Anyone that thinks the OWS movement is admirable....

[RossValoryRocks]

What I read said banking industry.

I agree with you to an extent on the unions statement in that they cost companies money with the bureaucracy bullshit, but I do believe in a well run union that doesn't. I work in a union job, and we make no more and are benefited the same as our non-union counterparts. Union shops do, however, help their non-union counterparts attain that pay and benefit level. I do not, on any level, think employees of this country should be paid and benefited like our Chinese counterparts. I don't know how anyone would want that.

If a single worker has to hold 3 jobs to make ends meet, then there are 2 jobs that are not on the job market and unemployment goes up. I think it only works if each working man can make a decent living wage, and that can only work if there is some entity, like a labor union, to facilitate that. Otherwise, and I don't blame them, companies would pay much less in pay and benefits. But that doesn't pay the bills or send kids to college.

There are only so many college level jobs to be had, and the rest are labor, sales, and what have you. Around 41 percent of jobs in this country are jobs that don't require college. If there are roughly 150 million people in the American workforce, then 41 percent of that is roughly 61 or 62 million people. If, in the job market, there is 1 job for every 1 working person, ideally, and if 25 percent of those people had to take even 2 of those jobs, that puts between 7 and 8 million people out of work. And, when a college educated person is working a job that requires a college degree that pays peanuts and has to hold a second job, then it gets much worse.

I'm all for the 40 hour work week at a job that pays a decent living wage. You may call that socialism or whatever, but I call it building a country with citizens that have buying power. Because, without that, what happens to this country? A recessed economy and high unemployment.

That's the way I see it anyway, with my rose colored union glasses on.

Your numbers, while illustrative to a point, ignore the single biggest fact of the economy...when the economy is rolling more and more jobs are created, when the unemployment rate approaches 5% that is as about as full employment as you can realistically get, because of how the calculate that rate about that percentage is always not working, but still considered part of the work force. There are jobs out there, lots of jobs, just not up the level these idiots protesting feel is their "due".

The Federal Reserve IS the banking industry...they control it all...the single greatest mistake was having a central bank in this country...many of our founding fathers and early Presidents (Andrew Jackson for one) knew what a danger a central bank represented, Wilson, who SIGNED the damn Federal Reserve act said on his death bed it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.

I think everyone has a right to seek good, gainful employment, but to mandate wages based on the outcome (i.e. living wage) when many jobs that pay minimum wage are WORTH that wage and erode the profits of companies which ends up hurting our economy far more than if that person was paid less.

I should have specified career jobs and not car washers or taking tickets at a movie theater. Certainly there are those, and those are great for school or college kids, or senior citizens that just want something to do. I realize my thoughts are very idealistic, but a system like that seems like one that would work. We wouldn't have to rely on China or India or "Made In The USA" Guam to provide inexpensive, cheaply made products, because with the buying power this country would have, industry in this country should flourish.

Our wage basis is way too high...we cannot compete, even if every job uin the US was minimum wage, with workers who make a $1 a day...even with import tarrifs the cost of those good is cheaper than we can produce it here...which is why we have almost no manufacturing left in this country.

[Rockindeano]

...but in this case the law is specific on whos rights are getting infringed, it's not the Occupy idiots.

Wow, how compassionate of you, Jughead. Idiots? A large group of people trying to change a conversation, bring a spotlight over to their cause, expose an economic injustice in this country, then by all means Stewey, fire away. And yes, I called you Stewey. I am allowed to.
There is NO question in my mind you are a bigger pussy deep down, than your exterior United States Marine uniform shows. I called you a pussy because you are a compassionate guy. For those of you who are wondering what the fuck I am getting at, read on:

In 2007, Lula gave birth to identical twins. Due to complications in the pregnacy, we lost one of our babies, Trevor, to a heart failure. We had some wonderful friends come into Santa Monica, CA for his funeral. We had local folks attend, some people from an hour away, and of course the Bay Area Twins, Lora and Cyndy flew south to be with us. We all know how wonderful those two are; anyway, this big assed walking dildo looking cucumber from Pennsylvania didn't even contemplate expense, time off work or his own family. Within just a few hours, he was on a westbound bird, enroute to LAX. Stuart really opened my eyes that weekend, and frankly got me through that tough time. That meant the world to me Stu, and I will never forget. I can never thank you enough for that.

