2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

by **Enigma869** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:42 pm

Video of Tom Brady completely losing his mind with the Offensive Coordinator. I thought these guys were going to start throwing down.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... 2%7C119310

by **Yoda** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:13 am

Enigma869 wrote:After just two seasons in the NFL, I can honestly say that I've never seen a guy like this Gronkowski kid. He has a long way to go before the Canton talk starts. That said, as disappointed as I am in the Patriots defense, nobody will convince me that there is a better TE in the NFL. This guy just can't be covered. For those who didn't see highlights today, take a look at this play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIoNTSmxP7E

On another note, his second TD involved him carrying Redskins defenders on his back and dragging them into the end zone. This guy is a freak

Gronkowski is definitely one of the better TE's I've seen in quite awhile. 9 times out of 10, Kerrigan makes that tackle. Still much too early to be talking Canton, but he's off to a great start. As far as Brady playing hurt, he could have very well been, but that wasn't the excuse for several of those throws out to nobody. Those were miscommunication between the Brady and his WRs. I'm actually surprised on one of them that it intentional grounding wasn't called. I'm assuming since the WR was sort of in the area that would be the reason for the no-call. But anyways, it was a very entertaining game. Redskins probably should have won it at the end (I'm thinking they would have gone for 2) but at least t he positives I can get out of the game is Roy Helu is turning into a beast. Third 100+ yardage game for him. He's turning into something special.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:46 am

Enigma869 wrote:Video of Tom Brady completely losing his mind with the Offensive Coordinator. I thought these guys were going to start throwing down.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... 2%7C119310

I fully expect to see Belichick stick to his guns and start Hoyer (alumnus of my HS) next week

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:47 am

After the game, the Bears defense was stunned and seemingly not ready to give Tebow his due.

Asked for his thoughts on Tebow after the game, Brian Urlacher was succinct.

“He’s a good running back, man. He runs the ball well,” Urlacher said.

by **conversationpc** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:47 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:Video of Tom Brady completely losing his mind with the Offensive Coordinator. I thought these guys were going to start throwing down.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... 2%7C119310

I fully expect to see Belichick stick to his guns and start Hoyer (alumnus of my HS) next week

by **YoungJRNY** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:01 am

Loved ESPN's breakdown on their side ticker of what's to come for today's show:

"John Fox press conference: Talks Tebow"
"Tim Tebow highlights"
"Bears/Broncos highlights"
"Tebow does it again"
"Clutch 4th qrt QB's: Tebow?"
"Ditka on Tim Tebow: We've never seen this before"

NFL LIVE:
"Tebow doing it AGAIN"

Not one mention of that defense. Can't take it any longer. T.V OFF.

by **Enigma869** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:02 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Loved ESPN's breakdown on their side ticker of what's to come for today's show:

"John Fox press conference: Talks Tebow"
"Tim Tebow highlights"
"Bears/Broncos highlights"
"Tebow does it again"
"Clutch 4th qrt QB's: Tebow?"
"Ditka on Tim Tebow: We've never seen this before"

NFL LIVE:
"Tebow doing it AGAIN"

Not one mention of that defense. Can't take it any longer. T.V OFF.

At least your team doesn't have to play Touchdown Jesus this week!

by **Enigma869** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:11 am

It must be fire your head coach day in the NFL. Sparano just got the axe in Miami.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73458 ... e-confirms

by **conversationpc** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:12 am

I think Tebow's passing skills are obviously very subpar but you've still got to give it to the guy, even as good as the Bronco's defense is. He's definitely played far and above better in the 4th quarter that at any other time and his running skills (ode to Urlacher) also play a part. Will he ever be a top-tier passer? No, I doubt it but I think he can progress to the point where he is at least serviceable in that department.

by **conversationpc** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:12 am

Enigma869 wrote:It must be fire your head coach day in the NFL. Sparano just got the axe in Miami.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73458 ... e-confirms

Hopefully Jim Caldwell is next.

by **Don** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:43 am

conversationpc wrote:I think Tebow's passing skills are obviously very subpar but you've still got to give it to the guy, even as good as the Bronco's defense is. He's definitely played far and above better in the 4th quarter that at any other time and his running skills (ode to Urlacher) also play a part. Will he ever be a top-tier passer? No, I doubt it but I think he can progress to the point where he is at least serviceable in that department.

