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Postby Andrew » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:21 pm

Jeff did great....whole QE performance was top class.
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Postby AR » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:23 pm

Andrew wrote:Jeff did great....whole QE performance was top class.


Even the backflip? :P

I can't spin it. I didn't like it. I could barely hear Jeff. Still it was cool to see him on TV.
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Postby Deb » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:28 pm

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Andrew wrote:Jeff did great....whole QE performance was top class.


Even the backflip? :P

I can't spin it. I didn't like it. I could barely hear Jeff. Still it was cool to see him on TV.


It was one song on an AI stage, the tour is a 2+ hour show with a stellar production/design team. Pretty sure Jeff is going to be doing his fair share of the songs. But I really like alot of Queen songs, so I really enjoyed it. Have to say though I'm curious as all hell to see who is going to get which songs!
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Postby AR » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:36 pm

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Andrew wrote:Jeff did great....whole QE performance was top class.


Even the backflip? :P

I can't spin it. I didn't like it. I could barely hear Jeff. Still it was cool to see him on TV.


It was one song on an AI stage, the tour is a 2+ hour show with a stellar production/design team. Pretty sure Jeff is going to be doing his fair share of the songs. But I really like alot of Queen songs, so I really enjoyed it. Have to say though I'm curious as all hell to see who is going to get which songs!


But they didn't even scroll tour dates at the bottom of the screen while it was going on. How hard could that be? I get that they didn't have time to introduce the band. That show is fucking awful. It promo'd the tour a little but with short attention span audience = eh.

Not as great a promo for the tour as you might think given they are playing small theaters and clubs.
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Postby slucero » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:43 pm

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slucero wrote:Marc is not only a vocal doppelganger for Freddie.. he's a pretty humble fella... There's no way he won't be the main draw for the Queen Extravaganza..,

No one is gonna pay to see the guitarist, drummer and bass player who play note for note perfect performances of the originals..

People wanna hear those songs sung like the record... like Freddie... because Freddie's the one we miss.. and Marc is the closest they're gonna get...


I don't want it close, I just want it done well with a slightly different take. Jeff does that. So do others. If I want a clone I have many Queen DVD's to watch.

Clones are not at all interesting.

Didn't we all used to make fun of Elvis impersonators? :lol:

I also wish the douchebag guitarist who did the back flip would have fell on his fucking head!



ya that backpflip was lame...

That's just the thing with Marc tho... There's a point where it sonically crosses that point, that its not even spooky or tribut-ish, its just mesmerizing. With Marc I think it that point gets crossed.. his natural singing voice is SO similar to Freddie, in timbre and range.m that there is nothing forced or faked.


With Jeff.. while he can sing Queen with the same inflection and phonics... if he tied to imitate Freddie tonally would be obvious... his voice isn't tonally similar to Freddie's... Jeff knows this... and sings like himself.. and he sounds GREAT...
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Postby Don » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:44 pm

Err, I'll go with the George Michael version myself. Not an exact vocal replica of Mercury but definitely a better performance than tonight's in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYAR8Rig ... re=related
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Postby AR » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:48 pm

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slucero wrote:Marc is not only a vocal doppelganger for Freddie.. he's a pretty humble fella... There's no way he won't be the main draw for the Queen Extravaganza..,

No one is gonna pay to see the guitarist, drummer and bass player who play note for note perfect performances of the originals..

People wanna hear those songs sung like the record... like Freddie... because Freddie's the one we miss.. and Marc is the closest they're gonna get...


I don't want it close, I just want it done well with a slightly different take. Jeff does that. So do others. If I want a clone I have many Queen DVD's to watch.

Clones are not at all interesting.

Didn't we all used to make fun of Elvis impersonators? :lol:

I also wish the douchebag guitarist who did the back flip would have fell on his fucking head!





ya that backpflip was lame...

That's just the thing with Marc tho... There's a point where it sonically crosses that point, that its not even spooky or tribut-ish, its just mesmerizing. With Marc I think it that point gets crossed.. his natural singing voice is SO similar to Freddie, in timbre and range.m that there is nothing forced or faked.


