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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:23 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:I didn't write it my man.


No, you didn't but seem to be enjoying taking shots at Brady and somehow acting like Brady is THE REASON that the Patriots lost this game. Last I checked, your team was at home watching The Super Bowl!


YoungJRNY wrote:over the past couple years that he's failed to deliver the kind of magic he delivered in the years of his championship victories


Such a moronic statement on so many levels. Let's examine how Brady "failed to deliver". What exactly did he fail to deliver? You do know that at one point in that game he was 16 for 16, right? You do know if Welker caught that first down pass with three and a half minutes left that the game was over and the Patriots win another championship, right? It obviously didn't happen, but I'm not sure how exactly that all of a sudden turns into Brady failing to deliver.

YoungJRNY wrote: It's not all about one player. Never will be.


Exactly. All the more remarkable how this Patriots team got anywhere near a Super Bowl with the fucking DREADFUL defense that they had!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:49 pm

No, you didn't but seem to be enjoying taking shots at Brady and somehow acting like Brady is THE REASON that the Patriots lost this game. Last I checked, your team was at home watching The Super Bowl!


That's not true. Don't get all butt-hurt on me here, John. In fact, go back a few pages and I'm one to say that I thought Brady's pass to Welker was spot on and it was up to Welker to adjust his body in factoring in the difficulty of the catch. The ball hit him SQUARE in the hands and givin' the quality player Welker is and givin' that Brady was throwing away from the safety, that should of been caught. It wasn't and people are blaming the throw more than the drop, which I highly disagree with.

It obviously didn't happen, but I'm not sure how exactly that all of a sudden turns into Brady failing to deliver.


Brady delivered and did his part on that 10/10 drive in that drive before half. Having said that, even after Welker's drop, Brady seemed to be getting ancy with his feet and just was off the mark on some throws afterward and especially on that heave deep to an ailing Gronk that resulted in a bad-timing interception. In fact, Brady made a horrific pass in the AFC Championship game that was double tipped and intercepted in the endzone. He could have made better choices and made some uncharacteristic-like meltdowns (the safety that resulted in 2 points for the Giants, where they scored on that drive afterwards.) Again, noones saying Brady sucks and is the worst QB ever, but he hasn't had the greatest of games over the past couple years either if those stats read correctly in the last couple big games of his career.

You do know if Welker caught that first down pass with three and a half minutes left that the game was over and the Patriots win another championship, right?


Of course that catch would or propelled New England's chances at winning XLVI to the 90+% range but playing that silly game, you do know that if Lee Evans holds onto that game winning touchdown in the AFC Championship game that your team would be right there with me at home watching the Super Bowl? :lol:

Exactly. All the more remarkable how this Patriots team got anywhere near a Super Bowl with the fucking DREADFUL defense that they had!


Lets not get TOO extreme with the exaggeration that the Patriots should of NEVER been in the Super Bowl this season and acting like they beat all the odds and had a bad team get there. Judging by the NFL's overall numbers and how everything played out, having a "dreadful" defense was put on the back-burner this season and teams with the high-powered offense proved that they could survive through the entire season and potentially meet up in the big game (the Pats were the #1 overall AFC seed and went 13-3 with one of the league's most scoring offense's.) As "dreadful" as the Patriots defense was statistically in yards allowed, they were 15th in the league at defensive scoring and forced about 34 turnovers (+17 in turnover ratio) at the most opportunistic times, not to mention 2nd in the league in interceptions with 23. They also stepped up in the playoffs and showed intensity (forcing 3 turnovers in the Super Bowl.) I'm not shocked at the slightest that the Patriots went to Super Bowl XLVI,(they were Vegas's favorites) not how this season went.
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Postby Yoda » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:26 am

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4. Washington Redskins

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Away: Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, St. Louis Rams, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers



I don't even worry about who they play anymore, because season in, season out, no matter who's the quarterback or who the head coach is, the Redskins always seem to play pretty well against teams that should beat them senseless, and poorly against teams they should match up well with. One thing I do know for sure, Rex Grossman better be as far away from the starting QB position as Ellen is from sausage! :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:17 pm

Antonio Brown is quickly becoming one of my favorite Steelers of ALL TIME and most of it is the reason for what he does OFF the field rather than on it (he's going to be an elite wideout, dude has the knack and has already made every clutch play thrown to him and he's only entering his 3rd season.) He's special and has the potential to walk amongst the great.

But this is just something you don't see every day. Not only did he respond to a fan on Twitter, he hung out with him all week. Attending friends birthday parties, going to hang out of basketball games and just BS'ing like normal dudes my age would talk about. Great story. Everytime I see Brown, he has this genuine smile that reminds me of a little boy just having some fun. My next jersey will be #84!


