Eclipse & Greatest Hits 2 Sales Totals - To Date

[Majestic]

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

[Jana]

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Wink all you want, but Madonna's Ray of Light 1998 album is one of my favorite headphone albums of all time. It's timeless. Jeff Scott Soto even covers Frozen off of it.

[Majestic]

Hey!

Why being defensive?

Speaking of "Ray of Light":

"With global sales of 20 million copies, Ray of Light became one of the most commercially successful albums of the 1990s." -Source, Wikipedia

I've not heard it, but with 20 million sales, it must be good.

[jrny84]

Hey all,

Okay, since everyone seems to be so fixated on Arrival sales and comparing a 10-year old album to Eclipse, can anyone here please provide an ACCURATE total of domestic U.S. and Worldwide sales for Arrival, to date?

I had heard rough estimates of 170,000, but I had also heard totals of 300,000 sales (U.S. or worldwide - not sure) ...

We know it was never certifiied Gold here in the U.S., but I'd be interested in hearing the totals, overall ...

I know that the Journey 2001 Live DVD sold very well with Augeri, and was certified Gold and/or Platinum but I never knew the sales totals for Arrival ... I have both the CD and DVD, actually, and the CD is quite good, musically ...

But to settle the questions and debates around here, who can also provide some updated totals on complete sales for Arrival, Red 13 (original and re-release - web & retail), and Generations (concert giveaways and retail sales) ...

This can give some perpsective, perhaps on the sales output for Eclipse ...

It is important to note, however, that the record industry and CD retail climate TODAY is vastly different (diminished) than it was even three years ago, when Revelation came out ... Back in 2008, WalMart was still a major player in the industry with the Exclusive retail outlet deals that they were doing directly with artiists ... Now, this still exists, but in a smaller form for them, and their retail music department isn't the same as it used to be, size-wise ... Neither is Best Buy, for that matter, however ...

All this is to say that it might not totally be a reflection on Journey and the quality of their music ... its simply a function of the music industry today, and its state of affairs ...

Flame away

Michael G.

There are no specific numbers as far as sales for Arrival worldwide, but its estimated the album has sold around 300,000 in the US and near 400-450,000 worldwide. I have read some reports near 500,000 ww, but that is probably a bit high.

[Ehwmatt]

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Are you really lumping MJ in with these clowns up there?

[Lora]

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Are you really lumping MJ in with these clowns up there?

Ditto that.

[scarygirl]

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Are you really lumping MJ in with these clowns up there?

Ditto that.

Lady Ga Ga is a rip off of Madonna pure and simple. And Justin I don't have a baby Bieber. ICK. ICK. ICK.

[Majestic]

All these "clowns" sell gobs of albums, and that's the only criterion for making my list. I'm sure I missed a few, but anyway, since Eclipse didn't sell it isn't any good. All of these artists have plenty of good albums to choose from because their albums sell.

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Are you really lumping MJ in with these clowns up there?

[Don]

Celine, Mariah and ABBA are all well respected artists. Even if you don't like their music, they can't really be considered copy cats/ unoriginal or talentless.

ABBA has sold close to 400 million albums, that just won't happen without some kind of talent.

[Majestic]

Celine, Mariah and ABBA are all well respected artists. Even if you don't like their music, they can't really be considered copy cats/ unoriginal or talentless.

ABBA has sold close to 400 million albums, that just won't happen without some kind of talent.

ABBA had a lot of great songs, and are loved all over the world. Same goes for Celine and Mariah.

I'm not actually making any judgments about the artists in my list. Some I like, some I don't, but the point I'm trying to make is that sales don't make an album good. Sales make an album successful, but as for what's good, that's highly subjective and has to be determined with your own ears.

I think Eclipse is a good album, and I enjoy it. In terms of dollars, its a failure for the band. In terms of them having had the guts to take a chance, and make an album that a lot of serious fans like, that's a success in my book. I figure if they are going to crumble to the will of the casual fans every tour and only play the same hits each time, then they ought to at least give us something new and different to listen to at home. They've done that, and I'm pretty happy with the result.

I wish Eclipse had been successful in terms of sales too, but those of you who like to cite sales figures to support your dislike of Eclipse are using poor logic because sales is not part of what makes a good album. If you doubt that, just look at my list and you're sure to think of a dozen or more mega sellers that you probably hate worse than Eclipse.

