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Postby annie89509 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:08 pm

steveo777 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:The little tidbit about SP not wanting to perform WYLAW at the grammy's is not "new" news. Seems Jon and/or Neal like to toss that out from time to time...along with..."the reason we haven't toured Europe for so long is because of Steve Perry!"

In light of these recent interviews, I'm going to have to reverse my supposition that the guys have moved on from their past issues with each other....lol


Old flames never die, they just twist the knives ever tighter. Hell, I was having a 'venge fest on a girlfriend, who's loins I haven't moistened for almost 30 years, just the other night. :lol: While people might leave your life, they really, never go away completely. They will always be a shadow of your past.


:shock: :oops: You really need to grow up! :lol:
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Postby brywool » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:46 am

Jeremey wrote: (3) Arnel sounded just enough like Perry but he could also sing Bon Jovi and Whitesnake, so he was versatile enough to cover whatever else was thrown his way (which to this date has been Perry covers, aside from the occasional post-Perry live performance).


Love ya Jeremey, but this is not an accurate statement.
Arnel's done two albums of NEW music in 4 years. That's two more than Perry's done in 16 years. This included doing a lot of those tunes (though only a few from Eclipse) live, and not occasionally, which have also been released on DVDs. The Revelation tour saw a lot of those songs being done live around the world. The Eclipse tour had a fair amount of those songs being done live too... until they got to America where we have the attention span of a 4-year old and just wanted to hear the DD.
To keep saying that all he does is "Sing the Perry covers" is not accurate. Why do people begrudge someone else's good fortune? Journey has said all along that "Steve's welcome to come up and sing anytime he wants". Neal shot his mouth off a time or two, but you know, paying a guy that did the work two decades ago as a sixth member of the band would drive any rational person nuts. Perry made his money from Journey. He still makes money off of royalties. There's no reason for him to make money as if he were out there touring. That'd bug any musician out there working. Royalties, sure. Tour pay? No. They KNOW Perry will never take them up on the offer to sit in.
Arnel has been (as Augeri was too) nothing but classy about the past. The dude deserves credit.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:55 am

brywool wrote:
Jeremey wrote: (3) Arnel sounded just enough like Perry but he could also sing Bon Jovi and Whitesnake, so he was versatile enough to cover whatever else was thrown his way (which to this date has been Perry covers, aside from the occasional post-Perry live performance).


The Eclipse tour had a fair amount of those songs being done live too... until they got to America where we have the attention span of a 4-year old and just wanted to hear the DD.


There's a certain amount of truth to that statement, sure. But I don't think even casual fans paid good money to see Journey mail it in for 70-75 minutes last year, bad attention span or not. They were the ones who booked the 3-band billing. And it was a total ripoff.
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Postby brywool » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:06 am

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Jeremey wrote: (3) Arnel sounded just enough like Perry but he could also sing Bon Jovi and Whitesnake, so he was versatile enough to cover whatever else was thrown his way (which to this date has been Perry covers, aside from the occasional post-Perry live performance).


The Eclipse tour had a fair amount of those songs being done live too... until they got to America where we have the attention span of a 4-year old and just wanted to hear the DD.


There's a certain amount of truth to that statement, sure. But I don't think even casual fans paid good money to see Journey mail it in for 70-75 minutes last year, bad attention span or not. They were the ones who booked the 3-band billing. And it was a total ripoff.


I have to agree with the mail it in deal, at least from the show I saw. To me, Arnel and Deen were giving 100%. Some of the others I kept waiting to see them look at their watches and then pull out their towels for nap time. The 3 band deal is how a lot of those classic rock bands now do tours. You can't blame them as it get people to the gigs. I don't blame the 3 bands for it, I blame the audience for never wanting to hear anything that they don't know. Lookat what happened with the 30 year tour when they did all that super old stuff. To me, I didn't know that stuff. However, it was still interesting to hear those songs, even though I didn't know them. And those old songs from the first three albums are nowhere as good as their new stuff now (my opinion). But the few bootlegs I heard, the crowd was just being incredibly rude to the band. Jeez, the show was like this 3 hour extravaganza and in the first half hour, everybody's griping. There's no attention span. It makes any of those older bands forced to just play the hits. That'd be dull as crap. I guarantee you, on this last tour, if they woulda busted out "Little Girl" or "La Raza Del Soul" the crowd would've booed them to hear "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". It blows. At least in Europe, they were really receptive to the newer stuff. Good for them.

