Star Wars

[Monker]

And for the record, I'm Randal Graves, and TNC is the guy who threw up!!

LOTR>ST>SW>Game of Thrones

I prefer LOTR to Star Bores, too.

I meant in the way he was acting. "You don't know what good sci fi is!" Only a serious nerd would say that.

The truth is you come across as pretty ignorant of the genre...you basically come off as somebody who runs to IMDB and WIKI, etc, for almost all of your knowledge outside of BSG/ST/SW and use those factoids to make your arguments. Somebody who holds up one series above all others should have known about Sliders, the history of an iconic show like Dr. Who, among other things. You basically discredit yourself.

If it's 'nerdy' to have a good knowledge about a topic you are debating, then that's fine with me. I've loved scifi stuff my entire life. If that makes me a scifi nerd, that's fine with me.

[Monker]

Lucas is a great ideas man, but I'm not impressed with his skills as a director or script writer.
That said, the prequels had great acting moments. Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor, and Christopher Lee were fantastic.

I have to say for a man who created out of Popsicle sticks and ping pong balls when there were no special effects to be spoken of, the man created something phenomenal and is laughing all the way to the bank.

And, the funniest thing is one of the guys who worked on the effects for the first SW movine also worked on the effects for the original BSG, and the first Star Trek movie. John Dykstra's should be much better known.

[Andrew]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

[verslibre]

The truth is you come across as pretty ignorant of the genre...you basically come off as somebody who runs to IMDB and WIKI, etc, for almost all of your knowledge outside of BSG/ST/SW and use those factoids to make your arguments. Somebody who holds up one series above all others should have known about Sliders, the history of an iconic show like Dr. Who, among other things.

Was never into Sliders. Forgot all about it. Saw O'Connell's mug and remembered it. I already explained that.

So since I didn't know the EXACT year that Who's initial run ended ('89) offhand, I...

You basically discredit yourself.

...really? Okay.

If it's 'nerdy' to have a good knowledge about a topic you are debating, then that's fine with me. I've loved scifi stuff my entire life. If that makes me a scifi nerd, that's fine with me.

You need to lighten up. I grew up watching horror and SF (just more horror than SF). I am up-front and brutally honest about my opinions re: Luca$ and Joss Whedon and the bulk of SyFy's lame programming.

If you have a problem with that...well, shit, that's YOUR problem, isn't it?

[verslibre]

Lucas is a great ideas man, but I'm not impressed with his skills as a director or script writer.
That said, the prequels had great acting moments. Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor, and Christopher Lee were fantastic.

I have to say for a man who created out of Popsicle sticks and ping pong balls when there were no special effects to be spoken of, the man created something phenomenal and is laughing all the way to the bank.

And, the funniest thing is one of the guys who worked on the effects for the first SW movine also worked on the effects for the original BSG, and the first Star Trek movie. John Dykstra's should be much better known.

Anyone who read Starlog knows who John Dykstra is.

But do YOU know who stuntman extraordinaire Dick Ziker is? Didn't think so.

[verslibre]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

[Monker]

The truth is you come across as pretty ignorant of the genre...you basically come off as somebody who runs to IMDB and WIKI, etc, for almost all of your knowledge outside of BSG/ST/SW and use those factoids to make your arguments. Somebody who holds up one series above all others should have known about Sliders, the history of an iconic show like Dr. Who, among other things.

Was never into Sliders. Forgot all about it. Saw O'Connell's mug and remembered it. I already explained that.

So since I didn't know the EXACT year that Who's initial run ended ('89) offhand, I...

Being exact isn't the point. You were clueless about the point the TNC was making, because you are clueless about Dr. Who, which is an iconic scifi show, the first one to be exact...even before ST:TOS. So, for you to come off clueless about DW, makes you seem like an idiot looking up stuff online to make it seem like you know what you are talking about.

If it's 'nerdy' to have a good knowledge about a topic you are debating, then that's fine with me. I've loved scifi stuff my entire life. If that makes me a scifi nerd, that's fine with me.