[jrny84]

Journey's Greatest Hits has started to increase in sales again due to the holidays, although they are still lagging behind their colleagues like Guns n Roses, Bob Seger, Clapton,..etc. Here are this weeks sales numbers:

Top Catalog Albums:
42 62 77 69 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 6102 108 2935 7964358

Captured also continues to sell really well:
26 95 128 88 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 5018 129 2191 78954

Still no sign of Greatest Hits 2, so it must be selling around 1,500-2,000 copies a week. I believe the total sales figures so far are near 8,000.

Top Digital Tracks:
152 24 12 22 JOURNEY DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' 7677 -10 8522 4365222

[Toph]

Journey's Greatest Hits has started to increase in sales again due to the holidays, although they are still lagging behind their colleagues like Guns n Roses, Bob Seger, Clapton,..etc. Here are this weeks sales numbers:

Top Catalog Albums:
42 62 77 69 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 6102 108 2935 7964358

Captured also continues to sell really well:
26 95 128 88 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 5018 129 2191 78954

Still no sign of Greatest Hits 2, so it must be selling around 1,500-2,000 copies a week. I believe the total sales figures so far are near 8,000.

Top Digital Tracks:
152 24 12 22 JOURNEY DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' 7677 -10 8522 4365222

Just for comparison, and since you have access to this, do you know where Styx Greatest Hits is?

[jrny84]

Journey's Greatest Hits has started to increase in sales again due to the holidays, although they are still lagging behind their colleagues like Guns n Roses, Bob Seger, Clapton,..etc. Here are this weeks sales numbers:

Top Catalog Albums:
42 62 77 69 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 6102 108 2935 7964358

Captured also continues to sell really well:
26 95 128 88 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 5018 129 2191 78954

Still no sign of Greatest Hits 2, so it must be selling around 1,500-2,000 copies a week. I believe the total sales figures so far are near 8,000.

Top Digital Tracks:
152 24 12 22 JOURNEY DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' 7677 -10 8522 4365222

Just for comparison, and since you have access to this, do you know where Styx Greatest Hits is?

Sure no problem. The only styx album that is in the Top Catalog Chart at the moment is:
1 - - 160 STYX MILLENNIUM COLLECTION-20TH CEN 3216 338 734 285361

The last time Styx Greatest Hits was on the Top Catalog Charts was October 2011:
5 78 133 107 STYX GREATEST HITS 1558 14 1362 2566186

[Yoda]

I wish Eclipse had been successful in terms of sales too, but those of you who like to cite sales figures to support your dislike of Eclipse are using poor logic because sales is not part of what makes a good album. If you doubt that, just look at my list and you're sure to think of a dozen or more mega sellers that you probably hate worse than Eclipse.

I'm kind of confused (don't worry, it happens easily with me! )

I went back to re-read your first post and this is what it said:

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

I'm pretty sure you listed those artists and saying their "good" in jest to prove that good music does not reflect in album sales. Problem is, what you said earlier about music being subjective, I'd agree with. But, with this list, it's also subjective of you to say these artists do not put out good music. So, really, it can't support your point in saying that good music is not measured in music sales, since what is considered good music is subjective. Not to mention the fact that you place Celine Dion and Abba on the same list with Justin Bieber.....what is up with that?

[Toph]

Journey's Greatest Hits has started to increase in sales again due to the holidays, although they are still lagging behind their colleagues like Guns n Roses, Bob Seger, Clapton,..etc. Here are this weeks sales numbers:

Top Catalog Albums:
42 62 77 69 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 6102 108 2935 7964358

Captured also continues to sell really well:
26 95 128 88 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 5018 129 2191 78954

Still no sign of Greatest Hits 2, so it must be selling around 1,500-2,000 copies a week. I believe the total sales figures so far are near 8,000.

Top Digital Tracks:
152 24 12 22 JOURNEY DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' 7677 -10 8522 4365222

Just for comparison, and since you have access to this, do you know where Styx Greatest Hits is?

Sure no problem. The only styx album that is in the Top Catalog Chart at the moment is:
1 - - 160 STYX MILLENNIUM COLLECTION-20TH CEN 3216 338 734 285361

The last time Styx Greatest Hits was on the Top Catalog Charts was October 2011:
5 78 133 107 STYX GREATEST HITS 1558 14 1362 2566186

Thanks so much. Have no idea what the hell THe Styx Millennium Collection - 20th century is...

