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Postby Arianddu » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:57 pm

WARNING! This is long. If I stop writing in paragraphs and start insisting that I have the moral high ground and the right to criticise everyone else, shoot me immediately.

Ok, first up, let me say I had a ball, despite everything that is to follow. I was hyped to go, I had Ian with me, I was thrilled at the generosity of the meet and greet passes, and I was finally going to see a favourite band I never thought I'd get to see live. Despite everything, I had fun.

Having said that, there were some pretty big stand outs for me.

First - NEAL SCHON, WILL YOU PLEASE QUIT STICKING BOTOX IN YOUR FACE!!!!

Seriously, it doesn't make him look younger, it makes him look like he's had some weird kind of stroke that affected the top half of his head instead of the left or right side. Neal's never been a classically good looking guy; what made him attractive was the emotional mobility and expressiveness of his face. Look back at the old photos before he started this poisonous shit - his smile lit up his face and when he was serious you could tell exactly how he felt about something from his expression. He's a passionate player, and it used to be the passion showed up in his face as much as it came his fingertips. Last night his face was frozen from the eyes up. Those mobile, expressive eyebrows were dead, the lines of concentration and passion in his forehead were non-existant, and his smile struggled to reach his eyes, which looked deadend and artificial. It didn't make him look younger AT ALL, it just made him look like an old man trying to be a young dog. It reduced all the passionate expression into a rictus grin that made him look like a cross between the Joker and Guy Fawkes from 'V for Vendetta'. I'd have laughed if it didn't bother me so much. If he knocked off the botox and let his face express his emotions (and his smile) again, he'd be a damn sight better looking, and I suspect he'd look younger too, even with the lines. And damn it, he EARNED those lines!

Ok, with that off my back, the show itself.

First in the line up, and Night Ranger have a new fan. Great showmen, great music, and it was obvious that they were having a lot of fun. I really noticed something about this line up - Foreigner have a frontman; Journey have a lead guitarist and lead singer; Night Ranger seem to be a bunch of guys having fun making music with each other. I don't know anything about the band, or the history of its members, but last night they certainly projected a happy, friendly atmosphere, where no one was fighting for the limelight and they all seemed to be happy to share the front spot around. More than anything, they just seemed to be happy to be up on stage and making music, even if only half the audience was there.

We saw the whole Night Ranger set, then went backstage for the meet and greet. A lot of people had passes; we got to meet Arnel, and got a quick 'hi' in passing from Jon, who was the only one who seemed to be happy to be wandering around chatting to people. Arnel was very sweet, and seemed genuinely flattered that someone would come from Australia to see the concert. He was bundled up in multiple layers and still obviously cold - there is no 'padding' on this guy at all! I felt a little sorry for him, to be honest - he obviously wants to please his fans, but it felt a bit like a sideshow with him as the freak attraction. When I told him I didn't need a photograph to remember meeting him, he seemed genunely touched. I don't want to claim I was the only one who made him feel like a person not an 'attraction', but he seemed to appreciate the sentiment anyway.

And yes, he is tiny. When he went to shake hands with Ian, there was a startled look on his face - Arnel barely came up to Ian's mid-chest. In fact, we joked afterwards that if we'd stacked Arnel two high and three across, he'd just about make one Ian. It's not just that he's short, he's also unbelievably thin. I remember reading that Audrey Hepburn put her 'waifish' figure down to having starved in her teenage years in war-torn Holland, and I wondered if the same thing applied to Arnel. There is not an ounce of spare flesh on him, anywhere. We talked a bit about touring Asia and Australia, and he pretty much confirmed an Australian tour just doesn't work into their logistics. Ah well.

We missed the first couple of songs by Foreigner, but that did make the change in the audience pretty obvious. BIG difference between Aussie and American audiences - for this kind of concert, everyone would have been there for the opening act. Maybe not as into them as the headliners, but they would have been there. When Ian and I left after the Night Ranger set, maybe half of the audience still had to take their seats. I also completely flipped out at the concept of buying hot meals to eat during the concert - WTF? Popcorn and fairy floss (er, cotton candy? Spun sugar in luminous artificial colours) being sold between sets, I mean, seriously? This is a rock concert, not a damn movie in the park! Anyway, the seats were full and the audience was jamming for Foreigner. Really good energy levels (more on that when we get to Journey.) I'm not a huge Foreigner fan; I like the songs I know, but I've never followed them or bought an album. May have to change that ;) Ian is more of a fan, and he loved it. There was a definite stage presence, and like I said, Foreigner have a frontman, not just a lead singer. They did a great set, and the crowd got into it.

