Religion & Morality

[Rip Rokken]

But that's the whole point. Their is no VALID evidence for his existence. So the fact that you've based a whole life philosophy on him, with no evidence is scary. What 'evidence' have you used to come to the conclusion he exists, other than the usual, 'I was brought up that way'?

I've seen evidence time and time again but it's MY evidence so MY evidence will not be YOUR evidence and it won't convince you. I can't put into words on a message board how or why I know God exists-nor will I attempt to-I have no interest in trying to convince you to believe as I do-and nothing you, or anyone else, says will change my mind either.

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

[verslibre]

I can't prove to you that God exists

Well, I can!!!

Incontrovertible proof for the existence of GOD:

[Angel]

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

I just answered that question....

[Rip Rokken]

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

I just answered that question....

Not that I saw... I read your mention of having personal proof, but nothing that detailed the amount of time you dedicate to God.

[Angel]

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

I just answered that question....

Not that I saw... I read your mention of having personal proof, but nothing that detailed the amount of time you dedicate to God.

Go back a page...fifth post from the bottom.

[S2M]

But that's the whole point. Their is no VALID evidence for his existence. So the fact that you've based a whole life philosophy on him, with no evidence is scary. What 'evidence' have you used to come to the conclusion he exists, other than the usual, 'I was brought up that way'?

I've seen evidence time and time again but it's MY evidence so MY evidence will not be YOUR evidence and it won't convince you. I can't put into words on a message board how or why I know God exists-nor will I attempt to-I have no interest in trying to convince you to believe as I do-and nothing you, or anyone else, says will change my mind either.

Again, gibberish....If we were talking gravity, and I asked for evidence of it - and you stated you had your own evidence that wouldn't be MY evidence - we'd have the SAME exact issue. My evidence is things falling from the area above the ground....to the ground. If there were no gravity you wouldn' have weight. Then...if you said your evidence was different than mine, and it was something like, 'because I just know it exists'. That's what you are claiming with 'god'. BTW, I'm not looking for things to sway ME, or convert me. I'm just trying to prove the point that a lot of people have convictions 'just because'....and when called to defend them - they can't. just saying.....

[Angel]

Again, gibberish....If we were talking gravity, and I asked for evidence of it - and you stated you had your own evidence that wouldn't be MY evidence - we'd have the SAME exact issue. My evidence is things falling from the area above the ground....to the ground. If there were no gravity you wouldn' have weight. Then...if you said your evidence was different than mine, and it was something like, 'because I just know it exists'. That's what you are claiming with 'god'. BTW, I'm not looking for things to sway ME, or convert me. I'm just trying to prove the point that a lot of people have convictions 'just because'....and when called to defend them - they can't. just saying.....

I don't care if you think it's gibberish and I don't need your approval of my beliefs. I believe God exists-you don't. I don't know why you can't just be OK with that....maybe you actually ARE looking for something to convert you.

[majik]

But that's the whole point. Their is no VALID evidence for his existence. So the fact that you've based a whole life philosophy on him, with no evidence is scary. What 'evidence' have you used to come to the conclusion he exists, other than the usual, 'I was brought up that way'?

I've seen evidence time and time again but it's MY evidence so MY evidence will not be YOUR evidence and it won't convince you. I can't put into words on a message board how or why I know God exists-nor will I attempt to-I have no interest in trying to convince you to believe as I do-and nothing you, or anyone else, says will change my mind either.

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

Based on the evidence, is there anywhere else to be but here, and is there any evidence in your own experience that you were not here. Before you were born is not in your own experience is it, that would be a story. What must this be and what must you be if not a story. Look at the evidence and not the story.

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

[Angel]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

[S2M]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

Or you could spend your days in the 'God Exists' thread.....'God exists' thread.....'god exists' thread.....'god exists' thread......

[steveo777]

The devil exists....the devil exists....the devil exists. I see him every day, everywhere I go.

[majik]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

Or you could spend your days in the 'God Exists' thread.....'God exists' thread.....'god exists' thread.....'god exists' thread......

I have not said God exists, God/god does not exist, get your facts straight before making false assertions. God/god is a concept and I have said all concepts are false. I'm forced to use the word/concept in the thread thats it. For the record I don't want to join the Atheist club either, thats a badge a label. The atheist is as off the wall as are people of faith, not sure which is worse.

Believers try to get children as young as possible but atheists claim all babies are already atheist!! is that as soon as they pop out or at conception, ( another concept) get in there fast guys with the label because thats all it is.

Atheists keep crying out show me the evidence where is the evidence, don't you get it yet there is no evidence for concepts, because concepts are false and as you all can see concepts DO NOT stand up to investigation, they are stories. What does this leave ????

