2004 Journey Detour Concert now on YouTube

[Majestic]

I don't think he is lipping in any of these clips, or if he is, it's not to the 2001 DVD, and he lipped to something which isn't very perfect.

I can here Deen assisting on many high notes, but that's fair enough, it's still live.

[AR]

I can capture these clips no problem. Did a few trials last night and they look and sound great. The audio ends up being a half second fast out of sync so it will require some post processing though. I think I have the program to deal with that. (AVIdemux 2.5)

[onmyjrny]

I don't understand why he would lip to 5 seconds of a song either?? Why not either do the song whole or lip the whole thing?

If there was a particular part of a song that SA would struggle with, Elson would switch to canned audio briefly. As Herbie said, what started as a crutch spiraled out of control. But let's focus on the positive. All in all, it's a good performance from the guys.

Thanks! That makes sense. I still enjoy watching these. IMO, Augeri is a better front man than Arnel. Arnel is a better vocalist. As far as a live performance goes, I'd rather watch this era of Journey, even with vocal problems. They all just seem to be enjoying themselves so much. I don't see that as much in later performances.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think he is lipping in any of these clips, or if he is, it's not to the 2001 DVD, and he lipped to something which isn't very perfect.

Then you are stone-dead. Sorry. SHML is from "Vegas 2001" note for note. I'd stake my left nut on it. For better or worse, Augeri is a pitchy live singer. The difference between him and the dvd is night and day. We're not re-debating this. Denialists like you had your head in the sand up until the day SA got the boot. And even then, you meekly shouted "Conspiracy!!!"

[Eric]

Sorry...I still feel the 2002 and 2004 tours were pointless. Secondary markets, dull stage...no new album..contributed to fatigue...etc.

[AR]

Sorry...I still feel the 2002 and 2004 tours were pointless. Secondary markets, dull stage...no new album..contributed to fatigue...etc.

"Dull stage" covers just about every Journey tour. That's a department they've always been lacking in.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry...I still feel the 2002 and 2004 tours were pointless. Secondary markets, dull stage...no new album..contributed to fatigue...etc.

Honestly, after "Arrival", the SA lineup pretty much shot their wad. Even the "Generations" tour was half-assed. The album felt like a throwaway and an in-between diversion for Neal, whose true passion lied elsewhere (ie Soul Sirkus).

[Eric]

Sorry...I still feel the 2002 and 2004 tours were pointless. Secondary markets, dull stage...no new album..contributed to fatigue...etc.

"Dull stage" covers just about every Journey tour. That's a department they've always been lacking in.

I dunno....2005, 2008 and 2011 were pretty nice. I'd argue this year was their best since Frontiers.

[jrnyjetster]

"Dull stage" covers just about every Journey tour. That's a department they've always been lacking in.

Definitely not this past tour...the Eclipse stage is the most elaborate I've seen since the Frontiers tour.

[AR]

"Dull stage" covers just about every Journey tour. That's a department they've always been lacking in.

Definitely not this past tour...the Eclipse stage is the most elaborate I've seen since the Frontiers tour.

Eclipse stage in today's world is still dull. Frontiers was their best stage show by far.

Part of the disappointment of Journey's live visual presentation is that they've always had (for the most part) very cool album covers.

[Red13JoePa]

This fucking tour was amazing.

One of my most prized boots.

I'd rate the Augeri tour setlists, without debating fuzzy mics and switch flipping and such:

1)DeTour
2) Generations
2) Under The Radar

[Red13JoePa]

I have a full "puffy microphone" show from the Generations tour on DVD.

Beacon, NYC?

Phenomenal show, got it from you n Niggy.

[AR]

I have a full "puffy microphone" show from the Generations tour on DVD.

Beacon, NYC?

Phenomenal show, got it from you n Niggy.

Baltimore - Rams Head Live - 1500 seater. Show shot in their face. I was there and know the guy who filmed it.

[Red13JoePa]

Aw that I gotta see...

LOVE club shows...

[brywool]

I like Augeri, but man...
he's doing all the money notes in a pretty weak falsetto.
Listen to Rubicon, his pitch is all over the place.
You can see that Deen is hitting the high note with him.
Augeri's a great guy. Class act. His recorded work was excellent.
But live he just had a really hard time with this catalog.
As much as I want to cheer lead with you guys, I can't.
I think he was just not good with live Journey.

He's just not a vocal alchemist like Perry. That's ok. Very few are, and there's more to being a frontman than hitting high notes using chest voice.

He's not just a front man. He's a lead SINGER. He NEEDS to have the goods.

[The_Noble_Cause]

He's not just a front man. He's a lead SINGER. He NEEDS to have the goods.

True dat. Journey is such a vocal-oriented group. It's not a party band, like Poison, were the frontman can afford to sound like shit. The band should've either went with Chalfant or Bolton (if they wanted to change their sound) in the late 80s.

[brywool]

He's not just a front man. He's a lead SINGER. He NEEDS to have the goods.

True dat. Journey is such a vocal-oriented group. It's not a party band, like Poison, were the frontman can afford to sound like shit. The band should've either went with Chalfant or Bolton (if they wanted to change their sound) in the late 80s.

BOLTON??? WHO ARE YOU?? Yer creepin me out!


