2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

[S2M]

Only if Caldwell catch's that T.D pass. New England had many gags that game. I'm just sick and tired of this ref garbage that spews every week. Good teams overcome penalties and and focus on rebounding against those calls that went against them. It's the nature of the game. Replay and the rule changes are already taking over the game of football, sometimes in negative ways (Gruden and Jaws were livid this past Monday Night. Most refs called rules by the book that didn't deserve to be called. It's good to let players play for fucks sake.) Sometimes, whether the refs are right or not, it's good to still have that human element towards the game of football.

Why don't we just throw out the rulebook, letting the officials call whatever the hell they want to call. Are you listening to yourself? 'Refs calling penalties by the book, that didn't NEED to be called.'

What's next, 6 downs for a 1st down? How about 6 downs to get 15 yards....let's take away a down if an opposing player tackles the ball carrier by his head. Offsides? No problemo...just call the right guard for holding cause the offsides player is already halfway to the QB...TWO feet down in the endzone? Fuck that shit. Let's call TDs by the laundry that the players are wearing, or how much money is down on the outcome.....Better yet, let's meld WWE and UFC with the NFL....We have satellites that can read the face of a dime from the flippin' stratosphere, but we can't get 7 part-time losers to get a call right 3 feet in front of them....

[YoungJRNY]

Only if Caldwell catch's that T.D pass. New England had many gags that game. I'm just sick and tired of this ref garbage that spews every week. Good teams overcome penalties and and focus on rebounding against those calls that went against them. It's the nature of the game. Replay and the rule changes are already taking over the game of football, sometimes in negative ways (Gruden and Jaws were livid this past Monday Night. Most refs called rules by the book that didn't deserve to be called. It's good to let players play for fucks sake.) Sometimes, whether the refs are right or not, it's good to still have that human element towards the game of football.

Why don't we just throw out the rulebook, letting the officials call whatever the hell they want to call. Are you listening to yourself? 'Refs calling penalties by the book, that didn't NEED to be called.'

What's next, 6 downs for a 1st down? How about 6 downs to get 15 yards....let's take away a down if an opposing player tackles the ball carrier by his head. Offsides? No problemo...just call the right guard for holding cause the offsides player is already halfway to the QB...TWO feet down in the endzone? Fuck that shit. Let's call TDs by the laundry that the players are wearing, or how much money is down on the outcome.....Better yet, let's meld WWE and UFC with the NFL....We have satellites that can read the face of a dime from the flippin' stratosphere, but we can't get 7 part-time losers to get a call right 3 feet in front of them....

2 feet in the endzone? Offsides? Those are the typical automatic calls that get called 10/10 times. I'm not talking about the automatic false starts, neutral zone infragment's or when a WR gets 1 or 2 feet in bounds. That's all common sense. What I meant was ref's nowadays are scared to absolute death to not call every single little thing that the book initiates but fails to call anything in between the guidelines of those rules of what IS allowed & what's NOT allowed as far as players matchups and what both sides are doing that cross's things out.

We all know the rules and judgment calls are allowed to bend beyond the field of play regarding the situation or if whatever position the player happens to be in, etc. The rules are being destroyed in today's NFL and even though you bitch and moan about "not getting the calls" or "this was called, blahblah" this league has turned into a league to help the refs make certain calls and overstep their own authority under Goodell. Like I said, sometimes, you just got to let the players play.

An example of this is when Antonio Gates and a Chiefs defender going back and forth on a deep ball on MNF,the refs called Gates on offensive pass interference when it was CLEAR the two were scratching back and forth for position. Football 101 on initializing your ground and territory. That needs to be established first before any interference is called. In those situations, just let the players play. That weak call took back a Chargers T.D. Another that was called was when a Chiefs player caught a ball and a Chargers safety performed PERFECT technique into trying to run through the wideout and jar the ball loose. The refs threw the flag and claimed 15 yards on the defense on going after a "defenseless receiver" when in reality, it was textbook for what a defensive back has been taught to do since he was 6 years old so where's the fine line anymore? There is none.