With Jeff.. while he can sing Queen with the same inflection and phonics... if he tied to imitate Freddie tonally would be obvious... his voice isn't tonally similar to Freddie's... Jeff knows this... and sings like himself.. and he sounds GREAT...


I just can't take Marc. But sure he is talented. I don't begrudge him I just can't stand it.
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Postby Deb » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:21 pm

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ya that backpflip was lame...

That's just the thing with Marc tho... There's a point where it sonically crosses that point, that its not even spooky or tribut-ish, its just mesmerizing. With Marc I think it that point gets crossed.. his natural singing voice is SO similar to Freddie, in timbre and range.m that there is nothing forced or faked.


With Jeff.. while he can sing Queen with the same inflection and phonics... if he tied to imitate Freddie tonally would be obvious... his voice isn't tonally similar to Freddie's... Jeff knows this... and sings like himself.. and he sounds GREAT...


I pretty much agree, although on certain songs I find Jeff's tone very similar to Freddie's........like this one 'You're My Best Friend' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2JSUXaY-tw&ob=av2e Can't find Jeff's version from his Queen dvd to post, but IMO very similar.

Have to say Jennifer (the little redhead beside Jeff on AI tonight) has a hell of a voice too..... Bring Me To Life ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEFjFeMkAks

I think Jeff, Marc and Jennifer are going to put on a great Queen show vocally! I was concerned I was going to be impatient between JSS sung Queen songs, but Marc and Jennifer aren't bad at all. I think I'm going to really enjoy these 40+ songs......or, at least make the one's not sung by JSS go down a little easier.

Jeff's got some pretty cool pics from today on his Facebook. There is a cool one of him, Brian and Steven. Also a good one of him and Randy. Cool to see a pic of the two Journey Men....exactly 20 years apart....Randy '86 and Jeff '06. :)
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Postby slucero » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:29 pm

AR wrote:
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slucero wrote:Marc is not only a vocal doppelganger for Freddie.. he's a pretty humble fella... There's no way he won't be the main draw for the Queen Extravaganza..,

No one is gonna pay to see the guitarist, drummer and bass player who play note for note perfect performances of the originals..

People wanna hear those songs sung like the record... like Freddie... because Freddie's the one we miss.. and Marc is the closest they're gonna get...


I don't want it close, I just want it done well with a slightly different take. Jeff does that. So do others. If I want a clone I have many Queen DVD's to watch.

Clones are not at all interesting.

Didn't we all used to make fun of Elvis impersonators? :lol:

I also wish the douchebag guitarist who did the back flip would have fell on his fucking head!





ya that backpflip was lame...

That's just the thing with Marc tho... There's a point where it sonically crosses that point, that its not even spooky or tribut-ish, its just mesmerizing. With Marc I think it that point gets crossed.. his natural singing voice is SO similar to Freddie, in timbre and range.m that there is nothing forced or faked.


With Jeff.. while he can sing Queen with the same inflection and phonics... if he tied to imitate Freddie tonally would be obvious... his voice isn't tonally similar to Freddie's... Jeff knows this... and sings like himself.. and he sounds GREAT...


I just can't take Marc. But sure he is talented. I don't begrudge him I just can't stand it.


I'm afraid yer gonna be in the minority there brother... this fella Martel has paid his dues, he's no Youtube discovery..... he's been in the same band "Downhere" since 2001, and they've released 6 studio albums to date... been nominated for Juno awards (they're a Canadian band)... and have loads of other accolades...

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Postby AR » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:31 pm

slucero wrote:
AR wrote:
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slucero wrote:Marc is not only a vocal doppelganger for Freddie.. he's a pretty humble fella... There's no way he won't be the main draw for the Queen Extravaganza..,

No one is gonna pay to see the guitarist, drummer and bass player who play note for note perfect performances of the originals..