Steelers' Antonio Brown Spends Super Bowl Week with Twitter Fan Turned BFF
Published: Thursday, 9 Feb 2012 | 10:47 AM ET
By: Darren Rovell
CNBC Sports Business Reporter

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Antonio Brown & Seth Paladin

Seth Paladin couldn't believe the time Antonio Brown spent with him.

January 31 9:29 am: Tweet from @AntonioBrown84: Indianapolis #steelernation talk to me

January 31 9:39 am: Tweet from @sdpaladin: @AntonioBrown84 I live in Indy! Let's get lunch! How's 12:30?


It started just like that.

Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown had arrived in Indianapolis for the Super Bowl with some time on his hands. So he told his fans where he was. Seth Paladin, a die-hard Steelers fan, had planned his normal Tuesday. He was about to start his day as a sales representative for home security company ADT. But the fan in him decided to be bold, as he quickly scanned his Twitter timeline before going out. Not expecting much, he tweeted at the Steelers Pro Bowler, with 85,000 followers. He wanted to see him in person.

“When I first tweeted at him, I thought there was a very slim chance that he’d see it," Paladin said. "When he replied, I thought to myself, ‘This is crazy.’”

What happened next is the most amazing story of athlete-fan interaction in the short history of social media.

That's a pretty high bar, by the way.

Kevin Durant, in the mood to play flag football during the lockout, was told there was a game at nearby Oklahoma State. He showed up. Chad Ochocinco treated 66 of his Twitter followers to a fancy dinner. Shaquille O'Neal offered tickets to a game for anyone who tagged him in a mall. He gave away 30 tickets that day.

But no professional athlete has ever spent the kind of time with a fan that Antonio Brown spent with Seth Paladin during Super Bowl week.

After a series of replies, direct messages, texts, and calls, Brown eventually invited Paladin to his hotel room. They immediately hit it off. With an open schedule, the two of them headed over to a local gym.

There, Brown showed Paladin, a Pittsburgh native, his workout routine. They lifted weights. They swam laps in the pool.

And if the story stopped there, it would have been remarkable. But it was far from over.

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Brown took Paladin's friends out for a birthday dinner

That night, Paladin invited Brown to his friend's birthday at the upscale chain, The Capital Grille. Brown, who signed a 3-year, $1.29 million contract as a sixth round draft pick in 2010 and made a second-year minimum of $450,000 this past season, graciously picked up the entire bill full of drinks, appetizers, entrees and dessert.

Brown then went with Seth, and his five friends, to the Pacers game, where Brown sat on the floor for what he said was his first time.

"I saw what guys like Ochocinco did on Twitter and I wanted to give it a try," Brown told me. "I know there's a lot of support for us in Steeler Nation and it was fun to be with a fan and see what motivates him every day."

And if it ended that night, it would have been an amazing story that at least Paladin would remember for the rest of his life.

But, the next morning, there the two were, Brown and Paladin, at the breakfast table after yet another workout session. After Brown made some appearances in Indy, they met for lunch. Seriously? Is this really happening? What could two total strangers have to talk about after spending so many hours together?

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Paladin and Brown at Pacers Game

“We talked like any two young guys would,” said Paladin. “We talked about our families, sports and all things Steelers. There was never any awkward silence and the conversation flowed.”

The next day, Paladin and Brown were working out again. They got massages. At night, they went to the Madden Bowl, where Brown arranged for his new friend to get access to the VIP area and introduced him to some of his NFL-playing friends.

Brown had a full plate on Friday, but the two spent most of Saturday together. They met for an early morning Pilates session, which Brown does three times a week in the offseason.

"His abs were a little weak," Brown said of Paladin.

Later that day, Brown realized while at a Celebrity Flag Football Challenge, that he forgot to pack a pair of dress shoes to match his suit for the inaugural NFL awards show that night. So Brown got his wallet, and gave Paladin, who he had brought to the game with him, his credit card.

“I thought it was very cool that he trusted me this much after just meeting me on Tuesday," Paladin said. "It felt good."

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After the long week spent together, Brown gave Paladin an autographed photo

So while Brown played, Paladin went to Saks Fifth Avenue and picked up the size 11 Gucci shoes Brown was looking for.

On Super Bowl Sunday, Brown had an early flight out of Indianapolis. But before he stepped in the car to go the airport, Paladin was in the hotel lobby waiting for him. Paladin told him how much the week meant to him and how he took out the time to make a fan's dreams become reality.

"I realize we've been put in a position to be role models," Brown said. "I'd gladly do this again."

Said Paladin: “Twitter has always been a neat tool, but this encounter took it to another level for me. Twitter puts everyone on an even playing field. Don’t pass up an opportunity to interact with a role model, because you never know what they might say. Trust me."



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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:35 pm

It looks like Pittsburgh is in HUGE trouble with the salary cap next season. http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/nfl-salary-cap-projections-for-2012-season.html

Teams that will be at, or over the projected salary cap once they’ve signed the rookie class. These teams must purge their roster moving forward. The higher the cap number, the more drastic the cut backs need to be.

