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Postby artist4perry » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:26 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
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AR wrote:The site of those walkers over running the farm was epic!


I couldn't help but notice how Hershel kept pumping off one shotgun blast after another without ever needing to reload. We are so past that point of human gullibility, it should never be attempted on cinema again. Nor the fact that none of these characters EVER misses a head-shot. Not one single wasted bullet ever.

Hershel in particular annoys me, just about as bad as Dale did. He's an incredibly spot-on personality type, but that doesn't mean I have to like him. He's a guy who uses religious belief to justify his own deep-seated contempt for people who don't meet his personal standard (which is a standard he personally fails to meet). In other words, somewhere deep inside he resents himself, but he remains in denial and judges others instead to avoid judging himself.

I can't wait until he gets his jaw blown off.


Rip, you seem to have some pent up anger and aggression. Would you like to talk about it? Damn buddy! :shock: :lol:


Come on Rip, I know you don't hate religious folks in general... You put up with Daniel and I! LOL! People are people. Christian or not we don't always do or say what we should. Show me a flawless atheist. :wink: They show him as a human trying to make sense out of insanity. Would shake anyone's faith to the core. He lost his wife, his daughter, his farm, ... I imagine he is feeling somewhat like Job right now. I think his view of others are changing.

But isn't that like most people? Don't we all get some kind of idea of what kind of people are good or bad? I have seen that in atheists and Christians alike. We have people we would see and judge based mostly on how they look...who they are. I have learned through out my life that judging a book by its cover is a fallacy. Sometimes a tough biker chick, is just the lady who would save your neck in an emergency situation.

Hershel is going through a Metamorphosis, and they are showing us his change, from rigid its my way or the highway, to knowing as humans we cannot know everything, and we cannot control our environment and lives like we would like.

His previous ideas were out of love for his family, and trying to protect them from marauders. Truth be told how do you know if a person coming to you is kind or would slit your throat?

Was he wrong on his perspective? Sure. But they were not in normal circumstances were they? The world as they knew had gone insane. I think his character is there to show us sometimes our preconceived notions about others can be wrong.
Honestly if they never brought in the Christian element, what would be your take on him? I think he is showing how these things shake us to the core, and all beliefs in humanity, civility, and faith can be tested to the limits.

I think it is thought provoking at least. Hershel plays a part that adds a dynamic that would be there in a crisis. I think the writers are covering all types of personalities.

Anyway I am curious how this all will play out. There is still the one armed racist brother that has not been accounted for. :wink:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:46 am

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Rip Rokken wrote:When have you ever heard of any chic wielding a samurai sword?!?!??!

When have you NOT, considering Hong Kong cinema and Japanese cinema broke through to the West via home video in the '80s/'90s! :lol:


artist4perry wrote:Mulan. 8)


I was totally expecting "Kill Bill" to be the first response.

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Speaking of samurai, someone suggested 12 Assassins to me recently. I've only watched about 15 minutes so far, but hope to finish it soon.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:55 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:Hershel in particular annoys me, just about as bad as Dale did. He's an incredibly spot-on personality type, but that doesn't mean I have to like him. He's a guy who uses religious belief to justify his own deep-seated contempt for people who don't meet his personal standard (which is a standard he personally fails to meet). In other words, somewhere deep inside he resents himself, but he remains in denial and judges others instead to avoid judging himself.

I can't wait until he gets his jaw blown off.


Rip, you seem to have some pent up anger and aggression. Would you like to talk about it? Damn buddy! :shock: :lol:


No, not at all, but I was pretty loaded last night. I need to create a new Dokken-head smiley to use specifically for comments made outside of normal mental parameters.

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artist4perry wrote:Come on Rip, I know you don't hate religious folks in general... You put up with Daniel and I! LOL! People are people. Christian or not we don't always do or say what we should. Show me a flawless atheist. :wink: They show him as a human trying to make sense out of insanity. Would shake anyone's faith to the core. He lost his wife, his daughter, his farm, ... I imagine he is feeling somewhat like Job right now. I think his view of others are changing.

But isn't that like most people? Don't we all get some kind of idea of what kind of people are good or bad? I have seen that in atheists and Christians alike. We have people we would see and judge based mostly on how they look...who they are. I have learned through out my life that judging a book by its cover is a fallacy. Sometimes a tough biker chick, is just the lady who would save your neck in an emergency situation.

Hershel is going through a Metamorphosis, and they are showing us his change, from rigid its my way or the highway, to knowing as humans we cannot know everything, and we cannot control our environment and lives like we would like.

