Augeri years...

[Gideon]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

[Red13JoePa]

The reality is that people who don't visit boards like MelodicRock have no idea who Steve Augeri is.

As with perry.

"Journey" is what is known, be it DSB or OS.

LOL. Riiiggghhht. That's why so many millions of "Journey" fans thought Oh Sherrie was another dirty dozen hit Journey song.

My point exactly Dean. To sell a solo record it had to sound like Journey and as you admit here most thought it WAS Journey.

[Enigma869]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

I don't recall anyone comparing Perry or his fame to any of the individuals that you cited. That said, that womanizing, douche, midget Schon would be playing in the subway station if Perry wasn't forced into his band

[Navarro]

The reality is that people who don't visit boards like MelodicRock have no idea who Steve Augeri is.

As with perry.

"Journey" is what is known, be it DSB or OS.

LOL. Riiiggghhht. That's why so many millions of "Journey" fans thought Oh Sherrie was another dirty dozen hit Journey song. Get real Perry haters. You stupid fucks and your empty arguments are hilarious to read if not downright embarrassing.

As to the answer to the OP's qurestion? Augeri is a fucking embarrassment and a goddamned fraud, period, and that can NEVER ever be disputed. Game over.

Thanks for your response. Negative are as welcome as positive. Not to dispute something that is indisputable, but do you feel Augeri's first several tours with Journey were an embarassment or fraudulant? Was Arrival an embarassment? There are plenty of boots of Augeri sing the classics reasonable well some very well. There are also boots of Augeri singing Arrival tunes well. Does one tour of "lipping" take away all of this? Augeri's good with Journey outweights his bad.

[artist4perry]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

This is truly one of the funniest thing I have ever read. Really Giddy if you cannot see Perry's talent your sad. If you had seen this man perform in his day, you would realize how ridiculous this sounds.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Listened to 'Arrival' on a long drive yesterday...forgot how solid it is. Easily their best work since "Frontiers". As for the Augeri-era in summary, it was a lost oppotunity. I can't really blame Neal...when SA's voice started to go down, he no longer wanted to invest creatively. "Revelation" or "Eclipse" should've been the sophmore effort to "Arrival", not the half-assed throwaway, "Generations."

[Navarro]

Listened to 'Arrival' on a long drive yesterday...forgot how solid it is. Easily their best work since "Frontiers". As for the Augeri-era in summary, it was a lost oppotunity. I can't really blame Neal...when SA's voice started to go down, he no longer wanted to invest creatively. "Revelation" or "Eclipse" should've been the sophmore effort to "Arrival", not the half-assed throwaway, "Generations."

Well, in music (my background isn't rock music as a musician), it is real simple. If you can't play your part, you're gone. If SA couldn't sing in 2004, Neal and Jon should have replaced him. You owe that to your audience. I never bought Red 13 or Generations, but have listened to most of it on youtube. Around that time, 2003-04, I lost interest and only listened to Perry era stuff, until Revelation which brought me back to the new stuff again. I do like several songs during that time like NTL, WAFTE, FITH, APIYH. After listening to Red13 again, I like it more now than at the time.

[george_g]

I think the question of acknowledging Augeri or not depends heavily on age. From the die hard 80s fans a very little amount of people would seriously evaluate Arrival and post records , maybe they would entirely loose interest to the band through the years, specially after the short living of TBF era.

But for newer fans and specially here in Europe Journey started after TBF and that record was so strong that created a huge interest in the newer generation of AOR fans. So when Arrival came many people that wanted to hear new music from the classic bands (yes there are such fans!) were delighted with the quality of that record. Personally i have linked Arrival with a specific period in my life , i liked it very much and also praised Augeri for his own talent as well as for helping the band continue perform on stage and create music, but of course i may not be the most 'fair' judge.

In US, this band has been almost a part of the modern pop culture so it did not really mattered who sings as long as he does a fair good job and he can give them pleasure in a sing along concert.

I think Augeri did well in his time if you consider that in late 90s the band was still with Sony, freshly without Perry so the pressure to create equivalent success was huge. Probably Schon/Cain and journey management consider him unsuccessful with those kind o standards. I think initially they were hoping to keep the band in 80s/TBF level of success (i.e. by introducing Augeri in Armangeddon high budget-world-market project).

