Tribeca 2012: Journey singer doesn't stop believin'

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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:00 pm

Don wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Don wrote:
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Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:




I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?



For What?



What's wrong with the quote function?


One also.


For What?

For Don't Fight It, the song he wrote and performed with Kenny Loggins and Neil Giraldo.


So one Perry collaberation vs a Schon solo? Schon wins!
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:02 pm

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Kor'n wrote:quote="Don"]16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:




I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?

What's wrong with the quote function?[/quote]

The quote function is working fine. You must not be doing it right. Do you have this problem in other areas of your life too? :) ;)
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:07 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
Don wrote:
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Don wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Kor'n wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:




I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?



For What?



What's wrong with the quote function?


One also.


For What?

For Don't Fight It, the song he wrote and performed with Kenny Loggins and Neil Giraldo.


So one Perry collaberation vs a Schon solo? Schon wins!


Actually, neither of them won and they are just footnotes like the rest of the nominees that never got to take home the award.
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Postby slucero » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:10 pm

In Andrews interview with Espee... he has some interesting things to say.. and some great praise for a singer the band has apparently forgotten...

Andrew: This is a hard one Steve. Do you like the fact that they're out there playing songs you wrote with them, helping continue the legacy of Journey music? It must be a really hard thing to emotionally process still.
SP: I will tell you that in the beginning it was exactly what you said. It was emotionally very difficult to process it because I fought hard to get in to that band, I fought hard to be the best I could for what the band needed a singer to be, and I always wanted to be part of writing the best music that could be part of all that. And I did not want to see it become anything less than the integrity that we achieved together as a result of all that! So, I did not want to see that happen. But, it was going to happen anyway. So, it looked like that's where it was going. Life had showed up and there was a fork in the road between us. So, we went separate ways dare I say, not making a joke. And that's okay. Now, I look back at it as the most painful time of my life. But you know what? They need to love their lives. They love performing out there all the time. The fans love the songs we wrote.

Andrew: They do, they really do.
SP: I just think that it's really okay. It's really okay.

Andrew: It's amazing to hear you talk this way.
SP: It certainly is a wonderful gig for all three singers that were there after I was gone. It was a wonderful gig, you know?

Andrew: One of those singers is actually one of my best buddies in the whole world, Jeff Scott Soto.
SP: Uh huh? By the way, of all three singers – now I've not heard the other two, but I know in his own right, with his own music, with his own songwriting ability, this guy's a very talented guy! And of all three maybe they should have stuck with him and continued to write music, but that might have required that they let him in emotionally a little more? (laughing)

Andrew: Maybe? (laughing)
SP: Maybe… But I think that might have been a challenge. And so I think that possibly, he was the one that I think would have been a growth because he brought a lot of his own self in to it.

Andrew: Oh, I agree with you so much. And do you know how much he loves you!
SP: Well he's a very talented singer-songwriter and could have been an incredible addition to the band. I don't know what happened, because then they've moved on and now they have their third singer. So I don't know the workings and I've listened to really none of them to be honest. I just know his reputation is really great, I have friends who talk about him.

Andrew: He'll be proud to hear that.
SP: Lora & Cyndy (Fan Asylum) are amazing fans of his and I keep in touch with them.


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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:26 pm

slucero wrote:In Andrews interview with Espee... he has some interesting things to say.. and some great praise for a singer the band has apparently forgotten...

Andrew: This is a hard one Steve. Do you like the fact that they're out there playing songs you wrote with them, helping continue the legacy of Journey music? It must be a really hard thing to emotionally process still.
SP: I will tell you that in the beginning it was exactly what you said. It was emotionally very difficult to process it because I fought hard to get in to that band, I fought hard to be the best I could for what the band needed a singer to be, and I always wanted to be part of writing the best music that could be part of all that. And I did not want to see it become anything less than the integrity that we achieved together as a result of all that! So, I did not want to see that happen. But, it was going to happen anyway. So, it looked like that's where it was going. Life had showed up and there was a fork in the road between us. So, we went separate ways dare I say, not making a joke. And that's okay. Now, I look back at it as the most painful time of my life. But you know what? They need to love their lives. They love performing out there all the time. The fans love the songs we wrote.

Andrew: They do, they really do.
SP: I just think that it's really okay. It's really okay.

Andrew: It's amazing to hear you talk this way.
SP: It certainly is a wonderful gig for all three singers that were there after I was gone. It was a wonderful gig, you know?

Andrew: One of those singers is actually one of my best buddies in the whole world, Jeff Scott Soto.
SP: Uh huh? By the way, of all three singers – now I've not heard the other two, but I know in his own right, with his own music, with his own songwriting ability, this guy's a very talented guy! And of all three maybe they should have stuck with him and continued to write music, but that might have required that they let him in emotionally a little more? (laughing)

Andrew: Maybe? (laughing)
SP: Maybe… But I think that might have been a challenge. And so I think that possibly, he was the one that I think would have been a growth because he brought a lot of his own self in to it.

Andrew: Oh, I agree with you so much. And do you know how much he loves you!
SP: Well he's a very talented singer-songwriter and could have been an incredible addition to the band. I don't know what happened, because then they've moved on and now they have their third singer. So I don't know the workings and I've listened to really none of them to be honest. I just know his reputation is really great, I have friends who talk about him.

Andrew: He'll be proud touch hear that.
SP: Lora & Cyndy (Fan Asylum) are amazing fans of his and I keep in touch with them.



Thanks for finding this. I think the praise is by reputation only! Obviously, Lora and Cyndy help! Btw... I love JSS and if he shows up in the US besides TSO (I've seen both several times) I'll be there!!
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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:39 pm

Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


Kor'n wrote:No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:


RocknRoll wrote:The concerts I've been at Journey plays Journey songs. They play a variety of songs but mostly the songs the fans remember and they're doing it very well! Those huge throngs of fans always enjoy the concert! No surprise there!!

Sigh...such an old argument!


"Variety" of Perry era songs with a "sound-alike" as they travel about in packages. Who wouldn't enjoy awesome Kelly Hansen/Foreigner? Heart was on fire at both concerts "I've been too." Hopefully Pat Benatar and other will deliver. "No surprise there!!" Let's keep the catalog "rolling in the deep."

