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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:00 am

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Enigma869 wrote:
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Well that's a week away, more pressing is your pick for todays game. :lol:

AFC by +17 :wink:


I LOATHE the "Pro Bowl". It's always offended my senses, as a football fan. I'm stunned that anyone watches the game.


Yep...I haven't watched it in years and have always though it to be the worst of the major sports leagues all-star games. Mike and Mike said as much on their show this morning as well.



4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


I watched the entire Pro-Bowl. It went from being the saddest thing I've ever witnessed (I've seen 7 year old's in the back yard more competitive at one point) to actually being entertained by the AFC's response to some NFC trickery like unnecessary onside kicks, 4th down fake punts and Q.B scrambles. Kind of hit nerve within the AFC squad and then they actually started playing, using stunts and make us all realize that defensive lineman DID make the trip. Cam Newton actually took a beating. One of the worst Pro Bowl performances I've seen to date. Plus, on a personal level, I always have pride for the Steelers and seeing some of them for the last time in 7 months was intriguing to me. I just enjoy football on every level.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:02 am

Fact Finder wrote:4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


It was the NFL and it was on television. That's about all it proves. Being the NFL, it should've had much higher ratings than that.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:06 am

conversationpc wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


It was the NFL and it was on television. That's about all it proves. Being the NFL, it should've had much higher ratings than that.


It was the second highest rated Pro-Bowl EVER, haha. The All-Star game in baseball defiantly has WAY more appeal to it than the NFL Pro Bowl. The Pro-Bowl is worthless in many's eyes and in more than one ways as it is but I was shocked to see the good rating and being the 2nd highest viewed Pro-Bowl since its existence.
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Postby Don » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:01 am

Fact Finder wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


It was the NFL and it was on television. That's about all it proves. Being the NFL, it should've had much higher ratings than that.


It would be if they actually played the game the REAL way, but they don't. Those fuckers were fighting over a winning $50,000 paycheck -v- a $25,000 loosers paycheck, it's a sad thing that $25,000 means so little to these guys and the League justs lets them fuck around for the game. There ought to be some standard. I watched it, but even the NBC crew and Doug Flutie in particular was really ragging on those guys the first 2 quarters for playing half assed.


With these rules, what the hell are you supposed to do?

Offensive rules:
-A TE must be on the field every play
-No motion or shifting
-Three WR's cannot line up on the same side
-Intentional Grounding is legal

Defensive rules:
-Must run a 4-3 at all times
-No more than 4 DB's can be on the field
-No press coverage except inside the 5 yard line
-No blitzing

Special teams rules:
-Cannot rush a punt, PAT, or FG attempt
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:55 am

Don wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


It was the NFL and it was on television. That's about all it proves. Being the NFL, it should've had much higher ratings than that.


It would be if they actually played the game the REAL way, but they don't. Those fuckers were fighting over a winning $50,000 paycheck -v- a $25,000 loosers paycheck, it's a sad thing that $25,000 means so little to these guys and the League justs lets them fuck around for the game. There ought to be some standard. I watched it, but even the NBC crew and Doug Flutie in particular was really ragging on those guys the first 2 quarters for playing half assed.


With these rules, what the hell are you supposed to do?

Offensive rules:
-A TE must be on the field every play
-No motion or shifting
-Three WR's cannot line up on the same side
-Intentional Grounding is legal

Defensive rules:
-Must run a 4-3 at all times
-No more than 4 DB's can be on the field
-No press coverage except inside the 5 yard line
-No blitzing

Special teams rules:
-Cannot rush a punt, PAT, or FG attempt


^ Goodell's fairytale NFL. This is what he is seeking out!
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:33 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


It shows the power and appeal of the NFL. That said, those are ATROCIOUS numbers for an NFL game on TV! I never watch the Pro Bowl. As I said, I find it to be an embarrassing event that doesn't even resemble football. One other point...you can't compare hockey ratings to ANYTHING else on the planet. While I certainly grew up in a hockey crazed city and love the game, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Americans couldn't care less about hockey. That's the way it's always been and will never change.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:36 pm

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4 quick facts... :lol:

Last Nights Pro Bowl TV Rating was 7.9
Last summers MLB All Star Game was 7.9
Last Years NBA All Star Game was 6.2

and

Last Nights NHL All Star Game was 1.1

Somebody was watching.