His previous ideas were out of love for his family, and trying to protect them from marauders. Truth be told how do you know if a person coming to you is kind or would slit your throat?

Was he wrong on his perspective? Sure. But they were not in normal circumstances were they? The world as they knew had gone insane. I think his character is there to show us sometimes our preconceived notions about others can be wrong.
Honestly if they never brought in the Christian element, what would be your take on him? I think he is showing how these things shake us to the core, and all beliefs in humanity, civility, and faith can be tested to the limits.

I think it is thought provoking at least. Hershel plays a part that adds a dynamic that would be there in a crisis. I think the writers are covering all types of personalities.

Anyway I am curious how this all will play out. There is still the one armed racist brother that has not been accounted for. :wink:


You and Dan are real people - neither judgmental nor self-righteous. I love both of you.

Hershel is a very well-written character -- I give the show credit for that. I think he's designed to be thought-provoking, and maybe even polarizing. And yes, he does seem to be going thru a change in rethinking a few things. I see that a lot in TV these days. I also watch Justified, and after a really intense jailhouse conversion, Boyd Crowder also came to a place where he wondered if he was just talking to the sky. I predict we'll be seeing more and more elements of deconversion from religion explored on TV in the future.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:07 am

Hershel was supposed to be killed off... the writers changed their minds the last minute. He's not my favorite, but at least he's a doctor. To me he has a purpose. I'd like to see Laurie go...can't stand her!!! :lol:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:58 am

You're right - he's not all bad, and has his purpose. I think he does mean well. Who was the guy who got eaten in the Winnebago? I didn't recognize him.
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Postby Rocker Chic » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:00 am

Rip Rokken wrote:You're right - he's not all bad, and has his purpose. I think he does mean well. Who was the guy who got eaten in the Winnebago? I didn't recognize him.


That was Jimmy. Part of Hershel's clan, I think he was the younger daughter's boyfriend or something.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:26 am

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Rip Rokken wrote:You're right - he's not all bad, and has his purpose. I think he does mean well. Who was the guy who got eaten in the Winnebago? I didn't recognize him.


That was Jimmy. Part of Hershel's clan, I think he was the younger daughter's boyfriend or something.


He didn't put up much of a fight.
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Postby artist4perry » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:41 pm

Rip Rokken wrote:
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Rip Rokken wrote:You're right - he's not all bad, and has his purpose. I think he does mean well. Who was the guy who got eaten in the Winnebago? I didn't recognize him.


That was Jimmy. Part of Hershel's clan, I think he was the younger daughter's boyfriend or something.


He didn't put up much of a fight.


He was kind of a boring character with no dynamic...fodder for the cutting floor! LOL!

Hershel I don't think will lose faith completely, but will re-think hardened stances he took about others. I think in the case of not killing the walkers his mind was seeded in his not wanting to accept that his loved ones were truly dead. By keeping them in the barn and feeding them the chickens he did not have to face their loss. He could turn a blind eye to what was going on if he thought of it all as just an illness that people would someday find a cure and recover from.

I noticed in the last episode he turned his respect and position of authority over to Rick. I think he saw Rick as an honorable man. I wonder if Rick's wife rejecting him will cause him to take a plunge into the abyss of insanity.

I thought she's a piece of work. She basically sicked Rick on Shane by saying he needed to be "dealt" with, he was "dangerous". I wonder if she now is trying to martyr Shane because she realizes part of all that was her own doing. She made Shane believe she still cared for him in the previous episode. She made him wonder if her child was his. So when he explained to her that Shane had killed that one guy and lured him into the woods so he could kill Rick, she acted appalled. What? This creep was saved from zombies eating him before by Rick and then takes him into the woods to kill him and she is mad at Rick? Shane would have killed him if he had not done what he had done. The gun went off just as he had stabbed him. That woman is crazy, and plays the part well. She is the one that irritates the crap out of me.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:56 pm

When the Bible talks about the dead rising from their graves and walking the streets after the resurrection (as well as the future resurrection of the dead), now I have a better interpretation of what that will be like thanks to Hershel, lol.

Rick's wife's change in the last episodes bothers me too, but I have a soft spot for Sarah Wayne Callies. Actually have a photo of her on my office wall signed by the lead actor in an earlier show she was in.

Ok, here is a question... what happens if the walkers DON'T eat? Can they be starved to death? I've seen no evidence of that so far - the walker in the well at the farm is one example.
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Postby artist4perry » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:44 am

Rip Rokken wrote:When the Bible talks about the dead rising from their graves and walking the streets after the resurrection (as well as the future resurrection of the dead), now I have a better interpretation of what that will be like thanks to Hershel, lol.

