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Why are singers undergoing surgery?

Postby AR » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:28 pm

Even superstar music legends like Paul Stanley of KISS believe it's never too late to look after your voice. With thousands of performances and over four decades of touring, Stanley said those years of hitting screeching notes and high-octane stage raps can take their toll.

"As soon as you hit the stage, you are a complete idiot," he said. "People are cheering for you, so you do the impossible and when you don't have enough time to recuperate afterwards, it just catches up with you. Literally speaking my voice was cracking. It was cracking quite a bit on stage."

Those years of strain is why the KISS vocalist had surgery on his vocal cords this year by the noted Dr. Steven Zietels, an otolaryngologist at the Massachusetts General Hospital Voice Center, who also operated on Adele.

"[Zietels] said my cords actually looked great for somebody who actually worked as much as I did and he did some minor things to mine," Stanley said. "It sounds way, way, way, way better."

It's good news for a nearly 60-year-old recording artist who is working on producing a new KISS album.

"I lead a pretty good healthy life and I think at some point that really plays into it. That whole cartoon lifestyle that some people think is key to being a rock star is your demise," Stanley said. "Treat your voice like an instrument. We take pretty good care of our guitars our violins and our pianos but we kind of take our voice for granted. You know, warm it up, warm it down and give it a chance to rest."

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Postby TRAGChick » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:25 pm

Could not agree more.
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Postby artist4perry » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:30 pm

TRAGChick wrote:Could not agree more.


The problem with sopranos and tenors..............high notes too often = strain and pain.
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Postby Andrew » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:08 pm

All recent recordings of Stanley I heard have him doing nothing but screaming...not one note of singing.
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Postby brywool » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:55 am

Yup, Paul's right about the stage. Perry alluded to this as well (paraphrasing) "While onstage, people and the show bring things out of you that you cannot reproduce without them". Totally true. And Paul says you end up doing things you shouldn't, again, right on the money, especially if you have a show the next day.

It IS very strange that SO many singers this year alone have gone under the vocal knife. It could be that because these operations are more successful these days, people feel more free to talk about it. Used to be that if you had the operation, you were probably done. No performer wants to send the signal "hey, I'm done now". Singing is not nearly as easy as people try and make you think. LOTS of discipline. Lots of saying NO to things. Lots of patience from your band members and friends is needed.

I remember when Rod Stewart was married to that model a few years ago. Much younger than him. Rod was always concerned about his voice, so he'd stay out of smokey places and basically take care of himself healthwise. The chick he was with, I remember when they separated, she whined about that. It can be hard on people around you.

Speaking of this, how's Jeremey doin????
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Postby Jeremey » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:15 am

brywool wrote:Yup, Paul's right about the stage. Perry alluded to this as well (paraphrasing) "While onstage, people and the show bring things out of you that you cannot reproduce without them". Totally true. And Paul says you end up doing things you shouldn't, again, right on the money, especially if you have a show the next day.

It IS very strange that SO many singers this year alone have gone under the vocal knife. It could be that because these operations are more successful these days, people feel more free to talk about it. Used to be that if you had the operation, you were probably done. No performer wants to send the signal "hey, I'm done now". Singing is not nearly as easy as people try and make you think. LOTS of discipline. Lots of saying NO to things. Lots of patience from your band members and friends is needed.

I remember when Rod Stewart was married to that model a few years ago. Much younger than him. Rod was always concerned about his voice, so he'd stay out of smokey places and basically take care of himself healthwise. The chick he was with, I remember when they separated, she whined about that. It can be hard on people around you.

Speaking of this, how's Jeremey doin????


Thanks for asking Bry!

My theory on why more singers are undergoing vocal surgery these days is that it's true, the surgery has become much more advanced and routine in the past 5 years or so. The success rate is extremely high, and it's not a very major operation...It takes about 20 minutes. In the past if singers had been developing problems, it's very possible that they would have looked to other alternatives or foregone surgery altogether. Now it's pretty routine and there's a very low risk versus reward ratio to just having it done and being able to sing better.

Another reason, I feel, is that there's a lot more pressure on singers to perform and more demanding media outlets these days than in the past. Tours seem to be shorter and with more dates packed together, leaving less recovery time. This is why there's been a rash of people getting surgery in the mid fall, as they are coming off of tours and needing to get repair done. Also, with Twitter and internet media being what it is, there's just more reporting of this sort of surgery these days. Lots of big name performers have had this surgery, but I don't necessarily remember press reports and Twitter statements being made about it when they have. Now it's a major news story and with fans so plugged into everything, it's much more in the public eye.

Incidentally, Rod Stewart has had this surgery done as well, despite his concerns about his voice. In fact, he was sued for millions of dollars over a deposit that wasn't refunded when he wasn't able to perform because his recovery took longer than expected.

