2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

[Ehwmatt]

Wow...Palko is fucking AWFUL!

Honestly, after seeing him last week, I was surprised Orton wasn't the instant starter even with just one or two days of practice. The guy is terrrrrrrible.

[Enigma869]

Wasn't that a chop block in Thursday's game? Didn't Detroit have a TD called back for a block JUST LIKE that one that Ben laid on the KC player?

No. Ben threw the only block on that play. A "chop block" like was called on Thursday is one guy going high with the block and one guy going low on the block. What Ben did was NOT a chop block.

[Enigma869]

Honestly, after seeing him last week, I was surprised Orton wasn't the instant starter even with just one or two days of practice. The guy is terrrrrrrible.

Agreed. This is not an impressive performance by the Steelers, AT ALL, but it doesn't even matter. All the Steelers had to do was score on TD, and this game is over. Kansas City is simply incapable of scoring with Palko as their QB. This guy is really fucking bad and doesn't belong on an NFL roster.

[S2M]

Wasn't that a chop block in Thursday's game? Didn't Detroit have a TD called back for a block JUST LIKE that one that Ben laid on the KC player?

No. Ben threw the only block on that play. A "chop block" like was called on Thursday is one guy going high with the block and one guy going low on the block. What Ben did was NOT a chop block.

That was my point....Thursday's wasn't a chop block either....the player wasn't engaged. It is getting to be that the refs don't even know what a penalty is anymore....

[S2M]

Pitiful effort by Pittsburgh. A better offensive team would have smoked them.

Escape is right.....

BTW, these offensive coaches need remedial training. the call was to go for it on 4th and 2....not go for a FG. Haley is an idiot.

[Ehwmatt]

I actually feel a bit bad for Palko now... he showed some nice composure facing some scary blitzes and then Dwayne Bowe looked like this on that INT:

[YoungJRNY]

YoungJRNY: Every time the Steelers are supposed to crush a team, they get in their own way. They should take care of business quite easily, but Arrowhead will be jacked up as always and make it tough for the Steelers in Prime Time, just like Indianapolis did. The Steelers always get everyone's best effort.

Stu: Steelers historically play DOWN to the level of their competition...just in case anyone forgets (Travis!) the Superbowl hangover year...we were supposed to DESTROY KC then too...I am not feeling the love for this game at all..

YoungJRNY: But yet, my fellow Steelers brotherin' is right. Always playing down to our competition. Back in 2009, we kind of did what the 2011 Ravens are doing. We beat the best teams in the league but lost to the worst. Last time we faced K.C was in '09, we were even up 17-7 at halftime and ended up losing in OT.

Even when the Steelers are supposed to crush a team, they keep it interesting, it's just the way they've always played teams historically with clock controlled offense but hopefully with this new offense still rising, we can keep our foot on the gas peddle. Still think K.C will give it a tough game. The X-Factor is Arrowhead+ Prime Time. Crazy stadium.

Wish I could say I'm surprised. This Steelers team doesn't fool me. Very rarely do we ever beat a team by a wide margin, even against rank-ass teams.

[S2M]

I actually feel a bit bad for Palko now... he showed some nice composure facing some scary blitzes and then Dwayne Bowe looked like this on that INT:

I think that dinosaur is the Todd Pinkstonosauraus....the original Alligator Arms.....

[Ehwmatt]

Has any coach ever done LESS with MORE than Norv Turner? Granted, the Chargers aren't nearly as talented as they were in years' past under Turner's regime. Nevertheless, this guy seems like a really horrible coach to me.

[Enigma869]

Has any coach ever done LESS with MORE than Norv Turner?

Yes...probably every Dallas Cowboys coach over the past decade!

Granted, the Chargers aren't nearly as talented as they were in years' past under Turner's regime. Nevertheless, this guy seems like a really horrible coach to me.

Turner is a DREADFUL head coach. Not sure why or how he hasn't been fired (years ago).

