Religion & Morality

[conversationpc]

Exactly! I challenge you to find Christianity's version of God and Jesus as black men. Another depiction of the white folk fantasy of God being white! Racism. The only sign of God I've ever seen was Morgan Freeman in Bruce Almighty so maybe God is black. How many licks does it take to the center of a tootsie pop?

What difference does it make what color Jesus was? He was most likely olive-skinned but who even really cares besides perhaps a KKK member?

[majik]

And if Adam and Eve were white, then where the hell did black people come from?

Who the hell told you that? Did you happen to see any armbands with swastikas inside your girlfriend's church?

Ok, if they were black, where did all the white people come from?

Who said they were?

Adam and Eve had no belly buttons... that is a biological, scientific fact!

There must also have been a lot of handicapped people around as a result of all the inbreeding.

I am going to resist the inference of genealogy. Happy Thanksgiving Rip!

If God made them, have you ever thought that it would not cause handicaps at the time? It wasn't till later God stopped the family from marrying each other.

Have a great day Duncan!

Please stop. Please.

You can't seriously be this stupid. It's at the least not to be taken literally. The earth isn't 6000 years old and God had nothing to do with its creation. We have a perfectly full understand of how the universe came to be and life evolved.

Really ?? do you mean the big bang theory.
That being the case what was there before the big bang and can it be named nothing. No.

As for life evolving so what, life is life.
What is the opposite of life ? most would answer death but life has no opposite. Death is the opposite of birth. There is one life present and mind divides it into your's and mine when no such division exists. One life, I Am the life, I Am is the name we intimately know ourselves as, its not our given name, I Am-ness is our presnt aware being a name used in the Old Testement and pointed to God not a personal God but life aware of itself expressed through the mind with the words I Am.


Edit:
Jesus also said I Am the life again meaning the one life but because life is seen to be personal his true meaning is misunderstood. No one is separate from life the apparent separation only appears because of language when mind believes it refers to a separate individual entity. There is in fact only one I Am.

[G.I.Jim]

And if Adam and Eve were white, then where the hell did black people come from?

Who the hell told you that? Did you happen to see any armbands with swastikas inside your girlfriend's church?

Ok, if they were black, where did all the white people come from?

Exactly! I challenge you to find Christianity's version of God and Jesus as black men. Another depiction of the white folk fantasy of God being white! Racism. The only sign of God I've ever seen was Morgan Freeman in Bruce Almighty so maybe God is black. How many licks does it take to the center of a tootsie pop?

White cultures depict him as being white because it's what is comfortable to them. Just like we paint Santa Clause White. In all honestly, he would have looked middle eastern. I don't see a white or black guy in Jerusalem. Don't you think they would have looked a little out of place? I've been in many black families homes and seen pictures of black Jesus. It's what they find to be a comforting image, so he looks how we paint him. No big deal what his color is. We are all created equal.

[Rip Rokken]

White cultures depict him as being white because it's what is comfortable to them. Just like we paint Santa Clause White. In all honestly, he would have looked middle eastern. I don't see a white or black guy in Jerusalem. Don't you think they would have looked a little out of place? I've been in many black families homes and seen pictures of black Jesus. It's what they find to be a comforting image, so he looks how we paint him. No big deal what his color is. We are all created equal.

Which supports the suggestion that it is actually people who create God in their own image, not visa versa. Talk to any two people and their vision of God will not agree 100%.

By the way, Darrell Ray spoke on Sex and Religion at Skepticon, and mentioned studies suggesting that sexual activity is almost identical in scale and scope inside religion as with non-religious people, but there is one difference - religion adds the 'guilt' and shame elements which don't actually curb the activity, but just increase the stigma about it and drive people back to church. I asked him a very important question afterward, and he confirmed - there is no way in hell the Duggar kids don't jack off.

[majik]

White cultures depict him as being white because it's what is comfortable to them. Just like we paint Santa Clause White. In all honestly, he would have looked middle eastern. I don't see a white or black guy in Jerusalem. Don't you think they would have looked a little out of place? I've been in many black families homes and seen pictures of black Jesus. It's what they find to be a comforting image, so he looks how we paint him. No big deal what his color is. We are all created equal.

Which supports the suggestion that it is actually people who create God in their own image, not visa versa. Talk to any two people and their vision of God will not agree 100%.

