Augeri years...

[Yoda]

Not those ones in particular, but a reference to Madonna was made and I'd say she belongs in the same tier with regards to fame..

You'll have to go back and read my follow up post for what I said in reference to Madonna.

I definitely agree with Gideon's assessment as far as measuring the fame of the artists he mentioned to Perry's fame. Perry isn't in the same league. But, I think it was read to assume someone had made those comparisons prior to his posting, which they hadn't. I did make a comparison of Perry to the fame of Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, and Madonna...but I was referring more to the age of the 1980's rather than today. Of course, I'd probably say Madonna has more fame since she was obviously a lot more active in the 90's and early 2000's than Perry. But, the whole point was to say that it's ridiculous to think that Perry has no more fame than Steve Augeri - which was pointed out in this thread.

Like I said, the whole point was merely to point out that by assuming Steve Perry has as much fame as Steve Augeri, is to completely disregard the entire 1980's, him being the front man of Journey during the height of their popularity and commercial success, and the success of Street Talk. I'm sure you'd agree with that.

[Enigma869]

I'm beginning to think that ticket sales are tied more to the dirty dozen than any particular singer at the moment.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Anyone who believes otherwise should probably get their head out of their ass! The music of Journey sells the tickets. There aren't 5 people outside of websites like this who have ever heard of the name Steve Augeri!

[Yoda]

I'm beginning to think that ticket sales are tied more to the dirty dozen than any particular singer at the moment.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Anyone who believes otherwise should probably get their head out of their ass! The music of Journey sells the tickets. There aren't 5 people outside of websites like this who have ever heard of the name Steve Augeri!

I would say the success that Journey has acquired since Perry left is mostly due to the support of the classics, yes. At the same time, I give Steve Augeri, Jeff Scott Soto, Arnel Pineda, and even Deen Castronovo credit for singing the songs and keeping the band rolling.

[Abitaman]

Like the Augeri Years as much as the Perry years. Arrival and Generations are two of my top 5 favorite cds by the band. Red 13 and good songs but poor production on it. But two many years have gone by between the Perry mnd Augeri years to compare sales of a hot band and one trying to come back. So for me it comes down to what you like.

[Gideon]

I'm sure you'd agree with that.

You'd be correct.

[Navarro]

Thanks for your response. Negative are as welcome as positive. Not to dispute something that is indisputable, but do you feel Augeri's first several tours with Journey were an embarassment or fraudulant?

No. Quite respectable IMHO.

Was Arrival an embarassment?

No. Decent record...decent, still not as good as anything Perry recorded though. Perry could squirt liquid messy green shit salad shots into an echoing Shell gas station bathroom and sound better than anything Augeri sang.

There are plenty of boots of Augeri sing the classics reasonable well some very well.

So? gee, thanks for your doing your fucking job.

Does one tour of "lipping" take away all of this? Augeri's good with Journey outweights his bad.

Bullshit. Hey, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and Barroid Bonds all shot up the juice and went yard every 4 at bats. But that was just a year or so. Shouldn't they all still get into the hall of fame? Um, Fuck no! Listen up you cowardly sons of bitches. I don't give a shit if Augeri is nicer than a toothless hampster who gives free and frequent blow jobs to homeless AIDS men hourly on the corner of Embarcadero and Lombard, what SA did was FUCKING DESPICABLE!! Seriously, OJ had a ONE bad night. You really think due to his lack of temper contol on a single night should have landed him in the hole for life, just because Orenthal somehow turned Ron and Nicole into Pez dispensers? Nah...ONE bad night? Let him go with a warning, no big deal.

Navarro, you're a piece of shit. Just because this guy is a nice human(I'd be fucking real nice too if I made shit tons of jack miming popular 80's pop songs nightly into a dead mic), does not merit a "get out of fraud status" card anytime soon. The fact he "sang" for you favourite band is the only Goddamned reason you and some other spineless, clueless and deaf people on here give this gerry curled Lipper a pass. What he did was not only to take Neals' and Azoff's cocks up his ass and go along with their demands(I'm sure Cain sat by watching), but what else he did was he took a piss on a once proud and very good band called Journey, but didn't stop there- he also took a shit on an even bigger animal and that is Music itself. It's apprehensible and downright callous and a complete lack of respect....and the guy profitted from it- by faking a craft that he COULD NOT DO. Music is supposed to be a talent. Why do you assholes feel the need to let him off with a warning for having NO talent?