The arguments here over politics and some has been band that some here talk about, are just that, arguments. Stu might come across as an internet tough guy Marine, full of shrapnel and harm, but truth is he is a softee where it counts- in his big heart, and trust me it is big. That's why I sometimes scratch my head at not only your politics Stewy, but at some of your writings here. This hard right stance you emplore isn't you; it is some kind of facade you erected. It's ok to care about the less unfortunate. It's ok to want to help those who cannot help themselves. They are your brothers and your sisters. Hell Stu, you wore the uniform as did I; you fought for not only Bill Gates and Warren Buffet(He owns the BNSF Railway- I gave him a 10 hour overnight ride in a private car he rode in, tacked onto the back of an regular Amtrak train(LAX-Chicago)..hope my trainhandling skills were good for his sake!), the very rich, but you also fought for stevew2 and Everett too, the piss poor, along with every homeless idiot in this country. Those thoughts went through my dome continuously as i trained in Georgia- i can remember crawling under barbed wire fencing, sand accumulaying in my crotch, entering my dickhole, and then having little critters roam free in my private region...all this going on, and i was thinking, or hoping rather, that my fellow countrymen and women appreciate a soldier's efforts. They always say they do. they always "thank you" for your service, but in my mind, most don't give a shit about the soldier. However, again, as I was busting my ass in Desert Storm, I was proud to have been a soldier representing bill from Cheyenne, Sally from spokane, lakeisha from trenton, Bubba from Hattiesberg, mika from seattle and a homeless fella from Milwaukee. To me, they were all worth working hard for. Now I know some fellow soldiers, who definitely did not share my views. He hated Niggers and told me and everyone else so; he was from the South(no surprise there). There were many of these assholes, and also, there were a few black guys who didn't like white folks, and that is just as bad, if not worse. Being racist, regardless of which direction you swing the hammer, is flat out wrong.

Anyway, what was I saying? (special thank you to Steve Perry)

These protesters are definitely NOT idiots. I would wager that the IQ's of the OWS are much higher than a tea party gathering in Tampa. The behaviour of some these OWS'ers is deplorable. Taking a Sandusky on a public sidewalk is not funny, nor cool, but it is ONE guy people. He is no worse than some of the Tea baggers calling Black democratis senators Niggers.

Still haven't answered my questions about either dude. If you are gonna pop off, at least back it up.

I have NEVER dodged a question here nor anywhere. perhaps I should have on more than one occasion.

As we speak, the Occupy Movement is disrupting traffic and blocking bridges in downtown Chicago....I support the their right to protest, only until it infringes on the rights of others

I agree with you PF73. if you read the 1st Amendment, it states that you have the right to protest, but the key word is to protest "peacefully." This applies to ALL protesters, be it OWS, Tea Party, UAW Strikers, Grocery picketers, etc. Also, disrupting traffic IMO, could also mean to me as obstructing Commerce. LOL, you don't see people congregating and protesting railroads by standing on the right of way! To block traffic intersections is just wrong. What if there was an ambulance with a person near death trying to get through to the hospital? what if there was a pregnant lady in that ambulance?

Oh for fucks sake...I was kidding and you know it...I did the same to Trav...what are you some kind of baby??? And it has nothing to do with the subject.

He's right Sean. If you are seriously bitching about how Stewy delivers a salutation, then you need to just go to another board, say maybe a ladies forum.

1. Do you believe that a person has a right to a job?

- Definitely not, BUT, a person has a right to a FAIR SHOT at opportunity for that job, and sadly, this doesn't happen in this country, due to blatant racism. That is why there is Affirmative Action in place. a truly "bad policy" that is even worsely needed to ensure that racist employers do not discriminate. I have lost out on a great job because I am white...but i understood the reason, and i am fine with it.

2. Should companies be forced to give people jobs?

- Nope.

3. Should companies be forced to not lay people off?

-Nope


In conclusion, and you can laugh all you want, this protest helps Democrats politically. If they do this right, align themselves with the movement properly, and thusly attach the GOP to the 1%, which it does support, it's going to be a rough election for the GOP next year. Seriously, karl rove can only manipulate and rig so many voting machines. If the election spans more than one real close call state, they (GOP), can't steal the election like they did in Florida.

[G.I.Jim]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting.

[Rick]

What I read said banking industry.

I agree with you to an extent on the unions statement in that they cost companies money with the bureaucracy bullshit, but I do believe in a well run union that doesn't. I work in a union job, and we make no more and are benefited the same as our non-union counterparts. Union shops do, however, help their non-union counterparts attain that pay and benefit level. I do not, on any level, think employees of this country should be paid and benefited like our Chinese counterparts. I don't know how anyone would want that.

