Anyone that thinks the OWS movement is admirable....

[S2M]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

[Rick]

Whether or not you care for the Occupiers and their mission, whatever that is (supposedly: "social and economic inequality, high unemployment, greed, as well as corruption, and the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government"), in the current climate of the U.S., the apathy that is so rampant, the blood suckers that are living off the government (I know there are legitimate ones as well), it's good to see someone, anyone standing up for something.

But, what are they standing up for?

Not only that, they're mostly sitting or laying, not standing.

The items I put in parenthesis. Mostly, corporate greed, corporations influence on banking, and how they influence or control government, I would say. They're occupying to protest that.

I absolutely despise the criminal aspect that's been associated with it, and I think they should police themselves much better, but I have no problem with anyone protesting anything such as this. Protesting at military funerals and such, I have a big problem with, but I guess you can't have one without the other, which sucks.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

Wrong there are plenty of folks out there with out jobs or who are underemployed who understand the way to fix these issues is not to destroy other peoples private property and don't feel that others are obligated to them.

It is the governement , not the folks who have acheived in this world that is responsible for the struggles that those folks are experiencing. Its the government that engages in crony capitalism (Solyndra, Fannie, GM, etc) It is the government that creates regulations that big wall street execs and corporations use as a tool to gain unfair advantage and commit agreession against small businesses and ordinary folks. It is the government that has made college so expensive through its funding, distortion of the market, and removal of competion in the education market. It is the government that has torn down the ideal of the reliant individual , held minorities in the slavery of the Welfare State and made folks so dependent upon the government that the only thing they can think of is what they can get from it next.

They ought to be standing up against the government, not capitalism.

I'd have sympathy with anyone from OWS who understands this. But cleary nobody does. Being that most of them are nihilists, its doubtful that they would want to think about the truth of things anyway.

[Michigan Girl]

Yay ..gts...beautifully stated!!

[RossValoryRocks]

If these useless pieces of human debris don't go home soon I fear we're gonna see worse pics than this..



"This Occupy Wall Steet protester suffered a head injury after he knocked off a police officer's hat - and set off a near riot in Zuccotti Park, according to our reporter John Doyle. Photos by Craig Warga/New York Daily News."

It will get worse...much worse...as more and more violent elements drawn by the stupidity of the people protesting currently come to the fore and instead of Occupy <City Name Here> it will be Destroy <City Name Here> sparking riots that will make some of the ones in the late '60s look like Kumbayah moments.

This country is posed to tear itself apart and the Class Warfare idiots are about 80% to blame...the other 20% are the people like Deano that think its fair to take money from someone who has EARNED it and give it carte blanche to someone who hasn't.

[Ehwmatt]

If these useless pieces of human debris don't go home soon I fear we're gonna see worse pics than this..



"This Occupy Wall Steet protester suffered a head injury after he knocked off a police officer's hat - and set off a near riot in Zuccotti Park, according to our reporter John Doyle. Photos by Craig Warga/New York Daily News."

It will get worse...much worse...as more and more violent elements drawn by the stupidity of the people protesting currently come to the fore and instead of Occupy <City Name Here> it will be Destroy <City Name Here> sparking riots that will make some of the ones in the late '60s look like Kumbayah moments.

This country is posed to tear itself apart and the Class Warfare idiots are about 80% to blame...the other 20% are the people like Deano that think its fair to take money from someone who has EARNED it and give it carte blanche to someone who hasn't.

I'm not sure I see how the 20% second group differs from the 80% first group? :/

[S2M]

If these useless pieces of human debris don't go home soon I fear we're gonna see worse pics than this..



"This Occupy Wall Steet protester suffered a head injury after he knocked off a police officer's hat - and set off a near riot in Zuccotti Park, according to our reporter John Doyle. Photos by Craig Warga/New York Daily News."

It will get worse...much worse...as more and more violent elements drawn by the stupidity of the people protesting currently come to the fore and instead of Occupy <City Name Here> it will be Destroy <City Name Here> sparking riots that will make some of the ones in the late '60s look like Kumbayah moments.

This country is posed to tear itself apart and the Class Warfare idiots are about 80% to blame...the other 20% are the people like Deano that think its fair to take money from someone who has EARNED it and give it carte blanche to someone who hasn't.