People wanna hear those songs sung like the record... like Freddie... because Freddie's the one we miss.. and Marc is the closest they're gonna get...


I don't want it close, I just want it done well with a slightly different take. Jeff does that. So do others. If I want a clone I have many Queen DVD's to watch.

Clones are not at all interesting.

Didn't we all used to make fun of Elvis impersonators? :lol:

I also wish the douchebag guitarist who did the back flip would have fell on his fucking head!





ya that backpflip was lame...

That's just the thing with Marc tho... There's a point where it sonically crosses that point, that its not even spooky or tribut-ish, its just mesmerizing. With Marc I think it that point gets crossed.. his natural singing voice is SO similar to Freddie, in timbre and range.m that there is nothing forced or faked.


With Jeff.. while he can sing Queen with the same inflection and phonics... if he tied to imitate Freddie tonally would be obvious... his voice isn't tonally similar to Freddie's... Jeff knows this... and sings like himself.. and he sounds GREAT...


I just can't take Marc. But sure he is talented. I don't begrudge him I just can't stand it.


I'm afraid yer gonna be in the minority there brother... this fella Martel has paid his dues, he's no Youtube discovery..... he's been in the same band "Downhere" since 2001, and they've released 6 studio albums to date... been nominated for Juno awards (they're a Canadian band)... and have loads of other accolades...


There is nothing that turns me off more about music today than when I hear the words "He sounds just like.............."
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Postby SunshineTwilight » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:17 pm

Here are some cool photos that Jeff posted on Facebook! 8)

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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:38 pm

I think the main singer was amazing, and honestly I wish it would have just been him out there with Queen. He's amazing, and the closest out there by a mile. I didn't care for watching a whole group of singers out there doing their awkward fist pumping, and it looked very unnatural. Also, the other singers (no disrespect to Jeff) sound nothing like Freddie. Just give me a show with the main singer, the guys from queen, and I'd pay good money for that ticket! :wink:
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Postby AR » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:06 pm

G.I.Jim wrote:I think the main singer was amazing, and honestly I wish it would have just been him out there with Queen. He's amazing, and the closest out there by a mile. I didn't care for watching a whole group of singers out there doing their awkward fist pumping, and it looked very unnatural. Also, the other singers (no disrespect to Jeff) sound nothing like Freddie. Just give me a show with the main singer, the guys from queen, and I'd pay good money for that ticket! :wink:


I have a ticket to see the show, but wouldn't be going if it was just Martel. It's too creepy. Maybe he can tour with Tommy DeCarlo and whoever is imitating Jon Anderson in Yes these days.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:18 pm

This clip is beyond embarrassing. It's like a clip straight from Glee. The only thing that's missing is cocks protruding from every male's ass as the song goes on. The singing is overblown. The other guitar players are shit. The backflip is lame and smacks of trying way too hard. JSS fits in with the other singers about as well as Arnel with Journey.

You know those times when you're watching someone speak in public and they're clearly nervous or just doing an overall bad job? You know how you start getting embarrassed FOR them? Yeah, that's how I felt watching this. This shit is so hokey it feels like Will Ferrell drew it up for a sequel to the "Don't Fear the Reaper" cowbell skit on SNL.

I thought education was cheaper in Europe. By the looks of things, Brian May needs some money to pay off his astrology PhD loans or something.
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Postby SF-Dano » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:06 am

So let me get this straight....A "clone" singer is alright for some bands, but not others. OK, I am following the logic...not.

And isn't it funny how Mr. May's belief system changes when there are a few extra bucks for him to make and stuff in his pocket. Never underestimate the power of money, or place to much credence in the words of a successful rock musician.
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Postby Don » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:13 am

I think they are using the clone singer for the tribute band only. Lambert, who is definitely not a clone will be for the real band.
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Postby donnaplease » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:50 am

Jeff is too incredible on the Queen songs to be reduced to a background singer. It really made my heart sink to watch that, but then he was able to move around a little and his personality shone through. I couldn't really hear him at the end though. I'm going to see QE in June, and I'm hoping they allow Jeff more freedom to be himself and to wow everyone there like he has me.