If a single worker has to hold 3 jobs to make ends meet, then there are 2 jobs that are not on the job market and unemployment goes up. I think it only works if each working man can make a decent living wage, and that can only work if there is some entity, like a labor union, to facilitate that. Otherwise, and I don't blame them, companies would pay much less in pay and benefits. But that doesn't pay the bills or send kids to college.

There are only so many college level jobs to be had, and the rest are labor, sales, and what have you. Around 41 percent of jobs in this country are jobs that don't require college. If there are roughly 150 million people in the American workforce, then 41 percent of that is roughly 61 or 62 million people. If, in the job market, there is 1 job for every 1 working person, ideally, and if 25 percent of those people had to take even 2 of those jobs, that puts between 7 and 8 million people out of work. And, when a college educated person is working a job that requires a college degree that pays peanuts and has to hold a second job, then it gets much worse.

I'm all for the 40 hour work week at a job that pays a decent living wage. You may call that socialism or whatever, but I call it building a country with citizens that have buying power. Because, without that, what happens to this country? A recessed economy and high unemployment.

That's the way I see it anyway, with my rose colored union glasses on.

Your numbers, while illustrative to a point, ignore the single biggest fact of the economy...when the economy is rolling more and more jobs are created, when the unemployment rate approaches 5% that is as about as full employment as you can realistically get, because of how the calculate that rate about that percentage is always not working, but still considered part of the work force. There are jobs out there, lots of jobs, just not up the level these idiots protesting feel is their "due".

The Federal Reserve IS the banking industry...they control it all...the single greatest mistake was having a central bank in this country...many of our founding fathers and early Presidents (Andrew Jackson for one) knew what a danger a central bank represented, Wilson, who SIGNED the damn Federal Reserve act said on his death bed it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.

I think everyone has a right to seek good, gainful employment, but to mandate wages based on the outcome (i.e. living wage) when many jobs that pay minimum wage are WORTH that wage and erode the profits of companies which ends up hurting our economy far more than if that person was paid less.

I should have specified career jobs and not car washers or taking tickets at a movie theater. Certainly there are those, and those are great for school or college kids, or senior citizens that just want something to do. I realize my thoughts are very idealistic, but a system like that seems like one that would work. We wouldn't have to rely on China or India or "Made In The USA" Guam to provide inexpensive, cheaply made products, because with the buying power this country would have, industry in this country should flourish.

Our wage basis is way too high...we cannot compete, even if every job in the US was minimum wage, with workers who make a $1 a day...even with import tariffs the cost of those good is cheaper than we can produce it here...which is why we have almost no manufacturing left in this country.

We had manufacturing by the assload until we were sold down the river by corporations who wanted cheaper labor so the fat cats could get fatter. Corporate America is destroying this country for the benefit of the very few.

[conversationpc]

Our wage basis is way too high...we cannot compete, even if every job in the US was minimum wage, with workers who make a $1 a day...even with import tariffs the cost of those good is cheaper than we can produce it here...which is why we have almost no manufacturing left in this country.

We had manufacturing by the assload until we were sold down the river by corporations who wanted cheaper labor so the fat cats could get fatter. Corporate America is destroying this country for the benefit of the very few.[/quote]

Sorry, but the unions are also partly to blame. Overall compensation (including some pretty outrageous pension plans besides the wages) play a huge part in corporations in America not being able to compete with foreign companies.

[Rick]

Our wage basis is way too high...we cannot compete, even if every job in the US was minimum wage, with workers who make a $1 a day...even with import tariffs the cost of those good is cheaper than we can produce it here...which is why we have almost no manufacturing left in this country.

We had manufacturing by the assload until we were sold down the river by corporations who wanted cheaper labor so the fat cats could get fatter. Corporate America is destroying this country for the benefit of the very few.

Sorry, but the unions are also partly to blame. Overall compensation (including some pretty outrageous pension plans besides the wages) play a huge part in corporations in America not being able to compete with foreign companies.

My problem with competing with other countries is that if we do that long enough, we're going to be in the exact same shape, where pay and benefits are concerned, as they are. I don't want to live like they do in China.

[Ehwmatt]

Sorry, but the unions are also partly to blame. Overall compensation (including some pretty outrageous pension plans besides the wages) play a huge part in corporations in America not being able to compete with foreign companies.

Public sector bargaining bothers me more than private sector bargaining. In the private sector, there's at least an illusory cap on what unions can demand from their employers based on the private market competition. Governments can (theoretically) just print money, the unions know this, and thus we get the absurd public CBAs.