Oh, you mean like companies that asked for bailouts, and are asking again? Let's get real here....again, more verbal diarrhea from the people who HAVE jobs....

[RossValoryRocks]

If these useless pieces of human debris don't go home soon I fear we're gonna see worse pics than this..



"This Occupy Wall Steet protester suffered a head injury after he knocked off a police officer's hat - and set off a near riot in Zuccotti Park, according to our reporter John Doyle. Photos by Craig Warga/New York Daily News."

It will get worse...much worse...as more and more violent elements drawn by the stupidity of the people protesting currently come to the fore and instead of Occupy <City Name Here> it will be Destroy <City Name Here> sparking riots that will make some of the ones in the late '60s look like Kumbayah moments.

This country is posed to tear itself apart and the Class Warfare idiots are about 80% to blame...the other 20% are the people like Deano that think its fair to take money from someone who has EARNED it and give it carte blanche to someone who hasn't.

Oh, you mean like companies that asked for bailouts, and are asking again? Let's get real here....again, more verbal diarrhea from the people who HAVE jobs....

You think you have a RIGHT to a job??? And I opposed the bailouts from the start underoo boy.

Should companies be FORCED to give people jobs??? Or forced to NOT lay people off in a bad economy??? What's your answer here?

I have been a let go in a mass layoff...I never expected anyone to give me anything, I went out and did whatever kind of job I needed to do to provide for my family (sometimes I worked 2 or 3 shit jobs to make ends meet), I didn't go waste time by "occupying" anything in protest because life isn't fair.

All the energy they have expended could have been spent TRYING to find a job...any job...any two jobs...to help themselves. The jobs are there, if they would spend time to look, but they don't like the jobs available that's the problem.

As for the companies that got bailouts and promptly turned around and gave the money to their shareholders, well that is the fault of the Democrat controlled Congress and Presidents (yes both) Bush and 0bama, not insisting on how the bailout money could be used by the companies that took it.

Also a VAST minorty of companies these idiots are protesting didn't get a DIME in bailouts. But could you be talking about Obama's buddies who have "green" companies??? Get your facts straight bro, and take off the Superman (Sorry Trav!) underoos and if you are going to say someone has verbal diarrhea better take some Imodium AD for your own suck hole first.

[artist4perry]

Nothing that they desire to change is excusing the bad behavior, and the destruction of public property. We will see more, as people get emboldened to see what else they can get away with under the guise of just protesting. Protesting should not include destruction or lawlessness.

[S2M]

Nothing that they desire to change is excusing the bad behavior, and the destruction of public property. We will see more, as people get emboldened to see what else they can get away with under the guise of just protesting. Protesting should not include destruction or lawlessness.

No, but I wouldn't put it past an opposing 'group' to put those destructoids there in order to pull focus away from the original message, and shift the focus to the homeless/destruction/filth....just saying.

The message is lost in this....all people are focusing on is that.

[pinkfloyd1973]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

[S2M]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

[RossValoryRocks]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

[S2M]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

[RossValoryRocks]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

Now here are the questions:

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?
2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?
3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

[Ehwmatt]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

HAHAHAHAHA! I can just picture this scene in my head.

[S2M]

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job? - I believe a person does not have the RIGHT to a job, but in saying that - it follows that if a person cannot get one, they don't deserve to be lambasted for it. People are pretty much screwed, or not the minute they choose their major. Should a person sacrifice a desire to become tree surgeon just because odds are they won't find employment easily? I don't know many students that do projected research into how many nurses will be needed in 4 years, or how that there are more attorneys in school than there are currently practicing. If someone desires a specific vocation they should pursue it.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs? - Absolutely not, but when given bailout money to avoid whatever kind of bankruptcy is being threatened - they shouldn't hand out bonuses to CEOs, and stockholders. Last time I checked the stockmarket was a risk-based endeavor. Did folks recoup their 401ks? And before layoffs, how about the fucking millionaires taking a pay cut? Just saying...

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off? - There are ALWAYS alternative options. But company owners are a greedy lot. They choose to cut staff, overwork the leftovers(overtime)...and in the end wind up re-hiring anyway.