Then Journey. And here the difference really showed. It was pretty obvious this was a Journey crowd, but I was still surprised at how many of the crowd just didn't get into it. Every time I looked around, between half and a third of the audience, even if they were standing up, were just still. No head bopping, no toe-tapping, just completely still. They might as well have been watching a film up there, and that kinda confused me. Don't know if it's an Aussie vs American thing, or just this gig, or what. As the set went on, I really noticed dips in energy with every song, and I'm sorry to say it, because I love the guy's playing, but Neal Schon is the problem.

I've never seen Journey before, but I have seen the DVDs of 'Live in Houston' and the Budokan shows from the early 80s, plus all those YouTube clips. There's no doubt that Steve Perry was the frontman of those shows, but at the same time, if I was to compare those performances to the three I saw last night, then I'd have to say they were closer in feel to the Night Ranger set up than Foreigner or current Journey. There was a sense that every person in the band was having fun, and they each got their moments in the sun. Last night, it felt like Neal needed to be centre-stage every single second, and it seriously cost the band in terms of audience energy. Every song had a long, drawn out end - nothing clean, nothing sharp, just bleeding away into Neal's shreds with Deen giving it just enough drum support. The result was an audience who never really knew when to cheer; instead of a thunderous, energising response at the end of a final chord, the applause got diffused across a minute or two of noise.

On top of that, Neal seems to have forgotten it's MELODIC rock, and that shredding doesn't need to sound like someone's using a cheesegrater on the amp. What I remember of the guitar solos from 'Live in Houston' is virtuoso guitar work with impecable melody, perfectly reflecting the singing and the song as a whole. What I heard last night was. pure and simple, musical masturbation. I love some shred, but it's like chili - even if you like it hot, you want more to the dish than just that. The guitar solo (as opposed to solo spot in a song) was perfect at the start, and I wanted to yell 'do that more' because it began that way - melodic, emotive, technically complex with musical soul - but even that degenerated into two minutes of guitar sound effects and then dischordant shredding. When he shifted from playing to sound effects, for a moment I felt like crying, because it seemed to me like Neal Schon - of all people! - has lost his musical soul. All that stuff from the 70s and 80s, all that stretch and soul and fusion, all that melodic expression and creativity and virtuosity, has been reduced to a one trick pony, and the trick is LOUD and not very interesting.

What also hit home is that Neal doesn't seem to be able to let anyone else step forward. Points where Jon, Deen or Ross take up the spotlight in the song, Neal seemed to be incapable of letting them go for it, he had to cut in with some more shredding. Jon's harmonica solo was painful, to be honest, because he and Neal were so out of synch and out of tune with each other. At that point, Neal should have been pulling back and letting Jon go for it - for a whole 30 sconds! - but he just didn't seem to be able to. I can't remember which song, but I remember at one point the entire audience simply stopped moving and just watched because they just couldn't find the beat through Neal's playing. Deen was still playing strong, but when the drummer is keeping perfect time and can clearly be heard, yet the audience can't find the beat because of the guitarist's solo antics, there is something going seriously wrong. Not even the audience was allowed to keep the focus for more than a moment - the audience singing 'na na na' from LTS lost it and drifted off when Neal went into another 'virtuoso-shred'.

The main problem with all this is that it seemed to just suck the energy out of the audience. Ever had one of those days when it's all stop-start-stop-start? Know how tiring those are compared to even a busy day when it's all go-go-go? That's how this felt. Every time the audience picked up and rode the energy of the song, there was this halt while Neal took off, and then an increasing drag to pick up the swell again when he stopped. A guitar solo should be riding the crest of the wave of the song's energy, not taking the energy from it, which is what seemed to be happening. When Jon came out to do his piano solo, a flashy, classical/prog rock thing, there simply wasn't any energy left in the audience for it. The last two songs, the encore, were (mostly) devoide of Neal's antics, and was how the whole gig should have been done - tight, high energy, melodic, and the whole band in sync energy wise and enjoyment wise - and the audience ate it up.