At any rate, the thing I find most difficult to reconcile is the just cause employment term in every CBA I've ever heard of in my life. I just don't understand why in the world an assembly line worker, school teacher, cop, or any other union employee would need to be anything other than at-will when hordes of private sector professionals handling (often more complex and higher stakes work)* are at-will.

Just cause employment terms, coupled with fucked-up "no questions asked" seniority systems, have led to a lot of the negative public perceptions about unions and a lot of wasteful employees.

* Cops/firefighters etc have very "high stakes" work. I realize this. But your average unionized employees unloading boxes, putting parts on/off the line, etc just don't have much room to screw up their jobs unless they're flat out lazy.

[Rockindeano]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

:

You're just a southerner who doesn't know better.

I am not even going to respond to you. Just make sure you don't miss the Rush and Sean shows.

Pathetic


Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting. :roll :

You mean the woman, a Tea Bagger, who claimed she was raped by a black man, a Democrat....which turned out to completely made up?
Tea Baggers are scum of the worst kind of human trash possible. They aren't too bright either. But that's ok, they are going to get whacked next year at the ballot box, and deservedly so- they are most responsible for the shit going on right now.

[Rockindeano]

Sorry, but the unions are also partly to blame. Overall compensation (including some pretty outrageous pension plans besides the wages) play a huge part in corporations in America not being able to compete with foreign companies.

This is very true, and I am a union worker. I have been involved with three unions my working life, United Transportation Union, Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and now the Food and Commercial Workers Union. Dave is 100% correct. Some of the demands they mandate are outrageous. You have assholes on BOTH sides. Greedy Corporate sonsofbitches who want you to work like niggers, err, slaves, and then you have unions, who protect some of the shittiest "workers" known to man. It sucks.

[Rockindeano]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting.

I am responding to this seperately, again. Where the fuck did I say they were protesting racism? I can't find it anywhere. learn how to read.

Secondly, if I were you, I'd be careful spouting off about college graduates "owing" the country in the form of student loans. You're a career military man for Christ Sake. Some people argue that being in the military is damn close to "emplyed welfare." You only have a 20 year career, the job itself is a fuckin breeze, and you cost the taxpayer a ton of fuckin money. oh yeah, their should be a shit ton of bases closed down across the nation, for the simple reason we don't need them, nor can we afford them, but people are afraid to speak out against those in uniform, and Congress especially is frightened of closing bases in their home districts because it's guaranteed employment, paid by, wait for it....wait for it....ding ding ding, the Government! You know, that entity you stupid fuckin Tea Baggers love to hate. Our money would be much more wisely spent on putting people in uniform to work rebuilding the countries infrastructure, rather than having people "go to work" in empty, retired airplane hangars, doing absolutely nothing. By that I mean, they do nothing. Walk around, drink coffee, check the air in a humvee, fill out a form somewhere, schedule a weekend excercise(rent motel space out in the boonies for soldiers to party in), and clean m16's. Remember Jim, I have been in the US military, an actual combat unit, in which we DID deploy overseas.

Now, before you blow a gasket and your head comes steaming off, i would like to say although everything I just typed about soldiers being more or less of taxpayer dollars, I for one have no problem keeping them where they are, until we as a society/nation, can find an industry(perhaps green jobs), where unneeded soldiers can transfer over into). I do not advocate tearing down bases-yet.

[artist4perry]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

:

You're just a southerner who doesn't know better.

I am not even going to respond to you. Just make sure you don't miss the Rush and Sean shows.

Pathetic


Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting. :roll :

You mean the woman, a Tea Bagger, who claimed she was raped by a black man, a Democrat....which turned out to completely made up?
Tea Baggers are scum of the worst kind of human trash possible. They aren't too bright either. But that's ok, they are going to get whacked next year at the ballot box, and deservedly so- they are most responsible for the shit going on right now.

I was a tea party person. So were a lot of other folks here, and not one of them ranting racist epitaphs, or raping at will. To even compare the Occupiers and Tea party movement is a joke. Occupiers do what they do regardless of laws, rights, or reason. The tea party movement I was involved in was everyday folks, of all races Deano........... they were peaceful, and we did not stop people from going to work, defaecate and urinate on the ground, and leave a general disastrous mess. You go on and on about the tea party people, they were demonized by the media.......Nazis, terrorists, etc..... and you praise these deadbeats? Deano man I love ya but I don't get ya. If tea partiers had done half of the stuff the Occupiers have done you would have them shot on sight.........unbelievable!

[Ehwmatt]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting.

I am responding to this seperately, again. Where the fuck did I say they were protesting racism? I can't find it anywhere. learn how to read.