You need to lighten up. I grew up watching horror and SF (just more horror than SF). I am up-front and brutally honest about my opinions re: Luca$ and Joss Whedon and the bulk of SyFy's lame programming.

If you have a problem with that...well, shit, that's YOUR problem, isn't it?

I don't have a problem with that.

However, to prop up BSG, and putting it above iconic scifi that you are not even very familiar with makes your opinion pretty much worthless.

[Monker]

Lucas is a great ideas man, but I'm not impressed with his skills as a director or script writer.
That said, the prequels had great acting moments. Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor, and Christopher Lee were fantastic.

I have to say for a man who created out of Popsicle sticks and ping pong balls when there were no special effects to be spoken of, the man created something phenomenal and is laughing all the way to the bank.

And, the funniest thing is one of the guys who worked on the effects for the first SW movine also worked on the effects for the original BSG, and the first Star Trek movie. John Dykstra's should be much better known.

Anyone who read Starlog knows who John Dykstra is.

But do YOU know who stuntman extraordinaire Dick Ziker is? Didn't think so.

Never read Starlog,

I know about Dystra because of the SW/BSG lawsuit...even when I was 10yrs old, I knew that George Lucas was not REALLY the person responsible for the ground breaking special effects...it was people like John Dystra. HE advanced scifi in the theater in ways that Lucas is given sole credit for.

For some reason, I didn't think artist4perry knew the above. From her comment, she doesn't realize that he isn't the sole person who deserves the credit.

I wasn't getting into some pissing match with you. I don't care who some stuntman is. Good for you if you do.

[Monker]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Well, since it grossed over 400 million dollars and was the #1 of that year, I think the point is kinda mute.

[RedWingFan]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Well, since it grossed over 400 million dollars and was the #1 of that year, I think the point is kinda mute.

It's "moot"!!! Democrat voters!!!

[Andrew]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Well, since it grossed over 400 million dollars and was the #1 of that year, I think the point is kinda mute.

Not for me. Can't watch it. Between that annoying walking turd on stilts with those floppy as ears and Neeson's stuck on pubes...

#3 was great though.

[verslibre]

However, to prop up BSG, and putting it above iconic scifi that you are not even very familiar with makes your opinion pretty much worthless.

The last time I checked...Sliders wasn't considered "Iconic SF." The key word here being "iconic."

You know what is? Moore's BSG, along with (all incarnations of) Star Trek, Star Wars, The X-Files, Babylon 5, Doctor Who (duh), (the original) V, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone and even Firefly and Stargate. Maybe on a "Top 50" list, Sliders is #47 or 48, right above or below Andromeda or something like that. How many people do you honestly run into who are gnarly fans of that show, anyway? Is there such a thing as a SlidersCon or something?

Chill with the Dr. Who Trivial Pursuit, already. Just because I didn't know it ended "for good" the first time in '89? Even your buddy said it's not a show that was aired regularly here, unless PBS felt like throwing up a few episodes from the Tom Baker era before/after Masterpiece Theater.

[verslibre]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Well, since it grossed over 400 million dollars and was the #1 of that year, I think the point is kinda mute.

It's MOOT, not "mute."

And you say I "discredit" myself.

[verslibre]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Well, since it grossed over 400 million dollars and was the #1 of that year, I think the point is kinda mute.

It's "moot"!!! Democrat voters!!!

It's got nothing to do with any political affiliation. I've got "Repub" friends who write "repoire" when they mean rapport, and "rapertoir" when they mean repertoire.

[verslibre]

Never read Starlog,

Really? I'd wager any "SF fan" who's worth his salt and past the age of 30 or 32 likely paged through a few copies when he was a teen. You know, before all this netbiz. My main "rag" was Fangoria, though, by far.

I know about Dystra because of the SW/BSG lawsuit...even when I was 10yrs old, I knew that George Lucas was not REALLY the person responsible for the ground breaking special effects...it was people like John Dystra. HE advanced scifi in the theater in ways that Lucas is given sole credit for.

That's why I spell it "Luca$" with the dollar sign. He's more of a brand than anything.