As for me, I've just postponed my return date on Feb 11th due to a complication I've had from a persistent, dry cough. The cough is a side effect of an unrelated prescription that I just started taking in the past 3 weeks. As a result, my vocal cords are still inflamed and as of yesterday I've been advised to continue voice rest for another week or two, save my daily therapy routine. It's a real kick in the nuts, actually. My recovery team felt that there was still a chance to recuperate by the 2/11 date, but from a stress standpoint, I couldn't continue freaking out about it and we all thought it was best to reschedule the date. Our first date back is now 2/24, a single show at Freebird Live in Jacksonville Beach, FL. Aside from the complications caused by this cough, my recovery is going great, and I'm making daily progress with all of my therapy. It's just tough to have to lay low for another couple weeks when things were going so well.
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Postby brywool » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:29 am

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As for me, I've just postponed my return date on Feb 11th due to a complication I've had from a persistent, dry cough. The cough is a side effect of an unrelated prescription that I just started taking in the past 3 weeks. As a result, my vocal cords are still inflamed and as of yesterday I've been advised to continue voice rest for another week or two, save my daily therapy routine. It's a real kick in the nuts, actually. My recovery team felt that there was still a chance to recuperate by the 2/11 date, but from a stress standpoint, I couldn't continue freaking out about it and we all thought it was best to reschedule the date. Our first date back is now 2/24, a single show at Freebird Live in Jacksonville Beach, FL. Aside from the complications caused by this cough, my recovery is going great, and I'm making daily progress with all of my therapy. It's just tough to have to lay low for another couple weeks when things were going so well.


Dude, better to take the recovery time now than to have to deal with this later. I understand you're in speech therapy. Is that related to onsets and stuff? I did that for a bit. Man, the gal that was working with me was such a smart ass that I just couldn't keep going to her. I had a really hard time doing the stuff and she had zero patience. Ugh. Glad things are going good for you. Don't rush to get back. In the scheme of things, it's a very short time.
Dry cough- not FloVent is it?
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Postby AR » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:43 am

Andrew wrote:All recent recordings of Stanley I heard have him doing nothing but screaming...not one note of singing.


Very true. I found it hard to believe that they were allowing instant live recordings of the last 2 tours. I hope his surgery worked out for him. He'd probably have never needed it if he'd kept the in between song raps to a minimum.
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Postby jestor92 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:12 am

AR wrote:
Andrew wrote:All recent recordings of Stanley I heard have him doing nothing but screaming...not one note of singing.


Very true. I found it hard to believe that they were allowing instant live recordings of the last 2 tours. I hope his surgery worked out for him. He'd probably have never needed it if he'd kept the in between song raps to a minimum.

As a die hard KISS fan it's been hard to hear Paul attempt to sing since about '05. His voice you could hear via the Instant Live recording was starting to deteriorate in 2004 on the Rock The Nation tour. It sounded OK on the Live To Win Tour. The Alive 35 and Sonic Boom tours he sounded horrible. Even the Sonic Boom album he sounded bad on.

I hope his surgery helped him.
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Postby brywool » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:14 am

jestor92 wrote:
AR wrote:
Andrew wrote:All recent recordings of Stanley I heard have him doing nothing but screaming...not one note of singing.


Very true. I found it hard to believe that they were allowing instant live recordings of the last 2 tours. I hope his surgery worked out for him. He'd probably have never needed it if he'd kept the in between song raps to a minimum.

As a die hard KISS fan it's been hard to hear Paul attempt to sing since about '05. His voice you could hear via the Instant Live recording was starting to deteriorate in 2004 on the Rock The Nation tour. It sounded OK on the Live To Win Tour. The Alive 35 and Sonic Boom tours he sounded horrible. Even the Sonic Boom album he sounded bad on.

I hope his surgery helped him.


I'm not a big Kiss fan, but if I recall, Stanley sings some pretty high stuff, right? Put the X in Sex is a pretty high song.
It will be interesting to hear from Kiss fans how he sounds now. Hopefully, he will take measures to not end up in the same
boat later. Wonder how many times a singer can have this operation?
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Postby Jeremey » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:34 am

brywool wrote:
Dude, better to take the recovery time now than to have to deal with this later. I understand you're in speech therapy. Is that related to onsets and stuff? I did that for a bit. Man, the gal that was working with me was such a smart ass that I just couldn't keep going to her. I had a really hard time doing the stuff and she had zero patience. Ugh. Glad things are going good for you. Don't rush to get back. In the scheme of things, it's a very short time.
Dry cough- not FloVent is it?


The speech therapy is part of the overall recovery process, in that the therapist is trained in working exclusively with singers & the speech part of it deals more with rehabilitating the vocal process that was being compensated for while singing through the polyp. It's basically retraining muscles to work properly/most efficiently. It's a great program, Vanderbilt University has a department called the Voice Center that has always worked with singers in Nashville & the Duke program I am working with is an offshoot of the Vanderbilt program, set up by Vanderbilt alumni that worked and trained in that area.