I don't know what's going on with the band, but this isn't a band of brothers any more, not by a long shot. I've always held that Perry and Schon together were better than they were apart, and seeing this performance has made me reconsider why. Neal is a great player, but he needs something to play against, something or someone that will both fight him for the spotlight and surrender it to him at the right time. Perry did that, and did it well. Arnel is a great singer, but he isn't able to stand up to Neal musically (and I'd guess personally either, for all kinds of reasons.) Jon, Ross and Deen are good musicians, and it was great to see them, but there didn't seem to be that aura around them that said they were having fun, having the time of their lives. They were working musicians doing a job, not a bunch of guys having fun on the stage doing what they love, and that does sadden me. It also tells me that it may well be time for Journey to hang up their laurels, leave it for a bit until they get their mojo back, and then do one last farewell tour in two or three years.

So, to sum up:
Despite everything, I had a hell of a lot of fun.
Neal needs to seriously tone it down, stop behaving like a talented kid at a grown up party and let go, and he really needs to get his melodic mojo back.
Arnel is not Steve Perry, and I don't think he's trying to be, but he's a good singer, and given half a chance I think would make a decent front man. I'd definitely pay to see him with his own band.
Fried chicken and onion rings do not belong in a rock concert.
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Postby onmyjrny » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:16 pm

:( :( :( What a shame. I appreciate your honesty; I have no plans to see Journey live anymore and it's good to hear absolutely honest reviews. I agree with you on the Perry/Schon chemistry. Whatever the reason, it worked when they were together. I absolutely love Neal's work on things like Dream After Dream and some of his solo work. Why he feels that all the shredding is somehow better now than the soulful playing he did at one time, I am not sure.

I think Arnel was hired as much for his willingness to concede the limelight to Neal as his vocal abilities. After all these years, I don't understand why Neal doesn't "get" what works in the music business...first with Eclipse and now with the tour. I guess as long as he is making money with his cash cow, he isn't going to worry about doing what the audience wants. But I wish someone would hand Neal your honest assessment so maybe he would get a clue.
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:43 pm

I can't remember..was Neal doing all this shredding before Salahi came along and on stage?
Or is he doing it to try to impress someone? :roll:
Perry's good natured bonhomie & the world’s most charmin smile,knocked fans off their feet. Sportin a black tux,gigs came alive as he swished around the stage thrillin audiences w/ charisma that instantly burnt the oxygen right out of the venue.TR.com
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Re: Concord concert - a critical appraisal.

Postby majik » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:49 pm

Arianddu wrote:WARNING! This is long. If I stop writing in paragraphs and start insisting that I have the moral high ground and the right to criticise everyone else, shoot me immediately.

I don't know what's going on with the band, but this isn't a band of brothers any more, not by a long shot. I've always held that Perry and Schon together were better than they were apart, and seeing this performance has made me reconsider why. Neal is a great player, but he needs something to play against, something or someone that will both fight him for the spotlight and surrender it to him at the right time. Perry did that, and did it well. Arnel is a great singer, but he isn't able to stand up to Neal musically (and I'd guess personally either, for all kinds of reasons.) Jon, Ross and Deen are good musicians, and it was great to see them, but there didn't seem to be that aura around them that said they were having fun, having the time of their lives. They were working musicians doing a job, not a bunch of guys having fun on the stage doing what they love, and that does sadden me. It also tells me that it may well be time for Journey to hang up their laurels, leave it for a bit until they get their mojo back, and then do one last farewell tour in two or three years.

So, to sum up:
Despite everything, I had a hell of a lot of fun.
Neal needs to seriously tone it down, stop behaving like a talented kid at a grown up party and let go, and he really needs to get his melodic mojo back.
Arnel is not Steve Perry, and I don't think he's trying to be, but he's a good singer, and given half a chance I think would make a decent front man. I'd definitely pay to see him with his own band.
Fried chicken and onion rings do not belong in a rock concert.
Did I mention I had fun? No, really, despite everything, I had fun!


A very honest review that hits the mark in a number of key areas imho, thanks.
There is more to being a good lead singer/front man than a good voice. Its obvious now why Schon chose to go the Arnel direction, its his lack of experience in the big league makes him an easy pushover.