St. Louis Rams $120,982,904
Detroit Lions $122,760,121
New York Giants $124,735,807
New York Jets $128,092,733
Dallas Cowboys $128,910,735
Carolina Panthers $129,962,768
Oakland Raiders $140,861,316
Pittsburgh Steelers $149,885,537

I'm not surprised to see the Jets, Cowgirls and Raiders on the list, as well as the Giants. The Rams and Lions...I didn't expect that.

A majority of teams are right in the middle and won't be able to do much of anything in the free agency market. The following teams have lots of cap room and will therefore be able to make immediate and substantial improvements:

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237
Tennessee Titans $92,739,765
Washington Redskins $94,351,284
Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
Atlanta Falcons $100,227,174
Denver Broncos $101,389,121
New England Patriots $101,827,381
Chicago Bears $101,887,741
San Francisco 49ers $102,938,980
Cleveland Browns $103,789,162

I'm sure the Bengals will fuck it up somehow. Most of these clubs will have between $20 and $30 million to spend. Interesting that with the exception of the Pats and Forty Whiners, the rest of the teams on the list were either barely over .500 or substantially below it.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:46 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:It looks like Pittsburgh is in HUGE trouble with the salary cap next season. http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/nfl-salary-cap-projections-for-2012-season.html

Teams that will be at, or over the projected salary cap once they’ve signed the rookie class. These teams must purge their roster moving forward. The higher the cap number, the more drastic the cut backs need to be.

St. Louis Rams $120,982,904
Detroit Lions $122,760,121
New York Giants $124,735,807
New York Jets $128,092,733
Dallas Cowboys $128,910,735
Carolina Panthers $129,962,768
Oakland Raiders $140,861,316
Pittsburgh Steelers $149,885,537

I'm not surprised to see the Jets, Cowgirls and Raiders on the list, as well as the Giants. The Rams and Lions...I didn't expect that.

A majority of teams are right in the middle and won't be able to do much of anything in the free agency market. The following teams have lots of cap room and will therefore be able to make immediate and substantial improvements:

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237
Tennessee Titans $92,739,765
Washington Redskins $94,351,284
Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
Atlanta Falcons $100,227,174
Denver Broncos $101,389,121
New England Patriots $101,827,381
Chicago Bears $101,887,741
San Francisco 49ers $102,938,980
Cleveland Browns $103,789,162

I'm sure the Bengals will fuck it up somehow. Most of these clubs will have between $20 and $30 million to spend. Interesting that with the exception of the Pats and Forty Whiners, the rest of the teams on the list were either barely over .500 or substantially below it.


I expect the Patriots to franchise Wes Welker and go after one of the big name free agent receivers (probably Brandon Lloyd). As usual, they have two first round picks, and two second round picks. They MUST get a pass rusher and a corner who can actually cover anyone!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:25 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:It looks like Pittsburgh is in HUGE trouble with the salary cap next season. http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/nfl-salary-cap-projections-for-2012-season.html

Teams that will be at, or over the projected salary cap once they’ve signed the rookie class. These teams must purge their roster moving forward. The higher the cap number, the more drastic the cut backs need to be.

St. Louis Rams $120,982,904
Detroit Lions $122,760,121
New York Giants $124,735,807
New York Jets $128,092,733
Dallas Cowboys $128,910,735
Carolina Panthers $129,962,768
Oakland Raiders $140,861,316
Pittsburgh Steelers $149,885,537

I'm not surprised to see the Jets, Cowgirls and Raiders on the list, as well as the Giants. The Rams and Lions...I didn't expect that.

A majority of teams are right in the middle and won't be able to do much of anything in the free agency market. The following teams have lots of cap room and will therefore be able to make immediate and substantial improvements:

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237
Tennessee Titans $92,739,765
Washington Redskins $94,351,284
Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
Atlanta Falcons $100,227,174
Denver Broncos $101,389,121
New England Patriots $101,827,381
Chicago Bears $101,887,741
San Francisco 49ers $102,938,980
Cleveland Browns $103,789,162

I'm sure the Bengals will fuck it up somehow. Most of these clubs will have between $20 and $30 million to spend. Interesting that with the exception of the Pats and Forty Whiners, the rest of the teams on the list were either barely over .500 or substantially below it.
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Holmgren & Heckert are on record as not being big fans of building through big free agency splashes. They think it's too risky. So I'll be shocked if you see the Browns going after any HUGE free agents this season, although they have said they do plan to actually use free agency a bit.

Brandon Lloyd would be a nice fit for the Pats.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:54 am

Seven Wishes wrote:It looks like Pittsburgh is in HUGE trouble with the salary cap next season. http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/nfl-salary-cap-projections-for-2012-season.html

Teams that will be at, or over the projected salary cap once they’ve signed the rookie class. These teams must purge their roster moving forward. The higher the cap number, the more drastic the cut backs need to be.