By the way, Darrell Ray spoke on Sex and Religion at Skepticon, and mentioned studies suggesting that sexual activity is almost identical in scale and scope inside religion as with non-religious people, but there is one difference - religion adds the 'guilt' and shame elements which don't actually curb the activity, but just increase the stigma about it and drive people back to church. I asked him a very important question afterward, and he confirmed - there is no way in hell the Duggar kids don't jack off.

Proving what exactly? big deal.

[majik]

Religion, rituals, occult, yoga and meditation, beliefs and so on are like stepping stones, meaning they are meant to be transended. How are they transended, this may happen when they are seen to be empty practices that ultimately achieve nothing but a sense of the personal. The one practising them eventually realise that they are always back where they started having never gotten anywhere but here and now where they have always been, only then are these practices transended leaving perfect freedom.
Budhist say there are seven heavens to be transended and to reject every god until the Absolute is reached which may take many thousand of lifetimes, this too is false because when this appears to happen it also take place here and now. It is only then that the cosmic joke is revealed.

[Duncan]

I was guessing at best Duncan........ The bible doesn't say.

And I could ask you the same thing on evolution. If they mass produced what would have kept them from being inbred? They had to start off with self insemination if they had no partner and we were formed because one crawled from a primordial ooze. So self sex, then sex with a child, then inbreeding.

What do birth defects have to do with Britain? The same as they would have to do in the south. We don't inbreed here. Those that do are arrested for being pedophiles. Again a week attempt at an insult, insinuating that people where I am from are inbred. stereotyping the South. By the way Duncan, I was born in Los Angeles California.

Guessing! I thought with all the eye rolling, and laughing emoticons that you were stating something that was plain and obvious.

How does inbreeding in any way falsify evolution? It does falsify the bible, unless 1. the bible glosses over all the children that must have been born with birth defects or 2. the first humans were made so that children born from inbreeding were not deformed and that at a later date god changed that.

Pedophile? Are you sure about that?

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

[Duncan]

White cultures depict him as being white because it's what is comfortable to them. Just like we paint Santa Clause White. In all honestly, he would have looked middle eastern. I don't see a white or black guy in Jerusalem. Don't you think they would have looked a little out of place? I've been in many black families homes and seen pictures of black Jesus. It's what they find to be a comforting image, so he looks how we paint him. No big deal what his color is. We are all created equal.

Which supports the suggestion that it is actually people who create God in their own image, not visa versa. Talk to any two people and their vision of God will not agree 100%.

By the way, Darrell Ray spoke on Sex and Religion at Skepticon, and mentioned studies suggesting that sexual activity is almost identical in scale and scope inside religion as with non-religious people, but there is one difference - religion adds the 'guilt' and shame elements which don't actually curb the activity, but just increase the stigma about it and drive people back to church. I asked him a very important question afterward, and he confirmed - there is no way in hell the Duggar kids don't jack off.

Proving what exactly? big deal.

proving that religion is bullshit.

[majik]

White cultures depict him as being white because it's what is comfortable to them. Just like we paint Santa Clause White. In all honestly, he would have looked middle eastern. I don't see a white or black guy in Jerusalem. Don't you think they would have looked a little out of place? I've been in many black families homes and seen pictures of black Jesus. It's what they find to be a comforting image, so he looks how we paint him. No big deal what his color is. We are all created equal.

Which supports the suggestion that it is actually people who create God in their own image, not visa versa. Talk to any two people and their vision of God will not agree 100%.

By the way, Darrell Ray spoke on Sex and Religion at Skepticon, and mentioned studies suggesting that sexual activity is almost identical in scale and scope inside religion as with non-religious people, but there is one difference - religion adds the 'guilt' and shame elements which don't actually curb the activity, but just increase the stigma about it and drive people back to church. I asked him a very important question afterward, and he confirmed - there is no way in hell the Duggar kids don't jack off.

Proving what exactly? big deal.

proving that religion is bullshit.

Well thats a given. It seemed someone is feeling guilty for jacking off

[majik]

If sin is separation from God as the Christian believes and God is Life as the Bible states then you being life itself cannot be separated from God nor Life. It is a false belief perpetuated by man in the name of power and control.

[conversationpc]

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

I don't remember Ginger or any other believer here saying the "Old Testament stuff" wasn't true. It depends on what your interpretation of what it says is whether we think that's true or not.

[artist4perry]

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

I don't remember Ginger or any other believer here saying the "Old Testament stuff" wasn't true. It depends on what your interpretation of what it says is whether we think that's true or not.