It shows the power and appeal of the NFL. That said, those are ATROCIOUS numbers for an NFL game on TV! I never watch the Pro Bowl. As I said, I find it to be an embarrassing event that doesn't even resemble football. One other point...you can't compare hockey ratings to ANYTHING else on the planet. While I certainly grew up in a hockey crazed city and love the game, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Americans couldn't care less about hockey. That's the way it's always been and will never change.


I honestly can't remember watching the Pro Bowl even once, even as a young kid. I don't watch any All Star games now, but I definitely watched plenty of MLB and NBA All Star games over the years through my early teens. But the Pro Bowl was inherently stupid to me, even when I was under 10 :shock:
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:48 pm

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I honestly can't remember watching the Pro Bowl even once, even as a young kid. I don't watch any All Star games now, but I definitely watched plenty of MLB and NBA All Star games over the years through my early teens. But the Pro Bowl was inherently stupid to me, even when I was under 10 :shock:


I agree Matt. I think I've watched part of 3 or 4 "Pro Bowl" games in my life and it's fucking embarrassing. It's a moronic game that serves zero purpose. As much as I love football, I'd rather watch pre-season games than this useless event, and I'm not a huge fan of pre-season football, either.
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Postby Don » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:02 pm

I think Warren Moon was in the last Pro Bowl game I watched.
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:10 am

Who cares. Let's talk about actual football. This year's game is the closest spread (according to Vegas) since the 1981 game between the Bengals and 49'ers. Sadly, I remember that game well. Good old Kenny Anderson and Chris Collinsworth. That was the game that set Montana on the road to becoming Montana.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:13 am

Tomlin interviews former head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs Todd Haley for the vacant offensive coordinator position for the Steelers. Top 3 candidates are Steelers QB's coach Randy Fitchner, former Chiefs head coach Todd Haley and Green Bay Packers QB's coach Tom Clements.

Interesting to see where this goes with Pittsburgh. I'm excited about all 3 guys and will take ANY of the 3 to mentor a young and uprising offense (Haley and Clements have Pittsburgh ties.) Hope they decide soon but glad to see Tomlin is taking the necessary time for interviews rather than just automatically promoting within.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:16 am

Enigma869 wrote:Who cares. Let's talk about actual football. This year's game is the closest spread (according to Vegas) since the 1981 game between the Bengals and 49'ers. Sadly, I remember that game well. Good old Kenny Anderson and Chris Collinsworth. That was the game that set Montana on the road to becoming Montana.


Vegas is saying it's pretty much ANYBODIES game, which it should be. Since 2001, the Pats have put on some good Super Bowls, as well as being close (I think the Pats/Panthers is an underrated Super Bowl in '03.) Hopefully Sunday won't disappoint from either team and we have another up and down contest that is very tight in coaching and philosophy. The Super Bowl over the years were good one's. I'm starting to think the Giants win this one by 10 or more. I just think their an overall better team than N.E and can exploit major weakness.
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:25 am

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Vegas is saying it's pretty much ANYBODIES game, which it should be. Since 2001, the Pats have put on some good Super Bowls, as well as being close (I think the Pats/Panthers is an underrated Super Bowl in '03.) Hopefully Sunday won't disappoint from either team and we have another up and down contest that is very tight in coaching and philosophy. The Super Bowl over the years were good one's. I'm starting to think the Giants win this one by 10 or more. I just think their an overall better team than N.E and can exploit major weakness.