St. Louis Rams $120,982,904
Detroit Lions $122,760,121
New York Giants $124,735,807
New York Jets $128,092,733
Dallas Cowboys $128,910,735
Carolina Panthers $129,962,768
Oakland Raiders $140,861,316
Pittsburgh Steelers $149,885,537

I'm not surprised to see the Jets, Cowgirls and Raiders on the list, as well as the Giants. The Rams and Lions...I didn't expect that.

A majority of teams are right in the middle and won't be able to do much of anything in the free agency market. The following teams have lots of cap room and will therefore be able to make immediate and substantial improvements:

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237
Tennessee Titans $92,739,765
Washington Redskins $94,351,284
Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
Atlanta Falcons $100,227,174
Denver Broncos $101,389,121
New England Patriots $101,827,381
Chicago Bears $101,887,741
San Francisco 49ers $102,938,980
Cleveland Browns $103,789,162

I'm sure the Bengals will fuck it up somehow. Most of these clubs will have between $20 and $30 million to spend. Interesting that with the exception of the Pats and Forty Whiners, the rest of the teams on the list were either barely over .500 or substantially below it.


The Steelers are already on a roll. We have the most unselfish players in the league and it's why we contend every season. Our elite players are taking huge pay cuts (LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, cut Bryant McFadden) and just like that, the Steelers, who were 26 million over the salary cap, are 15.2+ mil shaved and they haven't even TOUCHED the meat of their dead weight players yet to be cut, let alone restructure.

We haven't even touched:

Ward: 3mill savings with taking a cut
Kemo: 3.58mil
Farrior: 2.8mil
Foote: 3mil
Hampton: 5.89 mil
Smith: 2.89mil
Scott: 2.7 mil

Almost 23 mill with the above cuts and restructures.


Easily shift around another 15mill with the 3 below:

Troy
Harrison
Ben

After getting under the cap, that leaves 28million to sign 11 players. Steelers are fine but have work to do. As for Free Agency? What a laugh. Everybody and their mother and their mothers cousin's know the Steelers aren't players in Free Agency. They sit back and let every other team outbid each other for a washed up player while we build our team through the draft. Maybe we'll get a 2nd, 3rd level lineman or so to help the team, but nothing more major in that via FA.

Update: Ike Taylor just restructured as well as of this morning, saving another 3.28 million on the cap.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:06 am

I think Vincent Jackson would be a better fit with the Pats. Imagine trying to cover the 6'7" Jackson, 6'5" Gronk, Hernandez AND Welker? We'll add a couple of bona fide guys in the secondary and we'll be that much better in 2012.
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Postby Don » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:13 am

Seven Wishes wrote:I think Vincent Jackson would be a better fit with the Pats. Imagine trying to cover the 6'7" Jackson, 6'5" Gronk, Hernandez AND Welker? We'll add a couple of bona fide guys in the secondary and we'll be that much better in 2012.

Just saw his release, all that drama last year by the Chargers and all for nothing.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:42 am

Fact Finder wrote:February 11, 2012, 3:20 PM ET


Report: Steelers won't keep Hines Ward


Hines hasn't been let go YET, there's still time for negotiations but, the writing is on the wall. If he is let go, then that just goes to show every day comes for a favorite and legend. He'll go down as a Steelers legend but he simply doesn't fit in the direction of this offense anymore. I'd hate to see him in another uniform and waste his time. Hines has nothing more to prove.

Although the source comes from a wanker at the NFL Network, Jason La Canfora. I can't count how many goofs and fuck-ups this guy has reported. He's more wrong than he is right the majority of the time. We'll see what the Steelers want to do. If Hines Ward is cut, it'll be before the March 1st deadline to retain. If he stays, an announcement will be from a restructuring occurrence, something most Steelers are in the process of doing as we speak.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:13 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Antonio Brown is quickly becoming one of my favorite Steelers of ALL TIME and most of it is the reason for what he does OFF the field rather than on it (he's going to be an elite wideout, dude has the knack and has already made every clutch play thrown to him and he's only entering his 3rd season.) He's special and has the potential to walk amongst the great.

But this is just something you don't see every day. Not only did he respond to a fan on Twitter, he hung out with him all week. Attending friends birthday parties, going to hang out of basketball games and just BS'ing like normal dudes my age would talk about. Great story. Everytime I see Brown, he has this genuine smile that reminds me of a little boy just having some fun. My next jersey will be #84!