No I didn't. And Duncan reads and understands only what he wants to read and understand. Duncan, again I was not born here, I was born in LA. And you don't live in Arkansas so commenting on the lifestyle of Southerners when you don't live here and have no actual knowledge about the south shows you stereotype as insults. So are all Britain's ugly and have bad teeth? Should I assume that about Britain's because it is a stereotype? Seriously you just want to stir the stink and not engage in a real discussion.

Either if your believing in the bible or evolution, man somehow started by breeding within families. And yes I was guessing when I have no written confirmation about how it went down that long ago. I do know after a period of time God required it to be stopped. I am sure he was aware it had to be that way for a time considering he made one male and one female.

[S2M]

I believe the word Carrier used was delusional....

[mikemarrs]

Anyone here a Buddhist or into Buddhism?

[parfait]

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

I don't remember Ginger or any other believer here saying the "Old Testament stuff" wasn't true. It depends on what your interpretation of what it says is whether we think that's true or not.

No I didn't. And Duncan reads and understands only what he wants to read and understand. Duncan, again I was not born here, I was born in LA. And you don't live in Arkansas so commenting on the lifestyle of Southerners when you don't live here and have no actual knowledge about the south shows you stereotype as insults. So are all Britain's ugly and have bad teeth? Should I assume that about Britain's because it is a stereotype? Seriously you just want to stir the stink and not engage in a real discussion.

Either if your believing in the bible or evolution, man somehow started by breeding within families. And yes I was guessing when I have no written confirmation about how it went down that long ago. I do know after a period of time God required it to be stopped. I am sure he was aware it had to be that way for a time considering he made one male and one female.

So you go against logic, reason and science to follow your own conclusion handpicked from a book which was written over 3400 years ago. Ok, fine. You have faith - no one can touch that. Just please; state it as it it. Don't think all this creation bullshit got any standing at all - because it doesn't. It's silly pseudoscience.

[majik]

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

I don't remember Ginger or any other believer here saying the "Old Testament stuff" wasn't true. It depends on what your interpretation of what it says is whether we think that's true or not.

No I didn't. And Duncan reads and understands only what he wants to read and understand. Duncan, again I was not born here, I was born in LA. And you don't live in Arkansas so commenting on the lifestyle of Southerners when you don't live here and have no actual knowledge about the south shows you stereotype as insults. So are all Britain's ugly and have bad teeth? Should I assume that about Britain's because it is a stereotype? Seriously you just want to stir the stink and not engage in a real discussion.

Either if your believing in the bible or evolution, man somehow started by breeding within families. And yes I was guessing when I have no written confirmation about how it went down that long ago. I do know after a period of time God required it to be stopped. I am sure he was aware it had to be that way for a time considering he made one male and one female.

So you go against logic, reason and science to follow your own conclusion handpicked from a book which was written over 3400 years ago. Ok, fine. You have faith - no one can touch that. Just please; state it as it it. Don't think all this creation bullshit got any standing at all - because it doesn't. It's silly pseudoscience.

The Christian, generally speaking does not follow their own conclusion they follow blindly their pastor or priests out of fear of eternal damnation. The pastor and priest set themselves up as the anointed one of God and only their interpretation of scripture is to be trusted/believed, in other words the blind leading the blind. Its sad but true, they think they follow Jesus but its their ministers twist and erroneous views they really have faith in. The Bible does however contain many koans which cannot be dismissed.

Just to be clear its what I have observed to be the case with Christians I have known.

Edit:
Philippians 2:12
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

[YoungJRNY]

Whether you believe or not, George Carlin is hilarious about God and religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

To me it's this. I've grown up in a place to where even though Religion wasn't forced upon me, I still believed in God because that is the politically correct thing to do as a child. You hear it from everywhere even if it wasn't forced in a family house hold. As my years went on and how incredibly insane and flawed the entire story of God and the Bible is, I've came up with my own conclusion that I don't believe a word of it or the moral's of "life's rules."

In fact, it was NEVER forced upon me until I met my girlfriend who is hardcore Christian. Her family sure does try to coax me into manipulative situations regarding the fact and it's very difficult because I care for her so I attend Church service's to try and be open minded and do it for her. I leave there every time hating it even more. It's just so ridiculous to me in every sense of the word. People falling on the ground saying their healed, saying they just graced the touch of God. It's just all wrong to me.

