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by AR » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:19 am

Adding this too. Ross and Deen are really cool guys. Cain isn't too bad and nice enough. Schon is an asshole.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:25 am

How do you know so much about it? Tell me, were you actually right there in the same room and there for as much time as the rest of the band? If so, I will say "you got a point". However, if "we" are just "hearing" stuff through the grapevine, how then can any of it be proven fiction from fact?

I have my own reasons for being fond of Arnel and his association with the band. However, this fondness is not blinders. I would have to get facts straight from the sources before making any determinations on what did or did not happen. More importantly, to me anyways, it wouldn't matter what his status was regarded as. It would make no difference to me. Like arguing why the sun isn't shining green, just be happy that it's shining at all. Meaning, in this case, if you like JSS, then be happy that he was singing for Journey.

AR wrote:
Deb wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:Around that time period, I worked for my brother, T-Time & we officially were the sole provider for Neal's t-shirts for Journey's website (Neal's Afro Society.) I stood there and witnessed my brother talk to Steve Toomey (who we met in Vegas) to where he told us that Soto ended up being ousted because of personality issues. This was more than one conversation over the telephone. I'm sure there's more to the story and noone will truly know why and how it happened (even JSS is probably still confused) but Toomey told us it was character issues. Take it with a grain of salt but it wasn't because they didn't think he could hack it. He clearly could but they simply changed their mind in mid-sentence.

Yeah, shame he was too much frontman for the Princess. Seeing Neal and Jeff's work together in Soul Sirkus, all that testostrone probably scared the hell out of him.

I find it ironic that some on here (SJ, etc.) give JSS a hard time and never miss a beat posting how they thought Jeff was too open with the fans, discussing businesss decisions, etc. Funny how anybody else in the Journey camp isn't held to that same standard.

Just terrible that Jeff is fan friendly isn't it?

Steve Augeri was/is very fan friendly too as is Jeremey, and I am pretty sure Arnel is as well from what I have been told.

Neal Schon is a douchebag. Period.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:52 am

AR wrote:Adding this too. Ross and Deen are really cool guys. Cain isn't too bad and nice enough. Schon is an asshole.

I'd hesitate to call anyone who looks like the 2012 version of Deen "cool." :lol:

by AR » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:59 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
AR wrote:Adding this too. Ross and Deen are really cool guys. Cain isn't too bad and nice enough. Schon is an asshole.

I'd hesitate to call anyone who looks like the 2012 version of Deen "cool."

Well it was all 6 years ago so for me so................. :lol:

by AR » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:00 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:How do you know so much about it? Tell me, were you actually right there in the same room and there for as much time as the rest of the band? If so, I will say "you got a point". However, if "we" are just "hearing" stuff through the grapevine, how then can any of it be proven fiction from fact?

Yes I was. Rockindeano and I - Atlantic City and Boston 2006. Ask around.

Ground zero through it all.

Website · by **steveo777** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:02 am

With all the criticism coming out you'd think the concert season was about to start.

by **YoungJRNY** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:34 pm

I can't count how many times this conversation took place. I mean, does it really matter? All I know is, when it's time to rock out, it's time to rock out. I love Journey so, I'll enjoy it anyway I can get it.

by **Liam** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:55 pm

Try headphones. LOL

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:10 pm

AR wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:How do you know so much about it? Tell me, were you actually right there in the same room and there for as much time as the rest of the band? If so, I will say "you got a point". However, if "we" are just "hearing" stuff through the grapevine, how then can any of it be proven fiction from fact?

Yes I was. Rockindeano and I - Atlantic City and Boston 2006. Ask around.

Ground zero through it all.

So what happened in Atlantic City and Boston in 2006?

by **Yoda** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:39 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I've not read any official literature anywhere on the internet that lists JSS as either a current or past member of the band ever.

It was announced on Journey's website.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:47 am

I'll just wait for the band's official autobiography to be published before I make any conclusions. It's obvious that "facts" our simply suggested depending on who is writing the article. There has to be a criteria for every category of status whether it be temporary, fill-in, permanent (with royalties), etc.

Personally I think people are just spending way too much time and energy crying over spilt milk and/or getting involved in someone else’s business with a bias based on personal preferences and favoritism.

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

by AR » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:35 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'll just wait for the band's official autobiography to be published before I make any conclusions. It's obvious that "facts" our simply suggested depending on who is writing the article. There has to be a criteria for every category of status whether it be temporary, fill-in, permanent (with royalties), etc.

Personally I think people are just spending way too much time and energy crying over spilt milk and/or getting involved in someone else’s business with a bias based on personal preferences and favoritism.

