Former JOURNEY Singer STEVE PERRY Plans Return To Studio

[parfait]

Cain brought more to Journey than Rolie did. I like 'em both, but Cain is the vastly superior writer and more versatile musician. Imagine SIL with the Hammond B3 instead of rhythm guitar.

It was Cain that took Journey from mega stars to super stars.

It was also Cain that made them gay. Keytar? Faded wedding photographs? Rollie is the fucking man.

+1 ...
I appreciate what they both brought, but Journey wasn't hurtin' a bit with Rolie.
I didn't think we were talking about who made/changed the band anyway ...it's about
filling a seat and throwing in some vox (Rolie all the way)
I'd like to see them all write together, but yeah Perry and Schon created some beautiful
music together!! ...

Yeah, I think they sold more records with Cain ...yes, everyone should choose Cain!!

Exactly. One would be stupid not to choose Cain when talking about sales or success, but one would be a fucking retard to prefer Cain's sappy pop-rock to Rollie's fusion, bluesy sound. Cain doesn't have a rocking bone in his body. Bet he's a great guy, but Perry and him just made some of the most commercial, in your face pop-rock songs imaginable. Perry got three songs I like; Somewhere There's Hope, You Better Wait and She's Mine. The rest is sappy nonsense. He certainly can't write to save his life.

The only one who can really sculpt a good melody on his own is Schon, but there's no doubt that they're far better together than on their own.

[Gideon]

Exactly. One would be stupid not to choose Cain when talking about sales or success, but one would be a fucking retard to prefer Cain's sappy pop-rock to Rollie's fusion, bluesy sound. Cain doesn't have a rocking bone in his body. Bet he's a great guy, but Perry and him just made some of the most commercial, in your face pop-rock songs imaginable. Perry got three songs I like; Somewhere There's Hope, You Better Wait and She's Mine. The rest is sappy nonsense. He certainly can't write to save his life.

The only one who can really sculpt a good melody on his own is Schon, but there's no doubt that they're far better together than on their own.

Escape
Lay It Down
Keep On Runnin'
Separate Ways
Edge of the Blade
Troubled Child
Rubicon
Be Good To Yourself
Message of Love
One More
Castles Burning
Can't Tame The Lion
I Can See It In Your Eyes
World Gone Wild
Live And Breathe
Nothin' Comes Close
Out of Harm's Way
Never Too Late
Where Did I Lose Your Love
Wildest Dream
What It Takes To Win
Edge of the Moment
Chain of Love
Resonate
Human Feel
State of Grace
The Time

I think this is a pretty solid, comprehensive list of Journey's heaviest tracks (w/ vocals) that feature Cain in the writing credits. I omitted some like Stone In Love because you could very easily argue that it's in the realm of pop-rock. But then you've got plenty of tracks on here that shitstomp the heaviest tunes from the Rolie-era. Cain might prefer the ballad, but don't tell me can't rock.

There's nothing from Infinity to Departure that matches some of these in terms of rock. Cain can write a better ballad and a better rock song.

[Gideon]

Perry made Cain's lyric's sell. The proof is in Cain's success since Perry left them. Anything that he can brag about is because of Perry's vocals. Hell, anything that Journey has to brag about is because of Perry's vocals. Then too, I'm thinking that anything that Perry has to brag about is because of Neal's quitar. I'm not a lover of Oh Sherrie or Foolish Heart. I know that radio stations were introducing the songs as Journey music and some still today which I would credit with the songs making the charts.JMHO

I disagree. If it was just the voice, then any song with Perry's voice on it would have been as successful. People use the expression "I could listen to this guy/gal sing the telephone book", but have you actually heard strike gold with a song called the "Yellow Pages"? There's more to a successful song than the person singing it. Lyrics, melody, the hook all play an intricate role. It was Cain that gave Perry something truly worth his voice to sing and that's my opinion. He doesn't get nearly enough credit.

[slucero]

... and that's why one persons reason is just as valid (and invalid) as another persons....

