Neal Schon lied to me about tapegate

[stevew2]

I still want to hear the show where Augeri bailed after a few songs and DC filled in.

And I don't want anyone to celebrate SA's departure, or Journey's adhoc transition. I just think that it's a defining moment in Journey history. What show was it, and does anything, audio or video, exist?


later~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pdgctX2l0

Painful.

I was kind of rooting for Augeri after hearing Arrival, but I knew there were problems early on when I saw Journey clips in concert on the dumb show "blind date". I didn't go to the live shows so I never heard him live until then. Hearing a someone sing or play out of tune is like nails on a chalk board to me. SA wasn't even close, just awful. It was I think WGW. His own damn song. All said I have heard some live vids where he sounds good, but by late 2001, he was in trouble and had to of known it.

The best singing version of DSB live by someone other than SP is Jeremy's at some gig with JSS. They do a great version of JTSW with JSS doing Rollie's part. The rest of the band... No comment, these two kick ass.

I witnessed that first hand at DC vaders party in Va the night before Jeffs last performance with Journey{little did he know] it was majic.It was the best and the most authentic Journey sound from 1978 on that Journey could have ever done.I heard history that nite ,better than the Journey concerts I went afterwards.Jeff played bass and keyboards<he and Jermerey harmonized just like Rolie and Perry<it was kinda freaky< in a good way>What a good time that was !!! Ill never forget it. Ar had 2 bud lights in each hand all night<my hero,I ll never forget that night !! Thanks Jeff for coming out to Va that night,you didnt have to.

[bionic]

What was tragic was Europe finally got Journey to tour only to find out the shows were on tape,not to mention the look of misery on Jon and Neal's faces at so many of the shows..
Jeff came in at a difficult time and did some steller shows and then he was gone also...for me and so many others my love affair with Journey came to an end.
Arnel has done wonders for the band bless him but its a little to late, its all little more than a band peddling Perry's legacy as enjoyable as some of the shows have been.

[annie89509]

Things have been quiet in the Journey front for the most part lately.

[steveo777]

Things have been quiet in the Journey front for the most part lately.

It's about to get loud.

[annie89509]

Things have been quiet in the Journey front for the most part lately.

It's about to get loud.

What do you mean?

[koberry]

Same show. Jeff knocked this one out of the park every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

From what little I've heard, I really like JSS a lot. I'll admit to not having followed his career much outside of Soul Sirkus and the Believe in Me vid on Youtube (which I love). I keep meaning to check out WET as that's received rave reviews here.

This is a nice tribute type performance, but doesn't seem to me like his voice really fits with the back catalog. It'd have been fun to hear what came out of a collaboration with JSS, NS & JC. But it doesn't quite feel like it would be what I think of as Journey. YMMV, I know many loved the prospect of having him in the band. The fit didn't seem there to me.

[marco17]

With regards to any healing while the tapes are rolling... Wasn't a bigger issue that he was still singing live but into a dead mic in the event that there was an issue with the canned vocals? If that was the case, he's still singing each night, we just weren't hearing the live vocal, so I would think that he would never have gotten better because the wear and tear is continuing. Maybe he never would have been able to heal to an acceptable point for the band or himself, but that being said, at least some time to rest would have been advantageous, and a better plan been put into place.

[whirlwind]

With regards to any healing while the tapes are rolling... Wasn't a bigger issue that he was still singing live but into a dead mic in the event that there was an issue with the canned vocals? If that was the case, he's still singing each night, we just weren't hearing the live vocal, so I would think that he would never have gotten better because the wear and tear is continuing. Maybe he never would have been able to heal to an acceptable point for the band or himself, but that being said, at least some time to rest would have been advantageous, and a better plan been put into place.

Of coarse, that would have been the logical thing to do but Augeri probably figured that Journey would have filled his lead singer spot in a NY min. while he rested, which they indeed did. If Augeri had healed enough for a return to Journey, I wonder if they would have taken him back since tapegate was never an established fact and denied by the band. Listening to what Augeri sounds like today, it would have been a waste of time. The Journey Hits really did a number on him.