Pineda has a lot easier mission these days...

[Navarro]

I think the question of acknowledging Augeri or not depends heavily on age. From the die hard 80s fans a very little amount of people would seriously evaluate Arrival and post records , maybe they would entirely loose interest to the band through the years, specially after the short living of TBF era.

But for newer fans and specially here in Europe Journey started after TBF and that record was so strong that created a huge interest in the newer generation of AOR fans. So when Arrival came many people that wanted to hear new music from the classic bands (yes there are such fans!) were delighted with the quality of that record. Personally i have linked Arrival with a specific period in my life , i liked it very much and also praised Augeri for his own talent as well as for helping the band continue perform on stage and create music, but of course i may not be the most 'fair' judge.

In US, this band has been almost a part of the modern pop culture so it did not really mattered who sings as long as he does a fair good job and he can give them pleasure in a sing along concert.

I think Augeri did well in his time if you consider that in late 90s the band was still with Sony, freshly without Perry so the pressure to create equivalent success was huge. Probably Schon/Cain and journey management consider him unsuccessful with those kind o standards. I think initially they were hoping to keep the band in 80s/TBF level of success (i.e. by introducing Augeri in Armangeddon high budget-world-market project).

Pineda has a lot easier mission these days...

Pretty fair evaluation, George. Thanks.

[Eric]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

If he coulda or woulda continued after '83 he would be mentioned with those folks.

[marco17]

I think Augeri did well in his time if you consider that in late 90s the band was still with Sony, freshly without Perry so the pressure to create equivalent success was huge. Probably Schon/Cain and journey management consider him unsuccessful with those kind o standards. I think initially they were hoping to keep the band in 80s/TBF level of success (i.e. by introducing Augeri in Armangeddon high budget-world-market project). Pineda has a lot easier mission these days...

I agree, but I think because it is two different eras in the music business you have to look at a bit different. Were the Augeri era releases, regardless to whether the music on the albums was good, considered successful. Mildly at best. But success in the late 90's and 2000's was determined more by live shows and the revenue generated there verses album sales. With Augeri, they certainly had to work because he wasn't Perry, but they were successful in that right. One would have to argue that the Platinum status of Revelation has little to do with Arnel being any better vocally than Augeri, but that the band was on everyone's mind with DSB being used in everything. From a timing perspective with introducing Arnel, his back story, and the publicity they were getting, how could that release have flopped? I think Eclipse, like it or not, goes back to the Augeri era formula of lack of decent PR, equals no sales. But, they just concluded a very successful tour.

Most of us who have been around a while know that Deano hates Augeri because of the tapegate incident, and I am sure there are many who feel that way. I would say that the fraud comment he makes is a bit harsh because he shoots most of the blame his way, but I would place blame on the entire band/management machine during that period, because it's obvious that they all knew what was going on. My assumption is that they were hoping or assuming that he'd regain his health and it would be a temporary solution. But, neither happened, and knowing that live shows is where the money is at, I am sure the powers that be were fine continuing to do it for the $$$$ until it was evident they no longer could. Enter JSS.....

[Yoda]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

No one ever compared him to those artists.

[onmyjrny]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

If he coulda or woulda continued after '83 he would be mentioned with those folks.

I agree with this. Perry's time in the limelight was relatively short compared to most of those artists. Having lived though the time when the Dirty Dozen were on the charts, I'd have to say Perry WAS a household name in that time period. Anyone Gideon's age who wasn't around during that time wouldn't have seen this. But his fame (outside of certain circles) diminished once he retired. And I think he probably prefers it that way.

[Yoda]

I think the question of acknowledging Augeri or not depends heavily on age. From the die hard 80s fans a very little amount of people would seriously evaluate Arrival and post records , maybe they would entirely loose interest to the band through the years, specially after the short living of TBF era.

But for newer fans and specially here in Europe Journey started after TBF and that record was so strong that created a huge interest in the newer generation of AOR fans. So when Arrival came many people that wanted to hear new music from the classic bands (yes there are such fans!) were delighted with the quality of that record. Personally i have linked Arrival with a specific period in my life , i liked it very much and also praised Augeri for his own talent as well as for helping the band continue perform on stage and create music, but of course i may not be the most 'fair' judge.