[jrny84]

I agree with others that say Cain and Perry were the dynamic duo. John Cain has a gift of writing songs that really mesh with Perry's melodic voice style. I do like Rolie and enjoyed the music when he was in the band, but when John Cain came along it took Journey in a whole different arena...literally. I enjoy more of the power ballads and rock songs Cain brought to the table rather than the bluesy stuff rolie did.

[whirlwind]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

[tater1977]

Think SP said it best in an old interview... Neal is the wreckless one, Steve is the melodic one & Jon is Amadeus....

[whirlwind]

I guess that what I'm saying is that I, myself, don't really want anymore sappy, deep music from Perry unless it's got that Journey magic. I don't care if he stands alone or is missing you. I would like the lights to shine on the lovin, touchin, squeezin jokers hiding out on the streets of South Detroit. Enough of sissy ass broken hearted melodies. His famous fifty are probably more of FTLOSM. Grow up!

[Gideon]

... and that's why one persons reason is just as valid (and invalid) as another persons....

...And that's why no one here said anything to the contrary.

[Gideon]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

You said "Anything that [Cain] can brag about is because of Perry's vocals." I disagree, Cain's contributions are indelible and SP and Schon owe as much to him as he owes to them. He's an essential thread to the tapestry that is Journey, just as much as the other two. In my opinion, that is.

But I also agree that they do their best work together, as SP said in his recent interview.

[ttango1]

Really Steve?

[whirlwind]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

You said "Anything that [Cain] can brag about is because of Perry's vocals." I disagree, Cain's contributions are indelible and SP and Schon owe as much to him as he owes to them. He's an essential thread to the tapestry that is Journey, just as much as the other two. In my opinion, that is.

But I also agree that they do their best work together, as SP said in his recent interview.

What can Cain brag about since Perry left? No hits and a lot of miss's. Perry didn't just sing Cain's lyrics. He polished them and he and Schon made them something special. Hell, Perry and Schon could perforn the phone book

[Gideon]

What can Cain brag about since Perry left? No hits and a lot of miss's. Perry didn't just sing Cain's lyrics. He polished them and he and Schon made them something special.

Cain doesn't have a lot of bragging room post-Perry. But neither does Schon. Then again, neither does Perry. If I recall, "I Stand Alone" wasn't topping the Billboards. "You Better Wait" was the closest he came and it was hardly a monster hit. Trial By Fire and Revelation are the most successful albums Journey's created in the past 20 years. But it's silly to use that as evidence that Cain's contributions were negligible. Because if post-80s success is your measurement, none of them have much to offer.

You need look no farther for testimony to Cain's contributions.

Journey had huge momentum, but clearly Jonathan Cain brought a lot to the band when he joined in 1980, particularly as a songwriter.

No doubt. I had been eyeballing Jonathan for a while because we were on tour with the Babies and I was watching Jon every night. I started hanging out with him, we had a lot in common musically. When [original keyboardist] Gregg Rolie decided he had really had enough of touring, he wanted to start a family and get off the road, Jon was my absolute first pick. He's a tremendous asset to the band, not only as a songwriter, but as a player. He pretty much can pick up any instrument and play anything he wants to play.

The impact of Jonathan joining the band was pretty immediate.

We had done all this groundwork. We had "Infinity" (1978) that was hugely successful, "Evolution" (1979), then "Departure" (1980) then we came with "Captured" (1980), a double live record from Detroit that just went ballistic for us and set the ground for what was to come next. We were over the top live at that point, playing stadiums, and were rocking hard, there was a lot of energy on stage.

Hell, Perry and Schon could perforn the phone book

The zero hits either of them have had in the past two decades says otherwise.

[steveo777]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

You said "Anything that [Cain] can brag about is because of Perry's vocals." I disagree, Cain's contributions are indelible and SP and Schon owe as much to him as he owes to them. He's an essential thread to the tapestry that is Journey, just as much as the other two. In my opinion, that is.

But I also agree that they do their best work together, as SP said in his recent interview.

What can Cain brag about since Perry left? No hits and a lot of miss's. Perry didn't just sing Cain's lyrics. He polished them and he and Schon made them something special. Hell, Perry and Schon could perforn the phone book

Bad argument. This is a very different environment for their genre and has been since the mid 90's. There are some of us who still love and appreciate it, but I can see what you are saying....I just think you are wrong about Cain.