The evidence is all around, here it is...... its THIS!! This is the only evidence there will ever be, when you try to say what it is you are into concepts again, a fairy tale. Is it God? that is a concept, is it Now? that is a concept, is it evolution ? that is a concept. This, simply THIS is what is happening it is all there is, all there ever will be, it not a story or a concept its a fact and you ignore the factual evidence for the story/concept that is atheism!! Non conceptual REALITY!

Atheists are pussies wake up there is no God, clear enough for you S2M the bad cop and thats just a story also.

There is more TRUTH in the single word thread than there is here in this 48 page thread of garbage. I'm happy to say I know NOTHING but there is THIS, here it is.

[S2M]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

Or you could spend your days in the 'God Exists' thread.....'God exists' thread.....'god exists' thread.....'god exists' thread......

I have not said God exists, God/god does not exist, get your facts straight before making false assertions. God/god is a concept and I have said all concepts are false. I'm forced to use the word/concept in the thread thats it. For the record I don't want to join the Atheist club either, thats a badge a label. The atheist is as off the wall as are people of faith, not sure which is worse.

Believers try to get children as young as possible but atheists claim all babies are already atheist!! is that as soon as they pop out or at conception, ( another concept) get in there fast guys with the label because thats all it is.

Atheists keep crying out show me the evidence where is the evidence, don't you get it yet there is no evidence for concepts, because concepts are false and as you all can see concepts DO NOT stand up to investigation, they are stories. What does this leave ????

The evidence is all around, here it is...... its THIS!! This is the only evidence there will ever be, when you try to say what it is you are into concepts again, a fairy tale. Is it God? that is a concept, is it Now? that is a concept, is it evolution ? that is a concept. This, simply THIS is what is happening it is all there is, all there ever will be, it not a story or a concept its a fact and you ignore the factual evidence for the story/concept that is atheism!! Non conceptual REALITY!

Atheists are pussies wake up there is no God, clear enough for you S2M the bad cop and thats just a story also.

There is more TRUTH in the single word thread than there is here in this 48 page thread of garbage. I'm happy to say I know NOTHING but there is THIS, here it is.

Dude, you are one magic trick I do not wanna know the secret of.....

[majik]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

Or you could spend your days in the 'God Exists' thread.....'God exists' thread.....'god exists' thread.....'god exists' thread......

I have not said God exists, God/god does not exist, get your facts straight before making false assertions. God/god is a concept and I have said all concepts are false. I'm forced to use the word/concept in the thread thats it. For the record I don't want to join the Atheist club either, thats a badge a label. The atheist is as off the wall as are people of faith, not sure which is worse.

Believers try to get children as young as possible but atheists claim all babies are already atheist!! is that as soon as they pop out or at conception, ( another concept) get in there fast guys with the label because thats all it is.

Atheists keep crying out show me the evidence where is the evidence, don't you get it yet there is no evidence for concepts, because concepts are false and as you all can see concepts DO NOT stand up to investigation, they are stories. What does this leave ????

The evidence is all around, here it is...... its THIS!! This is the only evidence there will ever be, when you try to say what it is you are into concepts again, a fairy tale. Is it God? that is a concept, is it Now? that is a concept, is it evolution ? that is a concept. This, simply THIS is what is happening it is all there is, all there ever will be, it not a story or a concept its a fact and you ignore the factual evidence for the story/concept that is atheism!! Non conceptual REALITY!

Atheists are pussies wake up there is no God, clear enough for you S2M the bad cop and thats just a story also.

There is more TRUTH in the single word thread than there is here in this 48 page thread of garbage. I'm happy to say I know NOTHING but there is THIS, here it is.

Dude, you are one magic trick I do not wanna know the secret of.....

And that is as close as you will ever get to knowing. Stay there its PEACE.

[G.I.Jim]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

Or you could spend your days in the 'God Exists' thread.....'God exists' thread.....'god exists' thread.....'god exists' thread......

I have not said God exists, God/god does not exist, get your facts straight before making false assertions. God/god is a concept and I have said all concepts are false. I'm forced to use the word/concept in the thread thats it. For the record I don't want to join the Atheist club either, thats a badge a label. The atheist is as off the wall as are people of faith, not sure which is worse.

Believers try to get children as young as possible but atheists claim all babies are already atheist!! is that as soon as they pop out or at conception, ( another concept) get in there fast guys with the label because thats all it is.

Atheists keep crying out show me the evidence where is the evidence, don't you get it yet there is no evidence for concepts, because concepts are false and as you all can see concepts DO NOT stand up to investigation, they are stories. What does this leave ????