I feel VERY uncomfortable in a place where it's designed to make you feel good. Praying out loud and yelling out, lifting their hands in the air and fainting. Freaks me out if anything else and the stories being read by the pastor doesn't even make a tad bit of sense and I'm a person who has great comprehension skills.

Geez, what kinda church does she go to? I don't do the church thing. My parents/sisters and I are all baptized Catholics, but we never go. I don't think any of us get much out of church.

She's Christian and her uncle is a pastor to her church. It's actually not as bad as the others I've been to with my cousins (who's Catholic.) It's more just readings and singing songs. But at the end, they have a "Praying session" where people go up and the people of the Church pray for the people who need "healing" in their life. Of course, they over-do it and drop to the floor acting like they were groped by God. One day this black thug walked in with a HUGE teardrop tattoo on his face and there was this big gathering around him. I was like "Uhuh, that'll work " I just hate when people insult my intelligence. HATE.

[conversationpc]

The Christian, generally speaking does not follow their own conclusion they follow blindly their pastor or priests out of fear of eternal damnation. The pastor and priest set themselves up as the anointed one of God and only their interpretation of scripture is to be trusted/believed, in other words the blind leading the blind. Its sad but true, they think they follow Jesus but its their ministers twist and erroneous views they really have faith in. The Bible does however contain many koans which cannot be dismissed.

Just to be clear its what I have observed to be the case with Christians I have known.

Edit:
Philippians 2:12
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

Most Christians don't believe salvation can be lost, so to use this particular verse, out of context in my opinion, doesn't mean that any Christians are following their pastor or priest out of fear.

[majik]

The Christian, generally speaking does not follow their own conclusion they follow blindly their pastor or priests out of fear of eternal damnation. The pastor and priest set themselves up as the anointed one of God and only their interpretation of scripture is to be trusted/believed, in other words the blind leading the blind. Its sad but true, they think they follow Jesus but its their ministers twist and erroneous views they really have faith in. The Bible does however contain many koans which cannot be dismissed.

Just to be clear its what I have observed to be the case with Christians I have known.

Edit:
Philippians 2:12
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

Most Christians don't believe salvation can be lost, so to use this particular verse, out of context in my opinion, doesn't mean that any Christians are following their pastor or priest out of fear.

Pentecostal Christians for example do believe that salvation can be lost and recommit their lives to Jesus every Sunday and Roman Catholic do confess their sins and do penance weekly out of fear of eternal damnation in the fires of hell. Thats a lot of unnecessary fear to live with. Jesus saves, Philippians 2:12 says otherwise.

[artist4perry]

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

I don't remember Ginger or any other believer here saying the "Old Testament stuff" wasn't true. It depends on what your interpretation of what it says is whether we think that's true or not.

No I didn't. And Duncan reads and understands only what he wants to read and understand. Duncan, again I was not born here, I was born in LA. And you don't live in Arkansas so commenting on the lifestyle of Southerners when you don't live here and have no actual knowledge about the south shows you stereotype as insults. So are all Britain's ugly and have bad teeth? Should I assume that about Britain's because it is a stereotype? Seriously you just want to stir the stink and not engage in a real discussion.

Either if your believing in the bible or evolution, man somehow started by breeding within families. And yes I was guessing when I have no written confirmation about how it went down that long ago. I do know after a period of time God required it to be stopped. I am sure he was aware it had to be that way for a time considering he made one male and one female.

So you go against logic, reason and science to follow your own conclusion handpicked from a book which was written over 3400 years ago. Ok, fine. You have faith - no one can touch that. Just please; state it as it it. Don't think all this creation bullshit got any standing at all - because it doesn't. It's silly pseudoscience.

In your Opinion. Which you are entitled to. By the way what is it it?

[parfait]

Anyway, I thought you said previously that the old testament stuff wasn't true.

I don't remember Ginger or any other believer here saying the "Old Testament stuff" wasn't true. It depends on what your interpretation of what it says is whether we think that's true or not.

No I didn't. And Duncan reads and understands only what he wants to read and understand. Duncan, again I was not born here, I was born in LA. And you don't live in Arkansas so commenting on the lifestyle of Southerners when you don't live here and have no actual knowledge about the south shows you stereotype as insults. So are all Britain's ugly and have bad teeth? Should I assume that about Britain's because it is a stereotype? Seriously you just want to stir the stink and not engage in a real discussion.

