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Postby TRAGChick » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:39 am

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/toddle ... 00037.html

Is Flying Still Kid-friendly?

Is a 2-year-old girl really a flight risk?
Of course not, unless she's having a temper tantrum.

Colette Vieau and her family were heading home from vacation, when their toddler had a code red melt-down after boarding the plane. Refusing to stay seated and buckled up, and possibly agitating her 3-year-old sister, Vieau's youngest daughter, Natalie, became public enemy number one as the plane crew waited for take off.

"We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on. And I said, 'We have them seated. Can we go now?" Colette, a pediatrician, told Rhode Island's NBC 10. "[The flight attendant] said the pilot's made a decision to turn the plane around."

Things got worse from there, according to the New England-based mom. The plane turned around on the tarmac and promptly booted the family of four from the flight.

A representative for JetBlue backed the pilot's decision, stating the flight had "customers that did not comply with crew-member instructions for a prolonged time period. The captain elected to remove the customers involved for the safety of all customers and crew-members on board."

Scrambling to find four seats on another Turks and Caicos flight bound for Boston, the Vieau family were forced to spent $2000 on overnight accommodations. Needless to say, their vacation ended on a bad note, but rules are rules.

Federal aviation regulations require all passengers over 2-years-old to be buckled up in their seats, seated upright, with cell phones turned off before take-off. With passenger safety and airline security under more scrutiny than ever, nobody is an exception. Not a 2-year-old, not a 102-year-old. Not even Alec Baldwin.

"I don't know that I could blame JetBlue, to be totally fair," Colette told the local news affiliate. "I just feel like it's airplane travel today in general."

While celebrities and kids alike are subjected to the same federal aviation rules, moms and dads are baring the brunt of the backlash.

:arrow: Between heightened, kid-startling TSA security, and a growing screaming baby-phobia amongst passengers, parents are in the crosshairs. If kids are more revved up and anxious by the time they get on a flight, childless passengers are less tolerant and more ticked-off. In 2010, a mom claimed her son was assaulted by a passenger because he wouldn't stop kicking the seat in front of him. In 2011, a Virgin Atlantic flight attendant stuck a 1-year old in an overhead storage compartment as a bizarre joke that other passengers found hysterical. The parents weren't laughing.

Airlines, meanwhile, have their own desperate financial and security concerns that don't factor in the unique needs of two-year olds. In 2009, a mom and her 2-year-old son were reportedly removed from a Southwest Airlines flight after the child's relentless screams for the plane to take off became unbearable. Earlier this year, a family of six complained of being kicked off a flight for having too many kids. And last year, babies were banned outright from some first class flights on Malaysia Airlines.

Gone are the days of the Pan Am pins and cockpit visits, and that's just fine. But are the days of kid-friendly skies gone with them?
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Postby Peartree12249 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:44 am

That works for me! :twisted:
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Postby Jubilee » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:06 am

Yup. Totally on board with this one. "Kid-friendly skies"? WTF. What ever happened to sit down, and shut up?!?! :?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:30 am

lol ...I feel sorry for them, but I LOVE this.
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Postby Archetype » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:02 am

$2000 for overnight accommodations? No one forced them to stay at the fucking Burj Al-Arab. So they weren't "forced" to spend $2000 for one night
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:18 am

Archetype wrote:$2000 for overnight accommodations? No one forced them to stay at the fucking Burj Al-Arab. So they weren't "forced" to spend $2000 for one night


Maybe they got kicked out of all the other hotels as well! LOL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I hate when a kid is kicking the heck out of the back of your seat and the parent does nothing, even after you ask them politely. :evil: I have back trouble and that sends my pain level over the top! I can see where some people get enough of children who are allowed to do whatever they want. I deal with children all the time and there is always the parents who excuse away bad behavior all day long.

I equally hate to be in a restaurant where parents let their toddlers run all over creation and pay no mind when they start to bother others. Parents if you don't want to keep an eye on or control your child...go to McDonald's or better yet eat at home!

I am sure if it was so bad they were booted off the plane the other passengers were quite happy to see them go. Plane flight is too expensive to pay to be tortured by a child that isn't even yours.
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Postby Rick » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:54 am

There were no tantrums out of my kid(s). I had a step-daughter in a previous marriage. When I say there were no tantrums, it doesn't mean they wouldn't get mad and cry, but when they were told to sit down and shut up, that's what happened. I had no problem heating up a backside.
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Postby Maui Tom » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:11 am

Rick wrote: I had no problem heating up a backside.


always figured you as a bottom pRick.....:)
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:51 pm

artist4perry wrote:I hate when a kid is kicking the heck out of the back of your seat and the parent does nothing, even after you ask them politely. :evil: I have back trouble and that sends my pain level over the top!