[Rick]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

Now here are the questions:

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?
2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?
3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

Can I take a crack at these? Why, thanks!

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?

If the job is offered and the person meets the criteria, then he should have a shot at it, but it's the employers call.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?

No, but they are forced to hire a certain demographic who may be less skilled than another demographic, and I think that's a horrible thing.

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

No. Operating efficiently should be any company's goal.

Now I would like to ask you some questions, if you don't mind.

1. Should Corporate America have the right to influence government officials with PAC money or other special interest incentives?

2. Should Corporate America be able to influence the banking industry?

3. Do you support corruption in either the banking industry or government?

4. Do you believe there is social and economic inequity in this country? Is it something you're for or against?

5. Do you think Corporate America and the government's policies of sending jobs overseas is partly to blame for high unemployment?

These are, supposedly, what OWS is protesting. While I agree that it's not being carried out well at all, and as I said before, they absolutely need to police themselves better, end the violence, crime and destruction, I absolutely respect some, not all (see: item #4), of the things they're protesting and their right to do so. Just as much as I respect your right to protest them.

[RossValoryRocks]

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job? - I believe a person does not have the RIGHT to a job, but in saying that - it follows that if a person cannot get one, they don't deserve to be lambasted for it. People are pretty much screwed, or not the minute they choose their major. Should a person sacrifice a desire to become tree surgeon just because odds are they won't find employment easily? I don't know many students that do projected research into how many nurses will be needed in 4 years, or how that there are more attorneys in school than there are currently practicing. If someone desires a specific vocation they should pursue it.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs? - Absolutely not, but when given bailout money to avoid whatever kind of bankruptcy is being threatened - they shouldn't hand out bonuses to CEOs, and stockholders. Last time I checked the stockmarket was a risk-based endeavor. Did folks recoup their 401ks? And before layoffs, how about the fucking millionaires taking a pay cut? Just saying...

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off? - There are ALWAYS alternative options. But company owners are a greedy lot. They choose to cut staff, overwork the leftovers(overtime)...and in the end wind up re-hiring anyway.

Ok...I agree with you on 1...mostly...there are jobs, sometimes they suck bad...but there are jobs to be had.

On 2 I don't think any persons compensation should be public, what a person makes is no ones business...UNLESS the government has bailed them out, and they should be forced to give the bailout money first to those who were robbed by said company (Especially companies like BoA and such).

3. A company has no other objective than to make money...as much money as they can, period. Usually the ONLY cost a company has control over in any large way is employee costs. They have the right to cut employees if needed to reach their profit objectives.

As I said, I have been laid off...and there were no jobs (Tech downturn in 2003) that came CLOSE to paying what I was making...I took as many shit jobs as I had to make ends meet. I didn't LIKE getting laid off, but I understood what the company trying to do, and I certainly didn't go protest because I lost my job. My beef is rather than go get a couple of minimum wage jobs they would rather squat on someone elses (for the most part, these are all on private) property shouting slogans, getting high and doing NOTHING...when they could be working doubles at some shitty job, but at least making money to support themselves.

[RossValoryRocks]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

Now here are the questions:

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?
2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?
3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

Can I take a crack at these? Why, thanks!

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?

If the job is offered and the person meets the criteria, then he should have a shot at it, but it's the employers call.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?

No, but they are forced to hire a certain demographic who may be less skilled than another demographic, and I think that's a horrible thing.

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

No. Operating efficiently should be any company's goal.

Now I would like to ask you some questions, if you don't mind.

1. Should Corporate America have the right to influence government officials with PAC money or other special interest incentives?

2. Should Corporate America be able to influence the banking industry?

3. Do you support corruption in either the banking industry or government?

4. Do you believe there is social and economic inequity in this country? Is it something you're for or against?

5. Do you think Corporate America and the government's policies of sending jobs overseas is partly to blame for high unemployment?

These are, supposedly, what OWS is protesting. While I agree that it's not being carried out well at all, and as I said before, they absolutely need to police themselves better, end the violence, crime and destruction, I absolutely respect some, not all (see: item #4), of the things they're protesting and their right to do so. Just as much as I respect your right to protest them.

