Tim Tebow!!!

[Angel]

Soon Rip will be taking pics of his turds and threatening suicide. This board needs another idol!

I think I'll stick to idolizing Tebow.

[artist4perry]

Most idols have feet of clay, and crumble. If Tim Tebow is sincere then it is his right to express his religion freely. Check the first amendment. I don't idolize anyone to think that as humans we cannot err. For all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God.

But I have to agree with Angel on one thing........Rip be careful your good nature is not changed by your new lifestyle.

[Rip Rokken]

Why is it unnecessary? Here is a quote from Starpulse.com:

"Tebowing -- getting down on one knee to pray in a crowd no matter what else is going on -- has made the footballer an easy target for ridicule. Tim is now the subject of an Internet meme and his very own side-splitting Saturday Night Live sketch. The football star was even immortalized in song by some creative folks over at ESPN."

I don't see how that provides any justification for mocking someone over their deeply-held religious beliefs. Morally speaking, it's just not right and I'm pretty sure one of your gods, Richard Dawkins, would probably agree with that.

If he was just a Christian athlete who wasn't shy about sharing his faith, that would be one thing. But what he's really doing, even if it's subconsciously driven, is making Tim Tebow the center of the story. He's turned himself into an American hero now, and heroes tend to fall very hard. I'd wager you anything that if all the attention dried up suddenly, he'd have a hard time dealing with it. It's a personality type, plain and simple. Now I don't know how he is with the Broncos, but I've read multiple stories from his Florida days that question his motivations. Not giving credit to other teamplayers in interviews, or walking off the field while his teammates congratulated the other players who just defeated them. Of course, I've heard many people say he's incredibly humble, and inspires and encourages other players. Who really knows...

But my real person rub is one that I even had when I was a believer - the remote concept that God cares one whit about football games, or any type of sports-related event. If this isn't an example of people creating God in man's image, I don't know what is. Heck, my own mother believes and will tell you that God has a guiding hand in Razorback football. Tim Tebow's own pastor claims the same for the broncos -- this from a recent interview:

"Tim Tebow’s pastor, Wayne Hanson, is joining the chorus of religious leaders who are speaking out in support of the Denver Broncos quarterback. Hanson’s statements, while certainly favorable to the 24-year-old football player, have been criticized by some.

In an interview with TMZ, Hanson claimed that the team’s wins since putting Tebow in as quarterback are “not luck.” ”Luck isn’t winning six games in a row. It’s favor. God’s favor,” Hanson said. “God has blessed his hard work.”

Think about this... in order for God to allow one team to win, he has to cause the other team to lose. What about the Christians on the other team? This is a very slippery slope, and the Broncos got defeated by the Bills 40-14. Even Bill Mahar couldn't resist jumping in. Serious Christian leaders should focus on the real problems in the world, and not spread messages that keep people's minds on such a superficial plane.

If I met Tim Tebow, I might really like him as a person, but this "Tebowing" thing is getting out of control. The Bible speaks very clearly about praying publicly:

Matthew 6:5-6 - When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. (NASB)

In contrast to this, the definition of Tebowing according to Tebowing.com is: "(vb) to get down on a knee and start praying, even if everyone else around you is doing something completely different."

I wouldn't be surprised if there might be another pastor somewhere who'd credit the Bronco's loss to Tebow's disobedience of the scripture in regard to prayer. And has Tebow discouraged having this type of prayer named after him? If I were him and I wasn't just doing it for the attention, I'd be embarrassed.

[artist4perry]

I agree praying for a football game seems out of touch with God all together. Maybe the safety of fellow players? Something like that would be more in line.

The Pharisees were chastised for public display of faith for pious reasons. But Jesus could look into their hearts. I cannot look into Tim Tebow's. I think he is meaning well, but not thinking it all out.

[Angel]

Rip, don't watch the Broncos then....sheesh you are sure wasting a lot of energy on this subject. Tebow is what he is, get over it.

BTW-I don't think the Denver Broncos' wins are the result of divine intervention. I also don't think that Tebow is thanking God for the win or the great play or whatever fabulous thing just happened before he takes a knee. I think he's probably thanking God for his talents and the opportunites he's been given.

Now go have a drink and chill out, dude! You're going to have a stroke over this and it's just not worth it!

[Rip Rokken]

Soon Rip will be taking pics of his turds and threatening suicide. This board needs another idol!

I think I'll stick to idolizing Tebow.

The Bible is clear on idolatry too, as well as this...