I do too... I've had lower back trouble for awhile now and it's since been worsened after a bad lumbar strain some time back. One time I had a kid kicking the living hell out of my seat so bad that it was shaking all the seats in the row. We turned around and asked the parent (or guardian, whoever it was) to do something about it - and yes we were nice about it. Her reaction? Got mad at US and snapped "OH COME ON, HE'S JUST A LITTLE BOY!!" This was long before I reached the point of not caring if I pissed of some rude woman on a plane or else I SHOULD have got a flight attendant and said "either more them, or move us!"

Sometime after, same thing was happening on a flight, this time a little girl. Not only kicking, but she was jamming her foot through the space between the seat and the seat-back and stuffing her grubby little foot right into my can. I know better by this point not to bother with parents who aren't going to do anything about it, so I took care of the matter myself. :twisted: :twisted: Let's just say the kid stopped pretty quickly. :lol:
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Postby SunshineTwilight » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:04 pm

Some entrepreneur needs to start an airline dedicated just for parents with child passengers under the age of 5! I was on an overnight flight from the US to the UK last October for Firefest and was sandwiched between a screaming infant in the seat in front of me and a whiney toddler in the seat behind me. They both cried and whined most of the 6 hour flight. I was fit to be tied when we landed!!! :x :shock:
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Postby artist4perry » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:08 pm

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artist4perry wrote:I hate when a kid is kicking the heck out of the back of your seat and the parent does nothing, even after you ask them politely. :evil: I have back trouble and that sends my pain level over the top!


I do too... I've had lower back trouble for awhile now and it's since been worsened after a bad lumbar strain some time back. One time I had a kid kicking the living hell out of my seat so bad that it was shaking all the seats in the row. We turned around and asked the parent (or guardian, whoever it was) to do something about it - and yes we were nice about it. Her reaction? Got mad at US and snapped "OH COME ON, HE'S JUST A LITTLE BOY!!" This was long before I reached the point of not caring if I pissed of some rude woman on a plane or else I SHOULD have got a flight attendant and said "either more them, or move us!"

Sometime after, same thing was happening on a flight, this time a little girl. Not only kicking, but she was jamming her foot through the space between the seat and the seat-back and stuffing her grubby little foot right into my can. I know better by this point not to bother with parents who aren't going to do anything about it, so I took care of the matter myself. :twisted: :twisted: Let's just say the kid stopped pretty quickly. :lol:


Too bad you couldn't get the stewardess to make them trade seats with you...then you could proceed to kick the crap out of mom's back and give her a reason to understand why you were upset...not to mention the endless fun you would have getting revenge. And she could not say a darned thing...after all...it was no big deal when PRECIOUS did it. :twisted: :twisted: I think that should be the solution in such a case. The people who are suffering being kicked should be able to get behind the kickers and give them a little of their own medicine.
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Postby Deb » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:20 pm

Maui Tom wrote:
Rick wrote: I had no problem heating up a backside.


always figured you as a bottom pRick.....:)


zing :lol:
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Postby brywool » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:31 am

Definitely, Jet Blue did the right thing. So the whole plane is supposed to suffer because one family's kid is shrieking the whole time? I don't think so.

The "Oh come on he's just a little boy" thing- The PARENTS are the ones to blame there for not watching AND USING IT AS A TEACHING OPPORTUNITY for their spawn.

They should put everyone to sleep on an airplane. As soon as it takes off, the cabin fills with sleeping gas and everybody takes a nap. No meals. No terrorists. No kids crying. Just everybody takes a nap.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:41 am

Archetype wrote:$2000 for overnight accommodations? No one forced them to stay at the fucking Burj Al-Arab. So they weren't "forced" to spend $2000 for one night


Another version of this story I read said that the $2000 included what they had to pay to book another flight, which is definitely expensive.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:52 am

brywool wrote:Definitely, Jet Blue did the right thing. So the whole plane is supposed to suffer because one family's kid is shrieking the whole time? I don't think so.

The "Oh come on he's just a little boy" thing- The PARENTS are the ones to blame there for not watching AND USING IT AS A TEACHING OPPORTUNITY for their spawn.


It isn't necessarily the parents' fault, either. Sometimes kids act up for whatever reason and you can't control what comes out of their mouths. Do you expect them to duct tape the kid's mouth shut or superglue his lips together? Speaking as a parent of a special needs child, you just don't have the right to judge them in this case because you don't have all the info.

I remember dropping my daughter off at a church event a couple of years ago and another mother was having some real problems with her little boy. He was special needs, something you couldn't really tell just by looking at him, and he was screaming bloody murder the whole time. In the past, I would've judged her and thought to myself "If only that mother would just make that kid shut up!" but I felt really sorry for her then and it still kinda makes me sad to this day. There's no telling what that lady has gone through.