The evidence is all around, here it is...... its THIS!! This is the only evidence there will ever be, when you try to say what it is you are into concepts again, a fairy tale. Is it God? that is a concept, is it Now? that is a concept, is it evolution ? that is a concept. This, simply THIS is what is happening it is all there is, all there ever will be, it not a story or a concept its a fact and you ignore the factual evidence for the story/concept that is atheism!! Non conceptual REALITY!

Atheists are pussies wake up there is no God, clear enough for you S2M the bad cop and thats just a story also.

There is more TRUTH in the single word thread than there is here in this 48 page thread of garbage. I'm happy to say I know NOTHING but there is THIS, here it is.

Dude, you are one magic trick I do not wanna know the secret of.....

And that is as close as you will ever get to knowing. Stay there its PEACE.

Is English your second language?

[majik]

I'm just trying hard to increase my posts number so I can join the club guys.

You should check out the "Now Playing" or the "Single Word" threads.

Or you could spend your days in the 'God Exists' thread.....'God exists' thread.....'god exists' thread.....'god exists' thread......

I have not said God exists, God/god does not exist, get your facts straight before making false assertions. God/god is a concept and I have said all concepts are false. I'm forced to use the word/concept in the thread thats it. For the record I don't want to join the Atheist club either, thats a badge a label. The atheist is as off the wall as are people of faith, not sure which is worse.

Believers try to get children as young as possible but atheists claim all babies are already atheist!! is that as soon as they pop out or at conception, ( another concept) get in there fast guys with the label because thats all it is.

Atheists keep crying out show me the evidence where is the evidence, don't you get it yet there is no evidence for concepts, because concepts are false and as you all can see concepts DO NOT stand up to investigation, they are stories. What does this leave ????

The evidence is all around, here it is...... its THIS!! This is the only evidence there will ever be, when you try to say what it is you are into concepts again, a fairy tale. Is it God? that is a concept, is it Now? that is a concept, is it evolution ? that is a concept. This, simply THIS is what is happening it is all there is, all there ever will be, it not a story or a concept its a fact and you ignore the factual evidence for the story/concept that is atheism!! Non conceptual REALITY!

Atheists are pussies wake up there is no God, clear enough for you S2M the bad cop and thats just a story also.

There is more TRUTH in the single word thread than there is here in this 48 page thread of garbage. I'm happy to say I know NOTHING but there is THIS, here it is.

Dude, you are one magic trick I do not wanna know the secret of.....

And that is as close as you will ever get to knowing. Stay there its PEACE.

Is English your second language?

Is that the real G.I.Jim??

English is not my main means of communication but only the ego would brag about that.

Pog mo thoin, dude. Google it for translation.

[S2M]

Nice Gay-Lick you got there.....

I'll remember to get you a hoodie-footie for Xmas....

[S2M]

OH GINGER!!!!

[majik]

Nice Gay-Lick you got there.....

I'll remember to get you a hoodie-footie for Xmas....

S2M believing his assumptions again. Doh!!

Thank God for google its that G word again you made me do it. G for google that is. This thread is far more interesting now. Only 11,000 more posts to catch up to you. How much is the subscription fee again.


Edit:
The club, the big click, the tag team all rally round, S2M, Rip, now the real G.I.Jim, could mention at least two more all against one, bit uneven mate. All because you guys can't handle the truth. Its great to see its all about me, me ,me!!! Showing your true colours now are we. The bully boys of melodicrock forum.

Quick bring on the edit police . Disappointed!! but who cares its the dance that IS

[Rip Rokken]

What do you think of my question #1 - how much time do you spend one-on-one with the Almighty? In prayer, in church, reading the Bible, preaching the Gospel - all these things count.

Sorry, I must have missed question #1.....I can't really say that I can give you an exact number but I pray at a minimum twice a day but most days it's far more. I pray morning and night and thank God for those blessings I've seen during the day. I pray whenever I encounter challenges or questions. I pray before every birth I attend and ask God to be with me and direct me to help the mother and baby to be safe. I read scriptures for about 30 minutes per day-somedays more some less. I spend 3 hours in church every week and I spend an hour preparing for the children's class that I teach each week. Now, having said that-I recognize the role God plays in every aspect of my life everyday so in one sense or another he is always with me. ...and I just spent about 5 minutes typing all of this out-does that count?

Sounds good on paper of course. But adding the hard numbers together (3hrs. + 30 min), then factoring all the other items (most prayers last less than 1 minute), I'm estimating around 4 hrs. per week on the top side. Hell, I'll give you 5. Assuming 8 hrs of sleep per night, 16 waking hours x 7 days = 112. That means that out of every 33 hours, you spend less than 1 with God. I'm too intoxicated and exhausted right now to do the math, but I think it comes out to God not existing.