Regarding "They're just using Perry's name for Press" comment someone made- the interviewer brought up Perry (as they always do), not the band.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:24 am

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brywool wrote:
Jeremey wrote: (3) Arnel sounded just enough like Perry but he could also sing Bon Jovi and Whitesnake, so he was versatile enough to cover whatever else was thrown his way (which to this date has been Perry covers, aside from the occasional post-Perry live performance).


The Eclipse tour had a fair amount of those songs being done live too... until they got to America where we have the attention span of a 4-year old and just wanted to hear the DD.


There's a certain amount of truth to that statement, sure. But I don't think even casual fans paid good money to see Journey mail it in for 70-75 minutes last year, bad attention span or not. They were the ones who booked the 3-band billing. And it was a total ripoff.


I have to agree with the mail it in deal, at least from the show I saw. To me, Arnel and Deen were giving 100%. Some of the others I kept waiting to see them look at their watches and then pull out their towels for nap time. The 3 band deal is how a lot of those classic rock bands now do tours. You can't blame them as it get people to the gigs. I don't blame the 3 bands for it, I blame the audience for never wanting to hear anything that they don't know. Lookat what happened with the 30 year tour when they did all that super old stuff. To me, I didn't know that stuff. However, it was still interesting to hear those songs, even though I didn't know them. And those old songs from the first three albums are nowhere as good as their new stuff now (my opinion). But the few bootlegs I heard, the crowd was just being incredibly rude to the band. Jeez, the show was like this 3 hour extravaganza and in the first half hour, everybody's griping. There's no attention span. It makes any of those older bands forced to just play the hits. That'd be dull as crap. I guarantee you, on this last tour, if they woulda busted out "Little Girl" or "La Raza Del Soul" the crowd would've booed them to hear "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". It blows. At least in Europe, they were really receptive to the newer stuff. Good for them.


I really have to disagree that the 3-band billing is necessary to draw the crowd. Maybe Styx, REO, and Night Ranger need the 3-band billing. But Journey has had more exposure than ANY of those contemporaries in the last 6 or 7 years with the Sopranos, Glee, most downloaded iTunes songs, new albums, the Arnel story, and hell, even the Salahi mess. If Journey and Foreigner went on a 2-band billing, that'd draw just as well and you could give the fans more of what they want.

And also, I think there's a happy medium between playing really obscure stuff like "Little Girl" and "Kohoutek" and giving more-than-casual-but-not-diehard fans something they want, like dropping "Suzanne," "Party's Over," "Mother, Father," "Just the Same Way," or "Chain Reaction" in there. In other words, stuff that's maybe good enough to make the Essential Journey but not well known enough to make a 10-12 song, 70-75 minute setlist. It's tough when you're a "legacy band," but like Deano used to say, show some balls and drop some good stuff there in the middle of the show for decent fans. If you finish the show with a 3-5 song barrage of big hits, those who were drunk, bored, and stupid will never remember anyway, and the more-than-casual fans will be happy, too.

I loved the 3-hour Gens setlist, of course, and that was a cool once-off tour to treat fans to (before we found out they were lippin it). But it's not realistic.
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Postby Jeremey » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:37 am

Bryan, I think you misunderstood the tongue in cheek meaning of that statement. I was meaning it to illustrate the "wishy washy" nature of Schon and Cain describing what it was they wanted from a singer. And Neal has gone on the record by stating that he was amazed by Arnel's covers of Whitesnake, Aerosmith, etc, which he seemed to imply differentiated him from a "clone" like myself. My aside was simply that the ability to sing Whitesnake and Bon Jovi covers (or mimic many of the other singers Arnel covered with The Zoo) has had little to do with his ability to sing for Journey. Some may disagree, it's not something I'd stand up for and argue, just a small observation from my viewpoint. I really hope that doesn't sound to people that I am begrudging Arnel??? It was supposed to be a comment about Schon and Cain's statements about what they wanted in a singer :wink:
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Postby Jeremey » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:39 am

And thanks to you guys for the shout outs LOL :D
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Postby musicfan17 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:58 am

Your Welcome!