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

Don't assume that some of us aren't more privy to what went down than you. We are but it's not going to be aired out here. However if you use Mr. Searchy you will find some stuff.

I wish Arnel well, but just do not support anything Neal Schon does. That's all.

Any "official" autobiography will be a pack of lies.

by **Yoda** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:05 am

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla ... emID=64066

Jeff Scott Soto (TALISMAN, YNGWIE MALMSTEEN, SOUL SIRKUS) has been officially named the new lead singer of JOURNEY. He had been filling in for Steve Augeri, who had to leave the U.S. tour with DEF LEPPARD shortly after it began on June 23 due to illness.

"We are so grateful to Steve for all the years he dedicated to JOURNEY," says JOURNEY in a joint statement. "We thank Steve for all his hard work and we wish him only the best in his future endeavors. Over the past few months, we've come to realize that Jeff has proven himself above and beyond that he can sing the hell out of our songs and we're happy to officially welcome him as part of the family. We're excited to start a new chapter with Jeff and we're excited about what the future may bring.”

Steve Augeri states: "Singing for JOURNEY these last eight years have been the most challenging and the most rewarding of my career. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the band, and especially the fans, for the privilege of being part of a musical legacy that has touched so many hearts and souls. I wish my fellow bandmates success and happiness as they continue to make great music in the future, as I will strive to do the same myself."

Jeff Soto also adds, "With delight and pleasure, I am accepting the offer to continue my tenure with JOURNEY now as their permanent vocalist after the amazing past months we've spent together on tour. I also pay high respect to Steve Augeri for coming in and helping JOURNEY continue their legacy for nearly the last decade and to Steve Perry for co-creating this legacy. I hope to now add and help drive JOURNEY into the next stage of this band's future."

Since Soto's first appearance with Journey on July 7 in Bristow, VA, his performances have been garnering rave reviews.

Steve Augeri is currently recording his debut solo album, "In the Moment", due out the summer of 2007. He's also putting the finishing touches on the much-anticipated follow-up to the AOR classic TALL STORIES album, launching early next year.

JOURNEY — Neal Schon (guitar), Ross Valory (bass), Jonathan Cain (keyboards), Deen Castronovo (drums) and Jeff Scott Soto (vocals) — are currently mapping out plans for 2007.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I mean really, I found this posted in less than a minute. :lol:

by **Don** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:38 am

Don wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'm not a lawyer but "Welcome to the family" is broad and ambiguous. So what is the definition of, and by whom is making "the family" reference? Hell, isn't it a fair statement that "family" could also include fans, roadies, personal friends of the band, etc. etc?

I don't know. I wasn't at all involved with any of these discussions back when JSS was involved in the band I guess. Could be, but it seems the band did a whole lot more to say Arnel Pineda is the lead singer for the band then the band did to say JSS as a lead singer for the band. Obviously there was a huge difference between the two.

It will definitely be interesting to read the band's autobiography if ever one is published.

Dude, it's from Journey's own website, what the fuck else do you want?

http://web.archive.org/web/200701042055 ... ndex2.html

If Journey's own website isn't proof enough, what is?

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:30 am

It apears your mind is completely closed off to anything that you don't want to believe. To each thier own. Obviously there are those out there who believe JSS was on temporary assignment with the band. After reading that, I wanted to know so I looked into it and didn't see that JSS apears in the official listings as "past band members".

These items your posting for me, these are articles written in the past. I'm looking for articles that are current writings about the past. I'll review what you've posted and see if any of them match the criteria I'm asking about. I'm looking for current articles discussing the official past of the band. Does the official Journey site have an official listing of who past members of the band are? If so I'll be happy to look at that to see if the person who mentioned JSS as a "stand-in" a number of posts back on this thread, is an accurate statement.

by AR » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:42 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:It apears your mind is completely closed off to anything that you don't want to believe. To each thier own. Obviously there are those out there who believe JSS was on temporary assignment with the band. After reading that, I looked into it and didn't see that JSS apears in the official listings as "past band members".

These items your posting for me, these are articles written in the past. I'm looking for articles that are current writings about the past. I'll review what you've posted and see if any of them match the criteria I'm asking about. I'm looking for current articles discussing the official past of the band. Does the official Journey site have an official listing of who past members of the band are? If so I'll be happy to look at that to see if the person who mentioned JSS as a "stand-in" is an accurate statement.

You will never see CURRENT writings about the past. It is not in the band's best interest.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:43 am

I'll check out the official band website just for shits and giggles to see if they have a listing of past and current members.

by **Don** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:47 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:It apears your mind is completely closed off to anything that you don't want to believe. To each thier own. Obviously there are those out there who believe JSS was on temporary assignment with the band. After reading that, I wanted to know so I looked into it and didn't see that JSS apears in the official listings as "past band members".