I wasn't getting into some pissing match with you. I don't care who some stuntman is. Good for you if you do.

He's not just "some stuntman," he's considered a guru among stuntmen.

[S2M]

Kane Hodder is a guru.....

And boy Am I ever sorry I started this thread.....

[verslibre]

Kane Hodder is a guru.....

So is Dick Warlock!

[The_Noble_Cause]

...right above or below Andromeda or something like that.

GREAT show. Shame Kevin Sorbo's Hercules-sized ego and the suits had to fire showrunner, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, (another Star Trek vet), and turn it into garbage.

[Monker]

However, to prop up BSG, and putting it above iconic scifi that you are not even very familiar with makes your opinion pretty much worthless.

The last time I checked...Sliders wasn't considered "Iconic SF." The key word here being "iconic."

I wasn't talking about specifically about Sliders. Your opinions seem generally based on what pops on Google.

You know what is? Moore's BSG, along with (all incarnations of) Star Trek, Star Wars, The X-Files, Babylon 5, Doctor Who (duh), (the original) V, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone and even Firefly and Stargate. Maybe on a "Top 50" list, Sliders is #47 or 48, right above or below Andromeda or something like that. How many people do you honestly run into who are gnarly fans of that show, anyway? Is there such a thing as a SlidersCon or something?

Sliders had its fanbase for years after it was canceled along with rumors of Tracy Torme wanting to make a movie out of it...I think he hated the fact that he lost control of the series and that it drifted so far away from it's original premise. The FACT is that you are wrong...there was a legion of fans doing a "bring back Sliders" campaign. In fact, it was the predecessor to the "Bring back Farscape" campaign...which somewhat worked since we got "Peacemaker Wars". Don't know about today...but it has been years since Sliders has been on. But, it definitely had just as much of a following as all of those shows.

And, again you show your ignorance. You mention Dr. Who...probably only because it has been brought up here. But, fail to mention "Blake's 7", which is just as iconic as Dr. Who, ST, SW, or even BSG. I'd LOVE to see an updated version of that show. Avon was such an awesome character.

I would also throw in Torchwood...."Children of Earth" is some of the best drama, of any genre, to be televised. The Americanized version has lost a step, but hopefully it can pick itself up.

If you are going to put "Outer Limits" to your list, you may as well add "One Step Beyond".

And, "Lost in Space" as well deserves to be there.
And, "Planet of the Apes", not so much the series but the original series of movies.
And, I would always put Farscape as one of the best scifi series ever made.
And, for the smeg of it, I'd throw in "Red Dwarf".

Chill with the Dr. Who Trivial Pursuit, already. Just because I didn't know it ended "for good" the first time in '89? Even your buddy said it's not a show that was aired regularly here, unless PBS felt like throwing up a few episodes from the Tom Baker era before/after Masterpiece Theater.

If you follow scifi in the way you seem to want us to believe, you should have known all of this already. Anybody who needs to be told that Dr. Who was a PBS only show for the early years, and not a very well known series in the US, is SERIOUSLY lacking in their scifi knowledge...and the same goes for "Blake's 7".

[Monker]

...right above or below Andromeda or something like that.

GREAT show. Shame Kevin Sorbo's Hercules-sized ego and the suits had to fire showrunner, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, (another Star Trek vet), and turn it into garbage.

Yep....I agree with that, too. Yet another scifi blunder.

[verslibre]

And, again you show your ignorance. You mention Dr. Who...probably only because it has been brought up here. But, fail to mention "Blake's 7", which is just as iconic as Dr. Who, ST, SW, or even BSG. I'd LOVE to see an updated version of that show. Avon was such an awesome character.

I would also throw in Torchwood...."Children of Earth" is some of the best drama, of any genre, to be televised. The Americanized version has lost a step, but hopefully it can pick itself up.

If you are going to put "Outer Limits" to your list, you may as well add "One Step Beyond".

And, "Lost in Space" as well deserves to be there.
And, "Planet of the Apes", not so much the series but the original series of movies.
And, I would always put Farscape as one of the best scifi series ever made.
And, for the smeg of it, I'd throw in "Red Dwarf".