[Gideon]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

You said "Anything that [Cain] can brag about is because of Perry's vocals." I disagree, Cain's contributions are indelible and SP and Schon owe as much to him as he owes to them. He's an essential thread to the tapestry that is Journey, just as much as the other two. In my opinion, that is.

But I also agree that they do their best work together, as SP said in his recent interview.

What can Cain brag about since Perry left? No hits and a lot of miss's. Perry didn't just sing Cain's lyrics. He polished them and he and Schon made them something special. Hell, Perry and Schon could perforn the phone book

Bad argument. This is a very different environment for their genre and has been since the mid 90's. There are some of us who still love and appreciate it, but I can see what you are saying....I just think you are wrong about Cain.

Exactly. I'm not harping on people who don't put JC on par with NS or SP, but he definitely deserves more credit than many give him.

[whirlwind]

Come on. Like Schon knows what the heck he's talking about. Like H.H. stated, Neal's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Like he's going to give the credit to Cain instead of Perry for the band going ballistic. Neal said that the crowd changed to mostly females and that Perry brought the band it's success. Nough said! Still say that Cain could be replaced with someone less apt. to write a bunch of wedding singer material.

[Gideon]

You don't have to take Neal's word for it. At the end of the day, without Cain, Journey's biggest hits vanish: No Open Arms, no Faithfully... no DSB.

[slucero]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

actually - if you read/listen to some of Perry's interviews.. and Jon's... it was Cain and Perry that wrote the most together... because they shared a love of R&B...

[whirlwind]

What can Cain brag about since Perry left? No hits and a lot of miss's. Perry didn't just sing Cain's lyrics. He polished them and he and Schon made them something special.

Cain doesn't have a lot of bragging room post-Perry. But neither does Schon. Then again, neither does Perry. If I recall, "I Stand Alone" wasn't topping the Billboards. "You Better Wait" was the closest he came and it was hardly a monster hit. Trial By Fire and Revelation are the most successful albums Journey's created in the past 20 years. But it's silly to use that as evidence that Cain's contributions were negligible. Because if post-80s success is your measurement, none of them have much to offer.

You need look no farther for testimony to Cain's contributions.

Journey had huge momentum, but clearly Jonathan Cain brought a lot to the band when he joined in 1980, particularly as a songwriter.

No doubt. I had been eyeballing Jonathan for a while because we were on tour with the Babies and I was watching Jon every night. I started hanging out with him, we had a lot in common musically. When [original keyboardist] Gregg Rolie decided he had really had enough of touring, he wanted to start a family and get off the road, Jon was my absolute first pick. He's a tremendous asset to the band, not only as a songwriter, but as a player. He pretty much can pick up any instrument and play anything he wants to play.

The impact of Jonathan joining the band was pretty immediate.

We had done all this groundwork. We had "Infinity" (1978) that was hugely successful, "Evolution" (1979), then "Departure" (1980) then we came with "Captured" (1980), a double live record from Detroit that just went ballistic for us and set the ground for what was to come next. We were over the top live at that point, playing stadiums, and were rocking hard, there was a lot of energy on stage.

Hell, Perry and Schon could perforn the phone book

The zero hits either of them have had in the past two decades says otherwise.

Have I not been saying that they need each other and the name Journey?

[Gideon]

Have I not been saying that they need each other and the name Journey?

And there we agree. I'm not saying JC brought all the success, none of them did. But he brought more to the plate than Rolie ever did.

[whirlwind]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

actually - if you read/listen to some of Perry's interviews.. and Jon's... it was Cain and Perry that wrote the most together... because they shared a love of R&B...

Cain R&B?
His lyrics are more country anymore.

[slucero]

Like Elmo says, "No silly Gideon
I'm not saying that the voice sold Cain's songs. I meant with Journey. Neal's Journey. Perry couldn't have done a number on Cain's songs without Schon.
When I started this, I stated that I thought that Cain could be left out of the equation, replaced, but Perry and Schon are the Journey sound that can't be replaced and since this is the last year of existence, as Andrew indicates, Perry had better get off his fat ass and beg Schon to take one last Journey.

actually - if you read/listen to some of Perry's interviews.. and Jon's... it was Cain and Perry that wrote the most together... because they shared a love of R&B...