Ok to your questions:

1. Corporations should have limited access to politicians. As the law sees corporations the same as it sees you and I, they have the same rights. It's really a catch 22 because if they can restrict a companies rights, they care restrict yours and mine.
2. The banking industry?? Or the Federal Reserver (Which I am against).
3. No I hate corruption, period.
4. Yes...and there should be...we are born equal after that it is up to us to make something of ourselves, by and large. And the world needs ditch diggers too.
5. Yes and yes...the biggest travesty is the H1B program. Unions are also to blame for inflating employment costs to the point we are NOT competitive with places like China.

[RossValoryRocks]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

HAHAHAHAHA! I can just picture this scene in my head.

I gave him a big hug after...but declined his offer to cuddle during Faithfully.

[S2M]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

HAHAHAHAHA! I can just picture this scene in my head.

I gave him a big hug after...but declined his offer to cuddle during Faithfully.

Yeah, but you did ask me to turn all the faucets on....

[artist4perry]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

Cool, since your down with their movement and all, we are sending them all to occupy your front and back yard. Got any porto potties?

[conversationpc]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

Cool, since your down with their movement and all, we are sending them all to occupy your front and back yard. Got any porto potties?

The occupiers don't use porto-potties. They go au-natural.

[hoagiepete]

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job? - I believe a person does not have the RIGHT to a job, but in saying that - it follows that if a person cannot get one, they don't deserve to be lambasted for it. People are pretty much screwed, or not the minute they choose their major. Should a person sacrifice a desire to become tree surgeon just because odds are they won't find employment easily? I don't know many students that do projected research into how many nurses will be needed in 4 years, or how that there are more attorneys in school than there are currently practicing. If someone desires a specific vocation they should pursue it.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs? - Absolutely not, but when given bailout money to avoid whatever kind of bankruptcy is being threatened - they shouldn't hand out bonuses to CEOs, and stockholders. Last time I checked the stockmarket was a risk-based endeavor. Did folks recoup their 401ks? And before layoffs, how about the fucking millionaires taking a pay cut? Just saying...

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off? - There are ALWAYS alternative options. But company owners are a greedy lot. They choose to cut staff, overwork the leftovers(overtime)...and in the end wind up re-hiring anyway.

First of all, glad to see you aren't too ashamed to use the term "liberal", unlike the liberal talking heads on tv these days. Cracks me up how they now want to be considered "progressives." Progressive? Huh? Whatever.

Regarding 1. There are tons of data on future jobs when you enter college. They had this 30 years ago. Some careers will become obsolete, no question. If someone studies for a career in which they know there will be limited jobs, they take the risk they won't get a job when they make the decision. Don't bitch about being unemployed if it doesn't work out, you might want to change your strategy/career path. If that's all they do (sit and bitch), they deserve to be ridiculed.

Regarding 2. How many people HAVE their 401k in the stock market? They want to bring down wall street? Well, they'll bring down millions of grandmas and grandpas, working people and white collar both, with them. Said it before, I'll say it again. Cracks me up at our union pension trustee meetings hearing the BA's bitching about corporations and "the man" and then during the investment report, bitch because the fund's investments are doing so well. Come kids, can't have it both ways. Don't forget, "shareholders" are millions of people that have a 401k.

Ragarding 3. Company owners are greedy? Seriously? The ones that put everything they own at risk everyday to live the American Dream...err the old American Dream...I guess the dream now is to successfully have things given to you for free, paid by someone else. The ones that employ people so they can do the same? I risk everything, bust my ass growing a business, bring jobs to a town...fuckin' A, might want a return worth risking everything. Call it greed if you want.

This is rediculous.

[artist4perry]

Liberal Males top concerns.

[artist4perry]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

Cool, since your down with their movement and all, we are sending them all to occupy your front and back yard. Got any porto potties?

The occupiers don't use porto-potties. They go au-natural.

A BIG Pooper scooper then!

[Rick]

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

Infringement is subjective....Cause I could say paying taxes infringes on my ability to keep all my paycheck.

I would actually agree with you on the income tax part...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

This coming from the guy that when he first meets someone, grabs him by the scruff of his shirt and attempts to lift him off the ground? talk about infringement....

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

Now here are the questions:

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?
2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?
3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

Can I take a crack at these? Why, thanks!