Again, you CANNOT DEFEND THIS. The truth here is against you Wigglers.

PS- Anyone who was involved in the daily battles of tapegate rememner that behemoth bison type "woman" named Penny? Goddamn she was large. If she were step outside on a sunny day, she would surely put the state of Deleware into an complete solar eclipse. She had to iron her pants in the fuckin' driveway. Goddamned Twinkie and Ding Dong eatin bitch. Fuck, I hated her ass.

Navarro is new to posting, so may not know all the back stories and who said/did what on the board, so go easy. Not everyone with an opposing opinion needs the Deano MR Forum lambasting, but it's always good for some entertainment. I think there are a very few who give Augeri a pass on this, even those who liked the guy in the band, I think the masses fault the entire band and management machine that is Journey, because it was obviously a calculated move on all parts, and if anyone says they had no idea it was going on, they are a lying POS. Most just don't beat the guy to a written pulp like Dean does, and it's a very touchy subject with him, and I respect his candidness. That said, i think most people just don't care anymore and have moved on. You can't go back a rewrite history and I think a lot of people have accepted that it happened, the average person doesn't know or care that it did, and continue to go see them live, regardless to the singer. I am sure if Neal and Co. knew that continuously singing in that range would ruin his voice, they likely would have chosen someone who could have done it longer. And, I think they all should have either packed up camp, or made a singer change long before any of this had to take place. I also think that Neal knew, just like Arnel, to pick an unassuming guy who was going to be eternally grateful for the opportunity and would not have the clout to ever stand up to him, because he was "taking his band back" and didn't want a prima-donna singer.

I must have missed this post yesterday. I certainly am not a "Wiggler", if anything, a "Loon". I prefer not to hear the classics sang by anyone but SP. Out of morbid, curiousity, I have listened to all of the other singers sing the classics, but don't ever go to the concerts. I have heard SP live and that was enough for me. I do like some of Journey's songs without Perry though. Thanks for the history on Deano. Due to the profanity laced tirade, I don't really take Deano seriously and because he made so many assumptions about me that were so off base, it was ridiculous.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm beginning to think that ticket sales are tied more to the dirty dozen than any particular singer at the moment.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Anyone who believes otherwise should probably get their head out of their ass! The music of Journey sells the tickets. !

Totally agree w/these two, it's the music, the songs, the classics ...written, made famous, ESTABLISHED by the classic lineup.
I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there .

[Enigma869]

I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there

That would be true, regardless of who they brought in as the lead singer. If the guy was Italian, you'd have the "Goodfellas" crowd following Neal and his cronies around.

[Don]

I'm beginning to think that ticket sales are tied more to the dirty dozen than any particular singer at the moment.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Anyone who believes otherwise should probably get their head out of their ass! The music of Journey sells the tickets. !

Totally agree w/these two, it's the music, the songs, the classics ...written, made famous, ESTABLISHED by the classic lineup.
I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there .

Of course, but checking AP's personal websites, even those numbers have dwindled after the initial euphoria of having a Filipino front an American band. A good third of those fans in the beginning jumped on the wagon as a show of nationalism more than anything else. Now for the most part, they have disappeared. That group of 10,000 (allegedly, all buying ten to 20 copies of Revelation to send to their relations) has been cut down to just a few hundred stalwarts now if you go by the forum traffic.

It's the younger fans that filling up more seats at the shows now, the type who don't care who the singer is nor are inclined to buy anything new from the group or if they do, only select digital singles vs a whole album.

[Jubilee]

Totally agree w/these two, it's the music, the songs, the classics ...written, made famous, ESTABLISHED by the classic lineup.
I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there .

Of course, but checking AP's personal websites, even those numbers have dwindled after the initial euphoria of having a Filipino front an American band. A good third of those fans in the beginning jumped on the wagon as a show of nationalism more than anything else. Now for the most part, they have disappeared. That group of 10,000 (allegedly, all buying ten to 20 copies of Revelation to send to their relations) has been cut down to just a few hundred stalwarts now if you go by the forum traffic.

