Religion & Morality

[Duncan]

Parfait said. Again: Origin of life and theory of evolution are two separate things altogether."


Its the reverse.......Life is the origin of the theory of evolution therefore the theory is not a separate "thing".

Life is present, theory is present. Presence is the origin of life and theory. One presence not two.

Dinosaurs are not present, but they evolved and became extinct.

[Duncan]

I have NO answers that will sway the non-believers if they aren't open to believing, that's what faith is all about - either you have it or you don't. I do appreciate this thread in one sense, though. It has led me to read my bible more and has ultimately strengthened my faith. God does indeed work in mysterious ways.

Yep, that's it in a nutshell. If you are going to believe in something for which there is not a scrap of evidence you can justify it to yourself by calling it faith. It's as if by using this term it lends the whole thing some virtuous credibility, but I can't see it as anything other than gullibility and delusion. Why doesn't god tell you what to say in order to convince me that he exists?

Why doesn't it concern you that to believe in god it requires faith?

[donnaplease]

I have NO answers that will sway the non-believers if they aren't open to believing, that's what faith is all about - either you have it or you don't. I do appreciate this thread in one sense, though. It has led me to read my bible more and has ultimately strengthened my faith. God does indeed work in mysterious ways.

Yep, that's it in a nutshell. If you are going to believe in something for which there is not a scrap of evidence you can justify it to yourself by calling it faith. It's as if by using this term it lends the whole thing some virtuous credibility, but I can't see it as anything other than gullibility and delusion. Why doesn't god tell you what to say in order to convince me that he exists?

Why doesn't it concern you that to believe in god it requires faith?

So you would equally be willing to say that because I can't see oxygen I must not be breathing...? I see evidence of God every day. It's all around me (just like oxygen). It's in the nature that I see around me, it's in the love I have among my family and friends, it's the medical miracles that I have witnessed, and the loving and peaceful deaths as well. My faith tells me that because I believe I can be assured of a place in Heaven with the creator of all that evidence, and I am SO happy to know that. If you find me gullible and delusion, well, I can live with that and not lose a second's sleep. It would be a very miserable existence believing that at the end of it all there's nothing but an eternal dirt nap. What was all this for? What truly is the reason for us being??? Why are we here? I'm anxious to see your response to that.

[majik]

Parfait said. Again: Origin of life and theory of evolution are two separate things altogether."


Its the reverse.......Life is the origin of the theory of evolution therefore the theory is not a separate "thing".

Life is present, theory is present. Presence is the origin of life and theory. One presence not two.

Dinosaurs are not present, but they evolved and became extinct.

Is the wave separate from the ocean ?
Like dinosaur, wave is appearance, when wave disappears is anything lost ?? no, because it is ocean and not a separate entity. Wave was always the total but appears not to be.
THIS is the ocean of Being, nothing is separate in Being, You are present ? Yes, thats it!! Thats IT, there is no separate god, Being is the omnipresence.

[Duncan]

Parfait said. Again: Origin of life and theory of evolution are two separate things altogether."


Its the reverse.......Life is the origin of the theory of evolution therefore the theory is not a separate "thing".

Life is present, theory is present. Presence is the origin of life and theory. One presence not two.

Dinosaurs are not present, but they evolved and became extinct.

Is the wave separate from the ocean ?
Like dinosaur, wave is appearance, when wave disappears is anything lost ?? no, because it is ocean and not a separate entity. Wave was always the total but appears not to be.
THIS is the ocean of Being, nothing is separate in Being, You are present ? Yes, thats it!! Thats IT, there is no separate god, Being is the omnipresence.

Thanks for clearing that up. It all makes perfect sense now.

[Duncan]

So you would equally be willing to say that because I can't see oxygen I must not be breathing...?

Eh? There is a plenty of evidence that oxygen exists.

I see evidence of God every day. It's all around me (just like oxygen). It's in the nature that I see around me, it's in the love I have among my family and friends, it's the medical miracles that I have witnessed, and the loving and peaceful deaths as well.

That's not evidence. Pointing at things and saying "that's Gods work" is nothing more than wishful thinking. It's what is known as an argument from incredulity, which means because you cannot explain or understand something you insert God as the explantion

It would be a very miserable existence believing that at the end of it all there's nothing but an eternal dirt nap. What was all this for? What truly is the reason for us being??? Why are we here? I'm anxious to see your response to that.

There is no reason for being other than whatever the conditions that were essential to the formation of life just happened to exist. I don't know what those conditons were and I don't know how life started. I don't know if science will ever have the answers, but science has an in built intellectual honesty. Science doesn't pretend to have the answers to everything.

