Augeri years...

[hoagiepete]

What's up with the Neal want to look alike in the band? The guitar/sax player in Foreigner had the same look going.

Looking back, in the early years with the band, SA often sang with the mic to the side of his mouth (which annoyed me), but later held the mic in a more traditional place in front of his face. Coincidence? Not accusing, just asking.

[Rockindeano]

What's up with the Neal want to look alike in the band? The guitar/sax player in Foreigner had the same look going.

Looking back, in the early years with the band, SA often sang with the mic to the side of his mouth (which annoyed me), but later held the mic in a more traditional place in front of his face. Coincidence? Not accusing, just asking.

Jesus Christ. Are you being serious? Augeri held the now 5 inch circumference afro headed mic in front of his grill to hide lip movement. It's obvious. Did Fat Albert have a oversized boiler going on? If so, then Augeri sure as shit was hiding his lips.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I would hope so. I can't see how anyone would pay 5 bucks to see him "sing" Journey songs with broken, cracked and weak voice.....

Eh, I still pay to see Lou Gramm perform. Why not Augeri? Still a good show.

[Abitaman]

I would hope so. I can't see how anyone would pay 5 bucks to see him "sing" Journey songs with broken, cracked and weak voice.....

Eh, I still pay to see Lou Gramm perform. Why not Augeri? Still a good show.

Same here. Saw Lou a few years back, good show. His voice isn't what it use to be. But still a good show.
Augeri if your ever in East TN and it is close by, I'll be there.

[george_g]

What's up with the Neal want to look alike in the band? The guitar/sax player in Foreigner had the same look going.

Looking back, in the early years with the band, SA often sang with the mic to the side of his mouth (which annoyed me), but later held the mic in a more traditional place in front of his face. Coincidence? Not accusing, just asking.

Jesus Christ. Are you being serious? Augeri held the now 5 inch circumference afro headed mic in front of his grill to hide lip movement. It's obvious. Did Fat Albert have a oversized boiler going on? If so, then Augeri sure as shit was hiding his lips.

Yes the big mice was embarrassing, no matter what happened behind of it, its presence gave the right to say what rockingdeano says...and how to persuade someone for the contrary really?

[Navarro]

What's up with the Neal want to look alike in the band? The guitar/sax player in Foreigner had the same look going.

Looking back, in the early years with the band, SA often sang with the mic to the side of his mouth (which annoyed me), but later held the mic in a more traditional place in front of his face. Coincidence? Not accusing, just asking.

Jesus Christ. Are you being serious? Augeri held the now 5 inch circumference afro headed mic in front of his grill to hide lip movement. It's obvious. Did Fat Albert have a oversized boiler going on? If so, then Augeri sure as shit was hiding his lips.

Yes the big mice was embarrassing, no matter what happened behind of it, its presence gave the right to say what rockingdeano says...and how to persuade someone for the contrary really?

You're right George and any reasonable person would agree, but what is doesn't give deano the right to do is verbally abuse people at will as he cowardly hides behide a computer. I am sure his mouth is writing checks his ass cannot cash. Regardless of his relationship with anyone in Journey, the guy is real asshole and a detriment to civil discourse on the board. Call me a piece of shit to my face and see how that works out for you. Oh yeah deano-FUCK YOU!

[Rockindeano]

Navarro, you're a piece of shit.

Go fuck yourself. I'll talk to anyone I want anyway I want. Just button the fuck up already.

[Navarro]

Navarro, you're a piece of shit.

Go fuck yourself. I'll talk to anyone I want anyway I want. Just button the fuck up already.

Like I said, you're a big, tough guy behind that computer. Someone needs to muzzle you, you are just a barking dog.

[Rick]

Navarro, you're a piece of shit.

Go fuck yourself. I'll talk to anyone I want anyway I want. Just button the fuck up already.

Like I said, you're a big, tough guy behind that computer. Someone needs to muzzle you, you are just a barking dog.

Dude, he's been here since the earth cooled. It's just message board banter. You've only been here a month, so it's understandable that you don't get that. Have fun with it. A lot of us have met and partied with Dean, including Hoagiepete, and know he's a good natured, colorful dude.

[Navarro]

Navarro, you're a piece of shit.

Go fuck yourself. I'll talk to anyone I want anyway I want. Just button the fuck up already.

Like I said, you're a big, tough guy behind that computer. Someone needs to muzzle you, you are just a barking dog.

Dude, he's been here since the earth cooled. It's just message board banter. You've only been here a month, so it's understandable that you don't get that. Have fun with it. A lot of us have met and partied with Dean, including Hoagiepete, and know he's a good natured, colorful dude.

I'll have to take your word for it!

[george_g]

Navarro, you're a piece of shit.