Martel was pretty good, and the backflip dude was a total jerkoff.
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Postby Gideon » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:25 am

Don wrote:Err, I'll go with the George Michael version myself. Not an exact vocal replica of Mercury but definitely a better performance than tonight's in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYAR8Rig ... re=related


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Postby AR » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:11 am

The only way I will ever watch that awful show again is if Lemmy Kilmister appears on American Idol.
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Postby tater1977 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:25 am

AR wrote:The only way I will ever watch that awful show again is if Lemmy Kilmister appears on American Idol.



Appearing next week on American Idol ..."Lemmy Kilmister" ..... :lol:
Perry's good natured bonhomie & the world’s most charmin smile,knocked fans off their feet. Sportin a black tux,gigs came alive as he swished around the stage thrillin audiences w/ charisma that instantly burnt the oxygen right out of the venue.TR.com
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Postby AR » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:31 am

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AR wrote:The only way I will ever watch that awful show again is if Lemmy Kilmister appears on American Idol.



Appearing next week on American Idol ..."Lemmy Kilmister" ..... :lol:


As a contestant. :shock:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:35 am

SF-Dano wrote:So let me get this straight....A "clone" singer is alright for some bands, but not others. OK, I am following the logic...not.

And isn't it funny how Mr. May's belief system changes when there are a few extra bucks for him to make and stuff in his pocket. Never underestimate the power of money, or place to much credence in the words of a successful rock musician.


My thoughts exactly man. I don't like Arnel and will never see Journey again after wasting money on them last summer, but the hypocrisy is still stunning.
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Postby tater1977 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:49 am

AR wrote:
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AR wrote:The only way I will ever watch that awful show again is if Lemmy Kilmister appears on American Idol.



Appearing next week on American Idol ..."Lemmy Kilmister" ..... :lol:


As a contestant. :shock:


:lol: :shock: :lol:
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Postby slucero » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:44 am

Don't be too surprised when Lambert does a "few songs"... then bows out due to "Artistic differences"... and Queen drafts Martel...

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Postby AR » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:58 am

slucero wrote:Don't be too surprised when Lambert does a "few songs"... then bows out due to "Artistic differences"... and Queen drafts Martel...


Up Martel's ass much?
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Postby slucero » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:43 pm

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slucero wrote:Don't be too surprised when Lambert does a "few songs"... then bows out due to "Artistic differences"... and Queen drafts Martel...


Up Martel's ass much?



wow that was adult... nice.... way to turn my comment about Lambert/Queen into a personal attack at me...

Just thinking the Lambert/Queen thing through... I'd really be surprised if Lambert joins Queen... he's "out"... Freddie was not.. he's a solo artist... Freddie was a "band guy"... Lambert never has been...

suck cock and swallow much Ed? (see I can make it personal too.. or would you like to act more civilized and stay on topic?)

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Postby strangegrey » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:55 pm

Sorry guys, I know I'm late to the game, but I thought Martel was brilliant and JSS's background role was appropriate here. I love JSS, but I think the idea with a 'tribute' is to replicate the sound....so with that in mind, I gotta disagree with you, Ed (and whomever else seems mad about JSS not being 'the lead singer')

JSS doesn't sound like Mercury. And that's a good thing. I love his last album and if this were 1986 and iit were in cassette form, I would have likely bought a second copy after wearing out the first. But he does not sound like Freddie. Has he done fantastic interpretations of Queen songs? You bet. But not once can you close your eyes and go "Wow, that's queen I'm listening to" Instead you close your eyes and go "That's JSS singing queen". His voice is identifiable....

and for a tribute, that's bad.

This is different than Journey (or in this case Queen) bringing on a singer in an attempt to move forward, record new music, bring the band in different directions. This is a band purposely and intentionally putting together a traveling tribute show to present it's more than 2 decade history of music. I can't possibly see how "He sounds just like..." is at all bad. In fact, I can't possibly see how "He sounds just like..." could be anything other than exactly what they need!