Either if your believing in the bible or evolution, man somehow started by breeding within families. And yes I was guessing when I have no written confirmation about how it went down that long ago. I do know after a period of time God required it to be stopped. I am sure he was aware it had to be that way for a time considering he made one male and one female.

So you go against logic, reason and science to follow your own conclusion handpicked from a book which was written over 3400 years ago. Ok, fine. You have faith - no one can touch that. Just please; state it as it it. Don't think all this creation bullshit got any standing at all - because it doesn't. It's silly pseudoscience.

In your Opinion. Which you are entitled to. By the way what is it it?

No, not in my opinion, but in the opinion of any reasonable, well educated person. Creationists have had years to find evidence for their belief; and they haven't found shit. Nothing at all that didn't get disproved after a matter of days. Instead they try to discredit theories that have shown themself to be unfalsifiable. Do you have any idea how much of the scientific society which is dependent on the theories of evolution for example, meaning gene flow, natural selection, mutations etc? Ever wondered why bacteria becomes increasingly resistant to antibiotics? It's called biased mutation and natural selection - key parts of the theory of evolution. Lets not even start on the bullshit about the earth being 6000 years old, because it's not. Uranium-lead dating has shown it's 4.5 billion years old. That's not my opinion; it's a fucking fact.

You know I meant to write it is. English is my third language. The same can't be said for you though, who don't even know the difference between your and you're. .

[Rip Rokken]

Anyone here a Buddhist or into Buddhism?

No... Considered studying to find out more about it and still may, but not as a new belief system. I have no desire to replace one illusion with another. I do want to be clear - religion of any kind has the possibility of improving one's life, even greatly. I just can't believe something for that reason alone - we fool ourselves all the time, and I just can't accept anything on faith alone anymore. It has to be convincingly factual after reviewing both sides of the topic, not just taking the word of those who have a vested interest in it. So right now, no religion for me, no crystals, no Bigfoot, no UFO's or ghosts... Nothing that can't be verified scientifically, medically, etc.

[AR]

While I am not into organized religion at all, I won't piss on believers.

I grew up Catholic. I find religious organizations as political as any other institution.

Live your lives and be the best person you can be. It will sort itself out in the end.

I do not pretend to have the answers, but those who are anti supreme being know no more than those who believe.

I think our existence is not so pointless that we just die and go into eternal darkness.

[mikemarrs]

Anyone here a Buddhist or into Buddhism?

No... Considered studying to find out more about it and still may, but not as a new belief system. I have no desire to replace one illusion with another. I do want to be clear - religion of any kind has the possibility of improving one's life, even greatly. I just can't believe something for that reason alone - we fool ourselves all the time, and I just can't accept anything on faith alone anymore. It has to be convincingly factual after reviewing both sides of the topic, not just taking the word of those who have a vested interest in it. So right now, no religion for me, no crystals, no Bigfoot, no UFO's or ghosts... Nothing that can't be verified scientifically, medically, etc.

I'm at that point in my life also.I'm not part of any religion i just try to be nice to others and do things the best i can do them.my family are mostly baptist but a couple years back i went to two different churches who told me and my girlfriend we were sinning because we weren't married.Every time i go to a church i find the rules or guidelines way too constricting.

[AR]

Anyone here a Buddhist or into Buddhism?

No... Considered studying to find out more about it and still may, but not as a new belief system. I have no desire to replace one illusion with another. I do want to be clear - religion of any kind has the possibility of improving one's life, even greatly. I just can't believe something for that reason alone - we fool ourselves all the time, and I just can't accept anything on faith alone anymore. It has to be convincingly factual after reviewing both sides of the topic, not just taking the word of those who have a vested interest in it. So right now, no religion for me, no crystals, no Bigfoot, no UFO's or ghosts... Nothing that can't be verified scientifically, medically, etc.

I'm at that point in my life also.I'm not part of any religion i just try to be nice to others and do things the best i can do them.my family are mostly baptist but a couple years back i went to two different churches who told me and my girlfriend we were sinning because we weren't married.Every time i go to a church i find the rules or guidelines way too constricting.

You have it right.

[verslibre]

I have no desire to replace one illusion with another.

Yes, we know you will always adhere to the illusion Don D. still has more than an iota of the vocal power he once had.

Nothing that can't be verified scientifically, medically, etc.

Don sucks live nowadays. It can be verified scientifically. *rimshot*

[majik]

Anyone here a Buddhist or into Buddhism?