Go fuck yourself. I'll talk to anyone I want anyway I want. Just button the fuck up already.

Like I said, you're a big, tough guy behind that computer. Someone needs to muzzle you, you are just a barking dog.

Dude, he's been here since the earth cooled. It's just message board banter. You've only been here a month, so it's understandable that you don't get that. Have fun with it. A lot of us have met and partied with Dean, including Hoagiepete, and know he's a good natured, colorful dude.

I'll have to take your word for it!

This topic is called "Augeri years' so we are not supposed to talk only about 2006...have to mention also the music right? And is it of my great pleasure to see how much Arrival has grown in the band's fanbase...wasn't like that in 2001 at all!

[Red13JoePa]

And is it of my great pleasure to see how much Arrival has grown in the band's fanbase...wasn't like that in 2001 at all!

The renaissance Arrival (and even Augeri) has endured here strikes me as a convenient sword to stab the band with in its current constitution.


Seen it go down before. Augeri was fucking radioactive here during tapegate.
Then he became a martyr when JSS and the band parted ways.

[Yoda]

And is it of my great pleasure to see how much Arrival has grown in the band's fanbase...wasn't like that in 2001 at all!

The renaissance Arrival (and even Augeri) has endured here strikes me as a convenient sword to stab the band with in its current constitution.


Seen it go down before. Augeri was fucking radioactive here during tapegate.
Then he became a martyr when JSS and the band parted ways.

I think it probably has a lot to do with folks here (this was during my lurking days on MR) mentioning before as to how they wanted to re-record Arrival with Arnel Pineda. Even Neal Schon had mentioned this. To me, that's an equal stab to the band's constitution with Augeri. It really works both ways.

[Red13JoePa]

Those comments were never really clear to me.
Hard to believe they'd want to rerecord an entire album that flopped when cds actually sold....my impression of Cain's "I have the tapes" comment was that Arnel could listen back and learn how to sing them in a live setting.

[Yoda]

Those comments were never really clear to me.
Hard to believe they'd want to rerecord an entire album that flopped when cds actually sold....my impression of Cain's "I have the tapes" comment was that Arnel could listen back and learn how to sing them in a live setting.

I personally don't think it makes any sense for several reasons. One being, yes, it had its chance and for the most part, was a commercial failure. Secondly, after the shady promotion of Eclipse, why would we think they'd be better at promoting a re-release of Arrival? Thirdly, I understand that bands re-record albums or greatest hits for licensing issues and so forth, but it's not like anybody outside of the hardcore fans really know any of the songs (as great as those songs were on Arrival) so there would be no use for those songs for commercial use. Lastly, this is just a personal thing, but I have always HATED the idea of re-recording songs with a different singer. I don't care if that singer can sing the song better or not, it's the art that you have already created. It's like going back to the canvas and repainting the Mona Lisa, because you just didn't like her with dark hair. It's done and it is what it is, just leave it be and go on to something completely new.

[marco17]

And is it of my great pleasure to see how much Arrival has grown in the band's fanbase...wasn't like that in 2001 at all!

The renaissance Arrival (and even Augeri) has endured here strikes me as a convenient sword to stab the band with in its current constitution.


Seen it go down before. Augeri was fucking radioactive here during tapegate.
Then he became a martyr when JSS and the band parted ways.

I think it probably has a lot to do with folks here (this was during my lurking days on MR) mentioning before as to how they wanted to re-record Arrival with Arnel Pineda. Even Neal Schon had mentioned this. To me, that's an equal stab to the band's constitution with Augeri. It really works both ways.

In addition to that, I think it's the realization that Eclipse flopped, everyone came back to Earth, and realized that no matter how good Arnel is or his supporters think he is, he is not the reason Revelation sold so well. He met the same fate with Eclipse that Augeri did with Arrival and Generations, and I believe any post-Perry singer would meet the same fate. I still maintain, agree with me or not, that the success of Revelation, while many want it to be, had no bearing on the lead singer. Had a healthy Augeri or Soto been fronting Journey at the time, with all the publicity from DSB, that album would have been successful. So, I think that now that things have calmed down, people are realizing that any incarnation of Journey without Perry may find some success, and mostly out on tour, but that the singer is irrelevant, and so many are giving Augeri some credit for his time in the band.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...my impression of Cain's "I have the tapes" comment was that Arnel could listen back and learn how to sing them in a live setting.

In two separate interviews now, the band has said they are thinking of re-recording the album. It's as clear as day. No parsing necessary.

[Red13JoePa]

I'll look again but that's not how I read it at all.


Would possibly be the most ludicrous thing they could ever do.

[Red13JoePa]

He met the same fate with Eclipse that Augeri did with Arrival and Generations.