It's the younger fans that filling up more seats at the shows now, the type who don't care who the singer is nor are inclined to buy anything new from the group or if they do, only select digital singles vs a whole album.

That much is evident. The Plokkers, much like everyone else, appear to have stayed away from the new music (recorded with the same Filipino front man) in droves.

[Michigan Girl]

I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there

That would be true, regardless of who they brought in as the lead singer. If the guy was Italian, you'd have the "Goodfellas" crowd following Neal and his cronies around.

Of course you're correct. The swinging door effect!!

[george_g]

I'm beginning to think that ticket sales are tied more to the dirty dozen than any particular singer at the moment.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Anyone who believes otherwise should probably get their head out of their ass! The music of Journey sells the tickets. !

Totally agree w/these two, it's the music, the songs, the classics ...written, made famous, ESTABLISHED by the classic lineup.
I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there .

Of course, but checking AP's personal websites, even those numbers have dwindled after the initial euphoria of having a Filipino front an American band. A good third of those fans in the beginning jumped on the wagon as a show of nationalism more than anything else. Now for the most part, they have disappeared. That group of 10,000 (allegedly, all buying ten to 20 copies of Revelation to send to their relations) has been cut down to just a few hundred stalwarts now if you go by the forum traffic.

It's the younger fans that filling up more seats at the shows now, the type who don't care who the singer is nor are inclined to buy anything new from the group or if they do, only select digital singles vs a whole album.

That picture you have from the acoustic set with REO is sooo cool!

[Art Vandelay]

I do believe, however, that there are a few thousand new fans who were never fans of Journey prior to AP ...who are there because
he is there

That would be true, regardless of who they brought in as the lead singer. If the guy was Italian, you'd have the "Goodfellas" crowd following Neal and his cronies around.

Nah, we all started doing that after the Sorpanos finale.

[AR]

When I saw Steve live recently he sounded really good. It was nice to hear some Arrival songs again.

[Calbear94]

Listened to 'Arrival' on a long drive yesterday...forgot how solid it is. Easily their best work since "Frontiers". As for the Augeri-era in summary, it was a lost oppotunity. I can't really blame Neal...when SA's voice started to go down, he no longer wanted to invest creatively. "Revelation" or "Eclipse" should've been the sophmore effort to "Arrival", not the half-assed throwaway, "Generations."

What concerns me is the pattern here. Arrival (the first with Augeri) was a very good album, but disappointing to many because it was being held up to the standard of Escape. Then Journey veered totally off-course with Red 13 and Generations.

Revelation (the first with Arnel) was also a very good album, this despite that Arnel had not been in the U.S. long enough to improve his diction. Journey then again veered off-course with Eclipse.

Why can't journey build on the quality established on the first albums of each new singer? Why does the sophomore effort have to necessarily flop?

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums. Who as producer, other than Steve Perry, can keep the competing visions of Cain and Schon from controlling a new Journey record?

[The_Noble_Cause]

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums.

That's ALOT more than Perry's post-Journey output. Which, by my count, includes one soundtrack contribution for a cartoon nobody watched. Journey's post-Perry output has been damn solid. Most bands of their age don't even bother to release new material. As far as "top notch material", even during their heyday, Journey's albums contained a few hits and a few misfires. Backtalk anyone? Homemade Love?

[AR]

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums.

That's ALOT more than Perry's post-Journey output. Which, by my count, includes one soundtrack contribution for a cartoon nobody watched. Journey's post-Perry output has been damn solid. Most bands of their age don't even bother to release new material. As far as "top notch material", even during their heyday, Journey's albums contained a few hits and a few misfires. Backtalk anyone? Homemade Love?

Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper have set the standard for late career output. No breaks. Constant recording and touring. Very high level too.

[steveo777]

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums.

That's ALOT more than Perry's post-Journey output. Which, by my count, includes one soundtrack contribution for a cartoon nobody watched. Journey's post-Perry output has been damn solid. Most bands of their age don't even bother to release new material. As far as "top notch material", even during their heyday, Journey's albums contained a few hits and a few misfires. Backtalk anyone? Homemade Love?

Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper have set the standard for late career output. No breaks. Constant recording and touring. Very high level too.