I will always feel that if the Journey guys had gone on with their solo projects and kept busy while Perry wanted out for as long as it took to stop the world and get off for a spell, they would be unbelievable today, touring at a more reasonable rate for the good of all involved. Even if the tour for TBF had progressed, Perry and Smith had been planning to perform at a much more reasonable timeline than before. He asked Jon to leave Journey alone and not fracture what they had, or else there would be no going back. They should have listened. They should have waited. His saying that there was no going back indicated that he hoped for a future for them. JMHO

[Eric]

They should have listened. They should have waited. His saying that there was no going back indicated that he hoped for a future for them. JMHO

They'd still be waiting. Perry has shown no signs of activity in 15 years and little activity in 26 years. Because they didn't wait we've got 5 more albums and a dozen or so tours.

[whirlwind]

They should have listened. They should have waited. His saying that there was no going back indicated that he hoped for a future for them. JMHO

They'd still be waiting. Perry has shown no signs of activity in 15 years and little activity in 26 years. Because they didn't wait we've got 5 more albums and a dozen or so tours.

Right! No activity with Journey and Perry, just as he stated. The new albums are all but forgettable and the tours are solely based on the Perry years. They exist on what he contributed. Their lead singers were/are Perry wannabes. You could say that he was still vicariously with them without presiding. He has done more these past ten years for the Journey songs that are relevant then all the new albums combined. You think that the tours and new albums are keeping them relevant? Wrong! Its the publicity of Perry working with sound tracks for movies, appearing at sports events and remastering the classics that have magnetized the people, old and young alike, into appreciating the magic of what was Journey al over again. If anyone has breathed new life into Journey, It has been Perry. He has been busy. You could say that he works the crowd.

[Michigan Girl]

They should have listened. They should have waited. His saying that there was no going back indicated that he hoped for a future for them. JMHO

They'd still be waiting. Perry has shown no signs of activity in 15 years and little activity in 26 years. Because they didn't wait we've got 5 more albums and a dozen or so tours.

Right! No activity with Journey and Perry, just as he stated. The new albums are all but forgettable and the tours are solely based on the Perry years. They exist on what he contributed. Their lead singers were/are Perry wannabes. You could say that he was still vicariously with them without presiding. He has done more these past ten years for the Journey songs that are relevant then all the new albums combined. You think that the tours and new albums are keeping them relevant? Wrong! Its the publicity of Perry working with sound tracks for movies, appearing at sports events and remastering the classics that have magnetized the people, old and young alike, into appreciating the magic of what was journey al over again. If anyone has breathed new life into Journey, It has been Perry. He has been busy. You could say that he works the crowd.

Whirlwind, "spoken like a true smahrtass" ... bravissimo.
But on the other side of the coin ^^^^these people are getting what they want, the DD every
summer for the rest of this Journey, regardless of the singer. The precise reason why the two (2) openers
better be kick ass.

[Don]

I won't say it's just Perry but definitely, the era of classic Journey is what keeps the current players relevant right now.
Journey sold 770,000 albums this past year. Eclipse (and Revelation) accounted for approximately 10% of those sales. By the time this last tour ended the band's set list pretty much consisted of one song written after 1986. It's obvious that nostalgia is the predominant selling point when it comes to this band.

[Eric]

I won't say it's just Perry but definitely, the era of classic Journey is what keeps the current players relevant right now.
Journey sold 770,000 albums this past year. Eclipse (and Revelation) accounted for approximately 10% of those sales. By the time this last tour ended the band's set list pretty much consisted of one song written after 1986. It's obvious that nostalgia is the predominant selling point when it comes to this band.

An active touring band releasing new music doesn't hurt back catalog sales either, though. It creates opportunity and buzz and awareness.

[whirlwind]

They should have listened. They should have waited. His saying that there was no going back indicated that he hoped for a future for them. JMHO

They'd still be waiting. Perry has shown no signs of activity in 15 years and little activity in 26 years. Because they didn't wait we've got 5 more albums and a dozen or so tours.