In US, this band has been almost a part of the modern pop culture so it did not really mattered who sings as long as he does a fair good job and he can give them pleasure in a sing along concert.

I think Augeri did well in his time if you consider that in late 90s the band was still with Sony, freshly without Perry so the pressure to create equivalent success was huge. Probably Schon/Cain and journey management consider him unsuccessful with those kind o standards. I think initially they were hoping to keep the band in 80s/TBF level of success (i.e. by introducing Augeri in Armangeddon high budget-world-market project).

Pineda has a lot easier mission these days...

I think maybe TBF had given Journey a false sense of security around that time. It was amazing to actually hear an 80's icon band such as Journey being played on top 40 radio in regular rotation with all the "nu rock" or alternative rock being THE stuff to play around the time of the mid-90's. Makes me wonder how huge that album could have been if Perry had stayed around long enough to have toured and helped to promote the band. It's all hindsight now, but I'm always thinking if Perry and company could have gotten Journey back enough in the limelight to where EVERYBODY at that time knew who Journey was - then maybe the transition to Augeri would have met with a little more commercial success? Who knows though. May not have made a difference at all. But, I understand what you're saying George. It's kind of like how it was when Bad Company went with Brian Howe - to me that's what I grew up hearing more was a Brian Howe led Bad Company - not the classic line up. But years later, I learned to appreciate the classic line up just as much, if not more.

[roycap]

Journey is succesful because of the music. Perry lifted them to their greatest success and popularity. However, all the replacement singers have kept the music alive and relevant for all of us. Do we all wish for a Perry reunion? Hell Yes! However, I am glad the band still tours and produces some quality music. Augeri, Soto and Pineda, while not taking the band to new heights - have certainly carried on the legacy. Kudos to them!

[Rockindeano]

Thanks for your response. Negative are as welcome as positive. Not to dispute something that is indisputable, but do you feel Augeri's first several tours with Journey were an embarassment or fraudulant?

No. Quite respectable IMHO.

Was Arrival an embarassment?

No. Decent record...decent, still not as good as anything Perry recorded though. Perry could squirt liquid messy green shit salad shots into an echoing Shell gas station bathroom and sound better than anything Augeri sang.

There are plenty of boots of Augeri sing the classics reasonable well some very well.

So? gee, thanks for your doing your fucking job.

Does one tour of "lipping" take away all of this? Augeri's good with Journey outweights his bad.

Bullshit. Hey, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and Barroid Bonds all shot up the juice and went yard every 4 at bats. But that was just a year or so. Shouldn't they all still get into the hall of fame? Um, Fuck no! Listen up you cowardly sons of bitches. I don't give a shit if Augeri is nicer than a toothless hampster who gives free and frequent blow jobs to homeless AIDS men hourly on the corner of Embarcadero and Lombard, what SA did was FUCKING DESPICABLE!! Seriously, OJ had a ONE bad night. You really think due to his lack of temper contol on a single night should have landed him in the hole for life, just because Orenthal somehow turned Ron and Nicole into Pez dispensers? Nah...ONE bad night? Let him go with a warning, no big deal.

Navarro, you're a piece of shit. Just because this guy is a nice human(I'd be fucking real nice too if I made shit tons of jack miming popular 80's pop songs nightly into a dead mic), does not merit a "get out of fraud status" card anytime soon. The fact he "sang" for you favourite band is the only Goddamned reason you and some other spineless, clueless and deaf people on here give this gerry curled Lipper a pass. What he did was not only to take Neals' and Azoff's cocks up his ass and go along with their demands(I'm sure Cain sat by watching), but what else he did was he took a piss on a once proud and very good band called Journey, but didn't stop there- he also took a shit on an even bigger animal and that is Music itself. It's apprehensible and downright callous and a complete lack of respect....and the guy profitted from it- by faking a craft that he COULD NOT DO. Music is supposed to be a talent. Why do you assholes feel the need to let him off with a warning for having NO talent?

Again, you CANNOT DEFEND THIS. The truth here is against you Wigglers.

PS- Anyone who was involved in the daily battles of tapegate rememner that behemoth bison type "woman" named Penny? Goddamn she was large. If she were step outside on a sunny day, she would surely put the state of Deleware into an complete solar eclipse. She had to iron her pants in the fuckin' driveway. Goddamned Twinkie and Ding Dong eatin bitch. Fuck, I hated her ass.