It's ridiculous and Gruden and Jaws were going out of their mind this past Monday Night because of it. LET THE PLAYERS PLAY! There's flags thrown more than EVER in today's NFL and it's all because the refs are covering their own ass when in reality, it's killing the standard of the game and players playing at full speed, something that made the NFL what it is.

In your case, every time you see a fingernail outside of a defensive pass-rusher, you want offensive holding when in reality, there's rules that bend because of guys like Dwight Freeney spinning INTO those holds weekly. It's give or take and the severity of the issue.

[S2M]

2 feet in the endzone? Offsides? Those are the typical autmatic calls that get called 10/10 times. I'm not talking about the automatic false starts, neutral zone infragment's or when a WR gets 1 or 2 feet in bounds. That's all common sense. What I meant was ref's nowadays are scared to absolute death to not call every single little thing that the book initiates but fails to call anything in between the guidelines of those rules of what IS allowed, and what's NOT allowed as far as players matchups and what both sides are doing that cross's things out.

We all know the rules and judgment calls are allowed to bend beyond the field of play regarding the situation or if whatever position the player happens to be in, etc. The rules are being destroyed in today's NFL and even though you bitch and moan about "not getting the calls" or "this was called, blahblah" this league has turned into a league to help the refs make certain calls and overstep their own authority under Goodell. Like I said, sometimes, you just got to let the players play. An example of this is when Antonio Gates and a Chiefs defender going back and forth on a deep ball, the refs called Gates on offensive pass interference when it was CLEAR the two were scratching back and forth for position. Football 101 on going initializing your ground. In those situations, just like the players play. That weak call took back a Chargers T.D. Another that was called was when a Chiefs player caught a ball and a Chargers safety performed PERFECT technique into trying to run through the wideout and jar the ball loose. The refs through the flag and claimed 15 yards on the defense on going after a "defenseless receiver" when in reality, it was textbook for what a defensive back has been taught to do since he was 6 years old. It's ridiculous and Gruden and Jaws were going out of their mind this past Monday Night because of it. LET THE PLAYERS PLAY! There's more flags thrown than EVER in today's NFL.

Oh really? 10/10 times? How about in SB XL? Pitt player jumps offsides(it isn't called), so the offensive player holds him - Hasselbeck completes a pass down to the ONE yard line....refs call holding instead of OFFSIDES. And I'm not talking about lining up in the neutral zone either....I'm talking like TWO STEPS offsides....it is egregious calls like this that make me wonder who is in charge. Or polamalu puching that ball(which is not reviewable). Let's say, for instance that that play determined the outcome of the game....how can you justify that being non-reviewable? Especially if the outcome determined the game, AND it was illegal. You talk about the 'human element' to the game....What happens when the 'human element' makes a call on the field - and replay shows it was wrong, and overturned? I guess the 'human element' can't really be trusted, huh? Explain 'human element' to Galarraga. Joe West fucked him out of a no-hitter....guy took it like a class act, but inside he was like, 'WTF!!!'....a non-reviewable, EGREGIOUS call cost him a no-hitter.

But everything is ok....Travis says, 'Just let them play!'

[YoungJRNY]

2 feet in the endzone? Offsides? Those are the typical autmatic calls that get called 10/10 times. I'm not talking about the automatic false starts, neutral zone infragment's or when a WR gets 1 or 2 feet in bounds. That's all common sense. What I meant was ref's nowadays are scared to absolute death to not call every single little thing that the book initiates but fails to call anything in between the guidelines of those rules of what IS allowed, and what's NOT allowed as far as players matchups and what both sides are doing that cross's things out.