What happens when the destination is reached......... the Journey is over. It seems they've had their day, very sad indeed. :cry:
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Re: Concord concert - a critical appraisal.

Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:11 am

Arianddu wrote:Don't know if it's an Aussie vs American thing, or just this gig, or what. As the set went on, I really noticed dips in energy with every song, and I'm sorry to say it, because I love the guy's playing, but Neal Schon is the problem.

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Nope, not an Aussie vs American thing, trust me. You answered your own question. The band blows right now. Horrendous tour.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:13 am

Ari, absolutely outstanding review and we share virtually all of the same concerns (especially the atrociously agonizing way that they stretch out the ends of songs). However, you and Majik are incorrect about one thing. This whole "Neal needs someone to play against" and "Arnel is a pushover" stuff is shit, and I'll tell you why. This just started. Throughout the approximately 600 shows that Augeri played with the band, this never happened. Same with the 2008 & 2009 Revelation legs. Now, for whatever reasons, after about 750 post-Perry concerts, he's decided that he's a porn star who's job is to jack off his guitar while he, simultaneously, butt fucks the fans. And I just don't get it. :?
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Re: Concord concert - a critical appraisal.

Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:15 am

Arianddu wrote:Don't know if it's an Aussie vs American thing, or just this gig, or what. As the set went on, I really noticed dips in energy with every song, and I'm sorry to say it, because I love the guy's playing, but Neal Schon is the problem.

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Nope, not an Aussie vs American thing, trust me. You answered your own question. The band blows right now. Horrendous tour.
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Postby brywool » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:28 am

ugh...
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Postby majik » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:40 am

Saint John wrote:Ari, absolutely outstanding review and we share virtually all of the same concerns (especially the atrociously agonizing way that they stretch out the ends of songs). However, you and Majik are incorrect about one thing. This whole "Neal needs someone to play against" and "Arnel is a pushover" stuff is shit, and I'll tell you why. This just started. Throughout the approximately 600 shows that Augeri played with the band, this never happened. Same with the 2008 & 2009 Revelation legs. Now, for whatever reasons, after about 750 post-Perry concerts, he's decided that he's a porn star who's job is to jack off his guitar while he, simultaneously, butt fucks the fans. And I just don't get it. :?



Well there it is he's a porn star. I stand corrected then, having said that, a great guitarist will compliment the lead vocalist so that you are in anticipation for his riffs and hot soloing, not the other way round wishing he would back off. Neal has lost the plot, tone is not there anymore, feel is not there and over indulgence with that Fernandes sustainer or something similar. Just my opinion on what I'm hearing these days. :)
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Postby marco17 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:32 am

Saint John wrote:Ari, absolutely outstanding review and we share virtually all of the same concerns (especially the atrociously agonizing way that they stretch out the ends of songs). However, you and Majik are incorrect about one thing. This whole "Neal needs someone to play against" and "Arnel is a pushover" stuff is shit, and I'll tell you why. This just started. Throughout the approximately 600 shows that Augeri played with the band, this never happened. Same with the 2008 & 2009 Revelation legs. Now, for whatever reasons, after about 750 post-Perry concerts, he's decided that he's a porn star who's job is to jack off his guitar while he, simultaneously, butt fucks the fans. And I just don't get it. :?


Totally get your point Dan, but I think he needs someone to keep him in line. I think it isn't necessarily playing off the lead singer with Neal, it was/is probably Cain who kept him in line so to speak, but as many have surmised, Cain may not care enough anymore to deal with being Neal's babysitter anymore.

Certainly, no post-Perry singer was going to have the ability to stand up to Neal, not Augeri, not Soto, and certainly not Arnel who probably has the least balls of them all to stand up to him
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Postby Jana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:46 am

Saint John wrote:Ari, absolutely outstanding review and we share virtually all of the same concerns (especially the atrociously agonizing way that they stretch out the ends of songs). However, you and Majik are incorrect about one thing. This whole "Neal needs someone to play against" and "Arnel is a pushover" stuff is shit, and I'll tell you why. This just started. Throughout the approximately 600 shows that Augeri played with the band, this never happened. Same with the 2008 & 2009 Revelation legs. Now, for whatever reasons, after about 750 post-Perry concerts, he's decided that he's a porn star who's job is to jack off his guitar while he, simultaneously, butt fucks the fans. And I just don't get it. :?