(NOTE: Sorry for the botched attempt at math, lol. 30 minutes a day adds a few more hours. I was really trashed last night.)

[conversationpc]

But that's the whole point. Their is no VALID evidence for his existence. So the fact that you've based a whole life philosophy on him, with no evidence is scary. What 'evidence' have you used to come to the conclusion he exists, other than the usual, 'I was brought up that way'?

I've seen evidence time and time again but it's MY evidence so MY evidence will not be YOUR evidence and it won't convince you. I can't put into words on a message board how or why I know God exists-nor will I attempt to-I have no interest in trying to convince you to believe as I do-and nothing you, or anyone else, says will change my mind either.

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

Unless a person's been called into full-time service as a minister, missionary, etc., this question is really pointless. God doesn't give us a formula that we have to fulfill for a certain amount of time spent dwelling on him.

[Rip Rokken]

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

Unless a person's been called into full-time service as a minister, missionary, etc., this question is really pointless. God doesn't give us a formula that we have to fulfill for a certain amount of time spent dwelling on him.

So that verse directing people to "unceasingly pray" was just for the professionals? I really find your response interesting, though. "Dwelling" on him? How much time do you spend dwelling on your wife? The word is so impersonal... especially for a 'personal' god who you are supposedly betrothed to.

[conversationpc]

How much time do you spend with God, in one-on-one communication or advancing his will on earth? Serious question. I know for my part, if I knew I were in personal contact with the being that created this entire universe and everything in it, I'd never waste a second of my life being anywhere else.

Unless a person's been called into full-time service as a minister, missionary, etc., this question is really pointless. God doesn't give us a formula that we have to fulfill for a certain amount of time spent dwelling on him.

So that verse directing people to "unceasingly pray" was just for the professionals? I really find your response interesting, though. "Dwelling" on him? How much time do you spend dwelling on your wife? The word is so impersonal... especially for a 'personal' god who you are supposedly betrothed to.

"Dwelling" is impersonal? Really? The word means to "fasten one's attention", which indicates you're spending a lot of time with or thinking about what the object of attention is. Doesn't seem impersonal to me at all.

As for unceasingly pray, I think you're taking it quite too literally. It's impossible for any Christian, no matter one who's in full-time service or not, to literally, cognitively focus on God in prayer 24 hours a day. I'd refer to that command as a "purposeful exaggeration", sort of like when my dog eats another pair of shoes and I tell him that I'm going to "kill" him.

[Angel]

I'm too intoxicated and exhausted right now to do the math, but I think it comes out to God not existing.

(NOTE: Sorry for the botched attempt at math, lol. 30 minutes a day adds a few more hours. I was really trashed last night.)

I really wish you would let me know you're hammered BEFORE I start arguing with you-I HATE arguing with drunk people.....it's an unfair advantage in an already unequal fight.

[donnaplease]

So, do you "non-believers" believe in love?

[S2M]

So, do you "non-believers" believe in love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c3g6tTYoxM&ob=av2n

[majik]

So, do you "non-believers" believe in love?

This is a question that is asked because of a sense of separation, the separate individual me. When there is no sense of the individual separate entity there is what could be called unconditional love, thats love.

[donnaplease]

So, do you "non-believers" believe in love?

This is a question that is asked because of a sense of separation, the separate individual me. When there is no sense of the individual separate entity there is what could be called unconditional love, thats love.

Huh?

[majik]

So, do you "non-believers" believe in love?

This is a question that is asked because of a sense of separation, the separate individual me. When there is no sense of the individual separate entity there is what could be called unconditional love, thats love.

Huh?

The separate self is an idea and from that perspective the idea of love is conditional. Then love is labeled, romantic love, love for family, love for friends, love of music and possesions etc. Then there is the opposite of that, dislike or hate, all from a sense of separation. To receive this labeled love there are conditions attached which the idividual must adhere to or they face rejection. its not true unconditional love.

What is your idea of love, is it unconditional and expressed freely.

[Duncan]

So, do you "non-believers" believe in love?

The first thing that I need to make clear is that there is only one thing atheists have in common and that is a non belief in god. Other than that there is no common belief set so I can only answer your question personally. Yes, I believe in love, but if you are going down road of saying you can't see love and can't prove love, but you know it exists and this is how Christians know God exists, then I think you are on the wrong track.

Love is an emotion, the same as anger and chemical changes in the body can be observed. Have a look at this link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/love/