We all know the rules and judgment calls are allowed to bend beyond the field of play regarding the situation or if whatever position the player happens to be in, etc. The rules are being destroyed in today's NFL and even though you bitch and moan about "not getting the calls" or "this was called, blahblah" this league has turned into a league to help the refs make certain calls and overstep their own authority under Goodell. Like I said, sometimes, you just got to let the players play. An example of this is when Antonio Gates and a Chiefs defender going back and forth on a deep ball, the refs called Gates on offensive pass interference when it was CLEAR the two were scratching back and forth for position. Football 101 on going initializing your ground. In those situations, just like the players play. That weak call took back a Chargers T.D. Another that was called was when a Chiefs player caught a ball and a Chargers safety performed PERFECT technique into trying to run through the wideout and jar the ball loose. The refs through the flag and claimed 15 yards on the defense on going after a "defenseless receiver" when in reality, it was textbook for what a defensive back has been taught to do since he was 6 years old. It's ridiculous and Gruden and Jaws were going out of their mind this past Monday Night because of it. LET THE PLAYERS PLAY! There's more flags thrown than EVER in today's NFL.

Oh really? 10/10 times? How about in SB XL? Pitt player jumps offsides(it isn't called), so the offensive player holds him - Hasselbeck completes a pass down to the ONE yard line....refs call holding instead of OFFSIDES. And I'm not talking about lining up in the neutral zone either....I'm talking like TWO STEPS offsides....it is egregious calls like this that make me wonder who is in charge. Or polamalu puching that ball(which is not reviewable). Let's say, for instance that that play determined the outcome of the game....how can you justify that being non-reviewable? Especially if the outcome determined the game, AND it was illegal. You talk about the 'human element' to the game....What happens when the 'human element' makes a call on the field - and replay shows it was wrong, and overturned? I guess the 'human element' can't really be trusted, huh? Explain 'human element' to Galarraga. Joe West fucked him out of a no-hitter....guy took it like a class act, but inside he was like, 'WTF!!!'....a non-reviewable, EGREGIOUS call cost him a no-hitter.

But everything is ok....Travis says, 'Just let them play!'

Do you seriously not understand how fast and bing bam boom these athletes operate at? Have you ever went to a game? Have you ever ref'd? Have you ever played a sport like football? The speed of this game is incredible. You're talking a blink of an eye. A flicker of light. It's very easy to miss calls here and there judging by how FAST things work on the field of play and if you ask me, these ref's deserve more credit for what they do because of it. That's not to say everything is perfect. It's not but the NFL went above and beyond to change the rules of the integrity of the game (baseball included) and add in every last spec of technology known to man to balance that power out (what more do you want?) This is what makes the world of sports exciting.

You just can't see everything and you sure as hell can't slow the football game or baseball game down for minutes at a time at a consistent basis in front of a national audience or crowd because even though technology is there, the integrity of the game is still in tact for what it is and that's why Bud Selig didn't flinch into reversing that call because quite frankly, the game has been played for centuries and that was the call on the field and it STOOD. You move on. That's why they STILL have refs or umpires. To make the call they see fit at that milisecond and go through with it. That's the way it's ALWAYS been. Unfortunately for you, this isn't a perfect world and judging by how long you've been around and know how sports work, I'm shocked that you just don't GET IT. If these simple things and natural things still disgust you into not enjoying the game, just stop watching because it won't change. It's being tweaked, but it won't change, PERIOD.

[S2M]

Travis....when I watch FoxTrac show a ball 6 inches off the plate called a STRIKE. Or a guy jump the gun and already be TWO steps in the backfield before the snap of the ball...I'm automatically cynical.

You keep avoiding that offsides non-call....I understand, it didn't hurt YOUR team. It helped you win a SB. So we have selective officiating. Selective PI, too...limiting coaches to cetain number of challenges - then later in the game they can't challenge an OBVIOUS blown call - is ludicrous. All I ask is to get the call correct the FIRST time.

I can deal with a team biting the big one, and sucking for 60 minutes.....I can't deal with inefficient officiating.

[YoungJRNY]

Travis....when I watch FoxTrac show a ball 6 inches off the plate called a STRIKE. Or a guy jump the gun and already be TWO steps in the backfield before the snap of the ball...I'm automatically cynical.