Secondly, if I were you, I'd be careful spouting off about college graduates "owing" the country in the form of student loans. You're a career military man for Christ Sake. Some people argue that being in the military is damn close to "emplyed welfare." You only have a 20 year career, the job itself is a fuckin breeze, and you cost the taxpayer a ton of fuckin money. oh yeah, their should be a shit ton of bases closed down across the nation, for the simple reason we don't need them, nor can we afford them, but people are afraid to speak out against those in uniform, and Congress especially is frightened of closing bases in their home districts because it's guaranteed employment, paid by, wait for it....wait for it....ding ding ding, the Government! You know, that entity you stupid fuckin Tea Baggers love to hate. Our money would be much more wisely spent on putting people in uniform to work rebuilding the countries infrastructure, rather than having people "go to work" in empty, retired airplane hangars, doing absolutely nothing. By that I mean, they do nothing. Walk around, drink coffee, check the air in a humvee, fill out a form somewhere, schedule a weekend excercise(rent motel space out in the boonies for soldiers to party in), and clean m16's. Remember Jim, I have been in the US military, an actual combat unit, in which we DID deploy overseas.

Now, before you blow a gasket and your head comes steaming off, i would like to say although everything I just typed about soldiers being more or less of taxpayer dollars, I for one have no problem keeping them where they are, until we as a society/nation, can find an industry(perhaps green jobs), where unneeded soldiers can transfer over into). I do not advocate tearing down bases-yet.

Hm, if it were really that easy, why isn't every able-bodied 18-20something at OWS "joining up" as we speak? Must mean they're lazier than we even realized!

[brandonx76]

Woah...Deano, why propagate the racist statement, I'm board with your sentiments - mostly...Right wrong or indifferent, I think Rush Limbaugh may have hit the needle on the head, Compassion is a dangerous word (he calls it disastrous)....the right wingers seem to be able to broad stroke the notion of welfare or Affirmative Action as inherently evil and wrong...I DO think hiring the wrong person for the job just to fill a quota is bullshit in practice, but let's separate out the serious jobs vs. the 'anyone with a pulse' need apply role...everyone deserves a shot at those. just some thoughts, good discussion here, glad to hear some counter balance.

[hoagiepete]

They have to be spoiled kids living with their parents. Remember, according to Obama (care), your a kid til 26.

[ebake02]

Judging by those homes, these protesters are the top 1% that these people keep bitching about.

[Ehwmatt]

Those homes above don't surprise me at all. It lends even more credence to my theory a page back: these kids are pissed knowing they can't continue the gravy train ride they were on their whole lives after going to <insert mid-tier private school because they weren't smart enough for Ivy league here> and majoring in something stupid like philosophy with crappy grades.

They know they fucked up and they know their parents failed them by spoiling them to the point where they never realized that someday, they'd have to do their part if they hoped to continue living that lifestyle. Now, they're realizing it. And it makes them mad because they've been used to this lifestyle their whole lives.

That's the profile of the protesters around here that I know. So it doesn't surprise me.

[G.I.Jim]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting.

I am responding to this seperately, again. Where the fuck did I say they were protesting racism? I can't find it anywhere. learn how to read.

Secondly, if I were you, I'd be careful spouting off about college graduates "owing" the country in the form of student loans. You're a career military man for Christ Sake. Some people argue that being in the military is damn close to "emplyed welfare." You only have a 20 year career, the job itself is a fuckin breeze, and you cost the taxpayer a ton of fuckin money. oh yeah, their should be a shit ton of bases closed down across the nation, for the simple reason we don't need them, nor can we afford them, but people are afraid to speak out against those in uniform, and Congress especially is frightened of closing bases in their home districts because it's guaranteed employment, paid by, wait for it....wait for it....ding ding ding, the Government! You know, that entity you stupid fuckin Tea Baggers love to hate. Our money would be much more wisely spent on putting people in uniform to work rebuilding the countries infrastructure, rather than having people "go to work" in empty, retired airplane hangars, doing absolutely nothing. By that I mean, they do nothing. Walk around, drink coffee, check the air in a humvee, fill out a form somewhere, schedule a weekend excercise(rent motel space out in the boonies for soldiers to party in), and clean m16's. Remember Jim, I have been in the US military, an actual combat unit, in which we DID deploy overseas.

Now, before you blow a gasket and your head comes steaming off, i would like to say although everything I just typed about soldiers being more or less of taxpayer dollars, I for one have no problem keeping them where they are, until we as a society/nation, can find an industry(perhaps green jobs), where unneeded soldiers can transfer over into). I do not advocate tearing down bases-yet.