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?

If the job is offered and the person meets the criteria, then he should have a shot at it, but it's the employers call.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?

No, but they are forced to hire a certain demographic who may be less skilled than another demographic, and I think that's a horrible thing.

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

No. Operating efficiently should be any company's goal.

Now I would like to ask you some questions, if you don't mind.

1. Should Corporate America have the right to influence government officials with PAC money or other special interest incentives?

2. Should Corporate America be able to influence the banking industry?

3. Do you support corruption in either the banking industry or government?

4. Do you believe there is social and economic inequity in this country? Is it something you're for or against?

5. Do you think Corporate America and the government's policies of sending jobs overseas is partly to blame for high unemployment?

These are, supposedly, what OWS is protesting. While I agree that it's not being carried out well at all, and as I said before, they absolutely need to police themselves better, end the violence, crime and destruction, I absolutely respect some, not all (see: item #4), of the things they're protesting and their right to do so. Just as much as I respect your right to protest them.

Ok to your questions:

1. Corporations should have limited access to politicians. As the law sees corporations the same as it sees you and I, they have the same rights. It's really a catch 22 because if they can restrict a companies rights, they care restrict yours and mine.
2. The banking industry?? Or the Federal Reserver (Which I am against).
3. No I hate corruption, period.
4. Yes...and there should be...we are born equal after that it is up to us to make something of ourselves, by and large. And the world needs ditch diggers too.
5. Yes and yes...the biggest travesty is the H1B program. Unions are also to blame for inflating employment costs to the point we are NOT competitive with places like China.

What I read said banking industry.

I agree with you to an extent on the unions statement in that they cost companies money with the bureaucracy bullshit, but I do believe in a well run union that doesn't. I work in a union job, and we make no more and are benefited the same as our non-union counterparts. Union shops do, however, help their non-union counterparts attain that pay and benefit level. I do not, on any level, think employees of this country should be paid and benefited like our Chinese counterparts. I don't know how anyone would want that.

If a single worker has to hold 3 jobs to make ends meet, then there are 2 jobs that are not on the job market and unemployment goes up. I think it only works if each working man can make a decent living wage, and that can only work if there is some entity, like a labor union, to facilitate that. Otherwise, and I don't blame them, companies would pay much less in pay and benefits. But that doesn't pay the bills or send kids to college.

There are only so many college level jobs to be had, and the rest are labor, sales, and what have you. Around 41 percent of jobs in this country are jobs that don't require college. If there are roughly 150 million people in the American workforce, then 41 percent of that is roughly 61 or 62 million people. If, in the job market, there is 1 job for every 1 working person, ideally, and if 25 percent of those people had to take even 2 of those jobs, that puts between 7 and 8 million people out of work. And, when a college educated person is working a job that requires a college degree that pays peanuts and has to hold a second job, then it gets much worse.

I'm all for the 40 hour work week at a job that pays a decent living wage. You may call that socialism or whatever, but I call it building a country with citizens that have buying power. Because, without that, what happens to this country? A recessed economy and high unemployment.

That's the way I see it anyway, with my rose colored union glasses on.

[RossValoryRocks]

What I read said banking industry.

I agree with you to an extent on the unions statement in that they cost companies money with the bureaucracy bullshit, but I do believe in a well run union that doesn't. I work in a union job, and we make no more and are benefited the same as our non-union counterparts. Union shops do, however, help their non-union counterparts attain that pay and benefit level. I do not, on any level, think employees of this country should be paid and benefited like our Chinese counterparts. I don't know how anyone would want that.

If a single worker has to hold 3 jobs to make ends meet, then there are 2 jobs that are not on the job market and unemployment goes up. I think it only works if each working man can make a decent living wage, and that can only work if there is some entity, like a labor union, to facilitate that. Otherwise, and I don't blame them, companies would pay much less in pay and benefits. But that doesn't pay the bills or send kids to college.

There are only so many college level jobs to be had, and the rest are labor, sales, and what have you. Around 41 percent of jobs in this country are jobs that don't require college. If there are roughly 150 million people in the American workforce, then 41 percent of that is roughly 61 or 62 million people. If, in the job market, there is 1 job for every 1 working person, ideally, and if 25 percent of those people had to take even 2 of those jobs, that puts between 7 and 8 million people out of work. And, when a college educated person is working a job that requires a college degree that pays peanuts and has to hold a second job, then it gets much worse.