The dry cough is a side effect of blood pressure meds I started on the week after my surgery. I had a serious case of bronchitis the week after my surgery and it wasn't clear that this coughing was a side effect of the meds and not the bronchitis. It's enough to make your head spin, man, LOL. Luckily things are progressing well and we've pretty much nailed everything down at this point.
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:33 pm

Jeremey wrote:
brywool wrote:
Dude, better to take the recovery time now than to have to deal with this later. I understand you're in speech therapy. Is that related to onsets and stuff? I did that for a bit. Man, the gal that was working with me was such a smart ass that I just couldn't keep going to her. I had a really hard time doing the stuff and she had zero patience. Ugh. Glad things are going good for you. Don't rush to get back. In the scheme of things, it's a very short time.
Dry cough- not FloVent is it?


The speech therapy is part of the overall recovery process, in that the therapist is trained in working exclusively with singers & the speech part of it deals more with rehabilitating the vocal process that was being compensated for while singing through the polyp. It's basically retraining muscles to work properly/most efficiently. It's a great program, Vanderbilt University has a department called the Voice Center that has always worked with singers in Nashville & the Duke program I am working with is an offshoot of the Vanderbilt program, set up by Vanderbilt alumni that worked and trained in that area.

The dry cough is a side effect of blood pressure meds I started on the week after my surgery. I had a serious case of bronchitis the week after my surgery and it wasn't clear that this coughing was a side effect of the meds and not the bronchitis. It's enough to make your head spin, man, LOL. Luckily things are progressing well and we've pretty much nailed everything down at this point.


Get to feeling better. :D
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Postby AR » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:03 pm

brywool wrote:
jestor92 wrote:
AR wrote:
Andrew wrote:All recent recordings of Stanley I heard have him doing nothing but screaming...not one note of singing.


Very true. I found it hard to believe that they were allowing instant live recordings of the last 2 tours. I hope his surgery worked out for him. He'd probably have never needed it if he'd kept the in between song raps to a minimum.

As a die hard KISS fan it's been hard to hear Paul attempt to sing since about '05. His voice you could hear via the Instant Live recording was starting to deteriorate in 2004 on the Rock The Nation tour. It sounded OK on the Live To Win Tour. The Alive 35 and Sonic Boom tours he sounded horrible. Even the Sonic Boom album he sounded bad on.

I hope his surgery helped him.


I'm not a big Kiss fan, but if I recall, Stanley sings some pretty high stuff, right? Put the X in Sex is a pretty high song.
It will be interesting to hear from Kiss fans how he sounds now. Hopefully, he will take measures to not end up in the same
boat later. Wonder how many times a singer can have this operation?


He never started singing really high until the 80's. His range really went off the charts then. HE started hitting ridiculously high notes. The 70's material doesn't require that kind of range.
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Postby brywool » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:58 pm

Jeremey wrote:
brywool wrote:
Dude, better to take the recovery time now than to have to deal with this later. I understand you're in speech therapy. Is that related to onsets and stuff? I did that for a bit. Man, the gal that was working with me was such a smart ass that I just couldn't keep going to her. I had a really hard time doing the stuff and she had zero patience. Ugh. Glad things are going good for you. Don't rush to get back. In the scheme of things, it's a very short time.
Dry cough- not FloVent is it?


The speech therapy is part of the overall recovery process, in that the therapist is trained in working exclusively with singers & the speech part of it deals more with rehabilitating the vocal process that was being compensated for while singing through the polyp. It's basically retraining muscles to work properly/most efficiently. It's a great program, Vanderbilt University has a department called the Voice Center that has always worked with singers in Nashville & the Duke program I am working with is an offshoot of the Vanderbilt program, set up by Vanderbilt alumni that worked and trained in that area.

The dry cough is a side effect of blood pressure meds I started on the week after my surgery. I had a serious case of bronchitis the week after my surgery and it wasn't clear that this coughing was a side effect of the meds and not the bronchitis. It's enough to make your head spin, man, LOL. Luckily things are progressing well and we've pretty much nailed everything down at this point.


man, that sucks. Bronchitis is bad enough, but what you got going- damn. Wish I could see your doctors. Went to the University of Washington. Spent a ton of money cuz you gotta pay for the examination AND their facility, so they bill you twice. 2 years later, I'm in the same boat.
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Postby Jeremey » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:04 am

Yeah I know what you mean about the double billing, they do the same thing at Duke, so luckily they have a satellite studio in Raleigh that I go to. Since I have no health insurance it's the only feasible way of doing it. As it is, I'm in over $20,000 on this whole process, and that's with the "self insured" discount. Luckily I can just pay a little bit each month. I'm extremely lucky to be able to get this level of care given my situation.
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Postby brywool » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:48 am

Jeremey wrote:Yeah I know what you mean about the double billing, they do the same thing at Duke, so luckily they have a satellite studio in Raleigh that I go to. Since I have no health insurance it's the only feasible way of doing it. As it is, I'm in over $20,000 on this whole process, and that's with the "self insured" discount. Luckily I can just pay a little bit each month. I'm extremely lucky to be able to get this level of care given my situation.


Oh man. I don't envy you that at all. That's a huge bill.
Isn't it amazing how much money and time is invested in simply singing?
Boggles my mind.
Hmmm.... couldn't u write that off?
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