[Yoda]

Journey's Greatest Hits has started to increase in sales again due to the holidays, although they are still lagging behind their colleagues like Guns n Roses, Bob Seger, Clapton,..etc. Here are this weeks sales numbers:

Top Catalog Albums:
42 62 77 69 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 6102 108 2935 7964358

Captured also continues to sell really well:
26 95 128 88 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 5018 129 2191 78954

Still no sign of Greatest Hits 2, so it must be selling around 1,500-2,000 copies a week. I believe the total sales figures so far are near 8,000.

Top Digital Tracks:
152 24 12 22 JOURNEY DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' 7677 -10 8522 4365222

Just for comparison, and since you have access to this, do you know where Styx Greatest Hits is?

Sure no problem. The only styx album that is in the Top Catalog Chart at the moment is:
1 - - 160 STYX MILLENNIUM COLLECTION-20TH CEN 3216 338 734 285361

The last time Styx Greatest Hits was on the Top Catalog Charts was October 2011:
5 78 133 107 STYX GREATEST HITS 1558 14 1362 2566186

Thanks so much. Have no idea what the hell THe Styx Millennium Collection - 20th century is...

[george_g]

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Wink all you want, but Madonna's Ray of Light 1998 album is one of my favorite headphone albums of all time. It's timeless. Jeff Scott Soto even covers Frozen off of it.

yes ray of light is a great album (surprisingly) and JSS's cover with talisman is also great

[Toph]

Journey's Greatest Hits has started to increase in sales again due to the holidays, although they are still lagging behind their colleagues like Guns n Roses, Bob Seger, Clapton,..etc. Here are this weeks sales numbers:

Top Catalog Albums:
42 62 77 69 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 6102 108 2935 7964358

Captured also continues to sell really well:
26 95 128 88 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 5018 129 2191 78954

Still no sign of Greatest Hits 2, so it must be selling around 1,500-2,000 copies a week. I believe the total sales figures so far are near 8,000.

Top Digital Tracks:
152 24 12 22 JOURNEY DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' 7677 -10 8522 4365222

Just for comparison, and since you have access to this, do you know where Styx Greatest Hits is?

Sure no problem. The only styx album that is in the Top Catalog Chart at the moment is:
1 - - 160 STYX MILLENNIUM COLLECTION-20TH CEN 3216 338 734 285361

The last time Styx Greatest Hits was on the Top Catalog Charts was October 2011:
5 78 133 107 STYX GREATEST HITS 1558 14 1362 2566186

Thanks so much. Have no idea what the hell THe Styx Millennium Collection - 20th century is...

t

that was one of those special A&M releases. From like 5 years ago. How in the heck is it outselling Styx Greatest Hits 1? Inferior track listing vs. the original greatest hits too! makes no sense at all.

[jrny84]

Journey's Greatest Hits sales figures as of December 2011 (Copies sold in 2011 only)

98 - 253,000 - GREATEST HITS - Journey

[Pacfanweb]

Lady Ga Ga is a rip off of Madonna pure and simple. And Justin I don't have a baby Bieber. ICK. ICK. ICK.

Gaga is better than Madonna. And I have like Madonna through the years, but Gaga pretty much writes all her own stuff, or at least co-writes it, has a better/stronger voice, can play and sing live VERY well, and overall is simply a better musical artist.

Now, she adds a VERY freaky image to her talent, which causes folks to think she's all show and no substance, but if you listen to some of her acoustic performances, with just her and a piano, she's just great.

[tater1977]

Anyone know the sales for GH2 for November?

[slucero]

yup... 95,000 of them "die-hards".... Those same diehards that bought the 70 Million right?

Huh? What was the last non-Perry album to sell 70 million? What are you talking about?

I thought we were talking about Journey fans, and what they want music-wise... its pretty obvious that even Journey's waning fanbase prefers feelgood, sing along Journey songs.. a la Arrival... which has sold better than Eclipse...

No need to pretend.. the numbers speak for themselves...

They also speak for Arrival. A great album that the vast music-buying public did not give one shit about.

Agreed.. yet it has also sold better than Eclipse...

Talk about out of touch with reality... labeling all Journey fans who dislike this album as Katy Perry and Justin Beiber fans... lmao....