I agree with this post. It's only this tour, not the last two. And Neal's solos were a perfect fit and added to the energy of the show, not slowed it down. When you watch the Manila DVD Neal was a pleasure to watch play and listen to, but it was the perfect balance. When he added the solo part to What I Need it was melodic playing and actually enhanced the live performance.
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Postby brywool » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:51 am

weird to see even the HardCores kind of not happy with the way things're goin'
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Postby JRNYMAN » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:53 am

First and foremost, I have to say Bravo for your outstanding, well written review of the show. Bra-Vo! It's precisely that kind of review that needs to find its way in front of the band members often along the tour path to keep them in check and in-touch with the very individuals for whom they're performing - sort of a progress report if you will, which provides accurate and honest feedback to help keep them aligned with what they are and are not doing or providing for those buying the tickets. Sadly, that scenario has never and will never come to bear with this band for many reasons. However, it's reviews like yours that offer a closer and perhaps more honest view of just how disappointing the Journey Show experience is becoming and that breaks my heart - it truly does.

The lack of camaraderie you noted was present at my show here in Phoenix a few months ago and was something I noticed instantly. One of the things I mentioned often in the reviews I wrote during the Revelation tour, was the presence of something that had been missing from the band for a long time when performing live: fun. Watch any of the vids from any venue on any night during that tour and you'll see the aura and new-found (or rediscovered, perhaps) excitement amongst the members throughout each performance - most notably was the smiles and acknowledgement from Neal. And that excitement and energy was present from the start to the end of the tour - I know this because I saw them 4 times that tour, with all those shows being fairly evenly spread out throughout the tour. It's that very energy and synergy that, to me, can make or break a performance - your comments about Night Ranger's stage presence for example was impressive enough to gain a fan in you and that says a lot.

I'm not sure why Neal has decided to make this particular tour the Neal & Co. version of Journey but he clearly has and it's upsetting to most, if not all of us veteran fans who are fans of the band and all its members and not just fans of the hits. The biggest disappointment for me at my show here in July was the absence of Deen's songs. Deen's versions of the songs that have become "his" over the years have become hallmark for a couple of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the songs he sings he sings very, very well and is always a crowd pleaser. Add to that the fact that hushing him completely also deprives the fans of hearing some of the epic classics performed live since they aren't sung by Arnel. Giving Deen that time in the spotlight also helps to rest Arnel's voice obviously, but it also gives the rest of the band a chance to be recognized and appreciated for their efforts which clearly has been done away with. Neal's need to be in your face - all the time lately is certainly not helping to do anything positive for the band's reception by their fans. Yes, yes Neal.... you are indeed one of the most underrated rock guitarists to emerge from the 70's and everyone who knows you or knows of you and your abilities agrees. But to feel the need to remind everyone just how great you are is doing nothing good for the quality of performance being delivered by Journey.

I have to agree with you about the food situation at live concerts. It's one thing to buy a pack of lawn tickets and have a picnic prior to the show but to purposely wait until getting to the venue to eat dinner is absurd if for no other reason, the prices! Hot Dogs, Popcorn and Fairy Floss (LMAO! Loved that one and had never heard it called that before!) are one thing but Chicken, Pizza, Fish & Chips.... C'mon people!

Loved reading about your interaction with Arnel! He's such a sweet and humble guy and his appreciation for you and your story was nothing if not genuine. And you're right.... 5'3" tall is one thing but 5'3" tall and 125 lbs. is a completely different kind of little - Ask Ian if at any point during the M&G he had an unexplainable urge to put Arnel in his pocket. :lol: :lol:

Although I'm disappointed for you considering how much better the show could have been for you, I'm so glad you ended up having a good time - maybe not a great time, but a good time nonetheless.

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Postby JRNYMAN » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:58 am

Saint John wrote:Ari, absolutely outstanding review and we share virtually all of the same concerns (especially the atrociously agonizing way that they stretch out the ends of songs). However, you and Majik are incorrect about one thing. This whole "Neal needs someone to play against" and "Arnel is a pushover" stuff is shit, and I'll tell you why. This just started. Throughout the approximately 600 shows that Augeri played with the band, this never happened. Same with the 2008 & 2009 Revelation legs. Now, for whatever reasons, after about 750 post-Perry concerts, he's decided that he's a porn star who's job is to jack off his guitar while he, simultaneously, butt fucks the fans. And I just don't get it. :?


