery

Weak:
To Whom It Mat Concern
Venus

[Gideon]

I really don't see an overarching theme in every song either, but lyrically I must say this is by far the band's most ambitious effort and is much more sophisticated than most of their catalog.

Certainly very ambitious to have the overall concept based on Buddhist beliefs, since that could be very polarizing.

I can't say the same, even as a Christian.

[Ehwmatt]

I LOVE how the ending of AIP goes into a darker tone. The Schon/Cain outro makes a left turn from the 100% upbeat musicianship and Arnel starts warning "It's the choice you make. It's the time you take."

Just fantastic fantastic stuff.

Right now that song is in my top 3 in the entire cannon.

It's a good song but I feel like it lacks some kinda oomph or power that these types of songs from Journey usually have. But all in all, it's still one of my favorites on the album. But, that minor key outro shift is terrible and overindulgent. A good producer (i.e., a neutral one rather than Schon or Cain) would have nixed that shitty outro: "Hey guys, you've got a great song here... don't ruin it with this minor key wankery."

[RedWingFan]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

[Gideon]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

[Red13JoePa]

Chain Of Love is pretty huge...that trance-like key thing Cain has snaking through the whole track is damn fine. He really sinewed Neal's Hulking guitars together with some subtle key effects on the album.

Neal was going way out on the limb, doing some guitars never done in Journey before and Cain buttressed the limb.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...that minor key outro shift is terrible and overindulgent. A good producer (i.e., a neutral one rather than Schon or Cain) would have nixed that shitty outro: "Hey guys, you've got a great song here... don't ruin it with this minor key wankery."

Sounds like what a Sony A&R hack would say. Many of Journey's best songs (ex. Just the Same Way, I Can See it in Your Eyes) fade out right when Schon's getting started.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...that trance-like key thing Cain has snaking through the whole track is damn fine.

Yeh, that's very distinctive and a cool effect.

[Glenn]

It's been a few months, what are the current thoughts on Eclipse? Has it stood the test of time?

Yup...If anything, I like it more now.

[steveo777]

It's been a few months, what are the current thoughts on Eclipse? Has it stood the test of time?

Yup...If anything, I like it more now.

Yup, one of my favorite Journey albums of all time. Fuck them commercial sales guys!

Eclipse is an evolutionary album and it will evolve. Hate will grow to love. Herbie would love this album and he would have promoted the balls off of it.

[Don]

Will be interesting to see who pays for the next album or does Cain end up breaking out those Arrival tapes?

[Gideon]

I really doubt they'll do that.

[steveo777]

Will be interesting to see who pays for the next album or does Cain end up breaking out those Arrival tapes?

Let's not do this. Who will be best served by that shit? I see no point in digging up those bones, do you?

[Don]

I really doubt they'll do that.

With Revelation and even with Eclipse, both projects where supposed to be more like EP releases instead of full albums (as far as new material). The money talked in those two instances but if its on their own dime this time around, who knows what they'll do.

[slucero]

retire.

[yulog]

Weakest cd since Perry joined, .... still it has a couple of bright moments on it,but so many forgettable ones.

[Gideon]

Weakest cd since Perry joined, .... still it has a couple of bright moments on it,but so many forgettable ones.

That's probably a tie between Generations or Raised on Radio, IMHO.

[Argus]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

In some cases parts of the songs are missing. The only thing that bothers me about Tantra is the line "Tantra watch over me".. Tantra is not an entity and does no watching. Kali might watch over someone, but tantra is a system.. it is Tantra (Sanskrit: तन्त्र , "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine", from the two root words tanoti "stretch, extend, expand", and trayati "liberation"), anglicised tantricism or tantrism or tantram, is the name scholars give to an inter-religious spiritual movement that arose in medieval India, expressed in scriptures (called "Tantras").

[Don]

Weakest cd since Perry joined, .... still it has a couple of bright moments on it,but so many forgettable ones.

That's probably a tie between Generations or Raised on Radio, IMHO.

The weird thing about ROR is, despite it's low sales numbers, I believe it's the only original Journey album to have five songs make it onto the Hot 100.

[steveo777]

Weakest cd since Perry joined, .... still it has a couple of bright moments on it,but so many forgettable ones.

That's probably a tie between Generations or Raised on Radio, IMHO.