Is this where we give them a round of applause for being able to find "sound-alike" that's good at "selling what's already been sold" and for their inability to create new material that fans of the classic lineup are racing to purchase???

"Argument" is about as old as that Youtube story and those 80s tours. "Sigh" :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:48 pm

Kor'n wrote:
Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


Kor'n wrote:No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:


RocknRoll wrote:The concerts I've been at Journey plays Journey songs. They play a variety of songs but mostly the songs the fans remember and they're doing it very well! Those huge throngs of fans always enjoy the concert! No surprise there!!

Sigh...such an old argument!


"Variety" of Perry era songs with a "sound-alike" as they travel about in packages. Who wouldn't enjoy awesome Kelly Hansen/Foreigner? Heart was on fire at both concerts "I've been too." Hopefully Pat Benatar and other will deliver. "No surprise there!!" Let's keep the catalog "rolling in the deep."

Is this where we give them a round of applause for being able to find "sound-alike" that's good at "selling what's already been sold" and for their inability to create new material that fans of the classic lineup are racing to purchase???

"Argument" is about as old as that Youtube story and those 80s tours. "Sigh" :wink:


Some of your argument is counter-intuitive. Why did you come up here, especially since you have no interest whatsoever in what Journey is doing these days? Arnel is doing the job he was hired to do and singing the songs the band wants him to sing, as they were meant to be heard. Steve Perry, as much as I love his work, can't produce these songs this way anymore and won't perform. Labeling Arnel as a karaoke singer and copycat is just ridiculous. We, who have been paying attention understand he has way more versatility than that. Sorry if you didn't like Eclipse or anything else they've done. Your issue, not mine. People long for what used to be but it's just not going to come back. Why fuck with people who enjoy what we presently have?
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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:57 pm

slucero wrote:In Andrews interview with Espee... he has some interesting things to say.. and some great praise for a singer the band has apparently forgotten...


Andrew: This is a hard one Steve. Do you like the fact that they're out there playing songs you wrote with them, helping continue the legacy of Journey music? It must be a really hard thing to emotionally process still.
SP: I will tell you that in the beginning it was exactly what you said. It was emotionally very difficult to process it because I fought hard to get in to that band, I fought hard to be the best I could for what the band needed a singer to be, and I always wanted to be part of writing the best music that could be part of all that. And I did not want to see it become anything less than the integrity that we achieved together as a result of all that! So, I did not want to see that happen. But, it was going to happen anyway. So, it looked like that's where it was going. Life had showed up and there was a fork in the road between us. So, we went separate ways dare I say, not making a joke. And that's okay. Now, I look back at it as the most painful time of my life. But you know what? They need to love their lives. They love performing out there all the time. The fans love the songs we wrote.

Andrew: They do, they really do.
SP: I just think that it's really okay. It's really okay.

Andrew: It's amazing to hear you talk this way.
SP: It certainly is a wonderful gig for all three singers that were there after I was gone. It was a wonderful gig, you know?

Andrew: One of those singers is actually one of my best buddies in the whole world, Jeff Scott Soto.
SP: Uh huh? By the way, of all three singers – now I've not heard the other two, but I know in his own right, with his own music, with his own songwriting ability, this guy's a very talented guy! And of all three maybe they should have stuck with him and continued to write music, but that might have required that they let him in emotionally a little more? (laughing)

Andrew: Maybe? (laughing)
SP: Maybe… But I think that might have been a challenge. And so I think that possibly, he was the one that I think would have been a growth because he brought a lot of his own self in to it.

Andrew: Oh, I agree with you so much. And do you know how much he loves you!
SP: Well he's a very talented singer-songwriter and could have been an incredible addition to the band. I don't know what happened, because then they've moved on and now they have their third singer. So I don't know the workings and I've listened to really none of them to be honest. I just know his reputation is really great, I have friends who talk about him.

Andrew: He'll be proud touch hear that.
SP: Lora & Cyndy (Fan Asylum) are amazing fans of his and I keep in touch with them.


RocknRoll wrote:Thanks for finding this. I think the praise is by reputation only! Obviously, Lora and Cyndy help! Btw... I love JSS and if he shows up in the US besides TSO (I've seen both several times) I'll be there!!


Here is some more praise from Steve Perry for the band and the "original and amazing music" they created..... (QA 2011)

"24) There's an interview where Neal Schon and the rest of the Journey members said that you are welcome anytime to jam with them during a performance. Is this something you would consider?
'That's a kind invitation...........but I Respectfully decline.
But I want you to know this.......
I just spent the last 3 months listening very closely to the new Journey Greatest Hits 2 and the first Journey Greatest Hits ....... Every single one of those tracks is a magical moment in time..... Neal's playing is stunningly amazing ..... and Jon's keyboard performances are locked in rock history forever ......Steve Smith and Ross are a Symphonic R&B - Rock rhythm section....Gregg Rolie's playing and singing and Aynsley's drumming .....Still are and will always be... forever timeless.
And there's one more thing..... everyone should know........
I will NEVER stop believing in all the original and amazing music we created together!"
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:22 pm

Kor'n wrote:
slucero wrote:In Andrews interview with Espee... he has some interesting things to say.. and some great praise for a singer the band has apparently forgotten...


Andrew: This is a hard one Steve. Do you like the fact that they're out there playing songs you wrote with them, helping continue the legacy of Journey music? It must be a really hard thing to emotionally process still.
SP: I will tell you that in the beginning it was exactly what you said. It was emotionally very difficult to process it because I fought hard to get in to that band, I fought hard to be the best I could for what the band needed a singer to be, and I always wanted to be part of writing the best music that could be part of all that. And I did not want to see it become anything less than the integrity that we achieved together as a result of all that! So, I did not want to see that happen. But, it was going to happen anyway. So, it looked like that's where it was going. Life had showed up and there was a fork in the road between us. So, we went separate ways dare I say, not making a joke. And that's okay. Now, I look back at it as the most painful time of my life. But you know what? They need to love their lives. They love performing out there all the time. The fans love the songs we wrote.