I'd be willing to bet that if Jeff came in here and read my post, he might actually agree with me. I think it's really cool of Jeff to be a part of this, in a way that's complementary. Not a lot of lead singers (yes, there *is* such a thing as LSD) would agree to taking a back seat for the good of the music....and Jeff again proves that he's not your typical lead singer with ego issues. He's willing to play a part that works, instead of going "If you want me, I have to be the lead singer, because I'm the only well-known guy here" or something I would imagine Michael Eden (or insert crazy lead singer here) doing.


Oh, one other thing...I think the comments made by Brian May about Paul Rogers and Queen aren't valid here....and here's why. I'd be will to bet that, deep down, under the surface, May and Taylor were looking long range. They were likely going to explore the idea of taking Queen in this new direction with Paul...if it worked. They toured to test the waters...and during said tour, the made statements about not getting someone that sounds like Mercury, so people would feel better about supporting it, with ticket purchases....but underneath the skin, I would bet my left testicle, that Brian and Roger were thinking "what if this works, we can move forward again."

Much different set of circumstances here with this tribute. They're not looking to 'interpret' queen. They're looking to create a tribute show, endorsed by the band, so people can see and hear the music in a way that triggers memories....with a very clear and firm finality to it.


p.s. I will say this...the "see and hear" bit I just said above has its issues. The "hear" bit works here. But I really think that the two guitarists (one doing back flips), the multiple singers, etc...doesn't work for me. I would have rather "seen" queen (to whatever extent possible) as much as hear them in this tribute. For me, that's one guitarist playing through a cranked, treble boosted AC30, a bassist, a drummer and a singer that has some of Mercury's look and moves down (which they have in spades with Martel). Too bad they have to water this down with all of the extra players, it would have been cooler to me if it were a band constructed with eyes on the same 'pieces of the puzzle' that Queen had.
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Postby AR » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:44 am

A couple of posts from a Queen message forum.

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The Glee-ification of Queen makes me fucking sick.

I've had to fight against people thinking queen were popularist naff commercial fluff for decades and now this.

I will always have my childhood memories of listening to Queen, and discovering their majesty, but now I would not go out of my way to even nod at Roger or Brian in the street



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Couldn't have said it any better myself. Now in a town near you: the Queen Circus Orchestra Extravaganza Thingy. Doing everything they said they'd never do. Come and see!


I'm going because Jeff is on it but Martel gives me the creeps.
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Postby strangegrey » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:25 am

AR wrote:A couple of posts from a Queen message forum.

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The Glee-ification of Queen makes me fucking sick.

I've had to fight against people thinking queen were popularist naff commercial fluff for decades and now this.

I will always have my childhood memories of listening to Queen, and discovering their majesty, but now I would not go out of my way to even nod at Roger or Brian in the street



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Couldn't have said it any better myself. Now in a town near you: the Queen Circus Orchestra Extravaganza Thingy. Doing everything they said they'd never do. Come and see!


I'm going because Jeff is on it but Martel gives me the creeps.


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Postby AR » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:35 am

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slucero wrote:Don't be too surprised when Lambert does a "few songs"... then bows out due to "Artistic differences"... and Queen drafts Martel...


Up Martel's ass much?



wow that was adult... nice.... way to turn my comment about Lambert/Queen into a personal attack at me...

Just thinking the Lambert/Queen thing through... I'd really be surprised if Lambert joins Queen... he's "out"... Freddie was not.. he's a solo artist... Freddie was a "band guy"... Lambert never has been...

suck cock and swallow much Ed? (see I can make it personal too.. or would you like to act more civilized and stay on topic?)


I wasn't going to respond to this, but I do have to say, you do know how tame "up someone's ass" is compared to the old days with me, Dean, Saint John and others right? :wink:

We are all adults acting like children and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Chill out and your signature couldn't be more correct.

Hoping to get a quick BJ from Martel on June 8th if he swallows. :o
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