Some interesting facts about Obamacare...

[G.I.Jim]

So those people are NOT helping the economy? I've honestly never heard anyone discuss the fact that business owners are taking people off the streets and helping get them off of welfare or unemployment and should thus be compensated by the government. It's just something I thought about tonight while thinking about this whole mess. I honestly DON'T think the government should be paying them, and am just saying it in jest. The government wants to take our money to "create" jobs, that if they would just get the hell out of the way, would be created by the very people they're trying to punish for being successful and it wouldn't cost us a dime. In fact, it would put dollars IN our pockets by stimulating the economy

Hmm... pay LOTS of money and get no jobs, or step down and let business owners do it like they've always done it when they're left alone to do it, and have them create TONS of jobs at NO cost to us... This is a hard decision. They've shown that they can't do one thing successful with our money, and another tax funded "stimulus" just blows me away. they are freaking retarded!

[Behshad]

You're wrong B. I never said they get taxed higher. I said they pay the same INCOME taxes that we all do but that's not accurate. They actually do pay more because they're in a higher tax bracket. What I also said was that the President keeps throwing out this "16%" thing, when in fact, the 16% thing is on money that was already taxed at an income tax rate. What incentive would people have to invest in our stock markets if they're going to risk their money AND be taxed AGAIN at 35%? Their money in the market is what helps this country function and it helps stimulate our economy.

Obama is going to gouge business owners large AND small, and they aren't going to hire anyone. Did you read that the government is not only going to penalize them if they don't provide their employees with healthcare, but also if they don't provide the FAMILIES of those employees with healthcare also? all of the tens of thousands of small business owners around the country will start letting go of employees because they won't be able to afford the burdens put on them by the feds. You think we're in hard times now? just wait!

But they dont pay more. Dont you get it. Theyre on a higher tax bracket yes but with everything that they write off they still end up paying less than you and I

You aren't very good with math are you?? If I make a million dollars and only pay 16% in FEDERAL INCOME TAX...that is STILL $160,000 now add state and local income tax, property taxes, school taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes and that number goes up considerably...and I would be you have NEVER paid $160K in taxes...let alone the aggregate tax burden.

You arent very good at paying attention are you ?
Most those who make the millions, dont pay the 160000 in taxes. My costumer Jim is one of them. He brags about how he hasnt paid a dime in taxes from his pocket in pver 30 years. And he isnt the only one . It happens all the time.

So Jim is one of the 1400 American Millionaires who somehow get away with no fed tax due. So what?...look at what Jim did for his community. 100 jobs created in his business with associated taxes, jobs created by purchasing a plane and associated taxes, jobs created by purchasing jet fuel and airport fees and associated taxes, buying a car most certainly required state tax and licenseing fees, I'm guessing he has a facility for these 100 workers that requires water, sewage, phones and electric which must be paid to PUBLIC UTILITIES. Vendors will charge tax and last but not least the MAN gets his one way or another. He pays it or his business does, same fucking difference. Jeez....

The point is, there is ZERO from Jims money and jobs created that goes towards the healthcare.
And anytime he buys a car from us, he pays ZERO in taxes because he is tex exempt.

Jim has no moral or {until now} legal obligation to anyones health. None.

Yet you do by paying portion of your paycheck towards others healthcare. How fair is that to you , an individual that works hard and doesn't have a private plane , to contribute more towards others healthcare than Jim does ?!

[Behshad]

The only portion of my money that goes toward health for others is my property tax for indigent care and MRDD... the retards like you are being tonite..does Jim owm proprerty?

Well you've been a retard all your life, so your property tax goes right back in your pocket. Where do you think your income tax go ?!

[Ehwmatt]

Let me make this real easy for you:

99% of the human beings I encounter are pure shit. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. I don't want one red cent going towards any brokeass noob's health care. If my friend or a loved one needs help with a medical bill, I'd be happy to help them out of my own pocket and out of my own after-tax dollars. Some stranger? No thanks.

[Behshad]

Let me make this real easy for you:

99% of the human beings I encounter are pure shit. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. I don't want one red cent going towards any brokeass noob's health care. If my friend or a loved one needs help with a medical bill, I'd be happy to help them out of my own pocket and out of my own after-tax dollars. Some stranger? No thanks.

Then why don't you work toward a system where we all pay ZERO I'm taxes. I'm all for that

[RossValoryRocks]

And anytime he buys a car from us, he pays ZERO in taxes because he is tex exempt.

Bullshit he is tax exempt...he pays 6.2% (usually, right now 4.2%) wage tax to social security...his business pays the other 6.2% for him, he pays Medicare taxes (Which goes to healthcare), he pays state and local income taxes, he pays property taxes on his home and business property, as well as providing healthcare subsidies to his employees. WTF more do you want from a person???