There is no evidence of a higher purpose. All evidence points to the conclusion that when you die, that's it, forever. You presumably don't believe that when termites or gorillas die they go to their own version of heaven? Humans, like termites and gorillas, are just another form of life that has evolved and the same end awaits us all. That doesn't mean existence has to be miserable, it doesn't mean that people don't create their own purposes for their own lifes.

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

[RossValoryRocks]

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

I think a Believer feels they aren't going to "die" as it were, but have everlasting life that has been promised them beyond the physical . I think it is far sadder for someone like yourself that believes in the end that they are nothing but worm food. But to each their own...

[Duncan]

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

I think a Believer feels they aren't going to "die" as it were, but have everlasting life that has been promised them beyond the physical . I think it is far sadder for someone like yourself that believes in the end that they are nothing but worm food. But to each their own...

It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway.

[donnaplease]

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

I think a Believer feels they aren't going to "die" as it were, but have everlasting life that has been promised them beyond the physical . I think it is far sadder for someone like yourself that believes in the end that they are nothing but worm food. But to each their own...

It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway.

What makes you think 'believers' don't live their lives to the fullest? I have a very full life - the promise of heaven is just a bonus!

[verslibre]

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

I think a Believer feels they aren't going to "die" as it were, but have everlasting life that has been promised them beyond the physical . I think it is far sadder for someone like yourself that believes in the end that they are nothing but worm food. But to each their own...

It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway.

So your idea of "living life to the fullest" is padding out the nearly-fifty pages' worth of ping-ponging in this thread?

Wow, what an existence.

[S2M]

The promise of heaven is a carrot, dangled in front of people to make sure they stay in line. Again, i keep going back to Carlin's quote, 'Is this the best he could do?' Why make imperfect beings with freewill - then send down a tablet of 10 commandments WELL after the fact?

Also, is there a missing tablet? You know, the one filled with exceptions, and loopholes. Thou shall not commit murder is pretty cut & dried. I saw no exception in times of war. He never mentioned in self defense. He thought us dumb enough to send down 10 rules, but left us enough leeway to interpret his 'word'? Not buying it....

[artist4perry]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

[majik]

Parfait said. Again: Origin of life and theory of evolution are two separate things altogether."


Its the reverse.......Life is the origin of the theory of evolution therefore the theory is not a separate "thing".

Life is present, theory is present. Presence is the origin of life and theory. One presence not two.

Dinosaurs are not present, but they evolved and became extinct.

Is the wave separate from the ocean ?
Like dinosaur, wave is appearance, when wave disappears is anything lost ?? no, because it is ocean and not a separate entity. Wave was always the total but appears not to be.
THIS is the ocean of Being, nothing is separate in Being, You are present ? Yes, thats it!! Thats IT, there is no separate god, Being is the omnipresence.

Thanks for clearing that up. It all makes perfect sense now.

Actually no, it doesn't make sense at all. It will never make sense to the mind because what you are looking for is not lost, never was, never will be. A dog chasing its own tail. Why are you reading and contributing to this thread searching desperately for answers to something you deny, thats crazy. Maybe you would clear that up. Oh! you are living life to the full by Denying the evidence that has always been in front of you.

As you said "
It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway"

Heaven is a concept you are quite correct, god has not asked you to be subservient, thats something you believe. How can This be found if you don't know what it is you are looking for to begin with. Have fun with that for the rest of your life by all means.

What you are looking for is doing the looking, its not lost, but the seeker will never know this. So why are you here??

[majik]

The promise of heaven is a carrot, dangled in front of people to make sure they stay in line. Again, i keep going back to Carlin's quote, 'Is this the best he could do?' Why make imperfect beings with freewill - then send down a tablet of 10 commandments WELL after the fact?

Also, is there a missing tablet? You know, the one filled with exceptions, and loopholes. Thou shall not commit murder is pretty cut & dried. I saw no exception in times of war. He never mentioned in self defense. He thought us dumb enough to send down 10 rules, but left us enough leeway to interpret his 'word'? Not buying it....

Carlin is your God!! and His word your belief, His quotes are your stone tablet equivalent, you are a follower my man. Now thats F....ked up.

[S2M]

The promise of heaven is a carrot, dangled in front of people to make sure they stay in line. Again, i keep going back to Carlin's quote, 'Is this the best he could do?' Why make imperfect beings with freewill - then send down a tablet of 10 commandments WELL after the fact?