Cool story Trav. Wish we saw more of this in sports. Brown's got my respect now. My only question: did this guy actually have Pittsburgh connections of ANY sort or any tangible reason for rooting for the Steelers, or is he yet another pitiful Steelers bandwagon fan?
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:42 pm

Fact Finder wrote:February 11, 2012, 3:20 PM ET


Report: Steelers won't keep Hines Ward


Who cares. The goofy, smiling fuck can't play! It's not like the Steelers will even notice his absence.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:31 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:Antonio Brown is quickly becoming one of my favorite Steelers of ALL TIME and most of it is the reason for what he does OFF the field rather than on it (he's going to be an elite wideout, dude has the knack and has already made every clutch play thrown to him and he's only entering his 3rd season.) He's special and has the potential to walk amongst the great.

But this is just something you don't see every day. Not only did he respond to a fan on Twitter, he hung out with him all week. Attending friends birthday parties, going to hang out of basketball games and just BS'ing like normal dudes my age would talk about. Great story. Everytime I see Brown, he has this genuine smile that reminds me of a little boy just having some fun. My next jersey will be #84!



Cool story Trav. Wish we saw more of this in sports. Brown's got my respect now. My only question: did this guy actually have Pittsburgh connections of ANY sort or any tangible reason for rooting for the Steelers, or is he yet another pitiful Steelers bandwagon fan?


He was born and raised in the Pittsburgh area and moved to Indianapolis to seek a better job opportunity.
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Postby Peartree12249 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:32 pm

Hitler reacts to the Giants beating the Packers in the Playoffs

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Postby slucero » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:52 am

...guess the Saints ain't no Saints...

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:32 am

The Steelers are going to be hard pressed to finish 10-6 next year. What a disgrace.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:40 am

Seven Wishes wrote:The Steelers are going to be hard pressed to finish 10-6 next year. What a disgrace.


I've said it mainly all year last season that the youth movement has arrived. In fact, even though Hines is possibly my all-time favorite Steeler and ranks amongst the greats ever to put on the Black & Gold, I said it was a blessing in disguise that he was no longer a starter.

For years, the critics have brought the hammer down on Pittsburgh claiming they are too old and too slow and it's time for a change. Well, that change has come and these moves that are being made aren't nessasarily ground breaking.

Farrior is 37 years old and his ability as a Mike inside linebacker has horrificly fell off its coarse, especially in his pass coverage duties. It was a total nightmare watching him try to cover Vernon Davis on a crossing route and multiple other pass covering whereabouts that Monday Night game in San Fran.

Hines Ward started the season as #2 and ended up as #5 at the depth chart by seasons end. Speed demons like Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and younger-veteran guys like Jericho Cotchery (who's in talks for a long term deal with Pittsburgh) fit more solidly into the Steelers offense.

Other than that, Farrior (37) Ward (36) Aaron Smith (retiring) are the right moves to put in place for the Steelers franchise. We are losing legends but at the same time, not losing anything at all. Tons of players have even restructured (Roethlisberger, Woodley, Timmons, Taylor, Colon) to help us out in signing stud Mike Wallace (even though he may be a goner in the end.)

Point is, the Steelers still have their core of veteran leadership (Roethlisberger, Clark, Keisel, Woodley, Harrison, Polamalu, Taylor, Miller) and have a bunch of young guys ready for the spotlight (Mendenhall, Redman, Pouncey, Brown, Sanders, Keenan Lewis, Ziggy Hood, Cameron Heyward, etc.)

No disgrace at ALL. In fact, it's what is expected from one of the best ran franchise's in the game. New England did the SAME exact thing then went onto win 13-14 win seasons. For the Steelers sake, they still have the #1 defense and the key components that go into that.

Also, Baltimore did the SAME exact thing last season in getting rid of their veterans and getting younger (Heap, Mason, McGahee, etc.) AR can vouch for that and it worked out for them.

Looking at the Steelers opponents early for next season, they look to have a brutal schedule. I have them at 10-6 pre-draft.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:02 am

I wasn't aware those guys were that old. I stand corrected.

Per Patspulpit.com, the likely destinations of Vincent Jackson AND Reggie Wayne is New England. They're also deep into discussions with Mario Williams. Brady is going to restructure to allow for more cap room, and if we can avoid franchising Welker and sign him instead, we'll have $25 million in cap room.

Just imagine a 3 wideout set of Jackson, Wayne, and Welker - with the Twin Towers (Gronk and Hernandez). There'd be no stopping us. If we draft well and get a couple of free agent additions in the secondary, the Pats should be a lock for at least 12 wins in 2012.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:43 am

Seven Wishes wrote:I wasn't aware those guys were that old. I stand corrected.

Per Patspulpit.com, the likely destinations of Vincent Jackson AND Reggie Wayne is New England. They're also deep into discussions with Mario Williams. Brady is going to restructure to allow for more cap room, and if we can avoid franchising Welker and sign him instead, we'll have $25 million in cap room.

Just imagine a 3 wideout set of Jackson, Wayne, and Welker - with the Twin Towers (Gronk and Hernandez). There'd be no stopping us. If we draft well and get a couple of free agent additions in the secondary, the Pats should be a lock for at least 12 wins in 2012.