Not to mention, he had a potential 89 TD pass dropped earlier in the game. The guy's team mates have bought into what Tebow brings to the table. If his defense isn't complaining about not getting recognition, I don't see where it's an issue. When one of the reporters brought up "Tebow Time" Tim was quick to correct him by saying no, it's "Broncos time".

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:46 am

If the NFL figured Vince Young out, they'll certainly figure Tim Tebow out.

by **AlteredDNA** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:46 am

Ehwmatt wrote:If the NFL figured Vince Young out, they'll certainly figure Tim Tebow out.

I don't see Tebow self destructing like Young did...

by **Don** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:53 am

Ehwmatt wrote:If the NFL figured Vince Young out, they'll certainly figure Tim Tebow out.

Oh, I'm sure they'll figure him out before this season is over. The point is you play to win. The Broncos haven't been in the playoffs in half a decade. If they get their with this guy, it really won't matter that he's had shit passing numbers. You ride the guy until you can't anymore. His passing numbers have improved over the last few weeks. Not greatly but there is progress.
I saw this guy as a bust coming out of college but if he can play on a level comparable with Trent Dilfer and not lose games, that's all a team like Denver can ask for at the moment.
If you are an old vet on that team, do you want to sit around losing for two more years while the club breaks in another Rookie Quarterback? In the end it's still a business and winning is everything.

by **Maui Tom** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:58 am

Vince Young...making it rain means he's in a strip club...

Tebow? He can actually MAKE it rain....

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:00 am

Is it just me, or is the quality of coaching in the NFL pretty bad these days? Let's do a quick laundry list:

1. Norv Turner - Absolutely putrid coach. Minimizes the talent he has and shows poor game management skills.

2. Todd Haley - Absolutely terrible "people" person apparently, and not much better as a motivator. I frankly don't know enough about his Xs and Os to pass a definitive judgment. But his team certainly did better offensively when fat Charlie was his OC. In fairness, he had a terrible string of injuries to marquee players this year. But all in all, he seemed to alienate pretty much everyone around him and his players mailed it in on his watch.

3. Tony Sparano - Pretty terrible.

4. Jason Garrett - Too early to make a definitive call, but pretty awful so far.

5. Cleveland's Own Pat Shurmur - Might be the worst coach in the league. I might be biased, but I don't think so. The guy is a miserable failure on every front so far: PR/press, offense (which he was brought in to do), motivating his players. Our defense has been ok but he gets no credit for that. He's been ballsless on the playcalling too. A failure and an embarrassment.

6. Jim Caldwell - Obviously horrible.

7. Steve Spagnuolo - terrible.

8. Hue Jackson

9. Raheem Morris

You get the point. Thoughts?

by **Don** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:06 am

I think the whole year has been a mess with the shortened pre-season. Having three guys chuck the ball for over 4k in yards is just ridiculous.

by **RossValoryRocks** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 am

conversationpc wrote:I think Tebow's passing skills are obviously very subpar but you've still got to give it to the guy, even as good as the Bronco's defense is. He's definitely played far and above better in the 4th quarter that at any other time and his running skills (ode to Urlacher) also play a part. Will he ever be a top-tier passer? No, I doubt it but I think he can progress to the point where he is at least serviceable in that department.

Tebow is actually getting better as a passer...and still has those running skills.

Hate him or love him, you have to admit he is a phenomenal athelete!

by **Enigma869** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:27 am

conversationpc wrote:
Hopefully Jim Caldwell is next.

I'm reasonably certain Caldwell died 5 years ago and someone forgot to tell the guy :shock:

That fucker is painful to watch on the sidelines...even when the Colts won a few games last season.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:31 am

Enigma869 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Hopefully Jim Caldwell is next.

I'm reasonably certain Caldwell died 5 years ago and someone forgot to tell the guy That fucker is painful to watch on the sidelines...even when the Colts won a few games last season.

Lol! Diet Coke through the nose. John, curious for your thoughts on my post above: is the quality of (head) coaching today worse or is it just me?

by **Enigma869** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:36 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Is it just me, or is the quality of coaching in the NFL pretty bad these days? Let's do a quick laundry list:

1. Norv Turner - Absolutely putrid coach. Minimizes the talent he has and shows poor game management skills.

2. Todd Haley - Absolutely terrible "people" person apparently, and not much better as a motivator. I frankly don't know enough about his Xs and Os to pass a definitive judgment. But his team certainly did better offensively when fat Charlie was his OC. In fairness, he had a terrible string of injuries to marquee players this year. But all in all, he seemed to alienate pretty much everyone around him and his players mailed it in on his watch.