Cain R&B?
His lyrics are more country anymore.

right but he and Perry shared a love of R&B and Motown... the melodies... I remember Jon saying that in interview...

[whirlwind]

Regardless of what any one of them said at any given time. It was obviously the flavor of the moment.

To all of them, it's an unfinished lives project, Journey is. God help that anyone of the guys from that band should pass on. My God, what's possible for that band, would shake the music world, if they were to combine their talents before it becomes a moot point, that being losing one of the two who can't be replaced. It's a crime and they owe it to all the people who have revered them for so long. I would despise Perry if he was responsible for not pushing to make this happen. What has he got to write about anyway? You have to walk the walk in order to talk the talk.

Oh well, I've only ever loved the Journey/Perry years and had to get a lot of it off my chest. I have always figured it would happen someday and since hell is on its way to freezing over, , I thought maybe I'd push for this year.

Journey/Perry or Bust!

[parfait]

Exactly. One would be stupid not to choose Cain when talking about sales or success, but one would be a fucking retard to prefer Cain's sappy pop-rock to Rollie's fusion, bluesy sound. Cain doesn't have a rocking bone in his body. Bet he's a great guy, but Perry and him just made some of the most commercial, in your face pop-rock songs imaginable. Perry got three songs I like; Somewhere There's Hope, You Better Wait and She's Mine. The rest is sappy nonsense. He certainly can't write to save his life.

The only one who can really sculpt a good melody on his own is Schon, but there's no doubt that they're far better together than on their own.

Escape
Lay It Down
Keep On Runnin'
Separate Ways
Edge of the Blade
Troubled Child
Rubicon
Be Good To Yourself
Message of Love
One More
Castles Burning
Can't Tame The Lion
I Can See It In Your Eyes
World Gone Wild
Live And Breathe
Nothin' Comes Close
Out of Harm's Way
Never Too Late
Where Did I Lose Your Love
Wildest Dream
What It Takes To Win
Edge of the Moment
Chain of Love
Resonate
Human Feel
State of Grace
The Time

I think this is a pretty solid, comprehensive list of Journey's heaviest tracks (w/ vocals) that feature Cain in the writing credits. I omitted some like Stone In Love because you could very easily argue that it's in the realm of pop-rock. But then you've got plenty of tracks on here that shitstomp the heaviest tunes from the Rolie-era. Cain might prefer the ballad, but don't tell me can't rock.

There's nothing from Infinity to Departure that matches some of these in terms of rock. Cain can write a better ballad and a better rock song.

Yeah. Fuck you.

[whirlwind]

Exactly. One would be stupid not to choose Cain when talking about sales or success, but one would be a fucking retard to prefer Cain's sappy pop-rock to Rollie's fusion, bluesy sound. Cain doesn't have a rocking bone in his body. Bet he's a great guy, but Perry and him just made some of the most commercial, in your face pop-rock songs imaginable. Perry got three songs I like; Somewhere There's Hope, You Better Wait and She's Mine. The rest is sappy nonsense. He certainly can't write to save his life.

The only one who can really sculpt a good melody on his own is Schon, but there's no doubt that they're far better together than on their own.

Escape
Lay It Down
Keep On Runnin'
Separate Ways
Edge of the Blade
Troubled Child
Rubicon
Be Good To Yourself
Message of Love
One More
Castles Burning
Can't Tame The Lion
I Can See It In Your Eyes
World Gone Wild
Live And Breathe
Nothin' Comes Close
Out of Harm's Way
Never Too Late
Where Did I Lose Your Love
Wildest Dream
What It Takes To Win
Edge of the Moment
Chain of Love
Resonate
Human Feel
State of Grace
The Time

I think this is a pretty solid, comprehensive list of Journey's heaviest tracks (w/ vocals) that feature Cain in the writing credits. I omitted some like Stone In Love because you could very easily argue that it's in the realm of pop-rock. But then you've got plenty of tracks on here that shitstomp the heaviest tunes from the Rolie-era. Cain might prefer the ballad, but don't tell me can't rock.