It is anyone's game. I think the Giants have the better overall players, but the Rams had FAR better player in 2001 and lost the game. The Patriots were the better team in 2007 and the Giants won the game on an all time fluke play. I don't think either of these teams is winning by 10 or more points. The last two times these teams have played each other, the Giants had the ball last, and won the game. Many people forget that Brady led his team down the field in that Super Bowl against the Giants with only 2:00 left and gave his team the lead. His defense lost the game for him. I think whichever team has the ball last in this game will win the game.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:42 am

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Vegas is saying it's pretty much ANYBODIES game, which it should be. Since 2001, the Pats have put on some good Super Bowls, as well as being close (I think the Pats/Panthers is an underrated Super Bowl in '03.) Hopefully Sunday won't disappoint from either team and we have another up and down contest that is very tight in coaching and philosophy. The Super Bowl over the years were good one's. I'm starting to think the Giants win this one by 10 or more. I just think their an overall better team than N.E and can exploit major weakness.


It is anyone's game. I think the Giants have the better overall players, but the Rams had FAR better player in 2001 and lost the game. The Patriots were the better team in 2007 and the Giants won the game on an all time fluke play. I don't think either of these teams is winning by 10 or more points. The last two times these teams have played each other, the Giants had the ball last, and won the game. Many people forget that Brady led his team down the field in that Super Bowl against the Giants with only 2:00 left and gave his team the lead. His defense lost the game for him. I think whichever team has the ball last in this game will win the game.


Brady did the same exact thing earlier in the year. Not playing that well overall, Brady led the Pats down the field to take the lead before Manning led a Super Bowl XLII'esq type comeback to beat the Pats in the final seconds. Once you start thinking of the mis-match's, you can't help but think back to the Patriots weapons and mis-match's as well so I'm kind of going back and forth almost daily on the pick.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:48 am

Fact Finder wrote:This is hard to believe...

Apparently the Orlando Magic are set to play @ the Indy Pacers on Saturday night before the Super Bowl. The Magic CANNOT get hotel rooms in Indy so they have to fly into Cincy and spend Friday night here (late after a game in Orlando), before bussing over to Indy before the game on Saturday.

I understand that the NFL books these things YEARS in advance and I could care less about the NBA, but how in the hell does a Pro Sports City not compensate for this? It's the Friday night BEFORE the SB, and these NBA Teams are in Indy all the time (41 nights a year) staying at probably the same hotels year after year and team after team. How a hotel could just turn their back on the constant repeat business the NBA provides is beyond me. Hell, I bet some of the SB fans might even be taking in the B-ball game as well, yet an NBA team who is Scheluled to visit can't get their usual rooms? I'd be a pissed off Owner if my team spent every trip to any City, at say a Marriott Hotel, and then come this fatefull weekend and you are told to fuck off, the Big Games in town, stay somewhere else.


What are they supposed to do? Boot guests out? If you want to blame anyone, blame the NBA and/or the Magic for being asinine enough to schedule a home game Super Bowl weekend and being negligent enough not to schedule lodging well in advance of their team's road trip, respectively.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:20 am

Fact Finder wrote:This is hard to believe...

Apparently the Orlando Magic are set to play @ the Indy Pacers on Saturday night before the Super Bowl. The Magic CANNOT get hotel rooms in Indy so they have to fly into Cincy and spend Friday night here (late after a game in Orlando), before bussing over to Indy before the game on Saturday.

I understand that the NFL books these things YEARS in advance and I could care less about the NBA, but how in the hell does a Pro Sports City not compensate for this? It's the Friday night BEFORE the SB, and these NBA Teams are in Indy all the time (41 nights a year) staying at probably the same hotels year after year and team after team. How a hotel could just turn their back on the constant repeat business the NBA provides is beyond me. Hell, I bet some of the SB fans might even be taking in the B-ball game as well, yet an NBA team who is Scheluled to visit can't get their usual rooms? I'd be a pissed off Owner if my team spent every trip to any City, at say a Marriott Hotel, and then come this fatefull weekend and you are told to fuck off, the Big Games in town, stay somewhere else.