3. Tony Sparano - Pretty terrible.

4. Jason Garrett - Too early to make a definitive call, but pretty awful so far.

5. Cleveland's Own Pat Shurmur - Might be the worst coach in the league. I might be biased, but I don't think so. The guy is a miserable failure on every front so far: PR/press, offense (which he was brought in to do), motivating his players. Our defense has been ok but he gets no credit for that. He's been ballsless on the playcalling too. A failure and an embarrassment.

6. Jim Caldwell - Obviously horrible.

7. Steve Spagnuolo - terrible.

8. Hue Jackson

9. Raheem Morris

You get the point. Thoughts?

Coaching is an interesting thing. Belichick was a moron in Cleveland, because he didn't have the players. Somehow, he gets to New England, drafts Tom Brady and becomes a genius. That said, I think coaching matters more in the NFL than any other sport. NFL coaches are absolutely responsbible for more wins and losses than coaches in any other sport are, and it's always been that way. I guarantee you that Bill Belichick would absolutely NOT be winless if he were the Colts Head Coach...ZERO chance! I actually think Miami plays hard and Sparano's game plans don't suck. The reality is that the team isn't exactly replete with talent and nobody is winning anything with Matt Moore as their QB. The NFL really isn't that complicated and the formula hasn't changed much through the decades. If you don't have a top QB, you probably won't win. The Baltimore Ravens a decade ago, the 1985 Bears, and the 1970's Steelers were exceptions to this rule, simply because their defenses were absolutely phenomenal. If teams can't score on you, it doesn't matter who your QB is. If you don't have that type of defense, you damn well better have a really good QB, or you're fucked.

by **Enigma869** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:46 am

Ehwmatt wrote: John, curious for your thoughts on my post above: is the quality of (head) coaching today worse or is it just me?

As far as that question is concerned...I'm not sure the quality has really diminished that significantly. Who ever thought Mike McCarthy was going to become some top NFL coach? Guy looks like a dopey dude, but is elevated to genius status as soon as Aaron Rodgers becomes his signal caller. The thing I do find interesting is that many owners seem to hold onto guys who simply don't belong in their role. Wade Phillips and Norv Turner immediately come to mind. For all the hype over the guys who came off of the Bill Parcells "tree", the Bill Walsh "tree", the Bill Belichick "tree", very few of those guys ever went on to become that successful. You can certainly make the argument that Holmgren (A Walsh diciple) had some success. You could argue that Payton (A Parcells disciple) has had some success, but that's about it. Nobody who has left Belichick has gone on to do anything. In fact, they've all been complete busts (Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels). I just think guys have to be who they are and not try to emulate anyone else. For all the years Belichick coached with Parcells, those two guys couldn't be more different. Not to mention, I'm still not entirely convinced that Belichick wasn't the brains behind that operation, given the fact that Parcells coached in the NFL for many years, but never won anything without Belichick on his staff.

by **YoungJRNY** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:47 am

I think the leauge, as in the owners, are getting very self conscience about finding their head coach and picking the right choice for their franchise (Bellichick, Tomlin, McCarthy etc.) It's kind of like the league pressure is monumental in finding worthy head-coach's that will either be a sleeper or was established at some position or another elsewhere as coordinators (McDaniel's, Crennel, Haley, Mangini etc.) I look to it as the same way when teams reach for a "franchise QB" and hope it pans out short-term and into the long-term. Such is the case for many of this league's fill in's (Jason Garrett taking over for Wade Phillips, Jackson for Cable, etc.) A lot has to do with prior coach's messing things up so bad that it leaves the new coach's with nowhere to go (Herm Edwards-Todd Haley situation.) That's why you see teams just throw the bank at coach's like Shannahan and what they will throw at Cowher in the near future. Owners like Jerry Jones just can't remain patient any longer with their franchise's and want to win NOW and their lack of patience for head coach's to right the ship just doesn't exist. That's how I always see it. Patience is needed, even if it takes 3-5 years to build a football team that's not ready to contend (Marvin Lewis now got himself a nice team to work with and some said he was on the chopping block for years.) Instead owners today go for the quick fix rather than drafting properly and building brick by brick.

by **Enigma869** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:59 pm

Tim Tebow..."God's Quarterback".