Matthew 23:10-12 - “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. “But the greatest among you shall be your servant. “Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted." (NASB)

[Angel]

Soon Rip will be taking pics of his turds and threatening suicide. This board needs another idol!

I think I'll stick to idolizing Tebow.

The Bible is clear on idolatry too, as well as this...

Matthew 23:10-12 - “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. “But the greatest among you shall be your servant. “Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted." (NASB)

It was just figure of speech Mr Scriptorian.

[conversationpc]

But my real person rub is one that I even had when I was a believer - the remote concept that God cares one whit about football games, or any type of sports-related event. If this isn't an example of people creating God in man's image, I don't know what is. Heck, my own mother believes and will tell you that God has a guiding hand in Razorback football. Tim Tebow's own pastor claims the same for the broncos -- this from a recent interview:

Think about this... in order for God to allow one team to win, he has to cause the other team to lose. What about the Christians on the other team? This is a very slippery slope, and the Broncos got defeated by the Bills 40-14. Even Bill Mahar couldn't resist jumping in. Serious Christian leaders should focus on the real problems in the world, and not spread messages that keep people's minds on such a superficial plane.

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

If I met Tim Tebow, I might really like him as a person, but this "Tebowing" thing is getting out of control. The Bible speaks very clearly about praying publicly:

Matthew 6:5-6 - When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. (NASB)

In contrast to this, the definition of Tebowing according to Tebowing.com is: "(vb) to get down on a knee and start praying, even if everyone else around you is doing something completely different."

The Bible obviously isn't saying that a Christian should NEVER pray publicly. Taken in context and with the rest of the New Testament as a whole, the passage above is not saying that it's always completely wrong to pray in public. Christians are instructed to pray together. How can you do that unless it's in public. I pray in public with the guys from my reunion group. We're not praying out loud but we are in a public place and probably pretty obvious that we're praying.

Sure, there are athletes that I've seen in the past that pray publicly and then go out and curse like a sailor, live an immoral life, and basically deny Christ in name with the rest of their lives. I think that's where the passage above applies. For Tebow, I haven't seen anything in his life aside from the public praying thing that would lead me to believe that he's seeking only glory for himself or denying the name of Christ by his actions.

[DrFU]

Soon Rip will be taking pics of his turds and threatening suicide.

nah .... thats been done

ditto doughnut denigration, statistical superiority, lawyering up, world weariness, and hillbilly homophobia ... chemically enhanced or not, Ripster's original

[YoungJRNY]

Rip, don't watch the Broncos then....sheesh you are sure wasting a lot of energy on this subject. Tebow is what he is, get over it.

^This is true, RIP. Don't watch the Broncos because they are literally the worst team to ever advance to the post-season due to their horrible and low-tier AFC West division. Most people waste their time and energy on Tim Tebow. He is what he is: one of THEE worst quarterbacking prospects to EVER grace the National Football League. The ONLY reason why he is advertised, is for his OBVIOUS need of "look at me" moments on the field where he "Tebow's" at EVERY juncture and sings Christian music in his press-conferences and team meetings (isn't that what CHURCH is for? Time and place for that 24/7.) Other than that, not worth watching him as a quarterback. If you want to watch a good athlete under center, simply watch Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Drew Brees man the position of all positions in the world of sports.

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

I beg to differ. Tebow was on SoundFX, a mic'd up football program during a couple of his games this season. He literally prays and thinks God is going to give him the strength to win football games. No joke. In the huddle, he sings happy songs and Christian oriented music. Before Marion Barber fumbled in the Bears game, he told his teammate God will help them win this game. After Barber fumbled, he told his teammate "The Lord has spoken." After he scored the game winning T.D against the Jets, he completely ignored his teammates with celebration, ran to the sidelines and prayed for 5 minutes. Don't let him fool you, it doesn't get more "ALL IS ME" than Tim Tebow. Sorry Tebow worshipers. It's true.

[Angel]

Rip, don't watch the Broncos then....sheesh you are sure wasting a lot of energy on this subject. Tebow is what he is, get over it.

^This is true, RIP. Don't watch the Broncos because they are literally the worst team to ever advance to the post-season due to their horrible and low-tier AFC West division. Most people waste their time and energy on Tim Tebow. He is what he is: one of THEE worst quarterbacking prospects to EVER grace the National Football League. The ONLY reason why he is advertised, is for his OBVIOUS need of "look at me" moments on the field where he "Tebow's" at EVERY juncture and sings Christian music in his press-conferences and team meetings (isn't that what CHURCH is for? Time and place for that 24/7.) Other than that, not worth watching him as a quarterback. If you want to watch a good athlete under center, simply watch Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Drew Brees man the position of all positions in the world of sports.