You keep avoiding that offsides non-call....I understand, it didn't hurt YOUR team. It helped you win a SB. So we have selective officiating. Selective PI, too...limiting coaches to cetain number of challenges - then later in the game they can't challenge an OBVIOUS blown call - is ludicrous. All I ask is to get the call correct the FIRST time.

I can deal with a team biting the big one, and sucking for 60 minutes.....I can't deal with inefficient officiating.

Lmao, I honestly don't know what you want me to say. Show me this Goddamn play and I'll dissect something that happened 6 years ago (to my understanding, if I re-call, Clark Haggans was called on a hold but you say he was offsides.) Whatver, show me the play so you can get off my nuts because somehow you think I'm a football God and me admitting he was offsides will shift the 7 sea's into giving the Seahawks a Super Bowl trophy. Players get a jump on the snap weekly. In fact, Clay Matthews did it a couple times in the Super Bowl last year. It's all about timing the silent count. Just show me it. I get that the refs make mistakes, maybe you should too to keep the sanity that is left in your mind.

[S2M]

Travis....when I watch FoxTrac show a ball 6 inches off the plate called a STRIKE. Or a guy jump the gun and already be TWO steps in the backfield before the snap of the ball...I'm automatically cynical.

You keep avoiding that offsides non-call....I understand, it didn't hurt YOUR team. It helped you win a SB. So we have selective officiating. Selective PI, too...limiting coaches to cetain number of challenges - then later in the game they can't challenge an OBVIOUS blown call - is ludicrous. All I ask is to get the call correct the FIRST time.

I can deal with a team biting the big one, and sucking for 60 minutes.....I can't deal with inefficient officiating.

Lmao, I honestly don't know what you want me to say. Show me this Goddamn play and I'll dissect something that happened 6 years ago (to my understanding, if I re-call, Clark Haggans was called on a hold but you say he was offsides.) Whatver, show me the play so you can get off my nuts because somehow you think I'm a football God and me admitting he was offsides will shift the 7 sea's into giving the Seahawks a Super Bowl trophy. Players get a jump on the snap weekly. In fact, Clay Matthews did it a couple times in the Super Bowl last year. It's all about timing the silent count. Just show me it. I get that the refs make mistakes, maybe you should too to keep the sanity that is left in your mind.

Honestly, I didn't think you would have an issue with 6 years ago, since you seem to be fixated on 4 SBs that happened before you were born.

[YoungJRNY]

I'm waiting on this video, troll. You are my entertainment.

[S2M]

I'm waiting on this video, troll. You are my entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxXqhzCTu8
2:00

Just as an aside....they called THAT holding, but what O'Hara did to Seymour was a lovetap, right?

[YoungJRNY]

I'm waiting on this video, troll. You are my entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxXqhzCTu8
2:00

Just as an aside....they called THAT holding, but what O'Hara did to Seymour was a lovetap, right?

Horrible angle. How in the bloody hell can you tell Haggans didn't beat the snap altogether? He was DEFIANTLY held, there's no question about that. He was held so bad that Haggans couldn't even catch his balance. Even if it WAS offsides, the play continues and since the holding call DID occur, those penalties would of OFF-SET and would have replayed the down anyhow, neglecting the pass at the one. (Earlier in that game, I remember Jermain Stephens CLEARLY fumbled the ball after a crucial hit but of course, it was ruled incomplete. You don't hear me bitchin.) Also, like I said, GOOD teams bounce back. Seattle was still in good position to do something with the ball. Instead, Hasselbeck throws a HORRIBLE interception on that next play. Focus more on THAT rather than a call that couldn't of been reversed at any time. Hassebeck simply choked one play later. Seattle's lucky they were in that position anyhow. Cedric Wilson was WIDE OPEN on the flag but Ben threw a terrible ball, allowing the Seahawks to run it back. Ben choked but so did Hasselbeck. The ball was still in his hands. It's not like that holding call was a turnover on downs. Again, human element. S2M, you'll lose every time, even if you're proven correct. It DOESN'T MATTER. Move on, lmao.