Man, is this fucking insufferable! :shock:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 55282.html

Tim Tebow: God's Quarterback
He has led the Denver Broncos to one improbable victory after another—defying his critics and revealing the deep-seated anxieties in American society about the intertwining of religion and sports.

by **Ehwmatt** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:05 am

Enigma869 wrote:Tim Tebow..."God's Quarterback".

Man, is this fucking insufferable!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 55282.html

Tim Tebow: God's Quarterback
He has led the Denver Broncos to one improbable victory after another—defying his critics and revealing the deep-seated anxieties in American society about the intertwining of religion and sports.

I can't remember if it was Rome or a local radio guy who said it. But yesterday, someone called him the "most polarizing GOOD guy in sports history." lol. Sounds about right.

At this point, you gotta start wondering about the Broncos' playoff chances. They are favorites to win the division right now, and they'd of course have homefield in the first game. Could be a huge trap for whichever wild card team goes into Denver. Hell, if Seattle could beat the Saints at home last year, anything can happen.

Hmm. Just punched in the playoff scenario. If they started today, it would be the Steelers heading to Denver :shock:

. I don't see that being the final scenario, but I could see the Steelers having trouble in this matchup. The Steelers don't put up tons of points (usually), Denver's D has been very good, and the Steelers CAN get tripped up by gimmick shit from time-to-time (e.g., Cribbs running the wildcat all over them in 2009).

by **conversationpc** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:13 am

Enigma869 wrote:Tim Tebow..."God's Quarterback".

Man, is this fucking insufferable!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 55282.html

Tim Tebow: God's Quarterback
He has led the Denver Broncos to one improbable victory after another—defying his critics and revealing the deep-seated anxieties in American society about the intertwining of religion and sports.

I love how some folks get all worked up about this kind of stuff instead of crap that really matters.

by **conversationpc** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:11 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
1-2 games seems light considering he has a LONG tradition of doing this. Suh's only been in the league a couple years. Harrison is a class A thug who makes NO attempt to hit legally/properly - no attempt at wrapping up. He simply leads with the crown straight into other guys' helmets.

I agree. Guy is a really good player with all the talent in the world, but a world class douche and a dirty fuck!

I just now watched the video of this hit. Completely obvious that he had no intention other than to hit McCoy in the head. It's not even debatable. He's lucky he only got suspended for one game.

by **conversationpc** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:16 am

Apparently, Tebow is not God's QB according to Beelzebub...

Tim Tebow Winning Streak Not Because of God, Says Satanist Priest

by **Ehwmatt** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:20 am

conversationpc wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
1-2 games seems light considering he has a LONG tradition of doing this. Suh's only been in the league a couple years. Harrison is a class A thug who makes NO attempt to hit legally/properly - no attempt at wrapping up. He simply leads with the crown straight into other guys' helmets.

I agree. Guy is a really good player with all the talent in the world, but a world class douche and a dirty fuck!

I just now watched the video of this hit. Completely obvious that he had no intention other than to hit McCoy in the head. It's not even debatable. He's lucky he only got suspended for one game.

Ya. There really is no argument to be made about "unstoppable momentum" or whatever else. Those are certainly legit excuses in certain scenarios, especially for safeties/DBs hitting on a pass over the middle. Here, it was patently obvious he was going for the dome. 1 game is ludicrous.

by **Enigma869** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:49 am

Ehwmatt wrote:At this point, you gotta start wondering about the Broncos' playoff chances. They are favorites to win the division right now, and they'd of course have homefield in the first game. Could be a huge trap for whichever wild card team goes into Denver. Hell, if Seattle could beat the Saints at home last year, anything can happen.

Hmm. Just punched in the playoff scenario. If they started today, it would be the Steelers heading to Denver . I don't see that being the final scenario, but I could see the Steelers having trouble in this matchup. The Steelers don't put up tons of points (usually), Denver's D has been very good, and the Steelers CAN get tripped up by gimmick shit from time-to-time (e.g., Cribbs running the wildcat all over them in 2009).

I think Denver is definitely in and good for them. Honestly, it's not even the on field shit with Tebow that bothers me. It's the off field preaching that's annoying. That said, you have to give credit where credit is due, and the guy is simply winning games as an NFL QB. I still can't figure out why he sucks so bad for three quarters EVERY game and then somehow figures things out in the fourth quarter. I think the Patriots are in for an enormous test this weekend. Given how awful their record has always been in Denver, I'm not liking their chances.

MR

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