Rick's wife's change in the last episodes bothers me too, but I have a soft spot for Sarah Wayne Callies. Actually have a photo of her on my office wall signed by the lead actor in an earlier show she was in.

Ok, here is a question... what happens if the walkers DON'T eat? Can they be starved to death? I've seen no evidence of that so far - the walker in the well at the farm is one example.


I think they eat out of auto pilot instead of need. :shock:
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Postby verslibre » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:18 am

Rip Rokken wrote:Ok, here is a question... what happens if the walkers DON'T eat? Can they be starved to death? I've seen no evidence of that so far - the walker in the well at the farm is one example.


Rip, is this a serious question? :lol:

If you've seen Night*/Dawn/Day Of The [*Living] Dead, Resident Evil, Lucio Fulci's Zombie movies, and other flicks within the genre, you'd know the answer to that question! :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:54 am

Rip, thought you would like some guidelines:

How to survive a zombie attack:

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The ultimate zombie survival guide

http://youtu.be/7EbeqPynF2s
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:32 am

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Rip Rokken wrote:Ok, here is a question... what happens if the walkers DON'T eat? Can they be starved to death? I've seen no evidence of that so far - the walker in the well at the farm is one example.


Rip, is this a serious question? :lol:

If you've seen Night*/Dawn/Day Of The [*Living] Dead, Resident Evil, Lucio Fulci's Zombie movies, and other flicks within the genre, you'd know the answer to that question! :lol:


Yes, serious question - I've seen none of those films. Both the 28 Days flicks, though.
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Postby verslibre » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:50 am

If something is dead, it cannot starve. Zombies eventually rot away.

28 Days/Weeks Later weren't "zombie" movies.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:32 am

verslibre wrote:If something is dead, it cannot starve. Zombies eventually rot away.

28 Days/Weeks Later weren't "zombie" movies.


But the virus is alive... I guess it sustains itself on the flesh of the host, so all the eating others is just pointless?
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:21 pm

I can't read too much of this thread, I only just finished season one on Netflix tonight.

Now I'm hooked and other than downloading the episodes from iTunes (which I'm not going to do) I can't see season two until it either comes out on dvd/Netflix or if AMC runs through the episodes again before October. Kind of bummed out, I really want to keep watching now that I am reeled in!!
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TWD Season Finale Draws 9M Viewers

Postby verslibre » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:53 pm

The Walking Dead Season Finale Sets Ratings Record

The records continue to fall in the wake of AMC and Robert Kirkman's zombie hit The Walking Dead. The network has just announced that in addition to several of the show's characters, last night's season finale killed the ratings record for cable television, drawing in 9 million viewers.

The episode, which featured a massive herd of walkers, a number of bloody deaths, a new attitude for Rick Grimes and the deadly debut of the sword-wielding Michonne, was the highest-rated of the show to date. The midseason premiere set the previous record with 8.1 million viewers.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, last night's show saw 6 million 18-49 year olds tune in, and 3.2 million in the 18-34 demographics. Overall, the finale saw its numbers jump by over two million viewers from last week's episode, when 6.9 people tuned in to watch the final showdown between Rick and Shane.

The Walking Dead returns to AMC this fall with a 16-episode third season.

AMC announced in January that the third season of the series, topped by showrunner Glen Mazzara, will expand to 16 episodes. Season 3 of The Walking Dead will begin in October.

Some ratings highlights from the series:

• Season 2 finale, 3/18/12: 9 million total viewers, 6 million in 18-49, 5.3 million in 25-54

• Season 2 midseason premiere, 2/12/12: 8.1 million total, 5.4 million* in 18-49, 4.4 million* in 25-54

• Season 2 premiere, 10/17/11: 7.3 million total, 4.8 million* in 18-49, 4.2 million* in 25-54

• Season 2 midseason finale, 11/27/11: 6.6 million total, 4.5 million in 18-49, 3.9 million in 25-54

• Season 1 finale, 12/5/10: 6 million total, 4 million in 18-49, 3.5 million in 25-54

• Season 1 premiere, 10/31/10: 5.4 million total viewers, 2.7 million in 18-49

* Record at the time


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-season-2-finale-ratings-301516

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Postby verslibre » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:54 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:I can't read too much of this thread, I only just finished season one on Netflix tonight.


DO NOT READ THE POST ABOVE THIS ONE.

REALLY. :lol:
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