I think the Patriots system they run with Brady under the helm is flawless. Their problems don't really lye on wideout or any other position on offense other than RB in my opinion. The one thing over the years that the Pats didn't have other than the accusation of Corey Dillion years ago, was a solid run game. Their passing game is off the charts and a deep threat for Brady is overrated. They need a solid back that can balance them out. Their already a power-house, just imagine balance within that system. Like you said, 12-13 more wins in 2012 and another shot at a Lombardi.

Mario Williams would be one helluva move and I believe they should be looking secondary as well. I like what Chung brings to the table. He's a hard hitter. Kind of reminds me of Ryan Clark. If N.E can get a pass rush and Willams to take pressure off the secondary, then N.E will be the team to beat AGAIN.

Within' the WR ranks, the man I think is a sleeper and would be the most thought out on my team would be Dwayne Bowe. I'd do whatever it takes to go after him. He has the potential to be right up there with an Calvin Johnson or an Andre Johnson. I like his future with a stud QB throwing to him.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:53 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I think the Patriots system they run with Brady under the helm is flawless. Their problems don't really lye on wideout or any other position on offense other than RB in my opinion. The one thing over the years that the Pats didn't have other than the accusation of Corey Dillion years ago, was a solid run game. Their passing game is off the charts and a deep threat for Brady is overrated. They need a solid back that can balance them out.


I couldn't disagree more. The Patriots won a Super Bowl with Antwoin Smith as their running back. Not to mention, the Giants just won a Super Bowl with one of the worst rushing offenses (worse than the Patriots) in the entire NFL. A running game is only critical if your QB sucks! Drew Brees won a Super Bowl without much of a running game and so did Peyton Manning. Again, it's only critical if you don't have a guy under center who can actually throw the football. Even if the Patriots had Adrian Peterson, they would still throw the ball a whole lot more than they ever run it. Having a stud running back is the most overrated thing in the NFL. Ask the Jaguars, Titans, and Vikings how things worked out for them with what are considered "stud" NFL running backs.
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Postby mikemarrs » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:36 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:The Steelers are going to be hard pressed to finish 10-6 next year. What a disgrace.


I've said it mainly all year last season that the youth movement has arrived. In fact, even though Hines is possibly my all-time favorite Steeler and ranks amongst the greats ever to put on the Black & Gold, I said it was a blessing in disguise that he was no longer a starter.

For years, the critics have brought the hammer down on Pittsburgh claiming they are too old and too slow and it's time for a change. Well, that change has come and these moves that are being made aren't nessasarily ground breaking.

Farrior is 37 years old and his ability as a Mike inside linebacker has horrificly fell off its coarse, especially in his pass coverage duties. It was a total nightmare watching him try to cover Vernon Davis on a crossing route and multiple other pass covering whereabouts that Monday Night game in San Fran.

Hines Ward started the season as #2 and ended up as #5 at the depth chart by seasons end. Speed demons like Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and younger-veteran guys like Jericho Cotchery (who's in talks for a long term deal with Pittsburgh) fit more solidly into the Steelers offense.

Other than that, Farrior (37) Ward (36) Aaron Smith (retiring) are the right moves to put in place for the Steelers franchise. We are losing legends but at the same time, not losing anything at all. Tons of players have even restructured (Roethlisberger, Woodley, Timmons, Taylor, Colon) to help us out in signing stud Mike Wallace (even though he may be a goner in the end.)

Point is, the Steelers still have their core of veteran leadership (Roethlisberger, Clark, Keisel, Woodley, Harrison, Polamalu, Taylor, Miller) and have a bunch of young guys ready for the spotlight (Mendenhall, Redman, Pouncey, Brown, Sanders, Keenan Lewis, Ziggy Hood, Cameron Heyward, etc.)

No disgrace at ALL. In fact, it's what is expected from one of the best ran franchise's in the game. New England did the SAME exact thing then went onto win 13-14 win seasons. For the Steelers sake, they still have the #1 defense and the key components that go into that.

Also, Baltimore did the SAME exact thing last season in getting rid of their veterans and getting younger (Heap, Mason, McGahee, etc.) AR can vouch for that and it worked out for them.

Looking at the Steelers opponents early for next season, they look to have a brutal schedule. I have them at 10-6 pre-draft.



Will be very interesting to see how they fare next season.That division is just getting better and better.You have the Ravens who always compete plus the Bengals who made the postseason with rookie QB Andy Dalton.Steelers have Chargers,Jets,Eagles,Cowboys,Defending NFL Champ Giants,Raiders and Titans among their opponents.The offseason addition of Haley at Offensive Coordinator was one i didn't see coming.Will be interesting to see how him and Big Ben mesh with the offense.I still think Pittsburgh can muster at least a 9-7 or 10-6 record.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:57 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:I think the Patriots system they run with Brady under the helm is flawless. Their problems don't really lye on wideout or any other position on offense other than RB in my opinion. The one thing over the years that the Pats didn't have other than the accusation of Corey Dillion years ago, was a solid run game. Their passing game is off the charts and a deep threat for Brady is overrated. They need a solid back that can balance them out.