[Yoda]

Turner doesn't have that ability to get the best out of his players. I remember the one year the Redskins went 8-1 under him and Redskins nation was shouting Super Bowl...only to find the season collapsed after the midway point and the 'skins wound up 8-8 and out of the playoffs. You can give him a team (much like what he had inherited when he came to SD) loaded with talent, and he'll get them to 10-6, but that's considered great under a Norv Turner regime. As much as I dislike Rex Ryan, I have to agree that pretty much any other decent coach in the league would probably have had a couple of Super Bowl rings right now if they had inherited that Chargers team.

[RedWingFan]

Anybody remember or hear of the old Vikings QB Joe Kapp? You can see him here punch out another 73 year old former adversary from his CFL days!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrkEROiQsa8

[S2M]

Cincinnati vs. Pittsburgh - Cincy by 17+

[YoungJRNY]

Cincinnati vs. Pittsburgh - Cincy by 17+

I loved your texts last night updating me on each teams missed penalties. If you were a ref, a game would be 6 hours long and the penalty yards would be 200+ yards for either team.

[S2M]

Cincinnati vs. Pittsburgh - Cincy by 17+

I loved your texts last night updating me on each teams missed penalties. If you were a ref, a game would be 6 hours long and the penalty yards would be 200+ yards for either team.

LMAO...well you were whining that I wasn't texting you during the previous week's games....

I will say this, however....PI needs to switch from a spot foul to a 15 yards MAX penalty. Also, do away with calling PI because the defender doesn't turn his head around - all that should matter is impedement. Contact before the ball gets there. Case closed...A receiver isn't entitled to a clear path to an underthrown ball. End of discussion.

[Enigma869]

I will say this, however....PI needs to switch from a spot foul to a 15 yards MAX penalty. Also, do away with calling PI because the defender doesn't turn his head around - all that should matter is impedement. Contact before the ball gets there. Case closed...A receiver isn't entitled to a clear path to an underthrown ball. End of discussion.

Holy fucking shit, man! I actually agree with you. Couldn't agree more, actually. The pass interference thing has really gotten out of hand in the NFL. I watch a lot of NFL that doesn't involve any team that I have any allegiance to and that call drives me crazy. The blatant calls never bother me, but more often than not with PI, it is very borderline.

[S2M]

I will say this, however....PI needs to switch from a spot foul to a 15 yards MAX penalty. Also, do away with calling PI because the defender doesn't turn his head around - all that should matter is impedement. Contact before the ball gets there. Case closed...A receiver isn't entitled to a clear path to an underthrown ball. End of discussion.

Holy fucking shit, man! I actually agree with you. Couldn't agree more, actually. The pass interference thing has really gotten out of hand in the NFL. I watch a lot of NFL that doesn't involve any team that I have any allegiance to and that call drives me crazy. The blatant calls never bother me, but more often than not with PI, it is very borderline.

Isn't it against your very nature to agree with me?

Or is it just that we both hate Pittsburgh?

[Ehwmatt]

I will say this, however....PI needs to switch from a spot foul to a 15 yards MAX penalty. Also, do away with calling PI because the defender doesn't turn his head around - all that should matter is impedement. Contact before the ball gets there. Case closed...A receiver isn't entitled to a clear path to an underthrown ball. End of discussion.

Holy fucking shit, man! I actually agree with you. Couldn't agree more, actually. The pass interference thing has really gotten out of hand in the NFL. I watch a lot of NFL that doesn't involve any team that I have any allegiance to and that call drives me crazy. The blatant calls never bother me, but more often than not with PI, it is very borderline.

So do you agree with both principles or just the substantive parts of what actually constitutes pass interference? I don't fully understand all the nuances with PI, but I definitely agree that PI should not be a spot foul in today's league of pass-chucking QBs. It's bogus.

[S2M]

I will say this, however....PI needs to switch from a spot foul to a 15 yards MAX penalty. Also, do away with calling PI because the defender doesn't turn his head around - all that should matter is impedement. Contact before the ball gets there. Case closed...A receiver isn't entitled to a clear path to an underthrown ball. End of discussion.

Holy fucking shit, man! I actually agree with you. Couldn't agree more, actually. The pass interference thing has really gotten out of hand in the NFL. I watch a lot of NFL that doesn't involve any team that I have any allegiance to and that call drives me crazy. The blatant calls never bother me, but more often than not with PI, it is very borderline.