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

I beg to differ. Tebow was on SoundFX, a mic'd up football program during a couple of his games this season. He literally prays and thinks God is going to give him the strength to win football games. No joke. In the huddle, he sings happy songs and Christian oriented music. Before Marion Barber fumbled in the Bears game, he told his teammate God will help them win this game. After Barber fumbled, he told his teammate "The Lord has spoken." After he scored the game winning T.D against the Jets, he completely ignored his teammates with celebration, ran to the sidelines and prayed for 5 minutes. Don't let him fool you, it doesn't get more "ALL IS ME" than Tim Tebow.

And all of this hurts you how???

For the record, I don't think Tebow is a fabulous QB.....he's got a long way to go. I simply find it refreshing to find a professional athlete that is real and one getting media attention for something other than criminal acts. Now, if Tebow starts raping women, fighting dogs and murdering people-I'll change my mind about him.

[AlteredDNA]

Rip, don't watch the Broncos then....sheesh you are sure wasting a lot of energy on this subject. Tebow is what he is, get over it.

^This is true, RIP. Don't watch the Broncos because they are literally the worst team to ever advance to the post-season due to their horrible and low-tier AFC West division. Most people waste their time and energy on Tim Tebow. He is what he is: one of THEE worst quarterbacking prospects to EVER grace the National Football League. The ONLY reason why he is advertised, is for his OBVIOUS need of "look at me" moments on the field where he "Tebow's" at EVERY juncture and sings Christian music in his press-conferences and team meetings (isn't that what CHURCH is for? Time and place for that 24/7.) Other than that, not worth watching him as a quarterback. If you want to watch a good athlete under center, simply watch Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Drew Brees man the position of all positions in the world of sports.

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

I beg to differ. Tebow was on SoundFX, a mic'd up football program during a couple of his games this season. He literally prays and thinks God is going to give him the strength to win football games. No joke. In the huddle, he sings happy songs and Christian oriented music. Before Marion Barber fumbled in the Bears game, he told his teammate God will help them win this game. After Barber fumbled, he told his teammate "The Lord has spoken." After he scored the game winning T.D against the Jets, he completely ignored his teammates with celebration, ran to the sidelines and prayed for 5 minutes. Don't let him fool you, it doesn't get more "ALL IS ME" than Tim Tebow. Sorry Tebow worshipers. It's true.

This? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grM2sb7VYSs

[YoungJRNY]

Rip, don't watch the Broncos then....sheesh you are sure wasting a lot of energy on this subject. Tebow is what he is, get over it.

^This is true, RIP. Don't watch the Broncos because they are literally the worst team to ever advance to the post-season due to their horrible and low-tier AFC West division. Most people waste their time and energy on Tim Tebow. He is what he is: one of THEE worst quarterbacking prospects to EVER grace the National Football League. The ONLY reason why he is advertised, is for his OBVIOUS need of "look at me" moments on the field where he "Tebow's" at EVERY juncture and sings Christian music in his press-conferences and team meetings (isn't that what CHURCH is for? Time and place for that 24/7.) Other than that, not worth watching him as a quarterback. If you want to watch a good athlete under center, simply watch Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Drew Brees man the position of all positions in the world of sports.

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

I beg to differ. Tebow was on SoundFX, a mic'd up football program during a couple of his games this season. He literally prays and thinks God is going to give him the strength to win football games. No joke. In the huddle, he sings happy songs and Christian oriented music. Before Marion Barber fumbled in the Bears game, he told his teammate God will help them win this game. After Barber fumbled, he told his teammate "The Lord has spoken." After he scored the game winning T.D against the Jets, he completely ignored his teammates with celebration, ran to the sidelines and prayed for 5 minutes. Don't let him fool you, it doesn't get more "ALL IS ME" than Tim Tebow.

And all of this hurts you how???

For the record, I don't think Tebow is a fabulous QB.....he's got a long way to go. I simply find it refreshing to find a professional athlete that is real and one getting media attention for something other than criminal acts. Now, if Tebow starts raping women, fighting dogs and murdering people-I'll change my mind about him.