And when I say "good teams over-come the refs ruling" the Steelers did just that against Indianapolis during that playoff run. With the Colts trailing, Manning threw a pass that Polamalu CLEARLY intercepted. The pass was ruled an INT but after review, the refs over-turned it. What did Troy do? No, he didn't cry, he put his helmet on and the Steelers went onto win the game by 3 after a MAD Colts push and a Vanderjact FG miss.

[S2M]

I'm waiting on this video, troll. You are my entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxXqhzCTu8
2:00

Just as an aside....they called THAT holding, but what O'Hara did to Seymour was a lovetap, right?

Horrible angle. How in the bloody hell can you tell Haggans didn't beat the snap altogether? He was DEFIANTLY held, there's no question about that. He was held so bad that Haggans couldn't even catch his balance. Even if it WAS offsides, the play continues and since the holding call DID occur, those penalties would of OFF-SET and would have replayed the down anyhow, neglecting the pass at the one. (Earlier in that game, I remember Jermain Stephens CLEARLY fumbled the ball after a crucial hit but of course, it was ruled incomplete. You don't hear me bitchin.) Also, like I said, GOOD teams bounce back. Seattle was still in good position to do something with the ball. Instead, Hasselbeck throws a HORRIBLE interception on that next play. Focus more on THAT rather than a call that couldn't of been reversed at any time. Hassebeck simply choked one play later. Seattle's lucky they were in that position anyhow. Cedric Wilson was WIDE OPEN on the flag but Ben threw a terrible ball, allowing the Seahawks to run it back. Ben choked but so did Hasselbeck. The ball was still in his hands. It's not like that holding call was a turnover on downs. Again, human element. S2M, you'll lose every time, even if you're proven correct. It DOESN'T MATTER. Move on, lmao.

Then I don't want to EVER see you bring up the 'Tuck Rule'....cause Oakland had plenty of time to, as you called it, 'Bounce back'.


And it just goes to show teams, and their fans do not care HOW they win....

[YoungJRNY]

I'm waiting on this video, troll. You are my entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxXqhzCTu8
2:00

Just as an aside....they called THAT holding, but what O'Hara did to Seymour was a lovetap, right?

Horrible angle. How in the bloody hell can you tell Haggans didn't beat the snap altogether? He was DEFIANTLY held, there's no question about that. He was held so bad that Haggans couldn't even catch his balance. Even if it WAS offsides, the play continues and since the holding call DID occur, those penalties would of OFF-SET and would have replayed the down anyhow, neglecting the pass at the one. (Earlier in that game, I remember Jermain Stephens CLEARLY fumbled the ball after a crucial hit but of course, it was ruled incomplete. You don't hear me bitchin.) Also, like I said, GOOD teams bounce back. Seattle was still in good position to do something with the ball. Instead, Hasselbeck throws a HORRIBLE interception on that next play. Focus more on THAT rather than a call that couldn't of been reversed at any time. Hassebeck simply choked one play later. Seattle's lucky they were in that position anyhow. Cedric Wilson was WIDE OPEN on the flag but Ben threw a terrible ball, allowing the Seahawks to run it back. Ben choked but so did Hasselbeck. The ball was still in his hands. It's not like that holding call was a turnover on downs. Again, human element. S2M, you'll lose every time, even if you're proven correct. It DOESN'T MATTER. Move on, lmao.

Then I don't want to EVER see you bring up the 'Tuck Rule'....cause Oakland had plenty of time to, as you called it, 'Bounce back'.

If that means for you to shut the fuck up about the subject, then yes!

[S2M]

Game went to overtime....Oakland had every opportunity to come back. They didn't.

[YoungJRNY]

As a life long Bengals fans I could care less how they might win ....just win..I'll take a blown refs call for my team just like you and Trav have to expect one at some point on your team..you take the calls and funny bounces everytime they go your way, it's part of the game. Hell, Lewis Billups dropped int aginst Montana would have iced a Bungal SB Trophy...that to me was worse than any bad call, a bad play or good play is usually what wins/loses games...and bad calls more often than not get corrected nowadays, bad plays are never debated like the refs. I think the teams have ample plays left to get over those bad calls.