So do you agree with both principles or just the substantive parts of what actually constitutes pass interference? I don't fully understand all the nuances with PI, but I definitely agree that PI should not be a spot foul in today's league of pass-chucking QBs. It's bogus.

Well, I'm not going to quote the rule book, but I'll run down what I agree with, and don't agree with.....


I agree that your 'off-hand' shouldn't alter the receiver's position in relation to the ball before it gets there; e.g. turning a WR's shoulder/hip, while knocking down the pass with your other hand.


I agree that you shouldn't have any other contact with a WR/TE/RB after the 5-yard chucking zone....I disagree with the 'pick' rules. I have NO IDEA what a 'Natural pick' is in relation to an illegal one - but whatever. Very shady rule.

Both players are known to CONSTANTLY play slappies with each other's arms/hands during the course of a pattern down the field....sometimes this is called, other times not. Appears to be a VERY subjective call.

I've already discussed the defender 'looking back' thing....and finally, I think all PI calls should be open for review. End of discussion.

[YoungJRNY]

I think we can all agree with that. I do believe a desperation throw on 3rd and 15 and heaving it 60 yards downfield crossing your fingers for a "65 yard penalty" pass interference should be re-worked and justifiable for any other interference or penalty called. 10-15 yards maximum and an automatic first down from the spot of the line of scrimmage. Ridiculous a team snags 70 yards in one play because of players bumping into each other going for the football to make a play. It's hard to play defense anymore in this leauge & that's a GLARING weakspot that needs to be managed and looked at from the higher-ups.

[Enigma869]

Or is it just that we both hate Pittsburgh?

I've definitely always hated Pittsburgh and their douchebag fans. No offense to Travis, because I honestly think the kid is a good guy. It's just always amused me that fans from what is a shit sports city (no NBA team, no MLB team...and no, the Pirates don't qualify as MLB) are so full of themselves in a minor league sports city (Pittsburgh is no Philadelphia). I respect the Steelers organization (and what I'm really saying here is the Rooney family) and I like Mike Tomlin. That said, I've always hated most of their players. They've always had a team of big mouth guys who care more about yapping than playing football. I still remember Steeler fans and players making reservations for the Super Bowl before they ever played the Patriots in the 2001 playoffs. I couldn't believe a team and their fans were that full of themselves that they didn't think the team they were playing had ANY shot at all to beat them. It was simply never a possibility to them.

[Yoda]

Put me on the bandwagon as those wanting to see PI changed to a 15-yard penalty instead of a spot foul.

[S2M]

Allow me a tangent.....

I absolutely cannot stand that rat bastard Merril Hoge....this dude picks against NE every week. For a former RB(FB) who played EIGHT seasons and only racked up 3,100 yards....this dude should not be criticizing anybody....that and his fucking huge-ass windsor knot.

[AR]

Or is it just that we both hate Pittsburgh?

I've definitely always hated Pittsburgh and their douchebag fans. No offense to Travis, because I honestly think the kid is a good guy. It's just always amused me that fans from what is a shit sports city (no NBA team, no MLB team...and no, the Pirates don't qualify as MLB) are so full of themselves in a minor league sports city (Pittsburgh is no Philadelphia). I respect the Steelers organization (and what I'm really saying here is the Rooney family) and I like Mike Tomlin. That said, I've always hated most of their players. They've always had a team of big mouth guys who care more about yapping than playing football. I still remember Steeler fans and players making reservations for the Super Bowl before they ever played the Patriots in the 2001 playoffs. I couldn't believe a team and their fans were that full of themselves that they didn't think the team they were playing had ANY shot at all to beat them. It was simply never a possibility to them.

Yikes, I get that but my hometown is no better. My home has no NHL, NBA or MLB (used to have a baseball team, not sure where they went).