Fuck, dude, get your bearings, will you? If I felt like typing out everything I know, I would've. Are you THAT anal? Oh, darn, you forgot Space: 1999, Space: Above and Beyond, Project: UFO, Earth 2...and Lex'x and all kinds of shit, man!!! HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?!

Yeah, OSB, dude! Well, you also forgot Night Gallery! Oh, sorry, that's more supernatural/horror-oriented, so it probably doesn't float your boat. Same for Tales From The Darkside, one of the greatest camp-anthology TV shows to grace the boob tube, regardless of genre. Masters Of Horror has some good entries, too.

Chill with the Dr. Who Trivial Pursuit, already. Just because I didn't know it ended "for good" the first time in '89? Even your buddy said it's not a show that was aired regularly here, unless PBS felt like throwing up a few episodes from the Tom Baker era before/after Masterpiece Theater.

If you follow scifi in the way you seem to want us to believe, you should have known all of this already. Anybody who needs to be told that Dr. Who was a PBS only show for the early years, and not a very well known series in the US, is SERIOUSLY lacking in their scifi knowledge...and the same goes for "Blake's 7".

See that part in bold? He didn't say that. I did. He said the part before the comma. I was reiterating. And since when does being "into" SF mean watching anything/everything that is SF? Not in my book, baby. Call me selective or whatever.

I don't give a shit what you guys do/don't believe. Dig? Do you guys sleep with the Whopedia and Official Sliders Episode Guide under your pillows or what?

(And remember: moot is not pronounced the same as mute, nor does it mean the same thing.)

[artist4perry]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Ran out of funds Had to shave a gerbil.

[artist4perry]

Speaking of Sci Fi. Have any of you watched Sci Fi channels episodes of Neverland? It is the story about how Peter came to Neverland, pre Wendy. It is great!

I was expecting it to be syrupy, badly acted and campy but they hit a winner. Even my husband who reluctantly at first watched the reruns the night after they aired with me, said it was surprisingly good! They did a wonderful job on costumes, special effects, and the actors were quite believable. Sci Fi usually has crappy shows they put on. I was impressed.

http://youtu.be/4a-RgGfvZOU

[verslibre]

Sci Fi usually has crappy shows they put on.

You didn't like Boa vs. Python vs. Alligator vs. Wyvern vs. TransMorpher vs. Predalien?

[artist4perry]

Sci Fi usually has crappy shows they put on.

You didn't like Boa vs. Python vs. Alligator vs. Wyvern vs. TransMorpher vs. Predalien?

Don't forget the upcoming Snowmagedon!

Seriously, you owe it to yourself to check the series out. I put the trailer on my thread above. It was a two night show.

[G.I.Jim]

I have but one comment. $200 million dollars on SW Ep. 1 and they still couldn't make Liam Neeson's beard look real. Tradgic.

Well, since it grossed over 400 million dollars and was the #1 of that year, I think the point is kinda mute.

Not for me. Can't watch it. Between that annoying walking turd on stilts with those floppy as ears and Neeson's stuck on pubes...

#3 was great though.

I agree with you about the 1st two. Pretty lame decisions made on both of them. The only thing that turned 3 into a better film was the fact that it was much darker, and I think they did a GREAT job at the end with Anakin transforming into Vader. Very cool! And Neeson's beard was not fake, it was made from 100% Wookie fur buddy!

[Monker]

If I felt like typing out everything I know, I would've. Are you THAT anal? Oh, darn, you forgot Space: 1999, Space: Above and Beyond, Project: UFO, Earth 2...and Lex'x and all kinds of shit, man!!! HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?!

Nope...didn't forget those at all. I was listing iconic shows that YOU should have listed well before some of the stuff you listed. The simple fact is your Google knowledge is limited to reacting to posts like this and shows an inability to talk sensibly about any scifi outside of a few shows.

I was reiterating. And since when does being "into" SF mean watching anything/everything that is SF? Not in my book, baby. Call me selective or whatever.