Andrew: They do, they really do.
SP: I just think that it's really okay. It's really okay.

Andrew: It's amazing to hear you talk this way.
SP: It certainly is a wonderful gig for all three singers that were there after I was gone. It was a wonderful gig, you know?

Andrew: One of those singers is actually one of my best buddies in the whole world, Jeff Scott Soto.
SP: Uh huh? By the way, of all three singers – now I've not heard the other two, but I know in his own right, with his own music, with his own songwriting ability, this guy's a very talented guy! And of all three maybe they should have stuck with him and continued to write music, but that might have required that they let him in emotionally a little more? (laughing)

Andrew: Maybe? (laughing)
SP: Maybe… But I think that might have been a challenge. And so I think that possibly, he was the one that I think would have been a growth because he brought a lot of his own self in to it.

Andrew: Oh, I agree with you so much. And do you know how much he loves you!
SP: Well he's a very talented singer-songwriter and could have been an incredible addition to the band. I don't know what happened, because then they've moved on and now they have their third singer. So I don't know the workings and I've listened to really none of them to be honest. I just know his reputation is really great, I have friends who talk about him.

Andrew: He'll be proud touch hear that.
SP: Lora & Cyndy (Fan Asylum) are amazing fans of his and I keep in touch with them.


RocknRoll wrote:Thanks for finding this. I think the praise is by reputation only! Obviously, Lora and Cyndy help! Btw... I love JSS and if he shows up in the US besides TSO (I've seen both several times) I'll be there!!


Here is some more praise from Steve Perry for the band and the "original and amazing music" they created..... (QA 2011)

"24) There's an interview where Neal Schon and the rest of the Journey members said that you are welcome anytime to jam with them during a performance. Is this something you would consider?
'That's a kind invitation...........but I Respectfully decline.
But I want you to know this.......
I just spent the last 3 months listening very closely to the new Journey Greatest Hits 2 and the first Journey Greatest Hits ....... Every single one of those tracks is a magical moment in time..... Neal's playing is stunningly amazing ..... and Jon's keyboard performances are locked in rock history forever ......Steve Smith and Ross are a Symphonic R&B - Rock rhythm section....Gregg Rolie's playing and singing and Aynsley's drumming .....Still are and will always be... forever timeless.
And there's one more thing..... everyone should know........
I will NEVER stop believing in all the original and amazing music we created together!"


Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is a band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!
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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:23 pm

Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


Kor'n wrote:No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:


RocknRoll wrote:The concerts I've been at Journey plays Journey songs. They play a variety of songs but mostly the songs the fans remember and they're doing it very well! Those huge throngs of fans always enjoy the concert! No surprise there!!

Sigh...such an old argument!


Kor'n wrote:"Variety" of Perry era songs with a "sound-alike" as they travel about in packages. Who wouldn't enjoy awesome Kelly Hansen/Foreigner? Heart was on fire at both concerts "I've been too." Hopefully Pat Benatar and other will deliver. "No surprise there!!" Let's keep the catalog "rolling in the deep."

Is this where we give them a round of applause for being able to find "sound-alike" that's good at "selling what's already been sold" and for their inability to create new material that fans of the classic lineup are racing to purchase???

"Argument" is about as old as that Youtube story and those 80s tours. "Sigh" :wink:


steveo777 wrote:Some of your argument is counter-intuitive. Why did you come up here, especially since you have no interest whatsoever in what Journey is doing these days? Arnel is doing the job he was hired to do and singing the songs the band wants him to sing, as they were meant to be heard. Steve Perry, as much as I love his work, can't produce these songs this way anymore and won't perform. Labeling Arnel as a karaoke singer and copycat is just ridiculous. We, who have been paying attention understand he has way more versatility than that. Sorry if you didn't like Eclipse or anything else they've done. Your issue, not mine. People long for what used to be but it's just not going to come back. Why fuck with people who enjoy what we presently have?


Sorry but all of your "argument is counter-intuitive" and so sorry for interfering with the "chairman of the board's" enjoyment. They (the band and his fans) are the ones who touted his assets, and it appears those assets may have turned into liabilities, Eclipse. "Slammed dunk Survivor, made something out of "Nothing at All" and "did Steve Perry almost eerily flawless." Now, is it time for me to refer you back to some of your post? "Your issue not mine."
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:44 pm

Kor'n wrote:
Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


Kor'n wrote:No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:


RocknRoll wrote:The concerts I've been at Journey plays Journey songs. They play a variety of songs but mostly the songs the fans remember and they're doing it very well! Those huge throngs of fans always enjoy the concert! No surprise there!!

Sigh...such an old argument!


Kor'n wrote:"Variety" of Perry era songs with a "sound-alike" as they travel about in packages. Who wouldn't enjoy awesome Kelly Hansen/Foreigner? Heart was on fire at both concerts "I've been too." Hopefully Pat Benatar and other will deliver. "No surprise there!!" Let's keep the catalog "rolling in the deep."

Is this where we give them a round of applause for being able to find "sound-alike" that's good at "selling what's already been sold" and for their inability to create new material that fans of the classic lineup are racing to purchase???

"Argument" is about as old as that Youtube story and those 80s tours. "Sigh" :wink:


steveo777 wrote:Some of your argument is counter-intuitive. Why did you come up here, especially since you have no interest whatsoever in what Journey is doing these days? Arnel is doing the job he was hired to do and singing the songs the band wants him to sing, as they were meant to be heard. Steve Perry, as much as I love his work, can't produce these songs this way anymore and won't perform. Labeling Arnel as a karaoke singer and copycat is just ridiculous. We, who have been paying attention understand he has way more versatility than that. Sorry if you didn't like Eclipse or anything else they've done. Your issue, not mine. People long for what used to be but it's just not going to come back. Why fuck with people who enjoy what we presently have?


Sorry but all of your "argument is counter-intuitive" and so sorry for interfering with the "chairman of the board's" enjoyment. They (the band and his fans) are the ones who touted his assets, and it appears those assets may have turned into liabilities, Eclipse. "Slammed dunk Survivor, made something out of "Nothing at All" and "did Steve Perry almost eerily flawless." Now, is it time for me to refer you back to some of your post? "Your issue not mine."


