with Rascal Flatts

[Liam]

Oh wait...there's a mention of him in Chuck Panozzo's bio.

[portland]

I'll just wait for the band's official autobiography to be published before I make any conclusions. It's obvious that "facts" our simply suggested depending on who is writing the article. There has to be a criteria for every category of status whether it be temporary, fill-in, permanent (with royalties), etc.

Personally I think people are just spending way too much time and energy crying over spilt milk and/or getting involved in someone else’s business with a bias based on personal preferences and favoritism.

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

You obvioulsly live in different universe if you think that this will ever see the light of day...or it will be the truth.

[portland]

It apears your mind is completely closed off to anything that you don't want to believe. To each thier own. Obviously there are those out there who believe JSS was on temporary assignment with the band. After reading that, I wanted to know so I looked into it and didn't see that JSS apears in the official listings as "past band members".

These items your posting for me, these are articles written in the past. I'm looking for articles that are current writings about the past. I'll review what you've posted and see if any of them match the criteria I'm asking about. I'm looking for current articles discussing the official past of the band. Does the official Journey site have an official listing of who past members of the band are? If so I'll be happy to look at that to see if the person who mentioned JSS as a "stand-in" a number of posts back on this thread, is an accurate statement.

Can you not see the picture above your post from Journey's official site in 2006? Your problem is you are another one of those Johnny come lately's who didn't give a hoot about the band until they hired the little brown brother. Like many other new ethnic fans of the band, your knowledge of What Journey was before that point is nonexistent.

Yeah like not knowing the songs from any other CD then the ones AP sang/copied...yeah..

[artist4perry]

Loved it. Was nice treat to be flipping the channels and to find Journey singing live on CMT!

[Liam]

Was Steve Perry REALLY ever in the band??

[The Sushi Hunter]

Why was Dennis DeYoung never in Styx according to their Bio?

Not sure of the bio that your looking at but what I see in reference to past members for Styx is:

Dennis DeYoung
John Panozzo
John “J.C.” Curulewski
Glen Burtnik

[Liam]

OH...they must've updated the bio. That's surprising. It used to not be like that.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Was Steve Perry REALLY ever in the band??

Depends on how old you are? If your currently a teen, then perhaps to them..... no, since teens weren't alive when SP was in the band and they really couldn't care less what happened with the band before they were alive.....in most cases.

[The Sushi Hunter]

OH...they must've updated the bio. That's surprising. It used to not be like that.

I think its more like our resources are two different places.

[Liam]

And it's sad, 'cause THAT'S where the magic was. Listen to where most of the songs came from.

[portland]

Was Steve Perry REALLY ever in the band??

Depends on how old you are? If your currently a teen, then perhaps to them..... no, since teens weren't alive when SP was in the band and they really couldn't care less what happened with the band before they were alive.....in most cases.

Well actually they do as the songs that are on Glee and the radio are sung by Perry. My son is 11 and
his friends love Journey and they actually know who Steve Perry is if you ask them who he is they will say he is singer of Journey..you know they sang DSB...actually they have less of an idea who AP or the other full in of the moment are.

[Liam]

OH...they must've updated the bio. That's surprising. It used to not be like that.

I think its more like our resources are two different places.

Styxworld.com used to not mention him at all.

[Don]

The funny thing with these young fans is when they tweet from Journey concerts, the question is not who is Steve Perry but where is Steve Perry and who is the little Asian dude that no one seems to know the name of.

[Deb]

Was Steve Perry REALLY ever in the band??

Depends on how old you are? If your currently a teen, then perhaps to them..... no, since teens weren't alive when SP was in the band and they really couldn't care less what happened with the band before they were alive.....in most cases.

You don't give teens nowadays enough credit. They seem to know alot more about bands than we ever did at that age. I could barely name a few members of those 60s bands that my parents were into. But this generation knows it's music, especially classic rock. My daughter knows Steve Perry was the original singer of Journey (granted probably cuz her mom does ) and other classic bands. When it comes to classic rock bands, my nephew can tell you who was in what band when (especially original members) and some of of those bands were before he was alive as well. He knows who the original singers for bands like ACDC, Van Halen, CCR, Eagles, etc etc. and from what I can tell that is quite the norm especially when it comes to the boys. Probably because they don't have that many great guitar gods, vocalists, actual musicians, etc. from this generation and have to look back to ours.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The funny thing with these young fans is when they tweet from Journey concerts, the question is not who is Steve Perry but where is Steve Perry and who is the little Asian dude that no one seems to know the name of.

Why would anyone have to tweet that question. Even I know where Steve Perry is during a Journey concert. He's at home sleeping, past his bedtime, you know...... old people have to hit the hay early.

[donnaplease]

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

What if they refer to him as a "fill in" for the next singer, if there is one? I can't believe you're not willing to take the word of the band's own official website that JSS was made the lead singer in 12/06...

[The Sushi Hunter]

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

What if they refer to him as a "fill in" for the next singer, if there is one? I can't believe you're not willing to take the word of the band's own official website that JSS was made the lead singer in 12/06...