[YoungJRNY]

I've definitely always hated Pittsburgh and their douchebag fans. No offense to Travis, because I honestly think the kid is a good guy. It's just always amused me that fans from what is a shit sports city (no NBA team, no MLB team...and no, the Pirates don't qualify as MLB) are so full of themselves in a minor league sports city (Pittsburgh is no Philadelphia). I respect the Steelers organization (and what I'm really saying here is the Rooney family) and I like Mike Tomlin. That said, I've always hated most of their players. They've always had a team of big mouth guys who care more about yapping than playing football. I still remember Steeler fans and players making reservations for the Super Bowl before they ever played the Patriots in the 2001 playoffs. I couldn't believe a team and their fans were that full of themselves that they didn't think the team they were playing had ANY shot at all to beat them. It was simply never a possibility to them.

Biter much?

Hate on Pittsburgh all you want but it's pretty funny that just because you have a way of words to cover up your obvious hatred towards everything Pittsburgh doesn't mean you're always right in your decorated assessments. You're absolutely wrong about of what you've said because you come off as a total hater. No offense to you John, because I honestly think you are a good guy but you got it twisted. All Boston fans are TRULY the one's considered scumbag, arrogant douche-bag fans. At the start of 2001, the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, the Celtics were going on fifteen years since their last title, the Red Sox were hopelessly trying to break the curse of the Bambino and the Bruins were looking for their first Stanley Cup in nearly thirty years. Hell, the city of Boston and their fans were as tortured as the city of Cleveland at one point. All those years of frustration and heartbreak that you saw growing up boggled up all this hate for great sports cities like Pittsburgh, who you had to watch win World Series, Super Bowl Championships and hoisting Stanley Cup's and that hasn't changed in the new decade! And get over 2001. Even you admitted all Patriots fans thought they couldn't beat Oakland (wonder why?) let alone Pittsburgh. Beating the Rams was admitted as a pipe dream and you know it!


Pittsburgh Pirates (5 World Series): Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell, Bill Mazeroski , Honus Wagner, Barry Bonds & manager Jimmy Leyland.
Pittsburgh Penguins (3 time Stanley Cup Champions): Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr, Ronny Francis, Paul Coffey, Tom Barasso and now Sidney Crosby.
Pittsburgh Steelers (6 time Super Bowl Champions): Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, Jerome Bettis, Greg Lloyd, Franco Harris, head coach Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher

Not bad for a shitty and minor league sports city Keep on hatin' on!

[S2M]

I've definitely always hated Pittsburgh and their douchebag fans. No offense to Travis, because I honestly think the kid is a good guy. It's just always amused me that fans from what is a shit sports city (no NBA team, no MLB team...and no, the Pirates don't qualify as MLB) are so full of themselves in a minor league sports city (Pittsburgh is no Philadelphia). I respect the Steelers organization (and what I'm really saying here is the Rooney family) and I like Mike Tomlin. That said, I've always hated most of their players. They've always had a team of big mouth guys who care more about yapping than playing football. I still remember Steeler fans and players making reservations for the Super Bowl before they ever played the Patriots in the 2001 playoffs. I couldn't believe a team and their fans were that full of themselves that they didn't think the team they were playing had ANY shot at all to beat them. It was simply never a possibility to them.

Biter much?

Hate on Pittsburgh all you want but it's pretty funny that just because you have a way of words to cover up your obvious hatred towards everything Pittsburgh doesn't mean you're always right in your decorated assessments. You're absolutely wrong about of what you've said because you come off as a total hater. No offense to you John, because I honestly think you are a good guy but you got it twisted. All Boston fans are TRULY the one's considered scumbag, arrogant douche-bag fans. At the start of 2001, the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, the Celtics were going on fifteen years since their last title, the Red Sox were hopelessly trying to break the curse of the Bambino and the Bruins were looking for their first Stanley Cup in nearly thirty years. Hell, the city of Boston and their fans were as tortured as the city of Cleveland at one point. All those years of frustration and heartbreak that you saw growing up boggled up all this hate for great sports cities like Pittsburgh, who you had to watch win World Series, Super Bowl Championships and hoisting Stanley Cup's and that hasn't changed in the new decade! And get over 2001. Even you admitted all Patriots fans couldn't beat Oakland (wonder why?) let alone Pittsburgh. Beating the Rams was admitted as a pipe dream and you know it!