Next to a new Cold Driven EP, "Every Little Thing" is the coolest album I've bought in the last twelve months. Since Cold Driven is in a totally different genre (Melodic Hard Rock/Metal) than you... that sorta puts you first Jeremey! :D
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:25 am

Uhmm..breaking news..Perry is NEVER going to sing on the same stage as Arnel. The man can't even acknowledge the existence of another Journey singer by being honest about listening to their new music. Never going to happen.
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Postby slucero » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:59 pm

brywool wrote:
Regarding "They're just using Perry's name for Press" comment someone made- the interviewer brought up Perry (as they always do), not the band.



The band may not have brought up Perry.. but the filmmaker brought Perry into the film..

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/ ... o-journey/

Q. So Steve Perry, Journey’s former lead singer, doesn’t have any interviews in the documentary. Did you approach him about being in it?

A. I always thought maybe down the line, we’ll ask for an interview with Perry. But as I started cutting the film, I found I didn’t feel a need for his interview, because it’s really Arnel’s story. It’s the story of Journey now. In the film, we go back in time and encapsulate 30 years of Journey into 5 minutes. So at the end of the day, I didn’t need his voice. But I’m happy we were able use his image, shots of him singing in the film. We showed his management all the footage we were going to use, and the context as well, and he signed off on it. It went rather smoothly.



So Perry has to know of Arnel... and since Perry is in the film... it makes sense that the band uses the association to sell it...

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Postby steveo777 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:08 pm

slucero wrote:
brywool wrote:
Regarding "They're just using Perry's name for Press" comment someone made- the interviewer brought up Perry (as they always do), not the band.



The band may not have brought up Perry.. but the filmmaker brought Perry into the film..

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/ ... o-journey/

Q. So Steve Perry, Journey’s former lead singer, doesn’t have any interviews in the documentary. Did you approach him about being in it?

A. I always thought maybe down the line, we’ll ask for an interview with Perry. But as I started cutting the film, I found I didn’t feel a need for his interview, because it’s really Arnel’s story. It’s the story of Journey now. In the film, we go back in time and encapsulate 30 years of Journey into 5 minutes. So at the end of the day, I didn’t need his voice. But I’m happy we were able use his image, shots of him singing in the film. We showed his management all the footage we were going to use, and the context as well, and he signed off on it. It went rather smoothly.



So Perry has to know of Arnel... and since Perry is in the film... it makes sense that the band uses the association to sell it...


Agreed. Also, SP didn't have any problem signing off. He'd never put his stamp of approval on anything he couldn't get behind. There might also be a small chance in Steve's head that this will help more albums that he sings on sell. More bux for him, how could he refuse? It was a good business decision for him to sign off and money talks! I doubt he really gives two shits about where the band is now....or Arnel, for that matter. Every minute this band is on stage makes his taxi make money, one way, or the other. Keep the meter running! :)
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Postby jrnyjetster » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:21 pm

slucero wrote:
So Perry has to know of Arnel... and since Perry is in the film... it makes sense that the band uses the association to sell it...


How could Perry NOT know of Arnel? He just refuses to publicly acknowledge him. Arnel is Journey's CASH COW right now and I'm sure Perry still loves those royalty checks... :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:23 pm

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slucero wrote:
So Perry has to know of Arnel... and since Perry is in the film... it makes sense that the band uses the association to sell it...


How could Perry NOT know of Arnel? He just refuses to publicly acknowledge him. Arnel is Journey's CASH COW right now and I'm sure Perry still loves those royalty checks... :wink:


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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:04 pm

Jeremey wrote:(3) Arnel sounded just enough like Perry but he could also sing Bon Jovi and Whitesnake, so he was versatile enough to cover whatever else was thrown his way (which to this date has been Perry covers, aside from the occasional post-Perry live performance).


brywool wrote:Love ya Jeremey, but this is not an accurate statement.