Eclipse was not an album that Arnel wrote, although he contributed to the writing of a couple of songs. Fuck it, I'm not going to attempt to argue with you, as it's clear you are just trolling. I'm done and I will only participate when Andrew comes to the same conclusion, then I will help pour flammable liquid on the wood that starts the fire that burns your ass! You are nothing but a typical forum troll douche :twisted:

What happens is so predictable; when something positive happens with Journey, the trolls come out of the woodwork.
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:47 pm

Kor'n wrote:
Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


Kor'n wrote:No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:


RocknRoll wrote:The concerts I've been at Journey plays Journey songs. They play a variety of songs but mostly the songs the fans remember and they're doing it very well! Those huge throngs of fans always enjoy the concert! No surprise there!!

Sigh...such an old argument!


Kor'n wrote:"Variety" of Perry era songs with a "sound-alike" as they travel about in packages. Who wouldn't enjoy awesome Kelly Hansen/Foreigner? Heart was on fire at both concerts "I've been too." Hopefully Pat Benatar and other will deliver. "No surprise there!!" Let's keep the catalog "rolling in the deep."

Is this where we give them a round of applause for being able to find "sound-alike" that's good at "selling what's already been sold" and for their inability to create new material that fans of the classic lineup are racing to purchase???

"Argument" is about as old as that Youtube story and those 80s tours. "Sigh" :wink:


steveo777 wrote:Some of your argument is counter-intuitive. Why did you come up here, especially since you have no interest whatsoever in what Journey is doing these days? Arnel is doing the job he was hired to do and singing the songs the band wants him to sing, as they were meant to be heard. Steve Perry, as much as I love his work, can't produce these songs this way anymore and won't perform. Labeling Arnel as a karaoke singer and copycat is just ridiculous. We, who have been paying attention understand he has way more versatility than that. Sorry if you didn't like Eclipse or anything else they've done. Your issue, not mine. People long for what used to be but it's just not going to come back. Why fuck with people who enjoy what we presently have?


Sorry but all of your "argument is counter-intuitive" and so sorry for interfering with the "chairman of the board's" enjoyment. They (the band and his fans) are the ones who touted his assets, and it appears those assets may have turned into liabilities, Eclipse. "Slammed dunk Survivor, made something out of "Nothing at All" and "did Steve Perry almost eerily flawless." Now, is it time for me to refer you back to some of your post? "Your issue not mine."


Wow!! I'm confused!! Although I've missed all the late nite dust offs!
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Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is the rest of the band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!


Um.. no...He said he'd heard JSS...

Successful since "Perry days" compared to what.. if you mean Perry era tours...... that makes no sense...

Perry is happy for the band... and happy on his own...


Don can provide the numbers most likely..

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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:18 pm

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Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is the rest of the band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!


Um.. no...He said he'd heard JSS...

Successful since "Perry days" compared to what.. if you mean Perry era tours...... that makes no sense...

Perry is happy for the band... and happy on his own...


Don can provide the numbers most likely..


I think you need to reread this. I just did and it was heard of! I'm just curious if all the post Perry albums exceed or not the TBF numbers. Hey. I'm thrilled Perry is happy and I'm one of those who are totally happy attending concerts. Can't wait for SB!
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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:19 pm

slucero wrote:In Andrews interview with Espee... he has some interesting things to say.. and some great praise for a singer the band has apparently forgotten...


Andrew: This is a hard one Steve. Do you like the fact that they're out there playing songs you wrote with them, helping continue the legacy of Journey music? It must be a really hard thing to emotionally process still.
SP: I will tell you that in the beginning it was exactly what you said. It was emotionally very difficult to process it because I fought hard to get in to that band, I fought hard to be the best I could for what the band needed a singer to be, and I always wanted to be part of writing the best music that could be part of all that. And I did not want to see it become anything less than the integrity that we achieved together as a result of all that! So, I did not want to see that happen. But, it was going to happen anyway. So, it looked like that's where it was going. Life had showed up and there was a fork in the road between us. So, we went separate ways dare I say, not making a joke. And that's okay. Now, I look back at it as the most painful time of my life. But you know what? They need to love their lives. They love performing out there all the time. The fans love the songs we wrote.

Andrew: They do, they really do.
SP: I just think that it's really okay. It's really okay.

Andrew: It's amazing to hear you talk this way.
SP: It certainly is a wonderful gig for all three singers that were there after I was gone. It was a wonderful gig, you know?

Andrew: One of those singers is actually one of my best buddies in the whole world, Jeff Scott Soto.
SP: Uh huh? By the way, of all three singers – now I've not heard the other two, but I know in his own right, with his own music, with his own songwriting ability, this guy's a very talented guy! And of all three maybe they should have stuck with him and continued to write music, but that might have required that they let him in emotionally a little more? (laughing)

Andrew: Maybe? (laughing)
SP: Maybe… But I think that might have been a challenge. And so I think that possibly, he was the one that I think would have been a growth because he brought a lot of his own self in to it.

Andrew: Oh, I agree with you so much. And do you know how much he loves you!
SP: Well he's a very talented singer-songwriter and could have been an incredible addition to the band. I don't know what happened, because then they've moved on and now they have their third singer. So I don't know the workings and I've listened to really none of them to be honest. I just know his reputation is really great, I have friends who talk about him.

Andrew: He'll be proud touch hear that.
SP: Lora & Cyndy (Fan Asylum) are amazing fans of his and I keep in touch with them.


RocknRoll wrote:Thanks for finding this. I think the praise is by reputation only! Obviously, Lora and Cyndy help! Btw... I love JSS and if he shows up in the US besides TSO (I've seen both several times) I'll be there!!