Never said that. You are engaging in classical logical fallacy. (i.e. Very few people bought Eclipse ergo Eclipse must sux ass). This is as cheap and lazy as it gets. Stop hiding behind numbers.

You said: "But don't pretend that your opinion is reflective of some greater majority. The greater majority listens to Katy Perry and Justin Bieber."

Which can only be in reference to the "greater majority" of Journey fans, since you were referring to my opinion reflecting that... unless of course, you got your context wrong.

This is a waste of time. Just a few years ago, Perry-loyalists ridiculed Arrival as the worst selling Journey album of all time. To now hold it up as some sort of model of success is a complete joke. It bombed, and doomed the Augeri lineup from the word 'go'. Like I said, stop hiding behind numbers. And the "greater majority" in question refers to the vast music buying public. That's casual Journey fans, non-Journey fans, and Yanni fans alike. Just consumers, in general. The people that helped make TBF go platinum.

hmm.. I agreed with you.. and I never said it was a "success".... I said it sold better than Eclipse... but both bombed... Arrival just bombed to a lesser degree... Songwriting quality is a subjective thing... how to measure?.. most would use unit sales... I agree we shouldn't.. but that is how most do it..


And that is what I think we are ultimately debating - the quality of the songwriting: Arrival vs. Eclipse

My opinion:

Arrival songwriting - is more "familiar" sounding, because it is much more similar to the songwriting of their heydey.

Eclipse songwriting - is heavier, and a divergence (Neals), away from the more generally known and familiar songwriting of their heyday.

IMHO - One could surmise, all things being the "same" (the addition of a heavy marketing and management machine a la Herbie & Columbia), an album of familiar sounding material would sell better.

[DracIsBack]

Are you really lumping MJ in with these clowns up there?

um - yeah - I did a double take on that one too. As weird has he got later on, there was no question of his abilities. The fact that his "bomb" album 'INVINSIBLE" sold 13 million copies kinda says something.

Not to mention that THRILLER, BAD and DANGEROUS all sold over 30 million each globally. Thriller was the number one album for two consecutive years for crying out loud.

[jrny84]

Anyone know the sales for GH2 for November?

As of last week it was around 9,000+ copies sold. I havent seen an exact number in a few weeks, but it looks like it has been selling less than 1,500 copies a week. This week I might get some soundscan information about totals.

[Monker]

Well, the fact is tha tthe TOTAL sales of Eclipse are less then what some people here were saying it would sell IN ONE MONTH. The over blown hype for this album deserve a constant smack back to reality.

All these "clowns" sell gobs of albums, and that's the only criterion for making my list. I'm sure I missed a few, but anyway, since Eclipse didn't sell it isn't any good. All of these artists have plenty of good albums to choose from because their albums sell.

Bottom line: If it didn't sell, it ain't any good!

If listening to 'good' albums is your thing, here are some artists worth considering:

Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Eminem
Britney Spears
Justin Bieber
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Abba

This is not a comprehensive list, but if 'good' albums are what you're after, it's a start.

Are you really lumping MJ in with these clowns up there?

[Don]

With neither album selling well and the unexpectedly low numbers from their tour this year (compared to what they achieved in 2008 with far less shows), it may be that people are just Journeyed out. Over exposure perhaps.

[Monker]

yup... 95,000 of them "die-hards".... Those same diehards that bought the 70 Million right?

Huh? What was the last non-Perry album to sell 70 million? What are you talking about?

I thought we were talking about Journey fans, and what they want music-wise... its pretty obvious that even Journey's waning fanbase prefers feelgood, sing along Journey songs.. a la Arrival... which has sold better than Eclipse...

No need to pretend.. the numbers speak for themselves...

They also speak for Arrival. A great album that the vast music-buying public did not give one shit about.

Agreed.. yet it has also sold better than Eclipse...

Talk about out of touch with reality... labeling all Journey fans who dislike this album as Katy Perry and Justin Beiber fans... lmao....

Never said that. You are engaging in classical logical fallacy. (i.e. Very few people bought Eclipse ergo Eclipse must sux ass). This is as cheap and lazy as it gets. Stop hiding behind numbers.

You said: "But don't pretend that your opinion is reflective of some greater majority. The greater majority listens to Katy Perry and Justin Bieber."

Which can only be in reference to the "greater majority" of Journey fans, since you were referring to my opinion reflecting that... unless of course, you got your context wrong.