The weird thing about ROR is, despite it's low sales numbers, I believe it's the only original Journey album to have five songs make it onto the Hot 100.

Some things in life are just wrong and that is one of those things.

[Gideon]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

In some cases parts of the songs are missing. The only thing that bothers me about Tantra is the line "Tantra watch over me".. Tantra is not an entity and does no watching. Kali might watch over someone, but tantra is a system.. it is Tantra (Sanskrit: तन्त्र , "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine", from the two root words tanoti "stretch, extend, expand", and trayati "liberation"), anglicised tantricism or tantrism or tantram, is the name scholars give to an inter-religious spiritual movement that arose in medieval India, expressed in scriptures (called "Tantras").

I don't think it was an error, but an intentional use of personification. That sort of thing is fairly common.

[Argus]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

In some cases parts of the songs are missing. The only thing that bothers me about Tantra is the line "Tantra watch over me".. Tantra is not an entity and does no watching. Kali might watch over someone, but tantra is a system.. it is Tantra (Sanskrit: तन्त्र , "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine", from the two root words tanoti "stretch, extend, expand", and trayati "liberation"), anglicised tantricism or tantrism or tantram, is the name scholars give to an inter-religious spiritual movement that arose in medieval India, expressed in scriptures (called "Tantras").

I don't think it was an error, but an intentional use of personification. That sort of thing is fairly common.

But in this context personification is totally wrong. That is the point of the system to lose oneself, ego and become enlightened and free from personification. Jon, Jon... tsk tsk

[steveo777]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

In some cases parts of the songs are missing. The only thing that bothers me about Tantra is the line "Tantra watch over me".. Tantra is not an entity and does no watching. Kali might watch over someone, but tantra is a system.. it is Tantra (Sanskrit: तन्त्र , "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine", from the two root words tanoti "stretch, extend, expand", and trayati "liberation"), anglicised tantricism or tantrism or tantram, is the name scholars give to an inter-religious spiritual movement that arose in medieval India, expressed in scriptures (called "Tantras").

I don't think it was an error, but an intentional use of personification. That sort of thing is fairly common.

But in this context personification is totally wrong. That is the point of the system to lose oneself, ego and become enlightened and free from personification. Jon, Jon... tsk tsk

Jon? I'm lost. He, according to my wife, is the sexiest man in Journey. Is she blind?

[Gideon]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

In some cases parts of the songs are missing. The only thing that bothers me about Tantra is the line "Tantra watch over me".. Tantra is not an entity and does no watching. Kali might watch over someone, but tantra is a system.. it is Tantra (Sanskrit: तन्त्र , "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine", from the two root words tanoti "stretch, extend, expand", and trayati "liberation"), anglicised tantricism or tantrism or tantram, is the name scholars give to an inter-religious spiritual movement that arose in medieval India, expressed in scriptures (called "Tantras").

I don't think it was an error, but an intentional use of personification. That sort of thing is fairly common.

But in this context personification is totally wrong. That is the point of the system to lose oneself, ego and become enlightened and free from personification. Jon, Jon... tsk tsk

Jon? I'm lost. He, according to my wife, is the sexiest man in Journey. Is she blind?

My girlfriend thinks similarly. To be fair, he still seems to be in fantastic shape for his age.

[Argus]

Can't really remember much. Anyone know if that stream is still running so I can take another listen?

The songs are on Youtube.

In some cases parts of the songs are missing. The only thing that bothers me about Tantra is the line "Tantra watch over me".. Tantra is not an entity and does no watching. Kali might watch over someone, but tantra is a system.. it is Tantra (Sanskrit: तन्त्र , "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine", from the two root words tanoti "stretch, extend, expand", and trayati "liberation"), anglicised tantricism or tantrism or tantram, is the name scholars give to an inter-religious spiritual movement that arose in medieval India, expressed in scriptures (called "Tantras").

I don't think it was an error, but an intentional use of personification. That sort of thing is fairly common.

But in this context personification is totally wrong. That is the point of the system to lose oneself, ego and become enlightened and free from personification. Jon, Jon... tsk tsk

Jon? I'm lost. He, according to my wife, is the sexiest man in Journey. Is she blind?

I'm not disputing his appeal only his knowledge of theology