No... Considered studying to find out more about it and still may, but not as a new belief system. I have no desire to replace one illusion with another. I do want to be clear - religion of any kind has the possibility of improving one's life, even greatly. I just can't believe something for that reason alone - we fool ourselves all the time, and I just can't accept anything on faith alone anymore. It has to be convincingly factual after reviewing both sides of the topic, not just taking the word of those who have a vested interest in it. So right now, no religion for me, no crystals, no Bigfoot, no UFO's or ghosts... Nothing that can't be verified scientifically, medically, etc.

I'm with Rip 'till it comes to his last sentence, this here and now is and will always be indeterminate, science etc will never have the last word and to believe otherwise is another illusion. The mind does not like that as it is in unknowingness, yet it is the emptiness in which mind itself appears. It is freedom from the rule of mind and not a spaced out state as the mind may think it is, functionality remains the same.

What this is right now I'm sure we can agree is experiencing, all the apparent good stuff and the bad stuff, you name it, its experiencing. The question then becomes who is the experience-er ? Is it the body that experiences ? well no the body is an experience that I know so it cannot be the experience-er. Is it mind that experiences this ? again I experience the mind, so body and mind are already included in experiencing just like science, religion (or not) eating/drinking, being drunk, happy or sad and so on.

This leaves only what I Am, I Am the experience-er..... until its realised that I Am is also appearing in the experiencing. What actually remains is EXPERIENCING!!
Thats all there is, experiencing........ without an experience-er, everything that is found to be the experience-er is appearing in experiencing. I must be the EXPERIENCING ITSELF. Yes its weird and strange but it can be discovered for oneself and life continues just as it aways has very ordinarily, now without illusion. This is Liberation.

[Rip Rokken]

While I am not into organized religion at all, I won't piss on believers.

I grew up Catholic. I find religious organizations as political as any other institution.

Live your lives and be the best person you can be. It will sort itself out in the end.

I do not pretend to have the answers, but those who are anti supreme being know no more than those who believe.

I think our existence is not so pointless that we just die and go into eternal darkness.

If there is a God, I can't say what he is, but I rest in reasonable certainty on what he's not. He's not what mainstream religions claim he is, and he doesn't do what they promise he will. #1, he's not a clear communicator by any sense of the word. If he was, and he truly wanted all mankind to know him, he would have made himself clear, and there wouldn't be any disagreement about his character. #2 - he's not all good, all loving, all merciful. Leviticus alone proves that.

People paint "God" into situations where he's simply not necessary. Just watched that movie "127 Hours" today about the rock climber who got his arm stuck underneath a boulder and had to saw it off just to escape and live. In one of the extras he said it was definitely a God thing, an answer to prayer, that he was rescued in the way that he was, with the chopper just happening to arrive when he only had 45 minutes to live. Nice thinking, but he'd already predicted the rescue effort earlier in the movie -- that once he didn't show up for work, his friends would report him missing, and the police would act 24 hours after that (or something like that). But if God was truly behind that, like I've said before, he'd have to get a D- for effort... could have prevented the accident in the first place, or sent someone sooner before he had to drink his own piss and hack off his arm with a very small, dull knife. So maybe God let it go that far just to teach the guy a lesson (which is hinted at in the film) -- not to be so selfish and withdrawn, to appreciate life and the people who love him, and most importantly, to return his mother's phone calls. If that's the case, then that makes God just about as creepy as the Jigsaw Killer in the SAW movies. Whether there is or is not a God, I've found most of the beliefs about him to be irrational and delusional, meaning, the believers will hold fast to their specific beliefs even in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Anyway to sum that up, I can't say whether or not there is a god, but I feel reasonably certain that even if he (or she, or it) does exist, it bears little to no semblance to the descriptions given to us by mainstream religion.

[Gideon]

You know I meant to write it is. English is my third language.

Really? I'm impressed. Your command of the language is as refined as any native speaker I know. English is one of the hardest languages to learn and it seems you've mastered all the manifold nuances within. Kudos, most people on their second language never quite get to that point.

[parfait]

You know I meant to write it is. English is my third language.

Really? I'm impressed. Your command of the language is as refined as any native speaker I know. English is one of the hardest languages to learn and it seems you've mastered all the manifold nuances within. Kudos, most people on their second language never quite get to that point.

Nah, man. I just got one badass dictionary on my browser. American TV and music is all over Europe, so it's only natural one would pick up a few things.