BTW if a person has a "business" car available for personal use, then that person can only write off the "business use" portion...and he gets to pay the taxes on the rest...really B...take a tax course or speak to an accountant or something...you really have no factual basis for your statements.

But I am beginning to doubt this guys exists...he is just too perfect of a target to illustrate your "point", such as it is.

You obviously don't understand tax law or the tax system in general and your statements prove this.

[Behshad]

The only portion of my money that goes toward health for others is my property tax for indigent care and MRDD... the retards like you are being tonite..does Jim owm proprerty?

Well you've been a retard all your life, so your property tax goes right back in your pocket. Where do you think your income tax go ?!

WTF does this mean...





gotta change the subject or my brains gonna explode...

You said your portion of property tax goes to help retards. You're a retard. The money goes back into your pocket. Retard.

[Behshad]

And anytime he buys a car from us, he pays ZERO in taxes because he is tex exempt.

Bullshit he is tax exempt...he pays 6.2% (usually, right now 4.2%) wage tax to social security...his business pays the other 6.2% for him, he pays Medicare taxes (Which goes to healthcare), he pays state and local income taxes, he pays property taxes on his home and business property, as well as providing healthcare subsidies to his employees. WTF more do you want from a person???

BTW if a person has a "business" car available for personal use, then that person can only write off the "business use" portion...and he gets to pay the taxes on the rest...really B...take a tax course or speak to an accountant or something...you really have no factual basis for your statements.

But I am beginning to doubt this guys exists...he is just too perfect of a target to illustrate your "point", such as it is.

You obviously don't understand tax law or the tax system in general and your statements prove this.

You obviously don't understand your native language.

This guy buys cars from us as well as other dealers but he has an LD fleet number ( although he is not a leading or fleet company) which means on the TAX LINE that I charge every other customer 7% state&county tax , his is ZERO.

Sure , he pays property tax. Sure he pays sales tax when he goes to the mall etc. But when it comes to his business he gets away by writing off enough expenses to pay next to nothing in income taxes.
But FactTwister said it's ok for Jim to get away with it cause he pays fuel tax for his plane

[G.I.Jim]

You're wrong B. I never said they get taxed higher. I said they pay the same INCOME taxes that we all do but that's not accurate. They actually do pay more because they're in a higher tax bracket. What I also said was that the President keeps throwing out this "16%" thing, when in fact, the 16% thing is on money that was already taxed at an income tax rate. What incentive would people have to invest in our stock markets if they're going to risk their money AND be taxed AGAIN at 35%? Their money in the market is what helps this country function and it helps stimulate our economy.

Obama is going to gouge business owners large AND small, and they aren't going to hire anyone. Did you read that the government is not only going to penalize them if they don't provide their employees with healthcare, but also if they don't provide the FAMILIES of those employees with healthcare also? all of the tens of thousands of small business owners around the country will start letting go of employees because they won't be able to afford the burdens put on them by the feds. You think we're in hard times now? just wait!

But they dont pay more. Dont you get it. Theyre on a higher tax bracket yes but with everything that they write off they still end up paying less than you and I

You aren't very good with math are you?? If I make a million dollars and only pay 16% in FEDERAL INCOME TAX...that is STILL $160,000 now add state and local income tax, property taxes, school taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes and that number goes up considerably...and I would be you have NEVER paid $160K in taxes...let alone the aggregate tax burden.

You arent very good at paying attention are you ?
Most those who make the millions, dont pay the 160000 in taxes. My costumer Jim is one of them. He brags about how he hasnt paid a dime in taxes from his pocket in pver 30 years. And he isnt the only one . It happens all the time.

So Jim is one of the 1400 American Millionaires who somehow get away with no fed tax due. So what?...look at what Jim did for his community. 100 jobs created in his business with associated taxes, jobs created by purchasing a plane and associated taxes, jobs created by purchasing jet fuel and airport fees and associated taxes, buying a car most certainly required state tax and licenseing fees, I'm guessing he has a facility for these 100 workers that requires water, sewage, phones and electric which must be paid to PUBLIC UTILITIES. Vendors will charge tax and last but not least the MAN gets his one way or another. He pays it or his business does, same fucking difference. Jeez....

The point is, there is ZERO from Jims money and jobs created that goes towards the healthcare.
And anytime he buys a car from us, he pays ZERO in taxes because he is tex exempt.

Jim has no moral or {until now} legal obligation to anyones health. None.

Um... can we change this guys name to something other than Jim? I'm beginning to feel a little uncomfortable here. Yes I own 6 1/2 acres, and yes I pay all of my taxes.