No, not saying people should know everything...but basics would be nice. Your knowledge of scifi is comparable to someone who knows Escape/Frontiers and the GH and goes about spouting how Journey is the best band ever created...and then when it comes to comparing other albums, to Google you go to find out the basic facts.

And, I wouldn't call you 'selective', I'd call you ignorant.

I don't give a shit what you guys do/don't believe. Dig? Do you guys sleep with the Whopedia and Official Sliders Episode Guide under your pillows or what?

Nope...but I have all of the Sliders eps on my computer, have seen every episode of Dr. Who multiple times, and I do not need the Internet to look up the basics about the genre.

[Monker]

Speaking of Sci Fi. Have any of you watched Sci Fi channels episodes of Neverland? It is the story about how Peter came to Neverland, pre Wendy. It is great!

I was expecting it to be syrupy, badly acted and campy but they hit a winner. Even my husband who reluctantly at first watched the reruns the night after they aired with me, said it was surprisingly good! They did a wonderful job on costumes, special effects, and the actors were quite believable. Sci Fi usually has crappy shows they put on. I was impressed.

http://youtu.be/4a-RgGfvZOU

Yep...I agree. There were some bits that were obviously cut (How Peter was saved from the spider is one) and the story seemed to just jump ahead. But, I thought it was well done and I'll probably watch it again at some point.

[verslibre]

If I felt like typing out everything I know, I would've. Are you THAT anal? Oh, darn, you forgot Space: 1999, Space: Above and Beyond, Project: UFO, Earth 2...and Lex'x and all kinds of shit, man!!! HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?!

Nope...didn't forget those at all. I was listing iconic shows that YOU should have listed well before some of the stuff you listed.

Who gives a shit. I've never watched Corkwood or Whorehouse 13, and I never will. And you still forgot Lex'x. AND you never even turned the cover of a single copy of Starlog? That right there makes me wonder if you're a twenty year-old who loves to bitch and moan. For a guy who said he's not getting into a pissing match, you've got everybody fooled.

No, not saying people should know everything...but basics would be nice. Your knowledge of scifi is comparable to someone who knows Escape/Frontiers and the GH and goes about spouting how Journey is the best band ever created...and then when it comes to comparing other albums, to Google you go to find out the basic facts.

I didn't use Google once during this entire thread, nimrod. I cited IMDb for air dates. And I said that up front. You do a good impression of a CD that skips.

I think it's funny you analogizing this to....Journey. Nice avatar, dude. For the record, Journey stopped being relevant to me in the '80s. That's not how I ended up here in the first place. You're one of those putzes who calls Steve Perry "The Voice," no doubt.

And, I wouldn't call you 'selective', I'd call you ignorant.

And you're anal. You're no doubt one of those geeks that watches every fucking show out there that could be marginally categorized as SF. A lot of JUNK in there, the kind of stuff I'd see one episode of and go "Not for me!"

But you're at SlidersCon IX, tracking down the autograph of some dipshit who had a bit part on one episode. LOL

You know the famous SNL skit with Shatner at the Trek convention? Guys like YOU inspired that bit.

I have all of the Sliders eps on my computer

NO further comment.

[artist4perry]

Speaking of Sci Fi. Have any of you watched Sci Fi channels episodes of Neverland? It is the story about how Peter came to Neverland, pre Wendy. It is great!

I was expecting it to be syrupy, badly acted and campy but they hit a winner. Even my husband who reluctantly at first watched the reruns the night after they aired with me, said it was surprisingly good! They did a wonderful job on costumes, special effects, and the actors were quite believable. Sci Fi usually has crappy shows they put on. I was impressed.

http://youtu.be/4a-RgGfvZOU

Yep...I agree. There were some bits that were obviously cut (How Peter was saved from the spider is one) and the story seemed to just jump ahead. But, I thought it was well done and I'll probably watch it again at some point.

Honestly it shocked me, I truly thought if they made it, the whole thing would be cheezy. The one thing I did not like was the 6 legged crock. It looked too fake.