Kor'n wrote:Here is some more praise from Steve Perry for the band and the "original and amazing music" they created..... (QA 2011)

"24) There's an interview where Neal Schon and the rest of the Journey members said that you are welcome anytime to jam with them during a performance. Is this something you would consider?
'That's a kind invitation...........but I Respectfully decline.
But I want you to know this.......
I just spent the last 3 months listening very closely to the new Journey Greatest Hits 2 and the first Journey Greatest Hits ....... Every single one of those tracks is a magical moment in time..... Neal's playing is stunningly amazing ..... and Jon's keyboard performances are locked in rock history forever ......Steve Smith and Ross are a Symphonic R&B - Rock rhythm section....Gregg Rolie's playing and singing and Aynsley's drumming .....Still are and will always be... forever timeless.
And there's one more thing..... everyone should know........
I will NEVER stop believing in all the original and amazing music we created together!"


RocknRoll wrote:[Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is the rest of the band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!


"Successful" is in "the eyes of the beholder." Well, at least Perry seemed to have shown up at one concert last year.

"Natural Manila, Pineda was selected by the band in late 2007 by the resemblance that his voice has the lead singer of the period of greatest glory of the band, Steve Perry. From the first song, the success of 1983 Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) and during the next hour and a half, Pineda did just that: sound identical to Perry. The only times when it did not seem as though Perry was on stage was in the tunes Keep on Runnin ' and Who's Crying Now , both voiced by drummer Deen Castronovo." 2011/PR

Perhaps Perry will want to keep "his head in the sand" so as not to see what has become of the band he helped create.

Perhaps he is getting well-acquainted with "Eclipse."
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:45 pm

Kor'n wrote:
slucero wrote:In Andrews interview with Espee... he has some interesting things to say.. and some great praise for a singer the band has apparently forgotten...


RocknRoll wrote:[Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is the rest of the band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!


"Successful" is in "the eyes of the beholder." Well, at least Perry seemed to have shown up at one concert last year.

"Natural Manila, Pineda was selected by the band in late 2007 by the resemblance that his voice has the lead singer of the period of greatest glory of the band, Steve Perry. From the first song, the success of 1983 Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) and during the next hour and a half, Pineda did just that: sound identical to Perry. The only times when it did not seem as though Perry was on stage was in the tunes Keep on Runnin ' and Who's Crying Now , both voiced by drummer Deen Castronovo." 2011/PR

Perhaps Perry will want to keep "his head in the sand" so as not to see what has become of the band he helped create.

Perhaps he is getting well-acquainted with "Eclipse."


Again, I'm confused. How can a guy not recognize how this band has benefited him by being on the road and keeping the Journey music alive. He should just keep his head in the sand and count the $$$ Journey gives him by sharing the music with new fans instead of living in the past. Btw...I think Perry knows this. One of these days maybe he'll acknowledge it!

btw...I Love Eclipse, but then again I love guitar driven music!
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:56 pm

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RocknRoll wrote:
Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is the rest of the band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!


Um.. no...He said he'd heard JSS...

Successful since "Perry days" compared to what.. if you mean Perry era tours...... that makes no sense...

Perry is happy for the band... and happy on his own...


Don can provide the numbers most likely..


Not exact numbers but close enough for what ever point was trying to be made.

Sound Scan numbers as of Jan 2012

U.S numbers

Trial By Fire = 1.2 million

Combined # for Arrival, Generations, Red13, Revelation and Eclipse = 990,000


Outside U.S

Trial By Fire = 200,000 (155,000 in Japan alone)

Combined # for Arrival, Generations, Red13, Revelation and Eclipse = 135,000

Note, There could very well be an additional 100k in sales for Arrival and a few thousand more for TBF from the remastered versions which Sound Scan hasn't combined with the original release totals.
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Postby slucero » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:56 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
slucero wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Soo...just to get back to the original post and argument! Basically what's just been posted is Perry hasn't/won't listen to any music or singers from the band in the last what about 16 years. Since the Perry days they still have super successful tours including Europe and SA. Maybe Cain is right and Perry does have his head in the sand and that's not derogatory. Curious, for some of the number crunchers. how do all Journey's post Perry albums measure up to TBF since we know the industry and album sales have changed?

Regardless, what I see is the rest of the band making music, performing and enjoying it along with the fans!


Um.. no...He said he'd heard JSS...

Successful since "Perry days" compared to what.. if you mean Perry era tours...... that makes no sense...

Perry is happy for the band... and happy on his own...


Don can provide the numbers most likely..


I think you need to reread this. I just did and it was heard of! I'm just curious if all the post Perry albums exceed or not the TBF numbers. Hey. I'm thrilled Perry is happy and I'm one of those who are totally happy attending concerts. Can't wait for SB!



yer right... he's heard of Jeff... and he gives jeff respect as a writer... so that kinda makes sense..

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Postby Rip Rokken » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:59 pm

I know AP's heard JSS - we were jamming on some Talisman yesterday morning at 2am in Chinatown.

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Postby Don » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:27 am

Tribeca Review: Don't Stop Believin': Everyman's Journey
3:00 PM on 04.22.2012 | Hubert Vigilla


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Sometimes I feel bad about using the adjective "feel good." Whenever I hear the phrase "feel good movie," it immediately conjures up images of treacly, saccharine, unsatisfying dreck that deals in cliches and simple, familiar comforts. But Don't Stop Believin': Everyman's Journey is a feel-good movie in a good way.

It's the unlikely tale of Arnel Pineda, the new lead singer of Journey, who was discovered on YouTube. I didn't even realize Journey had a new lead singer, though to be fair, I'm casual fan at best, and don't really follow news on Steve Perry. (And by casual Journey fan, I mean I will sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" or "Any Way You Want It" if I hear it in a bar.)

If the movie deals in any sorts of familiar comforts, it's the kind that are inspirational because they are improbable: Cinderella stories, Horatio Alger stories, local boy makes good stories. This is the stuff that arena rock dreams are made of.

Arnel Pineda's story is beautifully improbable: hard times growing up in the Philippines, a singing career that really went nowhere, a sudden shot at the big-time. He admits that he was close to quitting the whole musician thing until he got a call from Journey guitarist Neal Schon. The band was looking to tour again and found his clips on YouTube. What's interesting in these YouTube clips is Pineda's ability to mimic other singers. He's got strong pipes that allow him to do Bon Jovi and Steve Perry with surprisingly accurate vigor. If you do a Pepsi challenge with Pineda and Perry, you can tell the difference: Perry's a little more delicate, Pineda's got lots of heft in the throat.