Thank you. Voice of reason. Moving on from this bonehead argument. Got anything relevant, Fact Finder?

[S2M]

As a life long Bengals fans I could care less how they might win ....just win..I'll take a blown refs call for my team just like you and Trav have to expect one at some point on your team..you take the calls and funny bounces everytime they go your way, it's part of the game. Hell, Lewis Billups dropped int aginst Montana would have iced a Bungal SB Trophy...that to me was worse than any bad call, a bad play or good play is usually what wins/loses games...and bad calls more often than not get corrected nowadays, bad plays are never debated like the refs. I think the teams have ample plays left to get over those bad calls.

Thank you. Voice of reason. Moving on from this bonehead argument. Got anything relevant, Fact Finder?

You are a flippin' hypocrite, trav....if the refs blew a call Sunday that went against the Steelers - you would have been the first in here bitchin' about it....

If neither team had a turnover...and it was a shootout - and it came down to ONE play....if Pitt got screwed, you'd be in here cryin'. And if it was in a SB, you'd be a vegetable right now.

[YoungJRNY]

As a life long Bengals fans I could care less how they might win ....just win..I'll take a blown refs call for my team just like you and Trav have to expect one at some point on your team..you take the calls and funny bounces everytime they go your way, it's part of the game. Hell, Lewis Billups dropped int aginst Montana would have iced a Bungal SB Trophy...that to me was worse than any bad call, a bad play or good play is usually what wins/loses games...and bad calls more often than not get corrected nowadays, bad plays are never debated like the refs. I think the teams have ample plays left to get over those bad calls.

Thank you. Voice of reason. Moving on from this bonehead argument. Got anything relevant, Fact Finder?

You are flippin' hypocrite, trav....if the refs blew a call Sunday that went against the Steelers - you would have been the first in here bitchin' about it....

If neither team had a turnover...and it was a shootout - and it came down to ONE play....if Pitt got screwed, you'd be in here cryin'. And if it was in a SB, you'd be a vegetable right now.

Do you ever stop? If that circumstance would EVER come about (and it probably won't) it would be talked about, obviously, but I would forget about it that next week simply because I've never whined or bitched about such calls in any form or extremities that you do. Believe it or not, the Steelers are well on the other end of penalties more-so than the opposition. I always congratulate the other team and acceptt the loss. Week 1, I accepted the loss. The loss against Houston, I picked Houston to win it. Hell, I had us losing to N.E last Sunday. You on the other hand, ADMITTED that you expect the Pats to go 19-0 every year and FAIL to give one ounce of credit to the other team because in every single case, it was the refs and your team got screwed. I ask myself time and time again, why do I even waste my time with you? That said, I'm done getting into asinine debates with you. The only way you shut your yap, is to stop being fed.

[S2M]

As a life long Bengals fans I could care less how they might win ....just win..I'll take a blown refs call for my team just like you and Trav have to expect one at some point on your team..you take the calls and funny bounces everytime they go your way, it's part of the game. Hell, Lewis Billups dropped int aginst Montana would have iced a Bungal SB Trophy...that to me was worse than any bad call, a bad play or good play is usually what wins/loses games...and bad calls more often than not get corrected nowadays, bad plays are never debated like the refs. I think the teams have ample plays left to get over those bad calls.

Thank you. Voice of reason. Moving on from this bonehead argument. Got anything relevant, Fact Finder?

You are flippin' hypocrite, trav....if the refs blew a call Sunday that went against the Steelers - you would have been the first in here bitchin' about it....

If neither team had a turnover...and it was a shootout - and it came down to ONE play....if Pitt got screwed, you'd be in here cryin'. And if it was in a SB, you'd be a vegetable right now.