[Rockindeano]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

This is truly one of the funniest thing I have ever read. Really Giddy if you cannot see Perry's talent your sad. If you had seen this man perform in his day, you would realize how ridiculous this sounds.

Sorry Ginger, you're wrong here. Gideon is dead on here. Perry is not an icon nor a living legend. The folks Gideon stated are in fact legends- well known figures who if you merely say their first names, music fans would know exactly who you are referring to...like, Eddie, Freddie, Elton, Paul, George, John, Ringo, Mick, Bruce, Bono, Madonna, Michael, to name the biggies. Perry is moderately famous at best, and that is fact. Not a slam at all mind you. And remember, Espee has mentioned in various interviews he doesn't necessarily mind not being in the spotlight(AI Judge story), and also in the ROR doc he alludes to it as well.

The sad thing nowadays is, "Arnel" is perhaps on more young fans tips of tongues than "Steve" is. THAT is sad.

[marco17]

Thanks for your response. Negative are as welcome as positive. Not to dispute something that is indisputable, but do you feel Augeri's first several tours with Journey were an embarassment or fraudulant?

No. Quite respectable IMHO.

Was Arrival an embarassment?

No. Decent record...decent, still not as good as anything Perry recorded though. Perry could squirt liquid messy green shit salad shots into an echoing Shell gas station bathroom and sound better than anything Augeri sang.

There are plenty of boots of Augeri sing the classics reasonable well some very well.

So? gee, thanks for your doing your fucking job.

Does one tour of "lipping" take away all of this? Augeri's good with Journey outweights his bad.

Bullshit. Hey, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and Barroid Bonds all shot up the juice and went yard every 4 at bats. But that was just a year or so. Shouldn't they all still get into the hall of fame? Um, Fuck no! Listen up you cowardly sons of bitches. I don't give a shit if Augeri is nicer than a toothless hampster who gives free and frequent blow jobs to homeless AIDS men hourly on the corner of Embarcadero and Lombard, what SA did was FUCKING DESPICABLE!! Seriously, OJ had a ONE bad night. You really think due to his lack of temper contol on a single night should have landed him in the hole for life, just because Orenthal somehow turned Ron and Nicole into Pez dispensers? Nah...ONE bad night? Let him go with a warning, no big deal.

Navarro, you're a piece of shit. Just because this guy is a nice human(I'd be fucking real nice too if I made shit tons of jack miming popular 80's pop songs nightly into a dead mic), does not merit a "get out of fraud status" card anytime soon. The fact he "sang" for you favourite band is the only Goddamned reason you and some other spineless, clueless and deaf people on here give this gerry curled Lipper a pass. What he did was not only to take Neals' and Azoff's cocks up his ass and go along with their demands(I'm sure Cain sat by watching), but what else he did was he took a piss on a once proud and very good band called Journey, but didn't stop there- he also took a shit on an even bigger animal and that is Music itself. It's apprehensible and downright callous and a complete lack of respect....and the guy profitted from it- by faking a craft that he COULD NOT DO. Music is supposed to be a talent. Why do you assholes feel the need to let him off with a warning for having NO talent?

Again, you CANNOT DEFEND THIS. The truth here is against you Wigglers.

PS- Anyone who was involved in the daily battles of tapegate rememner that behemoth bison type "woman" named Penny? Goddamn she was large. If she were step outside on a sunny day, she would surely put the state of Deleware into an complete solar eclipse. She had to iron her pants in the fuckin' driveway. Goddamned Twinkie and Ding Dong eatin bitch. Fuck, I hated her ass.

Navarro is new to posting, so may not know all the back stories and who said/did what on the board, so go easy. Not everyone with an opposing opinion needs the Deano MR Forum lambasting, but it's always good for some entertainment. I think there are a very few who give Augeri a pass on this, even those who liked the guy in the band, I think the masses fault the entire band and management machine that is Journey, because it was obviously a calculated move on all parts, and if anyone says they had no idea it was going on, they are a lying POS. Most just don't beat the guy to a written pulp like Dean does, and it's a very touchy subject with him, and I respect his candidness. That said, i think most people just don't care anymore and have moved on. You can't go back a rewrite history and I think a lot of people have accepted that it happened, the average person doesn't know or care that it did, and continue to go see them live, regardless to the singer. I am sure if Neal and Co. knew that continuously singing in that range would ruin his voice, they likely would have chosen someone who could have done it longer. And, I think they all should have either packed up camp, or made a singer change long before any of this had to take place. I also think that Neal knew, just like Arnel, to pick an unassuming guy who was going to be eternally grateful for the opportunity and would not have the clout to ever stand up to him, because he was "taking his band back" and didn't want a prima-donna singer.