There's a bit of parallel construction when it comes to Pineda's biography and the biography of the band. Here's where Ramona Diaz's direction is extremely strong. Journey's beginning and stratospheric success serve as a strong counterpoint to the abject poverty that Pineda faced growing up -- sort of a contrast between the highs of the first world and the lows of the third world. Journey's decline is also joined to Pineda's struggles later in life, which is another fine parallel construction.

The cultural divide leads to funny bits early on. If I'm remembering it right, bassist Ross Valory expresses concerns over Pineda's grasp of English. Pineda's English is fine, his Filipino accent thick when he speaks but undetectable when he's belting it out. He sounds like a city boy etc. Pineda's shocked he got the gig, joking that he looks like he's photoshopped into the band. And honestly, he sort of does, and it's this self-deprecation and self-awareness that make Pineda an interesting subject for a film.

It's hard not to like Pineda throughout Don't Stop Believin'. He reminds me of a few of my cousins, actually. He's been humbled by his years barely making it, so there's a constant sense of disbelief wherever he goes. He's like Charlie Bucket from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory -- you pull for him because he's wanted it all his life and finally gets it. Like the kids who survive children's stories and fairy tales, he's good at heart. And you know what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he always wanted.

But actually, it's not so simple. After the initial shock and surprise of this union, we get to see how Pineda fares on tour. He's got to pass muster with thousands of fans on the road, and also the newfound Filipino fan base since he's joined. The film turns from a straight up Cinderella story to a sort of Cinderella tour documentary. It's all routine for the rest of the band, with Schon and Valory talking about the way you need to be built for the lifestyle and how the road can really break you in the end. Since Pineda's not too familiar with the rigors of the road or the demands of a major arena rock gig, it's fascinating to see how he responds to the pressure.

Little dramas arise involving colds, loneliness, and newfound fame. All the while, Pineda seems in a daze of disbelief (or fatigue). He's also more critical of himself than other people in the band given his unlikely story and the big shoes that Steve Perry left behind. Maybe the man who suddenly got everything he ever wanted lived happily ever after, but in real life, happy endings tend to have their ups and downs. He'll make it, or at least you hope he will, though you wonder how he'll be affected in the long run.

As Don't Stop Believin' winds down, it seems to get a bit loose with its structure and focus. If the film were like a concert, this penultimate part of the movie would be like the perfunctory break before the encore. The audience applauds expectantly, but they really want to see one or two more songs and go out on a high note. Meanwhile, Journey takes a breather, unwinds, drinks some water and towels off. When they come back and close it out, they do just what you wanted to hear. (Hint: It's not "Any Way You Want It.")

I was talking to our own Alec Kubas-Meyer about the movie at the fest and he asked about the YouTube singer phenomenon and if that's explored at all. It's not really, though Justin Bieber's name is mentioned briefly in the film as a nice acknowledgment of it. I suppose Diaz could have done that, but really, that's something for a different movie with a different focus. (I'd hope Pineda winds up in that one, though.)

I say that because Don't Stop Believin' is an unrepentant feel-good movie rather than an exploration of online phenomena. It's like a good pop song: it's about something you know (love, heartbreak, ambition, good times, bad times) and it hooks you not because of the familiarity but because it expresses what it says with something genuine. When you get hooked by it, it's hard to resist the urge to sway with it or sing along.



Score = 75
While destined to be great, this movie's flaws held it back. Fans of the genre will still love it.
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http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117947420/


Proving that the Internet can sometimes reward actual talent, and/or that veteran rockers know the value of stranger-than-fiction spin, Ramona Diaz's entertaining docu "Don't Stop Believin': Everyman's Journey" follows the plucking from poverty of a Manila fanboy to serve as frontman of classic-rock supergroup Journey. Cranked-to-11 pic benefits from the charisma (and rock-solid pipes) of Arnel Pineda, but also from the laidback likability of Neal Schon, the Journey guitarist who discovered Pineda belting out the hits on YouTube. Alas, at nearly two hours, the movie never ends; it goes on and on (and on and on), per the titular tune.
Making more than the most of a documentarian's backstage pass, Diaz ("Imelda") can be somewhat forgiven for the film's epic balladry, at least in the sense that "Don't Stop" means to capture the gruelingly monotonous nature of a rock star's life on the road. Performing "Faithfully" (and other cheesy chart-toppers) for huge crowds of Bic-flicking concertgoers four nights a week, the longhaired, lovably immodest Pineda is clearly living a Journey fan's ultimate dream, but he also has to contend with a perpetually sore throat, along with the boredom of incessant travel and the severely culture-shocking pressures of newfound fame.

In talking-head passages, Pineda, faithfully married to the supportive Cherry, speaks philosophically about having lived hand-to-mouth in Manila while struggling with drug and alcohol addiction, and about the endless temptation to "sin" on tour. Such observations lend gravity even to the concert footage, wherein Pineda channels the melodramatic spirit of former Journey singer Steve Perry while adding his own scrappy joie de vivre, covering every inch of the gigantic stage while somehow managing to stay in tune.

Not unlike Journey itself, "Don't Stop Believin'" hits corny but impassioned notes, resonating emotionally even (or especially) through cliches. Certainly the film makes a case for the validity of the reformulated band -- no small feat, some would say -- while conveying the personalities of individual members and the camaraderie that extends fully to the group's newest addition. Culminating in the Manila concert that brought it all back home for Pineda, the pic features interviews with crushed-out Filipino fans, one of whom marvels at how Journey "inherited a nation" when it went on tour with Manila's most fortunate son.

Pic's tech package appears solid, although sound quality varies a bit even in pro-recorded live performance scenes. Editing falters in terms of failing to prune individual passages, and of awkwardly presenting Pineda's Chile debut after what counts as his second appearance with the band. Diaz does deftly capture a handful of spontaneous, sometimes hilarious moments, as when the once-unknown singer who replaced Chicago's frontman Peter Cetera introduces himself to Pineda backstage, saying he knows exactly how the new guy feels.