You are correct. You did not state that they are protesting because of racism. I read your BS comment about racism and linked it to your support of the OWS movement. I read through it quickly and assumed that's what you were talking about. I am as you know, a dumbass redneck from the south (although I spent 11 years in Canada, and 8 years in Oregon while I was growing up).

I appreciate your military service, and I thank you for deploying for your country (although you never wanted to and hate the military). I have NOT deployed after 20 years of service, but it's how my hand played out. I joined the Army National Guard in 1991 to GO to Desert Storm. I even enlisted in the Infantry as I thought that would get me over there the quickest. I completed my training, went through desert training, and my unit was scheduled to deploy. When we got back from training, they cancelled our deployment and started bringing soldiers home.

I then joined the Active Army. After I completed my tour, I ended up going back in the National Guard as an engineer. I went with that unit to Honduras and helped rebuild a community after Hurricane Mitch in 1998. Soon after, I joined Recruiting. I was in Recruiting on Sept 11, 2001 and saw the planes hit the towers on the news like everyone else. At the time, I was mad as HELL and wanted to go over there and kick ass like everyone else. Our command at that time informed us that our mission was right here in recruiting, and they wouldn't let any of us deploy. This was the case for several years. I accepted my mission as a recruiter, as I know that my roll here was very important.

About 3 years ago, our new commander told us that we could volunteer and go with our units on deployment, but with my family situation now, I've decided to wait until my son finishes High School. I WILL be deploying after my son graduates, but my place is here until then.

So while you bring up that I've served for 20 years without deploying and that is correct, I AM proud of this country and our military and can't wait to get out on a deployment. I wish you shared the same sentiment about our military.

Also, I didn't say that college students "OWE" the country with their student loans. They owe the fucking creditors they borrowed the money from! THEY are the ones who say WE, and THE GOVERNMENT owe it to them to pay back their loans fucknut!

As far as your "military is the next closest thing to employed welfare" comment... You should be ashamed and go fuck yourself! These men and women are signing up (many because they can't find any other work) with the chance of being deployed, and killed to protect their country. You really are disgusting Deano, and I don't know why you ever even put on the uniform to begin with.

If you think all I do is walk around, drink coffee, and check the tires on a hummvee, I've got some serious news for you. I've missed many important things in my child's life, as well as important things with my family (graduations, etc..) because of this job, and while I absolutely LOVE it, it has been a burden. I DO make very good money, and I'm not complaining at all. I have been blessed. To me though, the most rewarding thing I get out of this job are letters from soldiers who I've enlisted that have been deployed, or they are going through training, and they take the time to send me letters thanking me for what I have helped them accomplish in their lives.

So... you haven't even touched on the differences between the OWS movement, and the Tea Party movement. I'm still waiting to see the videos or pictures of the dumb-ass redneck Tea Party movement destroying vehicles, raping, drugging up, and destroying millions of dollars of property. Lets see it big boy.

BTW,,, I think if I ever see you, I am going to punch you square in the fucking balls as hard as I can!!! Afterwards, I'll put you in a choke hold and buy you a beer you crazy fuck!

[artist4perry]

Crap on his front lawn so he won't feel left out of the "movement".

[Rick]

[AlteredDNA]

Three and a Half Days

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0OcHh ... ransparent

[Rockindeano]

Dean, you are absolutely SLAYING me. So the OWS movement is protesting racism? That's why people can't get jobs in this country? I don't recall seeing many black protesters on the news... I don't see many of them complaining. I see lazy ass white bums with a college degree who now think the country OWES them a job. We OWE it to them to pay back their student loans. Like Matt said earlier, if you get a bullshit degree in some useless field, you're not going to get a damn job. Just having a fucking piece of paper in your hands doesn't mean you can get a job.

If these ass clowns spent HALF as much energy on getting a job as they are destroying public property and land right now, they'd probably be employed.

And to say it was only 1 guy? Give me a fucking break! These people have caused MILLIONS of dollars in damage in cities across the country.

Also, the statement about a Tea party protester calling blacks "Niggers" is B.S. He was a democrat who planted himself with the Tea party to smear their message. Show me footage of the Tea Party protesters destroying public property, raping, having sex, leaving trash, needles and drug paraphernalia laying around. Disgusting.

I am responding to this seperately, again. Where the fuck did I say they were protesting racism? I can't find it anywhere. learn how to read.