Also, is there a missing tablet? You know, the one filled with exceptions, and loopholes. Thou shall not commit murder is pretty cut & dried. I saw no exception in times of war. He never mentioned in self defense. He thought us dumb enough to send down 10 rules, but left us enough leeway to interpret his 'word'? Not buying it....

Carlin is your God!! and His word your belief, His quotes are your stone tablet equivalent, you are a follower my man. Now thats F....ked up.

Yeah, I make 6 pilgrimages a year to Curley's Hotel, in Rockaway Beach, NY - to pay my respects to a person I have actually SEEN.

[majik]

The promise of heaven is a carrot, dangled in front of people to make sure they stay in line. Again, i keep going back to Carlin's quote, 'Is this the best he could do?' Why make imperfect beings with freewill - then send down a tablet of 10 commandments WELL after the fact?

Also, is there a missing tablet? You know, the one filled with exceptions, and loopholes. Thou shall not commit murder is pretty cut & dried. I saw no exception in times of war. He never mentioned in self defense. He thought us dumb enough to send down 10 rules, but left us enough leeway to interpret his 'word'? Not buying it....

Carlin is your God!! and His word your belief, His quotes are your stone tablet equivalent, you are a follower my man. Now thats F....ked up.

Yeah, I make 6 pilgrimages a year to Curley's Hotel, in Rockaway Beach, NY - to pay my respects to a person I have actually SEEN.

I bet you tithe weekly also........ to a person you have faith in WTF dude. He must be rolling in cash from the gullible folks that wear the same atheist label, the badge of honour, the rebel. You're already free but prefer bondage under atheism where its safe and all club.

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spell correction, before the spell check police get in.

[AR]

An article about a local talk show host in my area facing his final few days with pancreatic cancer:

http://townhall.com/columnists/matttowe ... page/full/

As He Lay Dying: The Most Important Column I Will Ever Write


Dec 01, 2011


As I write, a true conservative/libertarian talk show host -- one with a heart, with true personality, with a soul -- is ready to die. He wants to die. And he is the greatest hero I have ever known.

I know I could have more readers if I wrote about my polling showing Newt Gingrich surging, or if I wrote sordid details about my friend Herman Cain. But I can't. I want to write about life and death, and those who face it with courage ... and there are few.

Ron Smith is one of the few. He has been a force on Baltimore radio for well over 20 years. Diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the last year, Smith, whose larger-than-life character made him the king of Baltimore talk radio, became the one person in a million who took bad news and handled it like a man.

Good God how much I wish I had one-tenth of Ron Smith's character, his fortitude, his bravery. This man, who fought for conservative and libertarian views for years on the radio, is the most courageous and honest person I have ever known. He has faced death in the face and said, "I'm ready to die." For heaven's sake, do you know anyone with that courage or the truthfulness to stare death in the face and say, "I want to die?"

This is the greatness of Ron Smith. He fought the battle for those who were conservative, those who wanted government out of their lives and those who wanted a funny, caring personality behind those thoughts. He is a damn American hero.

And they loved him. In Baltimore, where he was on the air for over 20 years, he became an icon. Yet he never sought syndicated radio; just yesterday, he told me, "I loved doing what I did in a community where I felt comfortable."

Oh, yes, your listeners were more than comfortable. Ron, other than Neal Boortz, I never met a talk show host more comfortable in his own skin. Ron laughed, he cried, he joked, he made strong points ... all with a wink in his eye.

When Ron first had me on, I was starting my "journalistic career," and he somehow loved my columns on my beloved Townhall. I was a frequent guest when no person wanted me. Now that Gingrich leads the GOP race, I basically have turned off my phone.

I talked to Ron, right after gushing on his show on Tuesday. He was frank. "I've asked them to increase the pain medications but quit prolonging my life ... I'll be dead in two days."

What do you say to someone you love when they say this is your last conversation?

It's not about Barack Obama, Gingrich or Mitt Romney. It's not even about radio, television or the news. This is the biggest issues of all ... facing death straight on.

No one can do this ... but Ron Smith can, and he has done so.

He told me that he had a few days left. I struggled for words to respond. He told me not to worry, that we don't remember before we were born and that death would likely be the same.

How does one say goodbye to a person who, for no other reason than caring about you and your message, gave the time of day when few others would? I fell back on the most trite of phrases ... the French term of "au revoir." I told Ron that was until we meet again. I have no idea if my past French lessons had held ... I was too busy crying.

God be with you, Ron Smith. You are a great American hero. Damn, I will miss you.

[Duncan]

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

I think a Believer feels they aren't going to "die" as it were, but have everlasting life that has been promised them beyond the physical . I think it is far sadder for someone like yourself that believes in the end that they are nothing but worm food. But to each their own...