A concluding title card asserts that Journey's 1981 hit "Don't Stop Believin'" is the most downloaded of all 20th-century songs; on and on it goes, indeed.


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Postby Don » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:25 am

TRIBECA – Don’t stop believin’ | Arnel Pineda’s incredible journey

SAM WEISBERG
April 23, 2012

http://screencomment.com/2012/04/journey-documentary/


Ramona Diaz’s Don’t Stop Believin’: Everyman’s Journey is the story of Arnel Pineda, the Filipino singing prodigy who at age forty was plucked from total obscurity in his native Manila and recruited to join his all-time favorite band Journey. In quick-cut, high-gloss concert video fashion, Diaz takes us through Pineda’s gradual emergence from spastic, shaky newcomer to certified rock god all while maintaining his modest appeal.

Fragile and diminutive, with girlish cheekbones, Pineda is no one’s idea of an arena rock star. “I’m not even cute. I’m short, I’m so Asian. It’s like I was photoshopped into the band,” he says in one of several charmingly self-effacing asides. But his vocals are so frighteningly close to those of former Journey powerhouse Steve Perry that there’s never any question he’s the man for the job.
Diaz’s energetic documentary will make audiences share Pineda’s excitement and awe, but it’s frustratingly limited in scope and depth.

On an emotional scale, it hits the requisite highs and lows of a “Behind the Music” special, as Pineda shifts from ecstasy to uneasiness to outright disenchantment at the reality of his newfound fame. And early on, there’s a few saddening scenes capturing the ignorant remarks of certain fans, who don’t welcome the lineup change (“I think he should be from here,” one redneck girl says).
But beyond that, Diaz doesn’t delve much into the dark side of Pineda’s outsider status.

To be sure, it couldn’t have been easy to triumph over lifelong Journey fans’ scrutiny but his transition comes off rather seamlessly—consequently the film doesn’t generate much tension. And though Pineda remains a likable, well-grounded figure throughout, most of his epiphanies, which constitute the largest part of the film’s non-musical footage, are on the bland side (“I can’t believe I’m here,” “It feels like a dream,” etc.) Furthermore, Diaz seldom considers the hollowness Pineda might feel about his being, at heart, a virtuoso imitator, who never achieved fame with his own music.

And yet Don’t Stop Believin’ is a heartfelt, entertaining story which will leave you smiling and hopeful. Diaz makes an excessive use of gimmicks at times (plenty of stop-motion sunsets here), but she’s smart enough to leave in some small, subtle moments of humor which makes Don’t Stop Believin’ more memorable than standard rockumentaries.

The son of tailors, Pineda grappled with poverty throughout his life; by the time he was a teenager, his mother had died from rheumatic heart disease, and soon after his family could no longer afford rent and were kicked out of their home. In 1981, the same year the Journey bandmembers became millionaires from their now-ubiquitous hit, “Don’t Stop Believin’,” fourteen year-old Pineda was singing on the street for change.
Over the next two and a half drug-laced decades, Pineda sang Journey, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin and other power-rock covers with countless fashion-blind bands (shown here via hilarious home videos). He started an original band, Zoo, but failed to endear audiences to his cornball love songs. By 2007, fed up and exhausted, he was ready to retire to domesticity with wife and child. That’s when Journey founder/guitarist Neal Schon, who had long since parted ways with Perry, found Pineda’s YouTube videos after an exhaustive Internet search. Spellbound, he invited Pineda to San Francisco for tryouts to sing on Journey’s new record, “Revelation.” After landing the gig, Pineda, Schon, keyboardist Jonathan Cain, bassist Ross Valory and drummer Deen Castronovo set off on an extensive international tour.

Die-hard fans aside, most people will find it hard to tolerate two hours of Journey’s squealing, masturbatory solos, painfully overearnest lyrics and opera-like vocals. Happily, although Diaz mostly takes Journey’s cheesy theatrics seriously, she’s not afraid to make fun of their world at times. It’s impossible not to laugh at Pineda’s squeaky-clean dressing-room (lined with Evian, Throat Coat and boxes of Premium crackers), or his practicing scales backstage like a child preparing for a recital.
And while you might not appreciate the older Journey members’ musicianship—try not to cringe when they write an awful extension of “Don’t Stop Believin’,” commemorating the troops in Iraq and starving people in Ethiopia—as people they are refreshingly low-key. It’s touching how much they adore Pineda and defend him from haters. They register like rock-star babysitters, gently instructing Pineda how to tone down his frantic, spur-of-the-moment on-stage choreography.

Its flaws notwithstanding, Diaz’s film is to be commended for drawing out the humanity of a band long-considered by critics to be faceless.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:37 am

That last reviewer - what an arrogant douche.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:37 am

Don wrote:TRIBECA – Don’t stop believin’ | Arnel Pineda’s incredible journey

SAM WEISBERG
April 23, 2012

http://screencomment.com/2012/04/journey-documentary/


Happily, although Diaz mostly takes Journey’s cheesy theatrics seriously, she’s not afraid to make fun of their world at times. It’s impossible not to laugh at Pineda’s squeaky-clean dressing-room (lined with Evian, Throat Coat and boxes of Premium crackers), or his practicing scales backstage like a child preparing for a recital.[/i]


Not an Arnel fan at all, but how is this laughable or funny at all? This is pretty common practice among singers and performers that actually care about their craft and care about giving their fans their money's worth.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:49 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Don wrote:TRIBECA – Don’t stop believin’ | Arnel Pineda’s incredible journey

SAM WEISBERG
April 23, 2012

http://screencomment.com/2012/04/journey-documentary/


Happily, although Diaz mostly takes Journey’s cheesy theatrics seriously, she’s not afraid to make fun of their world at times. It’s impossible not to laugh at Pineda’s squeaky-clean dressing-room (lined with Evian, Throat Coat and boxes of Premium crackers), or his practicing scales backstage like a child preparing for a recital.[/i]


Not an Arnel fan at all, but how is this laughable or funny at all? This is pretty common practice among singers and performers that actually care about their craft and care about giving their fans their money's worth.


Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking. If that's what a singer has to do to keep their voice up to snuff and give the fans a good show, so be it.
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Postby tater1977 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:11 pm

JOURNEY TO TRIBECA FILM FESTIVAL FOR MOVIE SPOTLIGHTING ARNEL PINEDA

http://youtu.be/t8z9BsdqPWQ

Don't Stop Believin' Everyman's Journey premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival a few days ago, and the band's Neal Schon, and subject, Arnel Pineda talked about the film and what people will get out of it.
Perry's good natured bonhomie & the world’s most charmin smile,knocked fans off their feet. Sportin a black tux,gigs came alive as he swished around the stage thrillin audiences w/ charisma that instantly burnt the oxygen right out of the venue.TR.com
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Postby tater1977 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:33 pm

Filipino singer's 'journey' takes Tribeca stage

NEW YORK | Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:26pm EDT

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... IF20120423

(Reuters) - At age 40, Arnel Pineda lived every wannabe rock star's dream, middle-aged fan's fantasy and even one poor country's hope for financial success.

A little more than five years ago, as videos of Pineda performing Journey cover tunes played on YouTube, he sat at home in the Philippines on the verge of giving up his dream of a singing and songwriting career.

But those YouTube clips eventually earned Pineda an audition for rock band Journey, whose hits of the 1980s include "Who's Crying Now" and "Open Arms," and he went on to become their lead singer in an unlikely career trajectory that is now part of Journey lore.

A look inside Pineda's rise to fame and his struggles with rock 'n' roll stardom are the subject of a documentary that is playing at this week's Tribeca Film Festival.

"Don't Stop Believin'" is named after the band's hit anthem during the height of its success, and it represents Pineda's own inspirational rise from begging on the streets in Manila to singing around the world in large stadiums packed with fans.

Pineda, whose Filipino background initially surprised Journey fans who longed for the voice of former frontman Steve Perry, told Reuters he winced when watching himself on film.

"It was actually very difficult because, as we all know, I am not this Hollywood guy who looks great and tall," he said.

"But the other side of me was saying, this movie needs to be seen by a lot of people out there who have been dreaming to become somebody, to get recognized with their talents, with their God-given things they have in themselves."

HIGHS AND LOWS OF ROCK STARDOM

The documentary follows Pineda from his nervous first audition to being on the Journey tour bus and inside hotel rooms with the band. Audiences see how Pineda handles the fame back stage before a show, off stage signing autographs and on stage, sometimes while sick, on a grueling first tour in which he tries hard to live up to fans' expectations.

"It was difficult. We all have our limits, we get tired and whether we like it or not, we would feel itchy or not comfortable at some point. We just wanted our times alone. But since we signed up for it, whether we liked it or not we have to face the camera," Pineda said.

The worst part, he said, was the constant traveling without his family, being exhausted and trying to "sound golden all the time." But he adds that it was uplifting "when you see these fans, smiling, happy, hugging each other, crying when they hear their favorite songs."

It is difficult to know from watching "Don't Stop Believin'" whether Pineda, now 44, hit it off well with his new bandmates. He said that while on tour they share stories, but their ages -- several members the band's current lineup are in their 50s and 60s -- meant they often had different interests in life. Pineda called the Journey music their "common denominator."

Some critics said the film best captured the band's rejuvenation.

"Not unlike Journey itself, "Don't Stop Believin'" hits corny but impassioned notes, resonating emotionally even (or especially) through cliches. Certainly the film makes a case for the validity of the reformulated band," wrote the critic for show business publication Variety.

One of Pineda's biggest fears was living up to Journey's most famous lead singer, Perry, now 63, who left the band in 1987 and returned for three years in 1995.

"I had to convince them I was the real deal," Pineda said, who sang in clubs in throughout the Philippines and in Hong Kong but gave up his solo career when the Journey call came.

"This was the hardest thing that I have done in my life, though I've had my share of hardships," he said.

Pineda's hard times include being homeless for a time and begging for money on Manila's streets. He struggled with drugs and alcohol, and he filmmakers take him and his bandmates to some of his old Manila haunts in "Don't Stop Believin.'"

The group currently is on a break from touring and will start again in July. Pineda is spending most of his break in Manila, where he has three boys and is expecting a baby girl in July with his wife.

In the Philippines, his fame now is widespread. He is shown in the film meeting former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

"I try to live under the radar as much as possible," he said, even though he is constantly approached by fans for photographs, pep talks and events. "I tell myself, it makes them happy so why shouldn't I give it."

And most of all, he wants his tale to inspire everyone. "Life begins at 40," he said, "that's what they say."
Perry's good natured bonhomie & the world’s most charmin smile,knocked fans off their feet. Sportin a black tux,gigs came alive as he swished around the stage thrillin audiences w/ charisma that instantly burnt the oxygen right out of the venue.TR.com
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Postby brywool » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:36 am

conversationpc wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Don wrote:TRIBECA – Don’t stop believin’ | Arnel Pineda’s incredible journey

SAM WEISBERG
April 23, 2012

http://screencomment.com/2012/04/journey-documentary/


Happily, although Diaz mostly takes Journey’s cheesy theatrics seriously, she’s not afraid to make fun of their world at times. It’s impossible not to laugh at Pineda’s squeaky-clean dressing-room (lined with Evian, Throat Coat and boxes of Premium crackers), or his practicing scales backstage like a child preparing for a recital.[/i]


Not an Arnel fan at all, but how is this laughable or funny at all? This is pretty common practice among singers and performers that actually care about their craft and care about giving their fans their money's worth.


Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking. If that's what a singer has to do to keep their voice up to snuff and give the fans a good show, so be it.


Stupid comment from someone that has no idea what a singer has to do to get through another show. The singers that constantly drink and party end up without a voice. Arnel went through that in his younger years. He was lucky to get his voice back. Some singers went through it in their older years. I suppose the writer would say something similar to an Olympic runner stretching out.
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Postby Gideon » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:23 am

I don't think the remark was that offensive tbh.
'Nothing was bigger for Journey than 1981’s “Escape” album. “I have to attribute that to Jonathan coming in and joining the writing team,” Steve Perry (Feb 2012).'
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