Do you ever stop? If that circumstance would EVER come about (and it probably won't) it would be talked about, obviously, but I would forget about it that next week simply because I've never whined or bitched about such calls in any form or extremities that you do. Believe it or not, the Steelers are well on the other end of penalties more-so than the opposition. I always congratulate the other team and except the loss. Week 1, I accepted the loss. The loss against Houston, I picked Houston to win it. Hell, I had us losing to N.E last Sunday. You on the other hand, ADMITTED that you expect the Pats to go 19-0 every year and FAIL to give one ounce of credit to the other team because in every single case, it was the refs and your team got screwed. I ask myself time and time again, why do I even waste my time with you? That said, this time getting into these asinine debates.

Whatever...your predictions are disingenuous. You hedge your bets. You pick NE so if by some act of god they win, you can be right....and if they lose, you can beat your chest and claim superiority.

I talk about about those situations because there should be integrity in sports, and accountability....period.

[YoungJRNY]

As a life long Bengals fans I could care less how they might win ....just win..I'll take a blown refs call for my team just like you and Trav have to expect one at some point on your team..you take the calls and funny bounces everytime they go your way, it's part of the game. Hell, Lewis Billups dropped int aginst Montana would have iced a Bungal SB Trophy...that to me was worse than any bad call, a bad play or good play is usually what wins/loses games...and bad calls more often than not get corrected nowadays, bad plays are never debated like the refs. I think the teams have ample plays left to get over those bad calls.

Thank you. Voice of reason. Moving on from this bonehead argument. Got anything relevant, Fact Finder?

Oakland signed TJ Houshmanzada for Carson.

If anything, atleast that gives Palmer familiarity with his wideout and the tendencies of how he's going to move his body in certain routes. Good pickup by Oakland, I always thought Housh was dependable when it counted.

[AlteredDNA]

Not taking sides here, and in full disclosure I'm a Saints fan.

The discussion about the integrity and accountability in the game made me think: Are the games that were played before instant replay was adopted, but had obvious blown calls, any less relevant than current day? What about the games played even before there was video? The originators of the games felt that there was enough integrity with human judges / umpires / officials back then, so why not now?

Also, we all know there are blown calls, some much larger than others. However, out of all of the plays run in a single season - every game - what number of them truly have a blown call that impacts the outcome of the game. I'm not talking about "IF they had made the right call team A MIGHT have scored". I'm wondering how many actually cost a team the game.

Perfection, while nice to strive for, and with technology we are closer than ever, is never going to be possible with subjective rules, and every sport has them. Of course, there are objective rules as well, but as long as humans are judging a strike zone, pass interference, or charging fouls, there will never be "perfection", and most certainly not perfection that 100% of the fans agree on.

Just my .02...

[S2M]

Not taking sides here, and in full disclosure I'm a Saints fan.

The discussion about the integrity and accountability in the game made me think: Are the games that were played before instant replay was adopted, but had obvious blown calls, any less relevant than current day? What about the games played even before there was video? The originators of the games felt that there was enough integrity with human judges / umpires / officials back then, so why not now?
Also, we all know there are blown calls, some much larger than others. However, out of all of the plays run in a single season - every game - what number of them truly have a blown call that impacts the outcome of the game. I'm not talking about "IF they had made the right call team A MIGHT have scored". I'm wondering how many actually cost a team the game.

Perfection, while nice to strive for, and with technology we are closer than ever, is never going to be possible with subjective rules, and every sport has them. Of course, there are objective rules as well, but as long as humans are judging a strike zone, pass interference, or charging fouls, there will never be "perfection", and most certainly not perfection that 100% of the fans agree on.

Just my .02...

Same reason we don't still use Peach baskets, dead balls, or wear leather helmets......

[Seven Wishes2]

Who do you start this weekend - Palmer or Cassel?

[YoungJRNY]

Who do you start this weekend - Palmer or Cassel?

Go with the hot-hand. It's being said QB's coming off the BYE are putting up TERRIBLE numbers this season. Add in the fact that the Chiefs are coming off a huge Monday Night win and Cassel has found his big WR in Baldwin & since Palmer is still getting use to the playbook in Oakland, it'll still take some more time, maybe the rest of the year for him to find a niche. Cassel all day.