Alice Cooper was recently on Leno, as well as another late show, which I don't recall. That's gotta be really good towards helping him stay relevant. His band
sounds very good too.

[AR]

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums.

That's ALOT more than Perry's post-Journey output. Which, by my count, includes one soundtrack contribution for a cartoon nobody watched. Journey's post-Perry output has been damn solid. Most bands of their age don't even bother to release new material. As far as "top notch material", even during their heyday, Journey's albums contained a few hits and a few misfires. Backtalk anyone? Homemade Love?

Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper have set the standard for late career output. No breaks. Constant recording and touring. Very high level too.

Alice Cooper was recently on Leno, as well as another late show, which I don't recall. That's gotta be really good towards helping him stay relevant. His band
sounds very good too.

Steve - Alice puts out albums constantly. Most recent one is a sequel called Welcome 2 My Nightmare. It stands up with anything in his catalog. You have to like his stuff to appreciate it of course but he is still putting out music that matches his early recordings.

[steveo777]

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums.

That's ALOT more than Perry's post-Journey output. Which, by my count, includes one soundtrack contribution for a cartoon nobody watched. Journey's post-Perry output has been damn solid. Most bands of their age don't even bother to release new material. As far as "top notch material", even during their heyday, Journey's albums contained a few hits and a few misfires. Backtalk anyone? Homemade Love?

Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper have set the standard for late career output. No breaks. Constant recording and touring. Very high level too.

Alice Cooper was recently on Leno, as well as another late show, which I don't recall. That's gotta be really good towards helping him stay relevant. His band
sounds very good too.

Steve - Alice puts out albums constantly. Most recent one is a sequel called Welcome 2 My Nightmare. It stands up with anything in his catalog. You have to like his stuff to appreciate it of course but he is still putting out music that matches his early recordings.

Ed, I owned Welcome To My Nightmare as a youngster, still do, and now have Welcome 2 My Nightmare. I love this new album as much as anything he's ever recorded.

[AR]

There is probably an album's worth of top-notch journey songs sprinkled throughout the post-Perry albums.

Ed, I owned Welcome To My Nightmare as a youngster, still do, and now have Welcome 2 My Nightmare. I love this new album as much as anything he's ever recorded.

I remember my parents giving me Alice Cooper's greatest hits on 8 track as a kid. Blows me away how he can still deliver material like this in 2011!

[AR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7EYW-tcbY

1974 is 2011.

[The_Noble_Cause]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

[Rockindeano]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

Well played I guess Had I been the one interviewing this fuckin fraud, I would have whipped out the bootleg lip discs and ended that fuckers career right there. Yet many of you here still pay hard earned money to see a guy who faked it for 3 years. Unbelievable.

I would ask him if he really wanted to challenge me on the "small amount" of truth I possessed. I am guessing he would clam the fuck up pretty quick.

[kgdjpubs]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

Well played I guess Had I been the one interviewing this fuckin fraud, I would have whipped out the bootleg lip discs and ended that fuckers career right there. Yet many of you here still pay hard earned money to see a guy who faked it for 3 years. Unbelievable.

yet you were more than happy to pay hard earned money to see several guys who were the masterminds behind the plot??? I don't think anyone would believe for an instant that Augeri held enough power in the band to force the others to do what he wanted on that scale. It all boils down to Schon and Cain being unwilling to give Augeri a break by the end of 2004 when his voice was starting to show signs of fatigue, and then compounding it by making him warm up the voice and let it go cold while the rest of the band played an hour of pre-Perry Journey in 2005 and thinking Augeri could come in with a cold voice and handle the catalog. That was the worst possible thing you could do to a singer who is already struggling.

The blame goes around everyone, but laying the whole mess at Augeri's feet when he wasn't the one calling the shots is venting your anger in the wrong direction.