I couldn't disagree more. The Patriots won a Super Bowl with Antwoin Smith as their running back. Not to mention, the Giants just won a Super Bowl with one of the worst rushing offenses (worse than the Patriots) in the entire NFL. A running game is only critical if your QB sucks! Drew Brees won a Super Bowl without much of a running game and so did Peyton Manning. Again, it's only critical if you don't have a guy under center who can actually throw the football. Even if the Patriots had Adrian Peterson, they would still throw the ball a whole lot more than they ever run it. Having a stud running back is the most overrated thing in the NFL. Ask the Jaguars, Titans, and Vikings how things worked out for them with what are considered "stud" NFL running backs.


I'm not saying the Patriots are a running back away from going to the Super Bowl. They are already a championship caliber team. As I said above, their passing game is off the charts and they managed to get to the Super Bowl without a deep threat the NFL is so fascinated with. The way I view things, even though Brees or Manning didn't win without much of a running game (Dominick Rhodes had a HUGE game in Super Bowl XLI, rushing or over 113 yards on a tough Bears defense and scoring a touchdown) the Saints still had one in place to fall back on with Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush and teams had to respect that. Even Eli in XLVI had Bradshaw back with Jacobs and that allowed him to play more off of play action because they fed them. Keeps the defense guessing. New England started running the ball better (out of the shotgun formation) but teams snuffed out their short game at times because of their lacking commitment to the run game. I think installing a solid back in NE's system would add another dimension in their offense. It would only make that passing game better if they had all phase's with a stud running back that could take some pressure off Brady and not having to be flawless to win. Plus, a little better ball control on the ground can keep a bad defense off of the field even longer since the Pats still have some work to do on that side of the ball.
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Postby mikemarrs » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:22 am

I looked at the Patriots schedule for next season and other than the Jets,Texans,49ers,Ravens and maybe the Bills they have a lot of opponents like the Rams,Seahawks,Colts,Dolphins,Cardinals and Jaguars that they should not have too much trouble with.

I see they have the Broncos on the slate and i just don't see Denver going far with Tebow again.They also face the Titans in Tennessee so i could see that one going either way.If you ask me i don't think the Patriots will skip a beat and they will be right back in the hunt once again for the AFC.I could easily see them going 12-4 or better all over again.

They will most likely win the AFC east again although other teams like the Jets could quite possibly give them a run for the division.Hard to really tell about the Bills or even the Dolphins at this point.

I could definitely see them trying to get Brady another dangerous target in the passing game.There have been rumblings about Brandon Lloyd following Mcdaniels from St. Louis to New England so that might or might not happen.All things considered i definitely think the Patriots will be going far once again next year.
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Postby mikemarrs » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:32 am

It’s widely expected that the Jets are hoping to add a backup quarterback who can provide Mark Sanchez with a little push and/or be a viable alternative if Sanchez underachieves next season.

So far, the name that has come up most often for that role has been Chad Henne. Henne’s experience with new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, his lack of a role in Miami and the remote chance that he’ll get a starting place anywhere else make him an obvious choice for the team.

He’s not the only one, though. Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com reports that the team has had discussions about pursuing Jason Campbell as a free agent. Campbell is likely to leave the Raiders after leading them to a 4-2 record as a starter before his season-ending collarbone injury. He’s had a bit more success as a starter than Henne over the course of his career, although not quite enough that he can hope to get more than a shot at a starting job with a new team.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:33 am

mikemarrs wrote:I looked at the Patriots schedule for next season and other than the Jets,Texans,49ers,Ravens and maybe the Bills they have a lot of opponents like the Rams,Seahawks,Colts,Dolphins,Cardinals and Jaguars that they should not have too much trouble with.

I see they have the Broncos on the slate and i just don't see Denver going far with Tebow again.They also face the Titans in Tennessee so i could see that one going either way.If you ask me i don't think the Patriots will skip a beat and they will be right back in the hunt once again for the AFC.I could easily see them going 12-4 or better all over again.

They will most likely win the AFC east again although other teams like the Jets could quite possibly give them a run for the division.Hard to really tell about the Bills or even the Dolphins at this point.

I could definitely see them trying to get Brady another dangerous target in the passing game.There have been rumblings about Brandon Lloyd following Mcdaniels from St. Louis to New England so that might or might not happen.All things considered i definitely think the Patriots will be going far once again next year.