Right! No activity with Journey and Perry, just as he stated. The new albums are all but forgettable and the tours are solely based on the Perry years. They exist on what he contributed. Their lead singers were/are Perry wannabes. You could say that he was still vicariously with them without presiding. He has done more these past ten years for the Journey songs that are relevant then all the new albums combined. You think that the tours and new albums are keeping them relevant? Wrong! Its the publicity of Perry working with sound tracks for movies, appearing at sports events and remastering the classics that have magnetized the people, old and young alike, into appreciating the magic of what was journey al over again. If anyone has breathed new life into Journey, It has been Perry. He has been busy. You could say that he works the crowd.

Whirlwind, "spoken like a true smahrtass" ... bravissimo.
But on the other side of the coin ^^^^these people are getting what they want, the DD every
summer for the rest of this Journey, regardless of the singer. The precise reason why the two (2) openers
better be kick ass.

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

[Eric]

Right! No activity with Journey and Perry, just as he stated. The new albums are all but forgettable and the tours are solely based on the Perry years.

They aren't forgettable to me or many others...and to suggest the setlists are the same every year is pure ignorance. I wasn't happy with last years...but...if you even look at the Manilla DVD they played like 30 songs. Come on. I GUARANTEE you they have played over 100 different songs live in their 15 year comeback. In 2001 alone the two shows I saw differed by 8 songs. 2005 was a 3 hour show. I saw 5 new songs in 2009. Would I like MORE variation in any given tour...yes...but the only reason you're even posting your misinformation is because Journey is still an active band.

[whirlwind]

I won't say it's just Perry but definitely, the era of classic Journey is what keeps the current players relevant right now.
Journey sold 770,000 albums this past year. Eclipse (and Revelation) accounted for approximately 10% of those sales. By the time this last tour ended the band's set list pretty much consisted of one song written after 1986. It's obvious that nostalgia is the predominant selling point when it comes to this band.

An active touring band releasing new music doesn't hurt back catalog sales either, though. It creates opportunity and buzz and awareness.

Not to mention a pee break.

[Eric]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Heart plays to 3k without Journey in Big Flats, NY..Journey plays to 10k alone in Buffalo, NY and then Heart&Journey at the NYS Fair is sold out at 16k+ so it must be Heart, right?

Leppard doesn't draw as many since the Journey tour...Journey drew more in '08...but that must have been Leppard, right?

Frampton, Foreigner and Night Ranger play to smaller crowds opening for other bands then are part of one the top selling tours on 2011 with Journey...guess it must have been the them though, right?

Cheap Trick played for free at the NYS Fair Cole Muffler Stand then sells out the grandstand with Journey...must have been Cheap Trick, right?

Styx and REO played the Erie COUNTY Fair after the Main Event Tour, so they must have driven the great attendance that tour, right?

Seriously..enough with the irrational and plain out incorrect information and bashing.

[Michigan Girl]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Who said anything about the other bands being the top draw?!? I've stated
many times that I'm done w/the DD. I've also commented that the brilliance is in the pkg'ing as it
keeps me coming back. I'm pretty sure that I've made it very clear how angry I
am that the well known sound issues went ignored for the majority of
this past tour. I'm not a hater, I'm a disgruntled consumer and rightfully so.
Flush your hard earned funds down the toilet and see if you smile about it.
And those Pkg's do bring more folks in the door regardless of the
success of the individual artists tours, they are put together for a purpose, $$$$!

[Eric]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Who said anything about the other bands being the top draw?!? I've stated
many times that I'm done w/the DD. I've also commented that the brilliance is in the pkg'ing as it
keeps me coming back. I'm pretty sure that I've made it very clear how angry I
am that the well known sound issues went ignored for the majority of
this past tour. I'm not a hater, I'm a disgruntled consumer and rightfully so.
Flush your hard earned funds down the toilet and see if you smile about it.
And those Pkg's do bring more folks in the door regardless of the
success of the individual artists tours, they are put together for a purpose, $$$$!

The point is that Journey can do OK by themselves and need these lower tier bands to help fill sheds. But Journey is the great draw...NOT the support acts.