It actually doesn't hurt me at all, haha. When the subject of Tim Tebow comes up and if you say ANYTHING negative about him (I admire his kind-nature as a person, I only come down on him with his overzealous antics of religion on the football field and his atrocious QB play) the Tebow-worshipers will get offended and bring the "what has he done to you?" argument and get all butt-hurt. Tim Tebow is a public figure and does public actions that are up for criticism of the public eye. His terrible play on the field only exaggerates that. Tebow-apologists need to accept that fact.

[Rip Rokken]

Rip, don't watch the Broncos then....sheesh you are sure wasting a lot of energy on this subject. Tebow is what he is, get over it.

BTW-I don't think the Denver Broncos' wins are the result of divine intervention. I also don't think that Tebow is thanking God for the win or the great play or whatever fabulous thing just happened before he takes a knee. I think he's probably thanking God for his talents and the opportunites he's been given.

Now go have a drink and chill out, dude! You're going to have a stroke over this and it's just not worth it!

I don't watch football at all... didn't see this game, just heard about it. I'm actually not sure when he even does it (pre-game, post-game, etc.), what the content is, or even if it's at every game. I just know it's launched a ridiculous craze.

No worries about me having strokes - I don't get worked up about things like this. Just commenting.

[Rip Rokken]

It was just figure of speech Mr Scriptorian.

Do you eat seafood by chance?

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

[Rip Rokken]

I agree praying for a football game seems out of touch with God all together. Maybe the safety of fellow players? Something like that would be more in line.

The Pharisees were chastised for public display of faith for pious reasons. But Jesus could look into their hearts. I cannot look into Tim Tebow's. I think he is meaning well, but not thinking it all out.

I don't think he's meaning to hurt anyone at all - I just think he's not in touch with his own inner motivations. This is probably the biggest challenge to all of us as humans... to be introspectively truthful with ourselves about the things that motivate and drive us, and many people are sadly incapable of doing that. People who can't tend to manipulate others to satisfy hidden agendas that they refuse to even recognize. It's just base human nature, and is a challenge for everybody. We just have to do the best we can to be honest with ourselves first, so we can truly be genuine with everyone else.

[Rip Rokken]

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

Again, apparently not according to his pastor... ”Luck isn’t winning six games in a row. It’s favor. God’s favor,” Hanson said. “God has blessed his hard work.”

The Bible obviously isn't saying that a Christian should NEVER pray publicly. Taken in context and with the rest of the New Testament as a whole, the passage above is not saying that it's always completely wrong to pray in public. Christians are instructed to pray together. How can you do that unless it's in public. I pray in public with the guys from my reunion group. We're not praying out loud but we are in a public place and probably pretty obvious that we're praying.

Sure, there are athletes that I've seen in the past that pray publicly and then go out and curse like a sailor, live an immoral life, and basically deny Christ in name with the rest of their lives. I think that's where the passage above applies. For Tebow, I haven't seen anything in his life aside from the public praying thing that would lead me to believe that he's seeking only glory for himself or denying the name of Christ by his actions.

His public conduct has made him the center of the story again, just like in Florida. If he's not embarrassed by the attention he's drawing to himself (not to God), then he must enjoy it.

[Angel]

When the subject of Tim Tebow comes up and if you say ANYTHING negative about him (I admire his kind-nature as a person, I only come down on him with his overzealous antics of religion on the football field and his atrocious QB play) the Tebow-worshipers will get offended and bring the "what has he done to you?" argument and get all butt-hurt.

Much the same way the Tebow haters bring the "he's a terrible QB" argument and get all butt-hurt when something positive is said about him.....By the same token, when Denver wins the Tebow lovers give him all the credit while the haters argue that "if it wasn't for the defense they would have lost..." When Denver loses the Tebow lovers then turn to "it's not Tebow's fault, the defense sucked" and the Tebow haters say "see, Tebow is a terrible QB so that's why they lost." FWIW, I think on this subject I'm middle ground-a win or a loss belongs to the whole team. I for one just admire Tebow as a person and I am happy when Denver wins and I'm happy when Tebow has his good moments. Also...I've been a Denver fan my whole life, Tebow is just a bonus! If he didn't play for Denver, I'd still be a bigger Denver fan than Tebow fan......OK, so are we all clear on that now?

[Angel]

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

Again, apparently not according to his pastor... ”Luck isn’t winning six games in a row. It’s favor. God’s favor,” Hanson said. “God has blessed his hard work.”

That's his pastor saying that, not Tebow.

[Michigan Girl]

It was just figure of speech Mr Scriptorian.