Pittsburgh Pirates (5 World Series): Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell, Bill Mazeroski , Honus Wagner, Barry Bonds & manager Jimmy Leyland.
Pittsburgh Penguins (3 time Stanley Cup Champions): Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr, Ronny Francis, Paul Coffey, Tom Barasso and now Sidney Crosby.
Pittsburgh Steelers (6 time Super Bowl Champions): Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, Jerome Bettis, Greg Lloyd, Franco Harris, head coach Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher

Not bad for a shitty and minor league sports city Keep on hatin' on!

Again, why do fans cling to PAST accomplishments when defending their teams? The Penguins tanked numerous seasons to get their 1st and 2nd picks. The Bruins don't tank seasons to get players.


You say Pirates have 5 WS Rings....Boston has 7.
You say Pitt has 3 Stanley Cups - Bruins have 6.
Celtics have 17 NBA Championships...Pittt has ZERO
Steelers have 6 Superbowl rings....NE has 3.

[YoungJRNY]

I've definitely always hated Pittsburgh and their douchebag fans. No offense to Travis, because I honestly think the kid is a good guy. It's just always amused me that fans from what is a shit sports city (no NBA team, no MLB team...and no, the Pirates don't qualify as MLB) are so full of themselves in a minor league sports city (Pittsburgh is no Philadelphia). I respect the Steelers organization (and what I'm really saying here is the Rooney family) and I like Mike Tomlin. That said, I've always hated most of their players. They've always had a team of big mouth guys who care more about yapping than playing football. I still remember Steeler fans and players making reservations for the Super Bowl before they ever played the Patriots in the 2001 playoffs. I couldn't believe a team and their fans were that full of themselves that they didn't think the team they were playing had ANY shot at all to beat them. It was simply never a possibility to them.

Biter much?

Hate on Pittsburgh all you want but it's pretty funny that just because you have a way of words to cover up your obvious hatred towards everything Pittsburgh doesn't mean you're always right in your decorated assessments. You're absolutely wrong about of what you've said because you come off as a total hater. No offense to you John, because I honestly think you are a good guy but you got it twisted. All Boston fans are TRULY the one's considered scumbag, arrogant douche-bag fans. At the start of 2001, the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, the Celtics were going on fifteen years since their last title, the Red Sox were hopelessly trying to break the curse of the Bambino and the Bruins were looking for their first Stanley Cup in nearly thirty years. Hell, the city of Boston and their fans were as tortured as the city of Cleveland at one point. All those years of frustration and heartbreak that you saw growing up boggled up all this hate for great sports cities like Pittsburgh, who you had to watch win World Series, Super Bowl Championships and hoisting Stanley Cup's and that hasn't changed in the new decade! And get over 2001. Even you admitted all Patriots fans couldn't beat Oakland (wonder why?) let alone Pittsburgh. Beating the Rams was admitted as a pipe dream and you know it!


Pittsburgh Pirates (5 World Series): Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell, Bill Mazeroski , Honus Wagner, Barry Bonds & manager Jimmy Leyland.
Pittsburgh Penguins (3 time Stanley Cup Champions): Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr, Ronny Francis, Paul Coffey, Tom Barasso and now Sidney Crosby.
Pittsburgh Steelers (6 time Super Bowl Champions): Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, Jerome Bettis, Greg Lloyd, Franco Harris, head coach Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher

Not bad for a shitty and minor league sports city Keep on hatin' on!

Again, why do fans cling to PAST accomplishments when defending their teams? The Penguins tanked numerous seasons to get their 1st and 2nd picks. The Bruins don't tank seasons to get players.


You say Pirates have 5 WS Rings....Boston has 7.
You say Pitt has 3 Stanley Cups - Bruins have 6.
Celtics have 17 NBA Championships...Pittt has ZERO
Steelers have 6 Superbowl rings....NE has 3.

Boston is considered nowadays as one of the best sports cities and it's deserving. You won't hear any Pittsburgh fans dispute that. In debates, it's all measured by the history of all accomplishments of a sports city and their franchise's and judging by the actual facts and history, John's statements are totally false and lets hate speak for him. According to the numbers you've just come up with, it's obviously close comparing city to city.