[Gideon]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

This is truly one of the funniest thing I have ever read. Really Giddy if you cannot see Perry's talent your sad. If you had seen this man perform in his day, you would realize how ridiculous this sounds.

Go back and read what I wrote more carefully, please. I referred to fame only, not talent. One does not necessarily beget the other and rarely are the two proportional.

[Navarro]

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quote="Rockindeano"]

Thanks for your response. Negative are as welcome as positive. Not to dispute something that is indisputable, but do you feel Augeri's first several tours with Journey were an embarassment or fraudulant?

No. Quite respectable IMHO.

Was Arrival an embarassment?

No. Decent record...decent, still not as good as anything Perry recorded though. Perry could squirt liquid messy green shit salad shots into an echoing Shell gas station bathroom and sound better than anything Augeri sang.

There are plenty of boots of Augeri sing the classics reasonable well some very well.

So? gee, thanks for your doing your fucking job.

Thanks for answering these questions.

Does one tour of "lipping" take away all of this? Augeri's good with Journey outweights his bad.

Bullshit. Hey, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and Barroid Bonds all shot up the juice and went yard every 4 at bats. But that was just a year or so. Shouldn't they all still get into the hall of fame? Um, Fuck no! Listen up you cowardly sons of bitches. I don't give a shit if Augeri is nicer than a toothless hampster who gives free and frequent blow jobs to homeless AIDS men hourly on the corner of Embarcadero and Lombard, what SA did was FUCKING DESPICABLE!! Seriously, OJ had a ONE bad night. You really think due to his lack of temper contol on a single night should have landed him in the hole for life, just because Orenthal somehow turned Ron and Nicole into Pez dispensers? Nah...ONE bad night? Let him go with a warning, no big deal.

Navarro, you're a piece of shit. Just because this guy is a nice human(I'd be fucking real nice too if I made shit tons of jack miming popular 80's pop songs nightly into a dead mic), does not merit a "get out of fraud status" card anytime soon. The fact he "sang" for you favourite band is the only Goddamned reason you and some other spineless, clueless and deaf people on here give this gerry curled Lipper a pass. What he did was not only to take Neals' and Azoff's cocks up his ass and go along with their demands(I'm sure Cain sat by watching), but what else he did was he took a piss on a once proud and very good band called Journey, but didn't stop there- he also took a shit on an even bigger animal and that is Music itself. It's apprehensible and downright callous and a complete lack of respect....and the guy profitted from it- by faking a craft that he COULD NOT DO. Music is supposed to be a talent. Why do you assholes feel the need to let him off with a warning for having NO talent?

Again, you CANNOT DEFEND THIS. The truth here is against you Wigglers.

You should get back on your meds. You know nothing about me. People like you on newsgroups and forums make me laugh. Surely you wouldn't act this way in real life. Grow up, man! I don't know and have never met SA. I don't care if he is nice, blah, blah, blah. I'm not giving anyone a pass. In fact, in an earlier post, I said the minute he couldn't sing, they should have canned him. I was trying to look at his time and contribution in this band rationally.

PS- Anyone who was involved in the daily battles of tapegate rememner that behemoth bison type "woman" named Penny? Goddamn she was large. If she were step outside on a sunny day, she would surely put the state of Deleware into an complete solar eclipse. She had to iron her pants in the fuckin' driveway. Goddamned Twinkie and Ding Dong eatin bitch. Fuck, I hated her ass.[/quote

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[george_g]

Thanks for your response. Negative are as welcome as positive. Not to dispute something that is indisputable, but do you feel Augeri's first several tours with Journey were an embarassment or fraudulant?

No. Quite respectable IMHO.

Was Arrival an embarassment?

No. Decent record...decent, still not as good as anything Perry recorded though. Perry could squirt liquid messy green shit salad shots into an echoing Shell gas station bathroom and sound better than anything Augeri sang.