Do you eat seafood by chance?

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

oooohhh ... Ima gonna hafta put my foot down here, this is a prime example of contextomy/quote mining.
You need to read all of Acts 15 ...now, I'm not a bible scholar nor a saint and I'm not getting into a religious war, but I do know that the entire
state of Louisiana is not going to hell ...just the black folks and cajuns!!

[RedWingFan]

...I'm not getting into a religious war, but I do know that the entire
state of Louisiana is not going to hell ...just the black folks and cajuns!!

[hoagiepete]

Do you think Tim Tebow whacks off? If not, please explain.

Ah crap. Is that a sin?

[conversationpc]

Give me a break. Do people really think Tebow is saying God cares about who wins or loses the game? Perhaps he's praying for the safety of the players, that he'll conduct himself properly, etc., etc. If you haven't already noticed, Tebow has given God credit following losses also, so taking that into account, I think it's pretty obvious he isn't saying God is taking sides in a football game.

Again, apparently not according to his pastor... ”Luck isn’t winning six games in a row. It’s favor. God’s favor,” Hanson said. “God has blessed his hard work.”

I don't give a flying monkey crap what his pastor says.

His public conduct has made him the center of the story again, just like in Florida. If he's not embarrassed by the attention he's drawing to himself (not to God), then he must enjoy it.

Who says he's not drawing attention to God? I'm not a Tim Tebow fan per-se but it certainly draws attention to the Creator as far as I'm concerned.

[artist4perry]

I agree praying for a football game seems out of touch with God all together. Maybe the safety of fellow players? Something like that would be more in line.

The Pharisees were chastised for public display of faith for pious reasons. But Jesus could look into their hearts. I cannot look into Tim Tebow's. I think he is meaning well, but not thinking it all out.

I don't think he's meaning to hurt anyone at all - I just think he's not in touch with his own inner motivations. This is probably the biggest challenge to all of us as humans... to be introspectively truthful with ourselves about the things that motivate and drive us, and many people are sadly incapable of doing that. People who can't tend to manipulate others to satisfy hidden agendas that they refuse to even recognize. It's just base human nature, and is a challenge for everybody. We just have to do the best we can to be honest with ourselves first, so we can truly be genuine with everyone else.

We have a moment of silence every morning at school, I use it to ask God to help me be kind to the children, to keep them safe, and to have patience with them. That is what I use mine for. It is a silent prayer so only God knows my thoughts. I think he means well, and I think he wants to be a good role model, but I would think making it less obvious to all would be better. I do say prayers before meals at restaurants many times, this is done quietly and with my family. I don't think it is wrong to ever show your faith, but your motives are what count.

[YoungJRNY]

When the subject of Tim Tebow comes up and if you say ANYTHING negative about him (I admire his kind-nature as a person, I only come down on him with his overzealous antics of religion on the football field and his atrocious QB play) the Tebow-worshipers will get offended and bring the "what has he done to you?" argument and get all butt-hurt.

Much the same way the Tebow haters bring the "he's a terrible QB" argument and get all butt-hurt when something positive is said about him.....By the same token, when Denver wins the Tebow lovers give him all the credit while the haters argue that "if it wasn't for the defense they would have lost..." When Denver loses the Tebow lovers then turn to "it's not Tebow's fault, the defense sucked" and the Tebow haters say "see, Tebow is a terrible QB so that's why they lost." FWIW, I think on this subject I'm middle ground-a win or a loss belongs to the whole team. I for one just admire Tebow as a person and I am happy when Denver wins and I'm happy when Tebow has his good moments. Also...I've been a Denver fan my whole life, Tebow is just a bonus! If he didn't play for Denver, I'd still be a bigger Denver fan than Tebow fan......OK, so are we all clear on that now?

QB play is worrented. That's his job. That's professional scrutiny. Has nothing to do with how he is as a person, something the Tebow-worshippers argue against. Not one time have I came down on the guy for his kind natured, human-feel as a person. All I said is he SUCKS as a quarterback and his amounts of prayers a day and how many doors he opens up for the elderly will never change that. It's Tebow-apologists that want to argue morals when morals about bagging on the guy has nothing to do with him blowing under center.

[Yoda]

Oh yay, another religious thread of Christian bashing.

[Enigma869]

If Tim Tebow is sincere then it is his right to express his religion freely.