According to John, Pittsburgh is total trash and are better off just left off the map when in reality, Pittsburgh has its respected place as one of the best, low market sporting cities. Minus the NBA because Pittsburgh doesn't have an NBA team (thank God in a dying sport) lets be fair and add up the titles each city has head to head. Without the Celtics 17 NBA Championships and since it's impossible to compare to Pittsburgh, the great sports city of Boston and the minor league city of Pittsburgh have almost the same amount of titles between them. Pittsburgh-14 overall and Boston-16 overall. Again, not bad for a minor league town going up against a big market city of Boston.

In today's day in age, if you can sit there and act as though MLB and NBA are a thing of gold and each sport still holds their place of respect like they held in yesteryear, then more power to you. We all know those two sports in the present day are total garbage and very lopsided.

[YoungJRNY]

The Penguins tanked numerous seasons to get their 1st and 2nd picks.

And the gimmick poster that is S2M continues with great pride. You do realize that the Penguins won a lottery to snag Crosby? Each team that supposedly "tanked" the season had the equal amount of opportunity and chance for the #1 draft pick. Maybe, just maybe, the Penguins just lost games to set them up for a chance at high draft picks because they were a bad hockey team in the middle of the 2000's. With your logic, the Bengals, picking #1 and very high all those years in the NFL, should have atleast 10 Lombardi's by now with all those great 1st and 2nd picks.

[S2M]

The Penguins tanked numerous seasons to get their 1st and 2nd picks.

And the gimmick poster that is S2M continues with great pride. You do realize that the Penguins won a lottery to snag Crosby? Each team that supposedly "tanked" the season had the equal amount of opportunity and chance for the #1 draft pick. Maybe, just maybe, the Penguins just lost games to set them up for a chance at high draft picks because they were a bad hockey team in the middle of the 2000's. With your logic, the Bengals, picking #1 and very high all those years in the NFL, should have atleast 10 Lombardi's by now with all those great 1st and 2nd picks.

Yep, a lottery that was put into effect BECAUSE of what Pittsburgh did in the 1984 to snag Lemieux. And Ottawa snagging Daigle in 1993. One thing is for sure....if the NHL didn't choose to adopt the lottery system in '95....Crosby and Ovechkin would be teammates right now, cause as you know Washington jumped from 3rd to 1st that year....no lottery? Pittsburgh would have definitely taken Ovie at #1.

So save the drama, Trav....you are smarter than that.

[Enigma869]

Boston is considered nowadays as one of the best sports cities

Sorry dude, but it isn't "nowadays". Boston has ALWAYS been one of the best sports cities in this country. There is more to being a good sports city than just winning championships. For starters, you actually need a fanbase who can support four professional teams. I can assure you that in spite of your previous post about Boston's successes over the past decade, Boston wasn't some fledgling sports city until the year 2000. I'm much older than you are and was already 30 years old in 2000 and I promise you that the fans of Boston didn't just start paying attention to sports in the year 2000. I realize that these names may not mean much to you, but you do realize that Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Larry Bird, and Bobby Orr all played in Boston right? You know that the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics are all original teams to the leagues they play in, right? Save me this complete and utter bullshit that Boston was just like Cleveland. Even Cleveland fans wouldn't buy that!

According to John, Pittsburgh is total trash

Um, I didn't quite call Pittsburgh trash. I called the Steelers and their fans douchbags. I also said that it is not a city that can support four sports teams. It's a second tier sports city. Steelers fans are great (even if they are douchebags), but that's one team.

Without the Celtics 17 NBA Championships

Right, and without the Steelers, you're home to a sport that nobody really gives a shit about! Your argument about basketball and baseball borders on moronic. I personally like hockey FAR more than I like basketball. That said, nobody gives a fuck about hockey in this country (and I'm talking about the masses...not some Canadian who jerks off to Calgary Flames highlights). Basketball and baseball are FAR bigger and FAR more popular in this country than hockey will ever be!