It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway.

What makes you think 'believers' don't live their lives to the fullest? I have a very full life - the promise of heaven is just a bonus!

I didn't say they don't.

[Duncan]

I find it tragic that you can't wait to die. It seems that the purpose and value I find in this life is far greater than your own.

I think a Believer feels they aren't going to "die" as it were, but have everlasting life that has been promised them beyond the physical . I think it is far sadder for someone like yourself that believes in the end that they are nothing but worm food. But to each their own...

It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway.

So your idea of "living life to the fullest" is padding out the nearly-fifty pages' worth of ping-ponging in this thread?

Wow, what an existence.

Takes about 10 minutes a day. I'm interested in why people believe in religion. How long do you spend in church and praying, if you want to talk about wasting time?

[Duncan]

Parfait said. Again: Origin of life and theory of evolution are two separate things altogether."


Its the reverse.......Life is the origin of the theory of evolution therefore the theory is not a separate "thing".

Life is present, theory is present. Presence is the origin of life and theory. One presence not two.

Dinosaurs are not present, but they evolved and became extinct.

Is the wave separate from the ocean ?
Like dinosaur, wave is appearance, when wave disappears is anything lost ?? no, because it is ocean and not a separate entity. Wave was always the total but appears not to be.
THIS is the ocean of Being, nothing is separate in Being, You are present ? Yes, thats it!! Thats IT, there is no separate god, Being is the omnipresence.

Thanks for clearing that up. It all makes perfect sense now.

Actually no, it doesn't make sense at all. It will never make sense to the mind because what you are looking for is not lost, never was, never will be. A dog chasing its own tail. Why are you reading and contributing to this thread searching desperately for answers to something you deny, thats crazy. Maybe you would clear that up. Oh! you are living life to the full by Denying the evidence that has always been in front of you.

As you said "
It all comes back to evidence. I would rather live this life to the full based on the evidence that this is the one shot we get than spend my life being subserviant to a god, for whom no evidence exists, in the hope that I might go to heaven. In any event I'm not so sure the concept of heaven is all that appealing anyway"

Heaven is a concept you are quite correct, god has not asked you to be subservient, thats something you believe. How can This be found if you don't know what it is you are looking for to begin with. Have fun with that for the rest of your life by all means.

What you are looking for is doing the looking, its not lost, but the seeker will never know this. So why are you here??

You're right.

[Duncan]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

Not to me it's not.

Nothing down about my mood Ginger.

What does Happy worm day mean?

Are you predicting my death today?

I have absolutely no problem with being worm food, but when I die I have donated any useful organs to medicine and if that is no good I have donated my body to the university for the benefit of the medical students. If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony. Not going to be much left for the worms.

[majik]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

Not to me it's not.

Nothing down about my mood Ginger.

What does Happy worm day mean?

Are you predicting my death today?

I have absolutely no problem with being worm food, but when I die I have donated any useful organs to medicine and if that is no good I have donated my body to the university for the benefit of the medical students. If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony. Not going to be much left for the worms.

[verslibre]

If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony.

What if your body ends up in the hands of Skynet?

[artist4perry]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

Not to me it's not.

Nothing down about my mood Ginger.

What does Happy worm day mean?

Are you predicting my death today?

I have absolutely no problem with being worm food, but when I die I have donated any useful organs to medicine and if that is no good I have donated my body to the university for the benefit of the medical students. If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony. Not going to be much left for the worms.

If your not down then stop being condescending to others. It is not a very good reflection on who you are as a person. As for Happy Worm day, I was not wishing for your demise at all. Just saying you have so much to look forward to when your life ends.

[Duncan]

If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony.

What if your body ends up in the hands of Skynet?

Cool.

[Duncan]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

Not to me it's not.

Nothing down about my mood Ginger.

What does Happy worm day mean?

Are you predicting my death today?

I have absolutely no problem with being worm food, but when I die I have donated any useful organs to medicine and if that is no good I have donated my body to the university for the benefit of the medical students. If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony. Not going to be much left for the worms.

If your not down then stop being condescending to others. It is not a very good reflection on who you are as a person. As for Happy Worm day, I was not wishing for your demise at all. Just saying you have so much to look forward to when your life ends.

Oh really? Have a look at yourself sometime. In fact just read your posts on this page and finish by reading your last sentence above.

[conversationpc]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

Not to me it's not.

Nothing down about my mood Ginger.

What does Happy worm day mean?

Are you predicting my death today?