Secondly, if I were you, I'd be careful spouting off about college graduates "owing" the country in the form of student loans. You're a career military man for Christ Sake. Some people argue that being in the military is damn close to "emplyed welfare." You only have a 20 year career, the job itself is a fuckin breeze, and you cost the taxpayer a ton of fuckin money. oh yeah, their should be a shit ton of bases closed down across the nation, for the simple reason we don't need them, nor can we afford them, but people are afraid to speak out against those in uniform, and Congress especially is frightened of closing bases in their home districts because it's guaranteed employment, paid by, wait for it....wait for it....ding ding ding, the Government! You know, that entity you stupid fuckin Tea Baggers love to hate. Our money would be much more wisely spent on putting people in uniform to work rebuilding the countries infrastructure, rather than having people "go to work" in empty, retired airplane hangars, doing absolutely nothing. By that I mean, they do nothing. Walk around, drink coffee, check the air in a humvee, fill out a form somewhere, schedule a weekend excercise(rent motel space out in the boonies for soldiers to party in), and clean m16's. Remember Jim, I have been in the US military, an actual combat unit, in which we DID deploy overseas.

Now, before you blow a gasket and your head comes steaming off, i would like to say although everything I just typed about soldiers being more or less of taxpayer dollars, I for one have no problem keeping them where they are, until we as a society/nation, can find an industry(perhaps green jobs), where unneeded soldiers can transfer over into). I do not advocate tearing down bases-yet.

You are correct. You did not state that they are protesting because of racism. I read your BS comment about racism and linked it to your support of the OWS movement. I read through it quickly and assumed that's what you were talking about. I am as you know, a dumbass redneck from the south (although I spent 11 years in Canada, and 8 years in Oregon while I was growing up).

I appreciate your military service, and I thank you for deploying for your country (although you never wanted to and hate the military). I have NOT deployed after 20 years of service, but it's how my hand played out. I joined the Army National Guard in 1991 to GO to Desert Storm. I even enlisted in the Infantry as I thought that would get me over there the quickest. I completed my training, went through desert training, and my unit was scheduled to deploy. When we got back from training, they cancelled our deployment and started bringing soldiers home.

I then joined the Active Army. After I completed my tour, I ended up going back in the National Guard as an engineer. I went with that unit to Honduras and helped rebuild a community after Hurricane Mitch in 1998. Soon after, I joined Recruiting. I was in Recruiting on Sept 11, 2001 and saw the planes hit the towers on the news like everyone else. At the time, I was mad as HELL and wanted to go over there and kick ass like everyone else. Our command at that time informed us that our mission was right here in recruiting, and they wouldn't let any of us deploy. This was the case for several years. I accepted my mission as a recruiter, as I know that my roll here was very important.

About 3 years ago, our new commander told us that we could volunteer and go with our units on deployment, but with my family situation now, I've decided to wait until my son finishes High School. I WILL be deploying after my son graduates, but my place is here until then.

So while you bring up that I've served for 20 years without deploying and that is correct, I AM proud of this country and our military and can't wait to get out on a deployment. I wish you shared the same sentiment about our military.

Also, I didn't say that college students "OWE" the country with their student loans. They owe the fucking creditors they borrowed the money from! THEY are the ones who say WE, and THE GOVERNMENT owe it to them to pay back their loans fucknut!

As far as your "military is the next closest thing to employed welfare" comment... You should be ashamed and go fuck yourself! These men and women are signing up (many because they can't find any other work) with the chance of being deployed, and killed to protect their country. You really are disgusting Deano, and I don't know why you ever even put on the uniform to begin with.

If you think all I do is walk around, drink coffee, and check the tires on a hummvee, I've got some serious news for you. I've missed many important things in my child's life, as well as important things with my family (graduations, etc..) because of this job, and while I absolutely LOVE it, it has been a burden. I DO make very good money, and I'm not complaining at all. I have been blessed. To me though, the most rewarding thing I get out of this job are letters from soldiers who I've enlisted that have been deployed, or they are going through training, and they take the time to send me letters thanking me for what I have helped them accomplish in their lives.

So... you haven't even touched on the differences between the OWS movement, and the Tea Party movement. I'm still waiting to see the videos or pictures of the dumb-ass redneck Tea Party movement destroying vehicles, raping, drugging up, and destroying millions of dollars of property. Lets see it big boy.

BTW,,, I think if I ever see you, I am going to punch you square in the fucking balls as hard as I can!!! Afterwards, I'll put you in a choke hold and buy you a beer you crazy fuck!

Fuck you Jim. I put the fuckin uniform on just as you did. The fact that you have done it for 20 years does not make you a better soldier. Go fuck yourself Neck!