I don't get the Chalfant-mania either. He's 'ok' with the Storm, but his Journey covers did nothing for me. Keep in mind, those are the only two environments I've heard him in. He's a good singer, but ... As far as a vocalist, I think Journey made the right choice. I can concur with some of the criticisms of the 'front man' abilities, but I think they're blown out of proportion when compared to what he brings as a singer. Just my opinion.

[Arkansas]

Any video of the night Augeri bailed?


later~

[Navarro]

I like Augeri, but man...
he's doing all the money notes in a pretty weak falsetto.
Listen to Rubicon, his pitch is all over the place.
You can see that Deen is hitting the high note with him.
Augeri's a great guy. Class act. His recorded work was excellent.
But live he just had a really hard time with this catalog.
As much as I want to cheer lead with you guys, I can't.
I think he was just not good with live Journey.

For me, this is spot on. I like SA's studio work, but live is another story. I really only want to hear SP sing the classics. They should have replaced him once his voice went. Chalfant would have been a better choice back in 1997-8. Considering Chalfant was practically in Journey once, it is beyond me why they didn't just go with him.

[brandonx76]

Any video of the night Augeri bailed?


later~

Did that really happen? What were the details? (he walked off cuz his voice was shot?)?

[The_Noble_Cause]

BOLTON??? WHO ARE YOU?? Yer creepin me out!

Don't rule it out.
The Bolton/Cain/Schon collaborations sound very Journeyish and just slightly different enough to let the band move forward (think Hagar w/ VH).
It would still have been melodic rock with an over-emotive motown singer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIzC7jxiZ4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it1aK3NcxAg

[brandonx76]

Nice tracks TNG...did they tour with him?

[Ehwmatt]

Nice tracks TNG...did they tour with him?

Hey bud, jut got on CoD last night after a busy couple of weeks. We need to play sometime. Saw you haven't been on in a while either. Gideon, GIJim, and I were playing last night. It was fun.

[Majestic]

I think you're wrong.

Nothing on the DVD sounds that raw and bad, except for the tail end of Stone in Love where Steve's improvisation is lacking.

Here is Send Her My Love from the 2001 DVD for comparison: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mqq5oSj2eU

I don't think he is lipping in any of these clips, or if he is, it's not to the 2001 DVD, and he lipped to something which isn't very perfect.

Then you are stone-dead. Sorry. SHML is from "Vegas 2001" note for note. I'd stake my left nut on it. For better or worse, Augeri is a pitchy live singer. The difference between him and the dvd is night and day. We're not re-debating this. Denialists like you had your head in the sand up until the day SA got the boot. And even then, you meekly shouted "Conspiracy!!!"

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think you're wrong.

Nothing on the DVD sounds that raw and bad, except for the tail end of Stone in Love where Steve's improvisation is lacking.

Here is Send Her My Love from the 2001 DVD for comparison: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mqq5oSj2eU

Don't care what you think. You weren't around during Tapegate, and if you were, you prolly would've let the fraud continue unabated. SHML doesn't sound "raw and bad", it's the exact same vocal from Vegas 2001! In your initial post, you mentioned Deen's background vox. Deen's voice isn't even in the mix for SHML, which is the only song in question as being lipped (with the exception of a few seconds of SW). So you're just throwing up red herrings for the sake of obsfucation. That, or you're more hearing-impaired than Hellen Keller. Go the hell away.

[Gideon]

I prefer Jon's 2009 piano solo for its melody, but it's great to see him enjoying himself in these videos.

[Majestic]

I think you're wrong.

Nothing on the DVD sounds that raw and bad, except for the tail end of Stone in Love where Steve's improvisation is lacking.

Here is Send Her My Love from the 2001 DVD for comparison: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mqq5oSj2eU

Don't care what you think. You weren't around during Tapegate, and if you were, you prolly would've let the fraud continue unabated. SHML doesn't sound "raw and bad", it's the exact same vocal from Vegas 2001! In your initial post, you mentioned Deen's background vox. Deen's voice isn't even in the mix for SHML, which is the only song in question as being lipped (with the exception of a few seconds of SW). So you're just throwing up red herrings for the sake of obsfucation. That, or you're more hearing-impaired than Hellen Keller. Go the hell away.

Listen to the 2001 DVD clip I posted above. The singing differs and is better. As for all your other comments, I never said Steve never lipped, I only said he didn't lip in these clips, and he didn't.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Listen to the 2001 DVD clip I posted above. The singing differs and is better. As for all your other comments, I never said Steve never lipped, I only said he didn't lip in these clips, and he didn't.

The vocal track is identical. Look, this forum used to be flooded with posts like yours. Even when the vocal was broken down and analyzed by soundwaves, and Augeri all but confessed by relying on a comically oversized fuzzy mic head. Plain and simple - you haven't a clue. I would bet all the crack in Camden that SHML is lipped here. In fact, I KNOW it is.

And for the last time, nobody said Augeri lipped in all these clips. There is ONE clip- SHML - and a challenging part during SW. The practice is common in many live acts. You obviously didn't even read the initial post. Go away, go away, go away.

[Archetype]

I was skeptical until he did the "Journey's on the road again" line. Exactly the same as on the 2001 DVD. 100% identical

[onmyjrny]

I admit, I was skeptical too. Not that the whole lip syncing thing didn't happen, but that SHML was lipped here. But you are right. If you play them side by side and analyze every note (okay, I was bored!) they are identical. There is just the one part in the 2001 DVD where he says something to an audience member that was taken out of the later show.