[Enigma869]

Who do you start this weekend - Palmer or Cassel?

You must be in a league with way to many teams to have either of these guys as QB options. Carson Palmer shouldn't be on anyone's team!

[Seven Wishes2]

Stafford has a bye. We have a 3 QB limit.

Anyway, I'm already fucked. This is the same league I have with Jamaal Charles, Peyton Manning, and Kenny Britt. How I've managed to go 4-4 is beyond me.

[mikemarrs]

Stafford has a bye. We have a 3 QB limit.

Anyway, I'm already fucked. This is the same league I have with Jamaal Charles, Peyton Manning, and Kenny Britt. How I've managed to go 4-4 is beyond me.

DAMN

[Seven Wishes2]

It's pretty funny watching the media circling the Patriots' wagons - as if the offensive slump they had against the Steelers is the problem.

Brady fucked up the Buffalo game, for sure, and missed tons of open targets against Pittsburgh, but the guy delivers. The Steelers' D is tout.

No, the problem is going to be, will the 30-40 points New England will put up pretty much every game be enough to overcome Coach Bill's horrible personnel moves of the past twelve months, and the complete absence of a secondary? My 9 year old could rack up at least 250 yards against that sorry bunch.

[Enigma869]

It's pretty funny watching the media circling the Patriots' wagons - as if the offensive slump they had against the Steelers is the problem.

Brady fucked up the Buffalo game, for sure, and missed tons of open targets against Pittsburgh, but the guy delivers. The Steelers' D is tout.

No, the problem is going to be, will the 30-40 points New England will put up pretty much every game be enough to overcome Coach Bill's horrible personnel moves of the past twelve months, and the complete absence of a secondary? My 9 year old could rack up at least 250 yards against that sorry bunch.

Mark my words...this Patriots team is going NOWHERE in the playoffs. No NFL team has ever won with this awful of a defense. The Steelers played well on Sunday, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the Patriots still had a chance to win a game that they had no business being in. The Giants have a FAR better pass rush (they lead the NFL in sacks)than the Steelers have, so things won't get any easier this week.

[S2M]

It's pretty funny watching the media circling the Patriots' wagons - as if the offensive slump they had against the Steelers is the problem.

Brady fucked up the Buffalo game, for sure, and missed tons of open targets against Pittsburgh, but the guy delivers. The Steelers' D is tout.

No, the problem is going to be, will the 30-40 points New England will put up pretty much every game be enough to overcome Coach Bill's horrible personnel moves of the past twelve months, and the complete absence of a secondary? My 9 year old could rack up at least 250 yards against that sorry bunch.

Mark my words...this Patriots team is going NOWHERE in the playoffs. No NFL team has ever won with this awful of a defense. The Steelers played well on Sunday, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the Patriots still had a chance to win a game that they had no business being in. The Giants have a FAR better pass rush (they lead the NFL in sacks)than the Steelers have, so things won't get any easier this week.

And just as anemic a secondary as NE.....

[Enigma869]

And just as anemic a secondary as NE.....

As much as I hate for actual facts to get in the way of your post, there are only three teams in the entire NFL who have given up fewer passing TD's than the Giants have! Only 6 teams in the NFL have given up more passing TD's than the Patriots have, so if you have any Giants receivers on your fantasy team, this weekend is a good time to roll them out!

[S2M]

And just as anemic a secondary as NE.....

As much as I hate for actual facts to get in the way of your post, there are only three teams in the entire NFL who have given up fewer passing TD's than the Giants have! Only 6 teams in the NFL have given up more passing TD's than the Patriots have, so if you have any Giants receivers on your fantasy team, this weekend is a good time to roll them out!

They are giving up 130 y/g on the ground....

And in your assertion about the NY secondary...50+ less attempts, and 5 less TDs given up than NE. So roughly even.

NE is giving up a TD every 16 completions....NY, one every 20 completions.

FYI - GB is 25th in total defense, 29th in passing....Rodgers better not have an off day.