Arnel's done two albums of NEW music in 4 years. That's two more than Perry's done in 16 years.


Pretty "accurate." On Revelation, Arnel "spent an entire disc" mocking Steve Perry, and did not bother to write any of that supposed "NEW music." How many platinum albums and how many songs did Steve Perry write/co-write and how many did Pineda? Steve Perry is retired and Pineda spends his time copying Perry. Perry spends years helping/creating a legacy that has to be mocked, but yet you wish to bash him for retiring, while giving credit to AP for two albums of non-writing and maybe?

When one comes out karaoking in the manner of Pineda, one better have some mean creative skills in one's arsenal or one may have to become accustomed to being called what it is or appears to be.

brywool wrote:This included doing a lot of those tunes (though only a few from Eclipse) live, and not occasionally, which have also been released on DVDs. The Revelation tour saw a lot of those songs being done live around the world. The Eclipse tour had a fair amount of those songs being done live too... until they got to America where we have the attention span of a 4-year old and just wanted to hear the DD.


Yeah for all the good that did for they are back to playing the DD even that Da Do song. The "live around the world" comments did not have Eclipse blowing up the charts and/or selling. Night Ranger "sang their hits," but Journey seemed to have had "three issues." Guess VH and Bruce Springsteen avoid the ones with the "attention span of a 4-year old" when they play new songs.

brywool wrote:To keep saying that all he does is "Sing the Perry covers" is not accurate. Why do people begrudge someone else's good fortune?


Semantics maybe, but that is about all that's been done lately and probably will be done in the future so "he can sing anything" is irrelevant. The question is, who cares. Guess it's unavoidable if an artist sounds like another, but to make it your mission to sound-alike many can be disrespectful and insulting. So it is not "begrudge" as it is not able to respect.

You probably should progress not digress. Bottom line is no one wants to hear any new stuff.

brywool wrote:Journey has said all along that "Steve's welcome to come up and sing anytime he wants". Neal shot his mouth off a time or two, but you know, paying a guy that did the work two decades ago as a sixth member of the band would drive any rational person nuts. Perry made his money from Journey. He still makes money off of royalties. There's no reason for him to make money as if he were out there touring. That'd bug any musician out there working. Royalties, sure. Tour pay? No. They KNOW Perry will never take them up on the offer to sit in.


They are still playing the "work [from] two decades ago." If they paid him "as a sixth member" they should, for after all they have had "a series of SP sound-alikes to keep the franchise alive and profitable." "They use his cadence like their own personal property." They have basically stolen his vocal identity with s/one who seemingly has no artistic respect. AP should have come in co-writing "Never Walk Away" not the guy not chosen. SP should continue to make money " as if he is touring" for the music he helped create is what keeps them touring. I wonder does it "bug any musician" to be mocked. It is good "they KNOW" Perry will not go to that level, but guess they'll say w/ever to stay afloat when Youtube story and Eclipse are past/passed.

brywool wrote:Arnel has been (as Augeri was too) nothing but classy about the past. The dude deserves credit.


Guess "classy" is in the "eyes of the beholder." Steve Perry would be more akin to "classy. "Don't see respectable as singing your "idols' entry/exit songs in his former band when the friction is well-known. Pineda does not really sound like Perry, so he kinda mockingly copies, learned to "SNL" many, kinda like words just poured in. Augeri deceived the FANS by lipping and has been thrown under the bus/ignored by the band more times than one, but he manages to continue to tag along if allowed (kept in background).

Perhaps if Augeri had held his ground and not lipped, the band may have respected him more, and maybe he should have just stepped away instead of being forced. If Perry did show up at a concert, do not think they would hide him backstage even though some of you speak of "what he did to the band" or resentful that he continues to make money from his "blood, sweat and tears." No one passed a "torch" to him and with "GH" on the charts do not think he has passed a "torch."
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