Brandon Lloyd would be like another David Patten to Brady. He'd be a nice fit. Also, I thought I saw somewhere that the team plans to restructure Chad Johnson's contract. Interesting since he caught like, 2 balls all year and had many miscue's on potential touchdowns but if the Pats sign a big FA wideout, which they can (like Mike Wallace-GAG :x ) then Johnson would obviously be a camp-body cut. The Pats will probably go after Lloyd, Bowe, or Wallace. Scary.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:18 pm

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mikemarrs wrote:I looked at the Patriots schedule for next season and other than the Jets,Texans,49ers,Ravens and maybe the Bills they have a lot of opponents like the Rams,Seahawks,Colts,Dolphins,Cardinals and Jaguars that they should not have too much trouble with.

I see they have the Broncos on the slate and i just don't see Denver going far with Tebow again.They also face the Titans in Tennessee so i could see that one going either way.If you ask me i don't think the Patriots will skip a beat and they will be right back in the hunt once again for the AFC.I could easily see them going 12-4 or better all over again.

They will most likely win the AFC east again although other teams like the Jets could quite possibly give them a run for the division.Hard to really tell about the Bills or even the Dolphins at this point.

I could definitely see them trying to get Brady another dangerous target in the passing game.There have been rumblings about Brandon Lloyd following Mcdaniels from St. Louis to New England so that might or might not happen.All things considered i definitely think the Patriots will be going far once again next year.


Brandon Lloyd would be like another David Patten to Brady. He'd be a nice fit. Also, I thought I saw somewhere that the team plans to restructure Chad Johnson's contract. Interesting since he caught like, 2 balls all year and had many miscue's on potential touchdowns but if the Pats sign a big FA wideout, which they can (like Mike Wallace-GAG :x ) then Johnson would obviously be a camp-body cut. The Pats will probably go after Lloyd, Bowe, or Wallace. Scary.



Your right damn the Pats would be downright scary with Wallace but i'm wondering if the Pats would give up a first rounder.I think the Pats are definitely thinking about it no doubt.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:28 pm

FOX 8 New Orleans is now reporting that the Saints will work out Randy Moss “very soon.”

According to FOX Sports’ Jay Glazer, the workout will take place on Tuesday. Former Packers quarterback Brian Brohm will reportedly throw Moss passes during the workout.

It was reported last September that the Saints hosted Moss for a team facility visit just after the club’s season-opening loss to Green Bay. While the Saints disputed the story and denied interest at the time, the writing on the wall suggests their affinity for Moss is not new.

The Saints are now in danger of losing Colston and Robert Meachem in free agency. The fact that New Orleans is giving Moss a “workout” as opposed to a routine free agent visit indicates they’ll ask him to prove his alleged 4.3 speed.
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Postby mikemarrs » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:15 am

Lots of rumors swirling that QB Matt Flynn could end up down in Miami.Also hearing that the Rams are willing to trade the number two pick which was will most likely be used on QB Griffin.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:05 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:I looked at the Patriots schedule for next season and other than the Jets,Texans,49ers,Ravens and maybe the Bills they have a lot of opponents like the Rams,Seahawks,Colts,Dolphins,Cardinals and Jaguars that they should not have too much trouble with.

I see they have the Broncos on the slate and i just don't see Denver going far with Tebow again.They also face the Titans in Tennessee so i could see that one going either way.If you ask me i don't think the Patriots will skip a beat and they will be right back in the hunt once again for the AFC.I could easily see them going 12-4 or better all over again.

They will most likely win the AFC east again although other teams like the Jets could quite possibly give them a run for the division.Hard to really tell about the Bills or even the Dolphins at this point.

I could definitely see them trying to get Brady another dangerous target in the passing game.There have been rumblings about Brandon Lloyd following Mcdaniels from St. Louis to New England so that might or might not happen.All things considered i definitely think the Patriots will be going far once again next year.


Brandon Lloyd would be like another David Patten to Brady. He'd be a nice fit. Also, I thought I saw somewhere that the team plans to restructure Chad Johnson's contract. Interesting since he caught like, 2 balls all year and had many miscue's on potential touchdowns but if the Pats sign a big FA wideout, which they can (like Mike Wallace-GAG :x ) then Johnson would obviously be a camp-body cut. The Pats will probably go after Lloyd, Bowe, or Wallace. Scary.



Your right damn the Pats would be downright scary with Wallace but i'm wondering if the Pats would give up a first rounder.I think the Pats are definitely thinking about it no doubt.


Well, the thing is, the Pats are in OUTSTANDING shape and have a couple first round draft picks in this years draft (in the new CBA rules, teams only give up just a #1 draft pick now. It use to be a #1 AND a #3 so, that situation is even worse for the Steelers with value if they lose Wallace.)

The Steelers would get NE's original pick though if the Pats sign Wallace and that's the #31 pick. Steelers pick #24 so with the Pats with 2 first round picks, they could afford to give up that #31 and still have a solid need with their other choice in the first round. The Steelers on the other hand, wouldn't get good value at #31, the end of the first round draft board so N.E could have a huge day with multiple draft picks even acquiring Wallace.
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