What I was simply doing is following up on the comment that someone eary on in this thread had mentioned, claiming JSS was a "stand-in". That's all. After reading that, I looked around to see where I could find any info to either confirm or deny, and all I found from most was denial.

[The Sushi Hunter]

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

What if they refer to him as a "fill in" for the next singer, if there is one? I can't believe you're not willing to take the word of the band's own official website that JSS was made the lead singer in 12/06...

What I was simply doing is following up on the comment that someone eary on in this thread had mentioned, claiming JSS was a "stand-in". That's all. After reading that, I looked around to see where I could find any info to either confirm or deny, and all I found from most was some form of denial.

[Liam]

One thing for certain and I guarantee it, if AP is ever booted from the band regardless of the reasons or speculations, you will not see any posts by me bitching, pointing fingers, creating scapegoats, crying over it, etc. etc. etc.

What if they refer to him as a "fill in" for the next singer, if there is one? I can't believe you're not willing to take the word of the band's own official website that JSS was made the lead singer in 12/06...

Not to mention the people who were HERE through that whole thing.

[donnaplease]

The bio jumps from Augeri leaving in 2006 to Neal surfing the internet for singers. No Def Leppard, no JSS, no Jeremey (despite him having a hand on NWA) the bio is just blank over those 18 months.

So what do you think the reason for the bio jumping like that is?

They're assholes.

[Deb]

The bio jumps from Augeri leaving in 2006 to Neal surfing the internet for singers. No Def Leppard, no JSS, no Jeremey (despite him having a hand on NWA) the bio is just blank over those 18 months.

So what do you think the reason for the bio jumping like that is?

Shame.......at being caught lip syncing. And I would hope a little guilt as to how band mates and so called friends JSS and Augeri were treated. Course their going to brush that whole live to tape episode under the carpet.

[donnaplease]

Well actually they do as the songs that are on Glee and the radio are sung by Perry. My son is 11 and
his friends love Journey and they actually know who Steve Perry is if you ask them who he is they will say he is singer of Journey..you know they sang DSB...actually they have less of an idea who AP or the other full in of the moment are.

Ha! My daughter is 11 too and LOVES Steve Perry. Like her momma, she thinks he's hawt!!!

[donnaplease]

There's no official proof that Arnel was ever really homeless. Is that all a lie too? Perhaps we shouldn't believe his sob story unless we can see the box that he lived in...

*SA never lipped - Neal didn't have him in his earpiece so he didn't know what the hell everyone was blathering about...
*SA only used a mic that was an exact replica - to scale - of Neal's afro in the mid-to-late 70's because he liked how it tickled his adam's apple and eyebrows...

Come on people, I'm sure there's many more tall tales where those came from, just like the "JSS was never officially named lead singer of Journey" story. Whatcha got?

On a somewhat related note, did anyone notice the layout of the picture that was posted with the press release that included JSS? See how everyone is placed - with Jeff (well over 6' tall) down below the rest of the band, and everyone else placed so that Neal looks to be the tallest guy in the picture. I wonder if that gives credibility to Frank's contention of Neal's "napoleanic complex"...? Ewwww.

[Liam]

There's no official proof that Arnel was ever really homeless. Is that all a lie too? Perhaps we shouldn't believe his sob story unless we can see the box that he lived in...

*SA never lipped - Neal didn't have him in his earpiece so he didn't know what the hell everyone was blathering about...
*SA only used a mic that was an exact replica - to scale - of Neal's afro in the mid-to-late 70's because he liked how it tickled his adam's apple and eyebrows...

Come on people, I'm sure there's many more tall tales where those came from, just like the "JSS was never officially named lead singer of Journey" story. Whatcha got?

On a somewhat related note, did anyone notice the layout of the picture that was posted with the press release that included JSS? See how everyone is placed - with Jeff (well over 6' tall) down below the rest of the band, and everyone else placed so that Neal looks to be the tallest guy in the picture. I wonder if that gives credibility to Frank's contention of Neal's "napoleanic complex"...? Ewwww.

NICE ONE, D.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The bio jumps from Augeri leaving in 2006 to Neal surfing the internet for singers. No Def Leppard, no JSS, no Jeremey (despite him having a hand on NWA) the bio is just blank over those 18 months.

So what do you think the reason for the bio jumping like that is?

They're assholes.

That is one possibility and I can honor that as such. However on the other hand, I can also honor the possibility that nothing of any significance occured during that time as well so nothing needed mentioning during that time period in regards to that department.

[steveo777]

Steve Perry was a stand in for Robert Fleischman, I thought. I didn't know he was an official member of the band.

I'm LMAO, as this thread is nothing about what it started about.

[donnaplease]

You missed where I clearly said "at the end of the day." I'm well aware that they named him the lead singer because even though I liked JSS from the get-go, turned around, thought about it & changed my mind, I was accepting of the fact he was going to be my lead singer of Journey and I personally PM'ed Soto around that time saying no hard feelings and how I am totally excited about what the future holds. He never got back to me and a week later, he was ousted. That said, he was a stand-in because they simply never moved FORWARD from the time they announced him. Technically, since he WAS named, I guess you can throw his name in there but in reality, to the band, he was nothing but a stand-in who saved their tour and that's what I'll always believe because they never moved on with Soto to where he could of officially put his fingerprints on being the official lead singer (a Soto-led album.) It never happened.