There are plenty of boots of Augeri sing the classics reasonable well some very well.

So? gee, thanks for your doing your fucking job.

Does one tour of "lipping" take away all of this? Augeri's good with Journey outweights his bad.

Bullshit. Hey, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and Barroid Bonds all shot up the juice and went yard every 4 at bats. But that was just a year or so. Shouldn't they all still get into the hall of fame? Um, Fuck no! Listen up you cowardly sons of bitches. I don't give a shit if Augeri is nicer than a toothless hampster who gives free and frequent blow jobs to homeless AIDS men hourly on the corner of Embarcadero and Lombard, what SA did was FUCKING DESPICABLE!! Seriously, OJ had a ONE bad night. You really think due to his lack of temper contol on a single night should have landed him in the hole for life, just because Orenthal somehow turned Ron and Nicole into Pez dispensers? Nah...ONE bad night? Let him go with a warning, no big deal.

Navarro, you're a piece of shit. Just because this guy is a nice human(I'd be fucking real nice too if I made shit tons of jack miming popular 80's pop songs nightly into a dead mic), does not merit a "get out of fraud status" card anytime soon. The fact he "sang" for you favourite band is the only Goddamned reason you and some other spineless, clueless and deaf people on here give this gerry curled Lipper a pass. What he did was not only to take Neals' and Azoff's cocks up his ass and go along with their demands(I'm sure Cain sat by watching), but what else he did was he took a piss on a once proud and very good band called Journey, but didn't stop there- he also took a shit on an even bigger animal and that is Music itself. It's apprehensible and downright callous and a complete lack of respect....and the guy profitted from it- by faking a craft that he COULD NOT DO. Music is supposed to be a talent. Why do you assholes feel the need to let him off with a warning for having NO talent?

Again, you CANNOT DEFEND THIS. The truth here is against you Wigglers.

PS- Anyone who was involved in the daily battles of tapegate rememner that behemoth bison type "woman" named Penny? Goddamn she was large. If she were step outside on a sunny day, she would surely put the state of Deleware into an complete solar eclipse. She had to iron her pants in the fuckin' driveway. Goddamned Twinkie and Ding Dong eatin bitch. Fuck, I hated her ass.

I have to say as much as i like Arrival era , i think nobody can blame Rockindeano for saying what he 's saying for the tapegate story. The selection of words and expressions could be different, or it depends to someone's character. But the essence of the claims cannot be debated. He was not an ordinary fan, he was a person very close, a personal friend to the band, so the frustration and confusion i understand had a lot more density. Besides, when somebody talk ethical, usually he is objectively right or wrong, based on fundamental principles. And those principles should not be 'flexible' depending on who we like or not.

[Yoda]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

This is truly one of the funniest thing I have ever read. Really Giddy if you cannot see Perry's talent your sad. If you had seen this man perform in his day, you would realize how ridiculous this sounds.

Sorry Ginger, you're wrong here. Gideon is dead on here. Perry is not an icon nor a living legend. The folks Gideon stated are in fact legends- well known figures who if you merely say their first names, music fans would know exactly who you are referring to...like, Eddie, Freddie, Elton, Paul, George, John, Ringo, Mick, Bruce, Bono, Madonna, Michael, to name the biggies. Perry is moderately famous at best, and that is fact. Not a slam at all mind you. And remember, Espee has mentioned in various interviews he doesn't necessarily mind not being in the spotlight(AI Judge story), and also in the ROR doc he alludes to it as well.

The sad thing nowadays is, "Arnel" is perhaps on more young fans tips of tongues than "Steve" is. THAT is sad.

I definitely agree with Gideon's assessment as far as measuring the fame of the artists he mentioned to Perry's fame. Perry isn't in the same league. But, I think it was read to assume someone had made those comparisons prior to his posting, which they hadn't. I did make a comparison of Perry to the fame of Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, and Madonna...but I was referring more to the age of the 1980's rather than today. Of course, I'd probably say Madonna has more fame since she was obviously a lot more active in the 90's and early 2000's than Perry. But, the whole point was to say that it's ridiculous to think that Perry has no more fame than Steve Augeri - which was pointed out in this thread.

[george_g]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

This is truly one of the funniest thing I have ever read. Really Giddy if you cannot see Perry's talent your sad. If you had seen this man perform in his day, you would realize how ridiculous this sounds.