There's nothing from Infinity to Departure that matches some of these in terms of rock. Cain can write a better ballad and a better rock song.

Yeah. Fuck you.

OOOOOOWWWWWWWwww! Black Magic Women!


Rolie's organ virsus Cain's keytar.

[Gideon]

Exactly. One would be stupid not to choose Cain when talking about sales or success, but one would be a fucking retard to prefer Cain's sappy pop-rock to Rollie's fusion, bluesy sound. Cain doesn't have a rocking bone in his body. Bet he's a great guy, but Perry and him just made some of the most commercial, in your face pop-rock songs imaginable. Perry got three songs I like; Somewhere There's Hope, You Better Wait and She's Mine. The rest is sappy nonsense. He certainly can't write to save his life.

The only one who can really sculpt a good melody on his own is Schon, but there's no doubt that they're far better together than on their own.

Escape
Lay It Down
Keep On Runnin'
Separate Ways
Edge of the Blade
Troubled Child
Rubicon
Be Good To Yourself
Message of Love
One More
Castles Burning
Can't Tame The Lion
I Can See It In Your Eyes
World Gone Wild
Live And Breathe
Nothin' Comes Close
Out of Harm's Way
Never Too Late
Where Did I Lose Your Love
Wildest Dream
What It Takes To Win
Edge of the Moment
Chain of Love
Resonate
Human Feel
State of Grace
The Time

I think this is a pretty solid, comprehensive list of Journey's heaviest tracks (w/ vocals) that feature Cain in the writing credits. I omitted some like Stone In Love because you could very easily argue that it's in the realm of pop-rock. But then you've got plenty of tracks on here that shitstomp the heaviest tunes from the Rolie-era. Cain might prefer the ballad, but don't tell me can't rock.

There's nothing from Infinity to Departure that matches some of these in terms of rock. Cain can write a better ballad and a better rock song.

Yeah. Fuck you.

I thought this was about music, not fashion.

[tater1977]

Did these guys use a fashion stylist while on tour?

[Gideon]

Did these guys use a fashion stylist while on tour?

You think Cain could have come up with that fabulous outfit on his own?

[tater1977]

Did these guys use a fashion stylist while on tour?

You think Cain could have come up with that fabulous outfit on his own?

I dun't know..some of them outfits they wore during certain tours ....
um..er..ahhh...yiii....dun't know lol...

[steveo777]

Exactly. One would be stupid not to choose Cain when talking about sales or success, but one would be a fucking retard to prefer Cain's sappy pop-rock to Rollie's fusion, bluesy sound. Cain doesn't have a rocking bone in his body. Bet he's a great guy, but Perry and him just made some of the most commercial, in your face pop-rock songs imaginable. Perry got three songs I like; Somewhere There's Hope, You Better Wait and She's Mine. The rest is sappy nonsense. He certainly can't write to save his life.

The only one who can really sculpt a good melody on his own is Schon, but there's no doubt that they're far better together than on their own.

Escape
Lay It Down
Keep On Runnin'
Separate Ways
Edge of the Blade
Troubled Child
Rubicon
Be Good To Yourself
Message of Love
One More
Castles Burning
Can't Tame The Lion
I Can See It In Your Eyes
World Gone Wild
Live And Breathe
Nothin' Comes Close
Out of Harm's Way
Never Too Late
Where Did I Lose Your Love
Wildest Dream
What It Takes To Win
Edge of the Moment
Chain of Love
Resonate
Human Feel
State of Grace
The Time

I think this is a pretty solid, comprehensive list of Journey's heaviest tracks (w/ vocals) that feature Cain in the writing credits. I omitted some like Stone In Love because you could very easily argue that it's in the realm of pop-rock. But then you've got plenty of tracks on here that shitstomp the heaviest tunes from the Rolie-era. Cain might prefer the ballad, but don't tell me can't rock.

There's nothing from Infinity to Departure that matches some of these in terms of rock. Cain can write a better ballad and a better rock song.

Yeah. Fuck you.

OOOOOOWWWWWWWwww! Black Magic Women!


Rolie's organ virsus Cain's keytar.

WTF! Did Rolie stick a pound of hamburger down his pants?