Around that time period, I worked for my brother, T-Time & we officially were the sole provider for Neal's t-shirts for Journey's website (Neal's Afro Society.) I stood there and witnessed my brother talk to Steve Toomey (who we met in Vegas) to where he told us that Soto ended up being ousted because of personality issues. This was more than one conversation over the telephone. I'm sure there's more to the story and noone will truly know why and how it happened (even JSS is probably still confused) but Toomey told us it was character issues. Take it with a grain of salt but it wasn't because they didn't think he could hack it. He clearly could but they simply changed their mind in mid-sentence.

In reality, all that matters is that "at the end of the day" on 12/19/06 Jeff Scott Soto was officially the lead singer of my favorite band (and dammit yes, they're still my favorite of all time - even though I'm not digging what they're doing now). Also, I unfortunately think some of the other stuff you've pointed out is true too. They used him, not only to get them through that tour, but also to smooth the waters surrounding the controversy of tapegate. I think it's conceivable that they used his relationship with Dean to get Dean to lay off ripping them, and also to connect with the fans as he does so well. Then they dumped him, perhaps as Dan and others have said because of his relationship with Dean once those waters were calmed. IDK. I utterly hate that I've lost so much respect for this band that meant so much to me in my youth.

[donnaplease]

Steve Perry was a stand in for Robert Fleischman, I thought. I didn't know he was an official member of the band.

I'm LMAO, as this thread is nothing about what it started about.

Well, there ya go... they never made either one of them feel like a part of the band!!! Mystery solved!!!

p.s. The good one's always get derailed...

[Archetype]

Really would have loved to hear a JSS-fronted Journey record

[YoungJRNY]

You missed where I clearly said "at the end of the day." I'm well aware that they named him the lead singer because even though I liked JSS from the get-go, turned around, thought about it & changed my mind, I was accepting of the fact he was going to be my lead singer of Journey and I personally PM'ed Soto around that time saying no hard feelings and how I am totally excited about what the future holds. He never got back to me and a week later, he was ousted. That said, he was a stand-in because they simply never moved FORWARD from the time they announced him. Technically, since he WAS named, I guess you can throw his name in there but in reality, to the band, he was nothing but a stand-in who saved their tour and that's what I'll always believe because they never moved on with Soto to where he could of officially put his fingerprints on being the official lead singer (a Soto-led album.) It never happened.

Around that time period, I worked for my brother, T-Time & we officially were the sole provider for Neal's t-shirts for Journey's website (Neal's Afro Society.) I stood there and witnessed my brother talk to Steve Toomey (who we met in Vegas) to where he told us that Soto ended up being ousted because of personality issues. This was more than one conversation over the telephone. I'm sure there's more to the story and noone will truly know why and how it happened (even JSS is probably still confused) but Toomey told us it was character issues. Take it with a grain of salt but it wasn't because they didn't think he could hack it. He clearly could but they simply changed their mind in mid-sentence.

In reality, all that matters is that "at the end of the day" on 12/19/06 Jeff Scott Soto was officially the lead singer of my favorite band (and dammit yes, they're still my favorite of all time - even though I'm not digging what they're doing now). Also, I unfortunately think some of the other stuff you've pointed out is true too. They used him, not only to get them through that tour, but also to smooth the waters surrounding the controversy of tapegate. I think it's conceivable that they used his relationship with Dean to get Dean to lay off ripping them, and also to connect with the fans as he does so well. Then they dumped him, perhaps as Dan and others have said because of his relationship with Dean once those waters were calmed. IDK. I utterly hate that I've lost so much respect for this band that meant so much to me in my youth.

Sometimes you have to separate emotion and connections to the music from the actual behind the scenes mess that goes on in such a cut-throat type business and the decisions people are faced with every day. The internet truly is the downfall of so many great observations one could or should have about a company, or simply a business of interest that you could indulge yourself in.

There is simply way too much information available to the internet public that would of NEVER-EVER been published back in the day, especially on how a business is ran behind closed doors and the decisions people are dealt with on a daily basis. Sometimes they aren't pretty & you can't send everybody home happy, dirty-work or not.

People are screwed, abused & tormented in every day life and people like you and I may have dealt with sleazy situations before, probably no different than what an actress or singer would go through. Situations like the music industry, a fan gets attached and feels they are owed something regarding who they follow and look at these guys as family members. Soto did get screwed and it was dirty business, but he was not harmed to the slightest degree and when it was all said and done, he STILL is doing what he loves and still toured & fronted one of the hottest billings in 2006 with Journey. I detach myself from such decisions and pay no attention to the personal aspect of the entire situation. IMHO, a fan should never get to the point to where they get so emotionally invested on the personal side of things that you lose respect for the one thing you love. You simply become a fan because you love the product, not what goes on behind the wizards cabinet. Just like the moniker says, at the end of the day, it's just business & Journey is no exception.