This is a waste of time. Just a few years ago, Perry-loyalists ridiculed Arrival as the worst selling Journey album of all time. To now hold it up as some sort of model of success is a complete joke. It bombed, and doomed the Augeri lineup from the word 'go'. Like I said, stop hiding behind numbers. And the "greater majority" in question refers to the vast music buying public. That's casual Journey fans, non-Journey fans, and Yanni fans alike. Just consumers, in general. The people that helped make TBF go platinum.

hmm.. I agreed with you.. and I never said it was a "success".... I said it sold better than Eclipse... but both bombed... Arrival just bombed to a lesser degree... Songwriting quality is a subjective thing... how to measure?.. most would use unit sales... I agree we shouldn't.. but that is how most do it..


And that is what I think we are ultimately debating - the quality of the songwriting: Arrival vs. Eclipse

My opinion:

Arrival songwriting - is more "familiar" sounding, because it is much more similar to the songwriting of their heydey.

Eclipse songwriting - is heavier, and a divergence (Neals), away from the more generally known and familiar songwriting of their heyday.

IMHO - One could surmise, all things being the "same" (the addition of a heavy marketing and management machine a la Herbie & Columbia), an album of familiar sounding material would sell better.

f

Not any longer. Who would now take a chance on Journey and release an album AND invest in promoting it? They could find a label...but not another deal like Wal-Mart, or Sony. It's back to Frontiers and selling like Generations.

And, Arrival isn't the greatest success ever, but it sold roughly five times what Eclipse did...so comparing those two as 'equal' failures is ridiculous.

TBF was promoted HEAVILY by Sony and sales were counted differently back then...so of course it went platinum. If it had today's environment, it would sell maybe half of that. TBF had all kinds of things going for it, but mediocre (at best) songs, no real band prmotion, and Perry going AWOL absolutely killed it.

[jrny84]

With neither album selling well and the unexpectedly low numbers from their tour this year (compared to what they achieved in 2008 with far less shows), it may be that people are just Journeyed out. Over exposure perhaps.

Yup, I think people have temporarily gotten off the Journey wave for a while. It seems that sells have really increased lately for Queen and Nickleback in the rock scene. I did see though that the Journey Greatest hits 1 and 2 boxset is being promoted pretty good and is selling pretty well. Saw quite a few copies of them in best buy, sams club, and FYI last weekend. Essential Journey is also onsale and being promoted this month, but not much going on with the Greatest hits 2.

[livin2do]

I would count lack of sales for GH2 as a MAJOR embarrassment for the band. Sony completely screwed the pooch on this one. The problem is, they made the first one too good. All they had to pull from were songs that haven't gotten radio play in decades! Maybe if they had released it right when DSB started its unearthly emergence as a cultural touchstone might they have been able to milk a million copies out of it. I've been to multiple Best Buy stores this month, and they don't even have copies of it in stock - at Christmas! Wal Mart has copies of Eclipse, but none of GH2! I'm counting the days til we see a low-budget bundle with both GH released so Sony can get rid of excess inventory. Ridiculous.

[jrny84]

I would count lack of sales for GH2 as a MAJOR embarrassment for the band. Sony completely screwed the pooch on this one. The problem is, they made the first one too good. All they had to pull from were songs that haven't gotten radio play in decades! Maybe if they had released it right when DSB started its unearthly emergence as a cultural touchstone might they have been able to milk a million copies out of it. I've been to multiple Best Buy stores this month, and they don't even have copies of it in stock - at Christmas! Wal Mart has copies of Eclipse, but none of GH2! I'm counting the days til we see a low-budget bundle with both GH released so Sony can get rid of excess inventory. Ridiculous.

Sony seems to do very little advertising for Journey anymore it seems like. The weird part is they are one of Columbia/Legacy records highest selling music acts. No tv commercial or promotional ad really at all and like you and many have said stores do not even have very many copies of GH2 for whatever reason.

I do have to say that the boxset greatest hits 1 and 2 is probably taking some sales away from greatest hits 2.

Here's last weeks statistics:

43 77 69 121 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 3305 -46 6102 7967663
27 128 88 197 JOURNEY CAPTURED (LIVE) 2179 -57 5018 81133

Most of Journey's albums have seen a steep decrease in sales starting in early late October/November. Captured is ready to exit the top catalog albums chart and greatest hits 2 still has not been seen on the catalog charts.