Best line I've ever read in a show review - ever! :lol: :lol: Nicely put, Dan. 8) :lol:
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Postby xflajrnylvr » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:58 am

Great review and very on point with alot of your items. I wont be paying for anymore Journey shows I will enjoy the best of the boots icurrently have
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Postby brywool » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:05 am

hit the nail on the head Steve. In 2009, the band (well, maybe not Jon- wink) looked like they were having a blast on stage, which was refreshing to see after the tense interaction of the later Augeri shows. I was right up front in Seattle (thanks again brother Dan!) and you could see the band lit up on stage. Sounds like now that it may not be that way, which IS a shame for usre.

You'd think that with having two such great opening bands, that Journey would take the challenge and really bring it. Night Ranger has always been a fun band to watch, and that also translated into the Damn Yankees camp too. DY's were so much fun (there's a band that needs to come back). I do wish that Jack wouldn't step all over the lyrics so much with the "you know what I'm talkin' abouts" and stuff, but it's hard to not love that band. They're just great performers and players.

Hopefully, the band will see these comments from fans that've supported them all along the way and realize that they're doing the wrong thing.
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Postby Jana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:07 am

brywool wrote:weird to see even the HardCores kind of not happy with the way things're goin'


There's a few great reviews on here except about sound and setlist, not about Neal. Don't worry, your expectations are now lowered, so you will probably be pleasantly surprised. LOL

Some are loading on Neal about the album on here. I really enjoy the album so was psyched about this tour. Now one song. Re his overplaying this tour, maybe he read all the great posts on here last tour about his great playing, loving the new solos to old songs and took it too far and went off on a tangent this year. He was amazing on the Manila DVD and Augeri DVD.
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Postby JRNYMAN » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:09 am

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brywool wrote:weird to see even the HardCores kind of not happy with the way things're goin'


There's a few great reviews on here except about sound and setlist, not about Neal. Don't worry, your expectations are now lowered, so you will probably be pleasantly surprised. LOL

Some are loading on Neal about the album on here. I really enjoy the album so was psyched about this tour. Now one song. Re his overplaying this tour, maybe he read all the great posts on here last tour about his great playing, loving the new solos to old songs and took it too far and went off on a tangent this year. He was amazing on the Manila DVD and Augeri DVD.


Well, that's certainly the "give him the benefit of the doubt" approach. Hmm... hadn't considered that angle. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Jana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:20 am

I also miss the fact not even one Deen song.
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Postby musicfan17 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:25 am

I totally agree with Ari's post here, while hers is more detailed, her overall experience was similar to my GF and I. I kept mine shorter mostly because I was kinda' pissed at Neal for screwin' up my evening out. If this is what Journey is going be like live, maybe it is time for them to hang it up. Sigh...

One of my favorite lines in her post was "This is MELODIC ROCK", a melodic, controlled Neal that plays with restraint is one of the best. Honestly, Neal reminds me of Yngwie lately! Yngwie often times cannot restrain himself live (and often times in the studio!). If you read this Neal, "Quit trying to be a guitar shredding god and get back your feel and TONE!
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Postby perryswoman » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:28 am

Jana wrote:
brywool wrote:weird to see even the HardCores kind of not happy with the way things're goin'


There's a few great reviews on here except about sound and setlist, not about Neal. Don't worry, your expectations are now lowered, so you will probably be pleasantly surprised. LOL

Some are loading on Neal about the album on here. I really enjoy the album so was psyched about this tour. Now one song. Re his overplaying this tour, maybe he read all the great posts on here last tour about his great playing, loving the new solos to old songs and took it too far and went off on a tangent this year. He was amazing on the Manila DVD and Augeri DVD.


Yes he was and I also commented on the botox awhile back. I always thought he was a pretty decent looking guy but he looks almost dead now. Man I hope something or someone turns this band around or they just go ahead and retire. :(
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Postby onmyjrny » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:28 am

Jana wrote:I also miss the fact not even one Deen song.


Yea, they are doing some things this year that just make you go "huh?"