I have absolutely no problem with being worm food, but when I die I have donated any useful organs to medicine and if that is no good I have donated my body to the university for the benefit of the medical students. If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony. Not going to be much left for the worms.

If your not down then stop being condescending to others. It is not a very good reflection on who you are as a person. As for Happy Worm day, I was not wishing for your demise at all. Just saying you have so much to look forward to when your life ends.

Oh really? Have a look at yourself sometime. In fact just read your posts on this page and finish by reading your last sentence above.

Give me a break...Ginger is about the least offensive and condescending person on this entire forum. Rip has pointed that out on more than one occasion here.

[S2M]

The promise of heaven is a carrot, dangled in front of people to make sure they stay in line. Again, i keep going back to Carlin's quote, 'Is this the best he could do?' Why make imperfect beings with freewill - then send down a tablet of 10 commandments WELL after the fact?

Also, is there a missing tablet? You know, the one filled with exceptions, and loopholes. Thou shall not commit murder is pretty cut & dried. I saw no exception in times of war. He never mentioned in self defense. He thought us dumb enough to send down 10 rules, but left us enough leeway to interpret his 'word'? Not buying it....

[Yoda]

Or maybe God doesn't in fact make imperfect beings, but that God allows imperfections upon the being from the sins passed down from generation to generation? Just a thought, anyway. To me, that makes sense, especially if we go back to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. That was when sin was first introduced into the lives of humans. So, it would be plausible to think the free will God has always given to humans, dating back to Adam and Eve, is what caused imperfection to creep into our lives. Thus, the reason for sending down the Ten Commandments later in the lives of humans, since this imperfection of sin mixed with free will would most certainly cause utter chaos. Again, just my random thoughts - I could be absolutely right, or absolutely wrong.

I think sometimes unbelievers don't understand the concept of wanting what you have / wanting what you need. The belief of the world is always if you just had more of this or that - more money, more land, more fame - you would feel more full filled. But obviously, we can look at the movie stars and other millionaires around the world and see that the wealth and fame doesn't mean your life is full filled. You can have all the money in the world to travel to any place you want, do pretty much anything you want, and still feel a huge void in your life. Some are just never satisfied. The concept of worrying that you'll not be able to live a full filled life as a Christian, because you have to obey so many rules; that is probably one of the biggest misconceptions of the Christian world. OK, so what if being a Christian means you can't use profanity? Well, honestly, how does that profanity equal a quality life? It doesn't. What if being a Christian means you can't drink alcohol, or you can't take drugs to get a high? OK, for some here, that might sound very constrictive, but then again - if happiness in your life means it has to be achieved through chemical dependence, then how is that life fulfillment? What about those who feel imprisoned by their substance abuse - do they feel like they're full filling life? Most of them wished they had the strength to break from it.

My point is basically to say, the life not being full filled argument I don't buy either. Because, fulfillment of life is subjective from one person to the next. One of the biggest concepts of Christianity is knowing and being thankful for things in your life in which you feel are blessings. So, if you're a Christian and you are truly thankful for what you have in life, you understand the concept of wanting what you have, and wanting what you need. I believe, IMHO, that you would have a better understanding and feeling of a life being lived to his fullest than those who base a fulfillment of life on material things. What I might see as "living" might be completely different from someone else. And even that fact, that doesn't mean that someone else couldn't be just as happy in a Christian lifestyle as myself. I don't know, just my two cents worth. I'm just wasting time because I'm too lazy to start my projects here at work!

[Duncan]

http://youtu.be/D4Y1itusHCY

Heaven, I'm in Heaven...............sing along Duncan and S2M you two need to get that burr out of your butts. Maybe a happy song and a little Ginger and Fred will lighten your Debbie Downer moods.



Besides Heaven is more inviting than your worm food ending. Happy worm day!

Not to me it's not.

Nothing down about my mood Ginger.

What does Happy worm day mean?

Are you predicting my death today?

I have absolutely no problem with being worm food, but when I die I have donated any useful organs to medicine and if that is no good I have donated my body to the university for the benefit of the medical students. If they don't want me, or when they have finished with me my body is to be cremated and the ashes disposed of without a funeral or ceremony. Not going to be much left for the worms.

If your not down then stop being condescending to others. It is not a very good reflection on who you are as a person. As for Happy Worm day, I was not wishing for your demise at all. Just saying you have so much to look forward to when your life ends.

Oh really? Have a look at yourself sometime. In fact just read your posts on this page and finish by reading your last sentence above.

Give me a break...Ginger is about the least offensive and condescending person on this entire forum. Rip has pointed that out on more than one occasion here.

I cocked up my post hence the edit.