Sure he does, but other people also have the right to tell Tebow to shut his pie hole and to stop pontificating about the "God" he prays to. The reality is that most people don't give a shit where he genuflects. Never in my life have I come across a football player get this much attention who sucks as bad as Tebow does. The guy is fucking DREADFUL as an NFL QB. I actually feel badly for the guy, watching him on the field, because he is sooooo fucking lost! He's as bad of a QB as I've ever seen in the NFL. If he's a genuinely nice person, good for him. There are a lot of genuinely nice people in the world who don't feel compelled to tell anyone who is forced to listen to them about their religion. For me, it's no different than someone babbling on and on about their political stances. Again, most people don't care to listen to it. Unfortunately, because of Tebow's platform as an NFL player, most who don't want to listen to it are still forced to! The reason that Tebow is so polarizing is that his fan club won't stick to just annointing the guy as a saint and the greatest human being who has ever lived. They have to take that next step and actually make the argument that the guy is a good QB, and he simply isn't remotely good.

[conversationpc]

If Tim Tebow is sincere then it is his right to express his religion freely.

Sure he does, but other people also have the right to tell Tebow to shut his pie hole and to stop pontificating about the "God" he prays to. The reality is that most people don't give a shit where he genuflects. Never in my life have I come across a football player get this much attention who sucks as bad as Tebow does. The guy is fucking DREADFUL as an NFL QB. I actually feel badly for the guy, watching him on the field, because he is sooooo fucking lost! He's as bad of a QB as I've ever seen in the NFL. If he's a genuinely nice person, good for him. There are a lot of genuinely nice people in the world who don't feel compelled to tell anyone who is forced to listen to them about their religion. For me, it's no different than someone babbling on and on about their political stances. Again, most people don't care to listen to it. Unfortunately, because of Tebow's platform as an NFL player, most who don't want to listen to it are still forced to! The reason that Tebow is so polarizing is that his fan club won't stick to just annointing the guy as a saint and the greatest human being who has ever lived. They have to take that next step and actually make the argument that the guy is a good QB, and he simply isn't remotely good.

No one's being forced to listen to him. There is still such a thing as a remote control...Change the channel, hit mute, turn the volume down. You have multiple choices.

[portland]

If Tim Tebow is sincere then it is his right to express his religion freely.

Sure he does, but other people also have the right to tell Tebow to shut his pie hole and to stop pontificating about the "God" he prays to. The reality is that most people don't give a shit where he genuflects. Never in my life have I come across a football player get this much attention who sucks as bad as Tebow does. The guy is fucking DREADFUL as an NFL QB. I actually feel badly for the guy, watching him on the field, because he is sooooo fucking lost! He's as bad of a QB as I've ever seen in the NFL. If he's a genuinely nice person, good for him. There are a lot of genuinely nice people in the world who don't feel compelled to tell anyone who is forced to listen to them about their religion. For me, it's no different than someone babbling on and on about their political stances. Again, most people don't care to listen to it. Unfortunately, because of Tebow's platform as an NFL player, most who don't want to listen to it are still forced to! The reason that Tebow is so polarizing is that his fan club won't stick to just annointing the guy as a saint and the greatest human being who has ever lived. They have to take that next step and actually make the argument that the guy is a good QB, and he simply isn't remotely good.

See watching the game, I just deduced that god was a PATS fan....


(just a little humor)

[Rip Rokken]

If Tim Tebow is sincere then it is his right to express his religion freely.

Sure he does, but other people also have the right to tell Tebow to shut his pie hole and to stop pontificating about the "God" he prays to. The reality is that most people don't give a shit where he genuflects. Never in my life have I come across a football player get this much attention who sucks as bad as Tebow does. The guy is fucking DREADFUL as an NFL QB. I actually feel badly for the guy, watching him on the field, because he is sooooo fucking lost! He's as bad of a QB as I've ever seen in the NFL. If he's a genuinely nice person, good for him. There are a lot of genuinely nice people in the world who don't feel compelled to tell anyone who is forced to listen to them about their religion. For me, it's no different than someone babbling on and on about their political stances. Again, most people don't care to listen to it. Unfortunately, because of Tebow's platform as an NFL player, most who don't want to listen to it are still forced to! The reason that Tebow is so polarizing is that his fan club won't stick to just annointing the guy as a saint and the greatest human being who has ever lived. They have to take that next step and actually make the argument that the guy is a good QB, and he simply isn't remotely good.

What sucks so hard about his QB'ing? I'd read some things when he first joined the Broncos, but would be interested to hear it from a fan of the game. Details!