They should put everyone to sleep on an airplane. As soon as it takes off, the cabin fills with sleeping gas and everybody takes a nap. No meals. No terrorists. No kids crying. Just everybody takes a nap.


Sounds good to me...That's about what they'd need to do to me to even get me on an airplane right now in the first place. I've developed a bit of claustrophobia over the last year or so and wouldn't fly anywhere right now even if you paid me. :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:14 am

conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:Definitely, Jet Blue did the right thing. So the whole plane is supposed to suffer because one family's kid is shrieking the whole time? I don't think so.

The "Oh come on he's just a little boy" thing- The PARENTS are the ones to blame there for not watching AND USING IT AS A TEACHING OPPORTUNITY for their spawn.


It isn't necessarily the parents' fault, either. Sometimes kids act up for whatever reason and you can't control what comes out of their mouths. Do you expect them to duct tape the kid's mouth shut or superglue his lips together? Speaking as a parent of a special needs child, you just don't have the right to judge them in this case because you don't have all the info.

I remember dropping my daughter off at a church event a couple of years ago and another mother was having some real problems with her little boy. He was special needs, something you couldn't really tell just by looking at him, and he was screaming bloody murder the whole time. In the past, I would've judged her and thought to myself "If only that mother would just make that kid shut up!" but I felt really sorry for her then and it still kinda makes me sad to this day. There's no telling what that lady has gone through.

They should put everyone to sleep on an airplane. As soon as it takes off, the cabin fills with sleeping gas and everybody takes a nap. No meals. No terrorists. No kids crying. Just everybody takes a nap.


Sounds good to me...That's about what they'd need to do to me to even get me on an airplane right now in the first place. I've developed a bit of claustrophobia over the last year or so and wouldn't fly anywhere right now even if you paid me. :lol:


I think in a special needs case the parents need to let the stewardess know what is going on...maybe move them where they won't be able to disturb others so much? That is a different case all together. But if it was a case like that I am sure it would have come to light. Sounds like the child lost it. Maybe flying isn't his bag and it is too stressful for him to do. Some kids get really scared. I would hope another type of transportation might have been considered instead. :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:50 am

Peartree12249 wrote:That works for me! :twisted:


Yup. With parenting comes responsibility. I've had mothers come into our work establishment with 3 or 4 kids just trashing everything in sight. I said something one time and the mother just gave me a blank stare. Also noticed she had another bun in the oven, but yet refused to control the ones she's already got. :shock:
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Postby Rick » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:49 am

steveo777 wrote:
Peartree12249 wrote:That works for me! :twisted:


Yup. With parenting comes responsibility. I've had mothers come into our work establishment with 3 or 4 kids just trashing everything in sight. I said something one time and the mother just gave me a blank stare. Also noticed she had another bun in the oven, but yet refused to control the ones she's already got. :shock:


When we get a plane from, say, Orlando, you know you better bring the "Hokey" (Believe it or not, these things, once you learn how to use them correctly, work great.) because there will be a row or two where a whole box of Cheezits or those cheese fish are emptied on the floor and a lot of times crunched into the carpet with feet. I used Orlando as my example because they are kid heavy flights.

Why parents let that happen is beyond me. It's my thinking that if a parent allows that to happen, they may as well have done it themselves. It's not that I mind doing my job, it's that the supervisor is standing at the front of the plane, looking at his watch and tapping his toe for us to hurry up, and these types of clean up jobs take time. Time we scarcely have.

I complain to my co-worker about it and her attitude is that parents allow that to happen, or allow a kid to destroy a magazine and trash the area, just to keep the kid occupied and happy. I call it bad parenting. This is a perfect time to teach your young child how to behave acceptably in public.

I know the "heating of the backside" statement and the "teaching your young child how to behave acceptably" statement make me sound like a hard ass parent, but I'm not. I'm all for having a great time, I'm just not going to let that great time be a burden on someone else.
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Postby Jeremey » Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:50 pm

As someone with a 2 year old and a 4 year old, I can say there's just times when kids are going to be kids and cry and act up...And you can't whip out the open handed bottom swat or have a parental meltdown in public either, but I make it very clear to my kids to get it together immediately, or they are removed from the situation and dealt with. Now on the flip side of that I will say that there ARE times when adults act like complete douches around my kids...if we are at a family restaurant and my kids are laughing or talking loudly and having fun, and an adult sighs loudly or shoots a look, they're gonna get a hard stare from me. My philosophy is, hey - If you want to save enough money to go to a restaurant that DOESN'T feature a kid's menu or "kids eat free" night or whatever the reason I have my kids there, be my guest. But if you're going to go to a family restaurant and act like an asshole because I brought my family, well, YOU are the one with the problem. And parents that bring their kids to "adult" restaurants or situations are just as bad.
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