I mean, one possible explanation for Neal's long solos are to give Arnel a break, but if that's the case, why just not let Deen sing a couple?
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Postby Rick » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:29 am

Great review, Ari. It's sad to hear they're not in synch and the show doesn't flow well.

I honestly think Neal is just trying to give Arnel rest. It seems to be working also, with his voice doing much better. But what else can they do to give him that break? They could go up to the mic and talk for 5 minutes, like Kevin Cronin. Oh, hell no! :lol: I know they're not playing much Eclipse music, but it is billed as the Eclipse tour, which is a guitar driven album. Maybe that's why he's doing it also. He could be trying to pimp his new solo CD's as well. Whatever it is, it's not making for much of a good show.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:41 am

Neal is great when he stays within the context of Journey. Neal's solo time, as has been alluded to, must be kept to a minimum. He seems to exude both passion and emotion when his energy is pent up. However, when allowed to wank freely, the shows lose their cohesiveness and all forward momentum is lost. The shows are very roller coaster-like, with highs and lows, but almost zero consistency. The only consistent element is that his guitar orgies are un-fucking-wanted.
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Postby brywool » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:43 am

It IS nice to see that Arnel's not getting the blame for once here.
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Postby Jana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:44 am

Rick wrote:Great review, Ari. It's sad to hear they're not in synch and the show doesn't flow well.

I honestly think Neal is just trying to give Arnel rest. It seems to be working also, with his voice doing much better. But what else can they do to give him that break? They could go up to the mic and talk for 5 minutes, like Kevin Cronin. Oh, hell no! :lol: I know they're not playing much Eclipse music, but it is billed as the Eclipse tour, which is a guitar driven album. Maybe that's why he's doing it also. He could be trying to pimp his new solo CD's as well. Whatever it is, it's not making for much of a good show.


True. Maybe he is trying to give him a break. But in that case, why not throw in Deen for a song.
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Postby Jana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:45 am

brywool wrote:It IS nice to see that Arnel's not getting the blame for once here.


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Postby Brigadier » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:50 am

Great review. Sad state of affairs in Journeyland tho. Although, I was listening to a music mix this AM, and honestly thought to myself - "Who needs Journey anymore? We have W.E.T., Work Of Art, Toby Hitchcock. It seems they have picked up the ball and are carrying it now. And doing a helluva job at it, too."
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Postby Rick » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:14 am

Jana wrote:
Rick wrote:Great review, Ari. It's sad to hear they're not in synch and the show doesn't flow well.

I honestly think Neal is just trying to give Arnel rest. It seems to be working also, with his voice doing much better. But what else can they do to give him that break? They could go up to the mic and talk for 5 minutes, like Kevin Cronin. Oh, hell no! :lol: I know they're not playing much Eclipse music, but it is billed as the Eclipse tour, which is a guitar driven album. Maybe that's why he's doing it also. He could be trying to pimp his new solo CD's as well. Whatever it is, it's not making for much of a good show.


True. Maybe he is trying to give him a break. But in that case, why not throw in Deen for a song.


Someone posted, maybe Andrew, that management said Deen will not be doing any lead vocals this tour. Said it confused the fans. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:17 am

Not to play devil's advocate here but, does anyone know how the band decides on a set-list?
When the tour started, Neal & Jon both seemed to be stoked about Eclipse, especially Neal since
he basically got to record "the album he's always wanted to", and they were highlighting tracks from it.
it appeared that, while most think Neal is in control of things, Jon & company were onboard.

Now, however, the set-list has reverted back to the same, tired, boring songs that
have been played over, and over, and over again since they reformed back in '98.
Jon has made a lot of comments in past interviews about "wanting to please the fans";
could this be a sign that Jon has somehow wrestled some control back?
And if so, could Neal's performances lately be a sign of his total boredom, lack of interest,
and a kinda subtle "Fuck You" to Jon? Like, "Okay, I'll give in and keep playing the old stuff
but I am going to do it on MY terms."


I've seen Youtube clips and the band looks disinterested and lacking any "connection' or "chemistry".
And it really doesn't help that Neal has caused so many distractions and embarassing press with
his latest conquest... I think the train is fixing to totally derail by tour's end, and this could wind
up being a farawell tour.
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