The ones responsible are not anyone in Indy. The teams themselves are responsible for booking their accommodations in advance and they darn well should have known that the Super Bowl was going on that weekend and made their reservations farther in advance than usual. If the rooms are already booked by paying customers, there's really nothing the hotels can do about it.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:45 am

Peyton Manning's voicemail to Brady. :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYrugFlm ... ture=share
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:58 am

Enigma869 wrote:Peyton Manning's voicemail to Brady. :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYrugFlm ... ture=share


Whoever's imitating Peyton doesn't even really sound anything like him. Still funny, though. :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:15 am

YoungJRNY wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb_bt8sd8qc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

2:08. Lmao.


I can't believe that they even let that fucker in!
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Postby Don » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:26 am

The NBA didn't even have a schedule in place until December so those are the breaks.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:26 am

In the interest of full disclosure, this article was written by a Boston writer. That said, he cites a lot of QB's numbers, including Roethlisberger, Bradshaw, Montana, Unitas, Marino and others. Interesting read.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk ... 830245-933
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:05 am

There's a big phenomena going around right now called "Pittsburgh Dad" created by Curt Wooten, who grew up in Pittsburgh with a "Pittsburgh Dad." He did short films, sit-coms and was in television, and in between sets, he would make impressions on how his "Pittsburgh Dad" would react to things and entertain his crew. It got so good that they decided to film him doing impressions and now they have over 1,000,000 views on Youtube. Radio-stations are takin' advantage of his appeal, news-stations, you name it. It's quite funny. They put out new, short-clip video's imitating a Pittsburgh Dad on common every day life.

Here's the newest installment:

"Pittsburgh Dad reacts to Super Bowl." Hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YgopB07UQ#!

Pittsburgh Dad watching the Steelers game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgg60Kxn ... re=related

For AR :lol:

Ravens lose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvbyPIek ... ure=relmfu
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:55 am

Peyton Manning CLEARED to play; Dines with Fitzgerald.

Looks like Arizona will be a potential HOT landing place for Manning.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:50 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Peyton Manning CLEARED to play; Dines with Fitzgerald.

Looks like Arizona will be a potential HOT landing place for Manning.


I saw that. Great news for the NFL. Guys like Peyton Manning are what the NFL needs more of!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:17 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:Peyton Manning CLEARED to play; Dines with Fitzgerald.

Looks like Arizona will be a potential HOT landing place for Manning.


I saw that. Great news for the NFL. Guys like Peyton Manning are what the NFL needs more of!


I'm really glad to hear this. I feel like Peyton's legacy is unfinished. I loved him, but he lost some of his luster in that NO Super Bowl performance a couple years ago. I'd love to see him get a fresh start somewhere and add another ring to his career legacy. He has impressed me like no other QB I've ever seen, but he needs another ring before I'm prepared to put him in the discussion of best of all time.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:36 pm

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Peyton needs another ring before I'm prepared to put him in the discussion of best of all time.


Sorry dude...Peyton isn't the best of all time and never will be. I'm a Peyton Manning fan and earlier in his career, I absolutely thought he might be the best ever. That said, it's impossible to overlook the fact that the guy has simply puked on his cleats way too many times, in big games. Hell, his career playoff record is 9-10, which is AWFUL for a QB of his stature! Great player, but I'm not sure I'd put him in the top 5 of all time. If his brother wins this weekend, Eli will move ahead of Peyton when it comes to being a big game QB. I actually feel badly for Peyton fans. Given the matchup this weekend, Peyton fans lose regardless of which team wins. If Brady wins, his legacy grows to a ridiculous level. If Eli wins, it won't be long until you hear many saying that Peyton isn't even the best QB in his own family!
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