[Rockindeano]

Crap on his front lawn so he won't feel left out of the "movement".

Fuck you too Ginger and you're goddamned tea party too. I would be ashamed to be a right winged tea bagger who lives in the South.

Fuck you too Andrew. I am more than pissed off at you, you dickbreathed asshole.

[conversationpc]

Crap on his front lawn so he won't feel left out of the "movement".

Fuck you too Ginger and you're goddamned tea party too. I would be ashamed to be a right winged tea bagger who lives in the South.

Fuck you too Andrew. I am more than pissed off at you, you dickbreathed asshole.

If there's anyone who doesn't deserve to be spoke to that way, it's Ginger.

[G.I.Jim]

Crap on his front lawn so he won't feel left out of the "movement".

Fuck you too Ginger and you're goddamned tea party too. I would be ashamed to be a right winged tea bagger who lives in the South.

Fuck you too Andrew. I am more than pissed off at you, you dickbreathed asshole.

True class asshole. You can talk to me like that all day, but to talk to Ginger like that??? Way to stoop to a new low. BTW... we're still waiting on your videos. I guess that's the liberal way... lose an argument and go on attack mode when you can't prove your point.

Signed,

You're friendly neighborhood dumb redneck.

[Duncan]

However, again, as I was busting my ass in Desert Storm, I was proud to have been a soldier representing bill from Cheyenne, Sally from spokane, lakeisha from trenton, Bubba from Hattiesberg, mika from seattle and a homeless fella from Milwaukee, but the homeless fella in Santa Monica who I threw my coke over can fuck right off. .

Just fixed that for your Deano.

[Yoda]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

To me, it would make more sense to be using those days putting in resumes and going on job interviews rather than to be spending all day long picketing for more government assistance. And don't tell me there are no jobs to work at. There's still jobs even in my lowly little area of high unemployment. It's just that people are not willing to accept the less than perfect job or to face the facts that if they borrow money for college, they need to pay it back.

[S2M]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

To me, it would make more sense to be using those days putting in resumes and going on job interviews rather than to be spending all day long picketing for more government assistance. And don't tell me there are no jobs to work at. There's still jobs even in my lowly little area of high unemployment. It's just that people are not willing to accept the less than perfect job or to face the facts that if they borrow money for college, they need to pay it back.

Again, my point WAS...99% of the people complaining about the OWS movement HAVE jobs....most people have a very skewed view of things. They tend to ONLY look at their own situation when making VERY important decisions. "Fuck the country as a whole, I'm gonna get mine". e.g. congress.

I think what the INITIAL beef entailed was folks angry over crony capitalism, and bailouts. If corporations can get bailouts, why can't the common folk?

[artist4perry]

Crap on his front lawn so he won't feel left out of the "movement".

Fuck you too Ginger and you're goddamned tea party too. I would be ashamed to be a right winged tea bagger who lives in the South.

Fuck you too Andrew. I am more than pissed off at you, you dickbreathed asshole.

True class asshole. You can talk to me like that all day, but to talk to Ginger like that??? Way to stoop to a new low. BTW... we're still waiting on your videos. I guess that's the liberal way... lose an argument and go on attack mode when you can't prove your point.

Signed,

You're friendly neighborhood dumb redneck.

I am just crushed Deano. I will just cry my little Southern eyes out every night into my pillow.

Whatevah would I do without a big strappin' Yankee like you to show me the errah of my ways?

As God is mah witness I .................sorry cannot keep this up, I am laughing too hard.



Deano chill out. We may not see eye to eye on politics, but really getting mad at friends for not agreeing with you?

[SF-Dano]

I think what the INITIAL beef entailed was folks angry over crony capitalism, and bailouts. If corporations can get bailouts, why can't the common folk?

I agree with this. Unfortunately, as with most protest movements, it was quickly hijacked by others with differing/opposing agendas.

[Yoda]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

To me, it would make more sense to be using those days putting in resumes and going on job interviews rather than to be spending all day long picketing for more government assistance. And don't tell me there are no jobs to work at. There's still jobs even in my lowly little area of high unemployment. It's just that people are not willing to accept the less than perfect job or to face the facts that if they borrow money for college, they need to pay it back.

Again, my point WAS...99% of the people complaining about the OWS movement HAVE jobs....most people have a very skewed view of things. They tend to ONLY look at their own situation when making VERY important decisions. "Fuck the country as a whole, I'm gonna get mine". e.g. congress.

I think what the INITIAL beef entailed was folks angry over crony capitalism, and bailouts. If corporations can get bailouts, why can't the common folk?

That part makes sense to me.