Hardly.
A top 16 debut with over 100k moved vs Generations 188 debut and 1 week on the charts?


And I'm a huge Generations fans but let's not distort.

[RocknRoll]

He met the same fate with Eclipse that Augeri did with Arrival and Generations.

Hardly.
A top 16 debut with over 100k moved vs Generations 188 debut and 1 week on the charts?


And I'm a huge Generations fans but let's not distort.

Most fans received Generations at the concerts and knew they would...these weren't counted as sales,,,so who knows for sure where Generations would have ended up on the charts.

[marco17]

He met the same fate with Eclipse that Augeri did with Arrival and Generations.

Hardly.
A top 16 debut with over 100k moved vs Generations 188 debut and 1 week on the charts?


And I'm a huge Generations fans but let's not distort.

Most fans received Generations at the concerts and knew they would...these weren't counted as sales,,,so who knows for sure where Generations would have ended up on the charts.

Let's not split hairs, I couldn't care less about what did what on what chart, that's not the point. My point is that without the PR machine that was hyping DSB when Revelation came out, it would not have sold what it did, and the singer was irrelevant. No other Journey album post-Perry has been successful, regardless to who the singer is. Because of that, the post Perry vocalists are on a level playing field, and Augeri is getting some cred from people who may not have given it before, or who are just discovering his era, and like the material.

[Red13JoePa]

#16 vs 188 is splitting hairs

[marco17]

#16 vs 188 is splitting hairs

C'mon dude, you know what I am getting at....lol!!!

[steveo777]

When Generations first came out, I heard the quality was so shitty, I decided to steal it. Best investment I ever made.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'll look again but that's not how I read it at all.

Would possibly be the most ludicrous thing they could ever do.

What part of this isn't clear?

Andrew: Sounds good. I heard Arnel talking about Arrival, saying how much he liked the songs on that and it's still a GREAT album.

Schon:Yeah. We actually considered, at one point, Jonathan and I were talking about re-doing some of that stuff as we did with our Greatest Hits. And we felt very strongly about Arrival, too, the material –wise.

Andrew:It's a great album.

Schon:Who knows, you know? Maybe we'll do something like that: maybe we'll dabble into that. We could have done more Greatest Hits 2 with this record…like the other Greatest Hits that we did with Revelation and do the same thing we did last time. We just chose not to, you know. Well, we've definitely started something because now everybody likes the idea of re-doing a greatest hits but, once we got into it, and I realized it wasn't going to be that hard, I said, Why don't we do a full length record? You know, I want to do a new record…as well. So, a lot of people are doing that now.

Andrew:But you're not ruling out doing some re-recordings of Arrival tracks and some other stuff at a later date?

Schon:No, I'm not opposed to that at all. I think we have great material on there, which I think…personally I think Arnel will KILL! Not that Augeri didn't do a good job - he did! But, you know, they are 2 different guys.

[Red13JoePa]

The entire thing isn't clear.
Nowhere in there does it say "We've thought about re-recording Arrival and putting it out." Both Andrew and Neal said "Some rerecordings of Arrival tracks" In which case precedent is there, redid TPIYH and FITH plus the dirty dozen.
But that's different than rerecording the entire album.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The entire thing isn't clear.
Nowhere in there does it say "We've thought about re-recording Arrival and putting it out." Both Andrew and Neal said "Some rerecordings of Arrival tracks" In which case precedent is there, redid TPIYH and FITH plus the dirty dozen.
But that's different than rerecording the entire album.

Whether it's a handful of Arrival tracks or the entire album, it's clear that their intention is not to just rehearse the material for touring, as you suggested. They want to re-record it. Besides, in the other interview (which I can't find), I believe Jon stated that Arnel wanted to re-record the album again. What they should do...is re-collaborate with Jack Blades again, and put out an album worthy of the name Journey. Gens is so-so and Eclipse is quite strong, but Arrival is one of their best albums ever.

[Red13JoePa]

Whether it's a handful of Arrival tracks or the entire album, it's clear that their intention is not to just rehearse the material for touring, as you suggested.

Congratulations, mr prosecutor sir!

They look they neither are reviewing the old tapes just for live rehearsals nor for the purpose of rerecording the whole album. We're both right, both wrong.

[Rick]

I'm with Yoda. Stop dicking around with stuff that's already there. These guys shit melodies for breakfast. Use that talent and expand your catalog. And there are tons of one word album titles left to choose from.

[Argus]

I'm with Yoda. Stop dicking around with stuff that's already there. These guys shit melodies for breakfast. Use that talent and expand your catalog. And there are tons of one word album titles left to choose from.

mhm Resurrection comes to mind [if they re-record Arrival]