[Don]

I am surprised by them using a three band bill this year. A lot of the venues they are hitting up are having headliners making due with only one opener. Another thing to ponder is why have Benatar as the second act? I like Pat and have been to quite a few of her shows but she is not going to bring energy to the crowd the way Foreigner did. Half of her show now is monologue with acoustics.
Rock music isn't her strong point anymore. Now, when people hear the name Benatar, they think Love Is A Battlefield and We Belong. Those are about as pop as you can get and will prominent parts in her set list for sure.

[Michigan Girl]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Who said anything about the other bands being the top draw?!? I've stated
many times that I'm done w/the DD. I've also commented that the brilliance is in the pkg'ing as it
keeps me coming back. I'm pretty sure that I've made it very clear how angry I
am that the well known sound issues went ignored for the majority of
this past tour. I'm not a hater, I'm a disgruntled consumer and rightfully so.
Flush your hard earned funds down the toilet and see if you smile about it.
And those Pkg's do bring more folks in the door regardless of the
success of the individual artists tours, they are put together for a purpose, $$$$!

The point is that Journey can do OK by themselves and need these lower tier bands to help fill sheds. But Journey is the great draw...NOT the support acts.

Ooooh!! I saw HATERS and that became the point ...pardon me.

[Don]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

[Eric]

I am surprised by them using a three band bill this year. A lot of the venues they are hitting up are having headliners making due with only one opener. Another thing to ponder is why have Benatar as the second act? I like Pat and have been to quite a few of her shows but she is not going to bring energy to the crowd the way Foreigner did. Half of her show now is monologue with acoustics.
Rock music isn't her strong point anymore. Now, when people hear the name Benatar, they think Love Is A Battlefield and We Belong. Those are about as pop as you can get and will prominent parts in her set list for sure.

Wow..I didn't even realize she would be second. Just awful. She's not necessary, and Journey should just play smaller barns by themselves. I do want to see Loverboy, though I guess.

[Eric]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

[steveo777]

Things have been quiet in the Journey front for the most part lately.

It's about to get loud.

What do you mean?

Oh, touring season, guitars, drums and amps....stufff like that.

[Yoda]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

[Gideon]

There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

I'm not sure if there's an exact balance yet, but this place is a hell of a lot better than it used to be in this regard.

[whirlwind]

Hotel room in Boston 2006. Deano and I there slamming beers with most of the band.

Neal claimed he had not had Steve A in his monitor for years and had no idea what was going on.

Also threw Augeri under the bus (wrongly) big time and said he hated
Arrival. I will testify in court to everything Schon said under oath.

Discuss.

But who or what set "Tapegate" in motion?" I have always believed that Deano was used, because of his bombastic, in-your-face, outspoken personality, to pave a way to get Augeri "thrown under the bus'. To oust him shamefully since the band couldn't get rid of him after their being part of the scam the band was part of. I always felt that Neal and Co., Soto, and Andrew were all in on the tapegate expo. and that Dean was fed the damning info he needed to get it all out in the open. I think that the band got what they wanted from Dean and the others and never kept the promises and eventually withdrew the carrot they dangled when they gave Soto his papers.

There is a whole lot more to that story and Maybe it will be someone like Deen who will write the book.

Dean was nobody's puppet. there were a few people behind the scenes that were instrumental in analyzing the shows. hmm, a book... i witnessed much firsthand...

Yes! Who else but you? Write it.

Remember when Dean razzed on the "Lulu" on the Journey board and your first post here was to set him straight?

[Lula]

Yes! Who else but you? Write it.

Remember when Dean razzed on the "Lulu" on the Journey board and your first post here was to set him straight?

i'd like to think i have better subjects to write about . the "band" did admit to tapegate, just not to the public/fans. i will never forget my first post here, lol, opened the door to quite the ride! i will have to include tapegate in my writings to wyatt about his daddy, that whole thing was insanity lived.

[stevew2]

Journey will do the hits detuned , most people wont even know,New matirial wont matter that much,Friga will do his old piano solo,and set on his ass.Arnel will do his best to stir up the band ,and hopefully not blow out his voice like all the other singers has done in the past.Thats my take on Journey nowadays