I'm all for the 40 hour work week at a job that pays a decent living wage. You may call that socialism or whatever, but I call it building a country with citizens that have buying power. Because, without that, what happens to this country? A recessed economy and high unemployment.

That's the way I see it anyway, with my rose colored union glasses on.

Your numbers, while illustrative to a point, ignore the single biggest fact of the economy...when the economy is rolling more and more jobs are created, when the unemployment rate approaches 5% that is as about as full employment as you can realistically get, because of how the calculate that rate about that percentage is always not working, but still considered part of the work force. There are jobs out there, lots of jobs, just not up the level these idiots protesting feel is their "due".

The Federal Reserve IS the banking industry...they control it all...the single greatest mistake was having a central bank in this country...many of our founding fathers and early Presidents (Andrew Jackson for one) knew what a danger a central bank represented, Wilson, who SIGNED the damn Federal Reserve act said on his death bed it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.

I think everyone has a right to seek good, gainful employment, but to madate wages based on the outcome (i.e. living wage) when many jobs that pay minimum wage are WORTH that wage and erode the profits of companies which ends up hurting our economy far more than if that person was paid less.

[Rick]

What I read said banking industry.

I agree with you to an extent on the unions statement in that they cost companies money with the bureaucracy bullshit, but I do believe in a well run union that doesn't. I work in a union job, and we make no more and are benefited the same as our non-union counterparts. Union shops do, however, help their non-union counterparts attain that pay and benefit level. I do not, on any level, think employees of this country should be paid and benefited like our Chinese counterparts. I don't know how anyone would want that.

If a single worker has to hold 3 jobs to make ends meet, then there are 2 jobs that are not on the job market and unemployment goes up. I think it only works if each working man can make a decent living wage, and that can only work if there is some entity, like a labor union, to facilitate that. Otherwise, and I don't blame them, companies would pay much less in pay and benefits. But that doesn't pay the bills or send kids to college.

There are only so many college level jobs to be had, and the rest are labor, sales, and what have you. Around 41 percent of jobs in this country are jobs that don't require college. If there are roughly 150 million people in the American workforce, then 41 percent of that is roughly 61 or 62 million people. If, in the job market, there is 1 job for every 1 working person, ideally, and if 25 percent of those people had to take even 2 of those jobs, that puts between 7 and 8 million people out of work. And, when a college educated person is working a job that requires a college degree that pays peanuts and has to hold a second job, then it gets much worse.

I'm all for the 40 hour work week at a job that pays a decent living wage. You may call that socialism or whatever, but I call it building a country with citizens that have buying power. Because, without that, what happens to this country? A recessed economy and high unemployment.

That's the way I see it anyway, with my rose colored union glasses on.

Your numbers, while illustrative to a point, ignore the single biggest fact of the economy...when the economy is rolling more and more jobs are created, when the unemployment rate approaches 5% that is as about as full employment as you can realistically get, because of how the calculate that rate about that percentage is always not working, but still considered part of the work force. There are jobs out there, lots of jobs, just not up the level these idiots protesting feel is their "due".

The Federal Reserve IS the banking industry...they control it all...the single greatest mistake was having a central bank in this country...many of our founding fathers and early Presidents (Andrew Jackson for one) knew what a danger a central bank represented, Wilson, who SIGNED the damn Federal Reserve act said on his death bed it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.

I think everyone has a right to seek good, gainful employment, but to mandate wages based on the outcome (i.e. living wage) when many jobs that pay minimum wage are WORTH that wage and erode the profits of companies which ends up hurting our economy far more than if that person was paid less.

I should have specified career jobs and not car washers or taking tickets at a movie theater. Certainly there are those, and those are great for school or college kids, or senior citizens that just want something to do. I realize my thoughts are very idealistic, but a system like that seems like one that would work. We wouldn't have to rely on China or India or "Made In The USA" Guam to provide inexpensive, cheaply made products, because with the buying power this country would have, industry in this country should flourish.