These items your posting for me, these are articles written in the past. I'm looking for articles that are current writings about the past. I'll review what you've posted and see if any of them match the criteria I'm asking about. I'm looking for current articles discussing the official past of the band. Does the official Journey site have an official listing of who past members of the band are? If so I'll be happy to look at that to see if the person who mentioned JSS as a "stand-in" a number of posts back on this thread, is an accurate statement.

Can you not see the picture above your post from Journey's official site in 2006? Your problem is you are another one of those Johnny come lately's who didn't give a hoot about the band until they hired the little brown brother. Like many other new ethnic fans of the band, your knowledge of What Journey was before that point is nonexistent.

by **Yoda** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:15 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:It apears your mind is completely closed off to anything that you don't want to believe. To each thier own. Obviously there are those out there who believe JSS was on temporary assignment with the band. After reading that, I looked into it and didn't see that JSS apears in the official listings as "past band members".

These items your posting for me, these are articles written in the past. I'm looking for articles, comments that are current writings about the past. I'll review what you've posted and see if any of them match the criteria I'm asking about. I'm looking for current articles discussing the official past of the band. Does the official Journey site have a current article discussing official past members? If so I'll be happy to look at that to see if the person who mentioned JSS as a stand-in is an accurate fact.

No, it's just our minds are completely closed to anything you want to believe, because we have printed proof, written statements from the band AND Jeff that contradict your belief. Just because the website, now, completely ignores anything that happened in 2006 does not mean it suddenly never existed. I mean, unless you were in a coma between 2006-2007 and/or did not know who Journey was at the time, it would be kind of hard to say Jeff was never announced as official lead singer with a straight face.

by **Don** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:19 am

Journey's current bio doesn't mention them touring with Def Leppard in 2007 either.

This show never happened, it's all in your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWP3OwR ... 82EFB1A640

by **Liam** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:50 am

That might've been a one off thing, right??? JESUS. lol

by **Eric** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:56 am

Don wrote:Journey's current bio doesn't mention them touring with Def Leppard in 2007 either.

This show never happened, it's all in your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWP3OwR ... 82EFB1A640

Alone at the start of 2007 in Europe....20ish date. Some very good setlists and clips, too.

by **Don** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:01 am

The bio jumps from Augeri leaving in 2006 to Neal surfing the internet for singers. No Def Leppard, no JSS, no Jeremey (despite him having a hand on NWA) the bio is just blank over those 18 months.

by **Deb** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:03 am

Don wrote:Journey's current bio doesn't mention them touring with Def Leppard in 2007 either.

This show never happened, it's all in your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWP3OwR ... 82EFB1A640

That's too bad, I woulda killed to hear Jeff do I'll Be Alright Without You w/Journey.

With his delivery, I bet he'd be able to bring it in spades on that one......

by **Liam** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:09 am

Here ya go, Deb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

by AR » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:11 am

Deb wrote:
Don wrote:Journey's current bio doesn't mention them touring with Def Leppard in 2007 either.

This show never happened, it's all in your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWP3OwR ... 82EFB1A640

That's too bad, I woulda killed to hear Jeff do I'll Be Alright Without You w/Journey. With his delivery, I bet he'd be able to bring it in spades on that one......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

:wink:

by **Liam** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:14 am

AR wrote:
Deb wrote:
Don wrote:Journey's current bio doesn't mention them touring with Def Leppard in 2007 either.

This show never happened, it's all in your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWP3OwR ... 82EFB1A640

That's too bad, I woulda killed to hear Jeff do I'll Be Alright Without You w/Journey. With his delivery, I bet he'd be able to bring it in spades on that one......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

I guess you had more right to post it than I did. I got the damn thing from you. :lol:

by **Deb** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:24 am

Liam wrote:Here ya go, Deb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

LOL, I was being a smartass you two.

But thanks, cool to see again. I've posted many times how that was THE performance that brought this diehard Perry fan back around to Journey again. As close to Perry's soulful delivery as I'd ever heard. Alas, was too short lived.

Oh well, Mr Big has re-united & Jeff is still performing live and in projects........so all is well in my music world. Big kudos to Journey though for introducing another singer to Deb's favorite (emoter) vocalist list. Very short list indeed. :mrgreen:

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:30 am

Don wrote:The bio jumps from Augeri leaving in 2006 to Neal surfing the internet for singers. No Def Leppard, no JSS, no Jeremey (despite him having a hand on NWA) the bio is just blank over those 18 months.

So what do you think the reason for the bio jumping like that is?

by **Liam** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:37 am

Why was Dennis DeYoung never in Styx according to their Bio?

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