[steveo777]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

Well played I guess Had I been the one interviewing this fuckin fraud, I would have whipped out the bootleg lip discs and ended that fuckers career right there. Yet many of you here still pay hard earned money to see a guy who faked it for 3 years. Unbelievable.

yet you were more than happy to pay hard earned money to see several guys who were the masterminds behind the plot??? I don't think anyone would believe for an instant that Augeri held enough power in the band to force the others to do what he wanted on that scale. It all boils down to Schon and Cain being unwilling to give Augeri a break by the end of 2004 when his voice was starting to show signs of fatigue, and then compounding it by making him warm up the voice and let it go cold while the rest of the band played an hour of pre-Perry Journey in 2005 and thinking Augeri could come in with a cold voice and handle the catalog. That was the worst possible thing you could do to a singer who is already struggling.

The blame goes around everyone, but laying the whole mess at Augeri's feet when he wasn't the one calling the shots is venting your anger in the wrong direction.

This snake has a head and his name is Azoff. All were involved in that mess. So, that said, people can either hold the grudge or let it go and enjoy the music. Those are the choices. Personal choices, really............

[Rockindeano]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

Well played I guess Had I been the one interviewing this fuckin fraud, I would have whipped out the bootleg lip discs and ended that fuckers career right there. Yet many of you here still pay hard earned money to see a guy who faked it for 3 years. Unbelievable.

yet you were more than happy to pay hard earned money to see several guys who were the masterminds behind the plot??? I don't think anyone would believe for an instant that Augeri held enough power in the band to force the others to do what he wanted on that scale. It all boils down to Schon and Cain being unwilling to give Augeri a break by the end of 2004 when his voice was starting to show signs of fatigue, and then compounding it by making him warm up the voice and let it go cold while the rest of the band played an hour of pre-Perry Journey in 2005 and thinking Augeri could come in with a cold voice and handle the catalog. That was the worst possible thing you could do to a singer who is already struggling.

The blame goes around everyone, but laying the whole mess at Augeri's feet when he wasn't the one calling the shots is venting your anger in the wrong direction.

This snake has a head and his name is Azoff. All were involved in that mess. So, that said, people can either hold the grudge or let it go and enjoy the music. Those are the choices. Personal choices, really............

Well you said it, not I...but you are correct in that statement.

[livin2do]

I loved Augeri's tenure in the band, not only because of the Arrival record, but mostly because he was so accessible. He seemed like a decent "everyman," who got picked for a really hard job and for a while was able to make it his own. I still don't for one second believe that the band was not complicit in tapegate, and feel that Augeri took the fall because it was easy for everyone. He always was a decent guy, and I'm sure he saw the big picture for the band. It's apparent that there are few ill feelings between the parties lately, with Augeri able to bill himself as a former singer of Journey ans the band doing nothing to get in the way of him trying to make a name of his own. You don't see Schon and co. referring to Jeff Scott Soto fondly, that's for sure.

The biggest mark I think Augeri had on Journey's current success is that, without him, they wouldn't have been so prepared to take advantage of their second wave of popularity over the past few years. They were a honed, well-oiled machine missing one key component when Don't Stop Believin' started its recent surge. Because of that, they could take someone like Soto, Pineda - even Jeremey if it had worked out differently - put them out front and put the foot to the floor. Vocally, it could've been anyone that took the position in 1998. Chalfant, Hugo - whoever. But, as a longtime Journey fan who never wanted to give a Perry-less band a chance, it was the humility with which Augeri handled the responsibility, and the respect he gave to the fans of the band's legacy, that made me think he deserved the shot.

[AR]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

Well played I guess Had I been the one interviewing this fuckin fraud, I would have whipped out the bootleg lip discs and ended that fuckers career right there. Yet many of you here still pay hard earned money to see a guy who faked it for 3 years. Unbelievable.

I saw Augeri over the summer. Free show.

[Rockindeano]

SA grilled on Tapegate at 07:22. Good none-denial denial by Steve. Surprised theinterviewer would bring this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7jOVPLPug

Well played I guess Had I been the one interviewing this fuckin fraud, I would have whipped out the bootleg lip discs and ended that fuckers career right there. Yet many of you here still pay hard earned money to see a guy who faked it for 3 years. Unbelievable.

I saw Augeri over the summer. Free show.

I would hope so. I can't see how anyone would pay 5 bucks to see him "sing" Journey songs with broken, cracked and weak voice....and don't tell me he was "on fire," or "awesome" either, because I know he wasn't. he isn't capable of being either, unless Kevin Elson is in attendance if you know what I mean.