Sorry Ginger, you're wrong here. Gideon is dead on here. Perry is not an icon nor a living legend. The folks Gideon stated are in fact legends- well known figures who if you merely say their first names, music fans would know exactly who you are referring to...like, Eddie, Freddie, Elton, Paul, George, John, Ringo, Mick, Bruce, Bono, Madonna, Michael, to name the biggies. Perry is moderately famous at best, and that is fact. Not a slam at all mind you. And remember, Espee has mentioned in various interviews he doesn't necessarily mind not being in the spotlight(AI Judge story), and also in the ROR doc he alludes to it as well.

The sad thing nowadays is, "Arnel" is perhaps on more young fans tips of tongues than "Steve" is. THAT is sad.

I definitely agree with Gideon's assessment as far as measuring the fame of the artists he mentioned to Perry's fame. Perry isn't in the same league. But, I think it was read to assume someone had made those comparisons prior to his posting, which they hadn't. I did make a comparison of Perry to the fame of Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, and Madonna...but I was referring more to the age of the 1980's rather than today. Of course, I'd probably say Madonna has more fame since she was obviously a lot more active in the 90's and early 2000's than Perry. But, the whole point was to say that it's ridiculous to think that Perry has no more fame than Steve Augeri - which was pointed out in this thread.

Perry would have been in the same league if he would have continued even without jrny...i could see him continuing as a solo artist in 90s in a career like michael bolton's for example...he had a far better voice and he would nail any 60s classics...

[Gideon]

Perry is unquestionably more famous than any other individual in Journey, but the idea that he's somehow in the realm of Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, etc. is comical. He's moderately famous at best.

No one ever compared him to those artists.

Not those ones in particular, but a reference to Madonna was made and I'd say she belongs in the same tier with regards to fame.

But, the whole point was to say that it's ridiculous to think that Perry has no more fame than Steve Augeri - which was pointed out in this thread.

Likewise, the whole point of my post was to point out that Perry is infinitely more famous than Augeri {which is the topic originally broached by this thread} and Perry is far less famous than the true heavyweights of popular music {which is what was introduced in this thread}.

[ebake02]

While album sales were just plain horrible, Augeri is the reason Journey is selling out 20,000 seat arenas and amphitheaters today.

[Gideon]

While album sales were just plain horrible, Augeri is the reason Journey is selling out 20,000 seat arenas and amphitheaters today.

I wouldn't go that far.
You really think he made such a pivotal impact?

[ebake02]

While album sales were just plain horrible, Augeri is the reason Journey is selling out 20,000 seat arenas and amphitheaters today.

I wouldn't go that far.
You really think he made such a pivotal impact?

He would've been there 8 years otherwise.

[Enigma869]

Augeri is the reason Journey is selling out 20,000 seat arenas and amphitheaters today.

You are out of your fucking mind if you actually believe this. I'm not sure Augeri's ball washers who want to see him wiggle his ass in his red leather pants are even dopey enough to believe this absurd statement. Put down the crack pipe, dude! I've seen a whole lot of stupid shit on this and Journey's "offical website" over the years. This ranks up with the most moronic statements, EVER!

[Gideon]

While album sales were just plain horrible, Augeri is the reason Journey is selling out 20,000 seat arenas and amphitheaters today.

I wouldn't go that far.
You really think he made such a pivotal impact?

He would've been there 8 years otherwise.

I'd say it was the resurgance of DSB and, to a lesser extent, Arnel's fairytale story plus clever touring packages. Not to say that Augeri didn't satisfy those countless fans, but I don't think he was the primary draw.

[Don]

While album sales were just plain horrible, Augeri is the reason Journey is selling out 20,000 seat arenas and amphitheaters today.

I wouldn't go that far.
You really think he made such a pivotal impact?

He would've been there 8 years otherwise.

I'd say it was the resurgance of DSB and, to a lesser extent, Arnel's fairytale story plus clever touring packages. Not to say that Augeri didn't satisfy those countless fans, but I don't think he was the primary draw.

I think Revelation's sales were helped by Arnel's story but seeing how they are still touring well even with Eclipse flopping, I'm beginning to think that ticket sales are tied more to the dirty dozen than any particular singer at the moment.