with Rascal Flatts

[Gideon]

Ex- and current-members of Journey have over the years revealed themselves to be alcoholics, drug addicts, statutory rapists, domestic abusers, malignant narcissists, liars, manipulators, prima donnas, etc... just like countless other bands in the rock pantheon. While they're hardly the Satanic figures some portray them to be (don't all of them give generously/sponsor various charities?), they've never been saints.

The music is what should be respected, not necessarily the men.

[Don]

No major sales jump with the Greatest Hits this week. Just Like with Def Leppard when they teamed up with Taylor Swift and Pat Benatar with Martina McBride. Country folk may give you standing ovations but they sure aren't going to buy your shit if ain't Country.

[artist4perry]

Steve Perry was a stand in for Robert Fleischman, I thought. I didn't know he was an official member of the band.

I'm LMAO, as this thread is nothing about what it started about.

It isn't news about the band till every one brings their trash talk to spice the story up.

[Lora]

Country folk may give you standing ovations but they sure aren't going to buy your shit if ain't Country.

They especially give you a standing ovation if they are in the front of the audience at a televised show and they are supposed to be enthusiastic. Looks good for the camera and that's why there are usually so many cute chicks down front when something is televised.

P.S. omg. I want to smoosh that kitty in your sig.

[artist4perry]

Country folk may give you standing ovations but they sure aren't going to buy your shit if ain't Country.

They especially give you a standing ovation if they are in the front of the audience at a televised show and they are supposed to be enthusiastic. Looks good for the camera and that's why there are usually so many cute chicks down front when something is televised.

P.S. omg. I want to smoosh that kitty in your sig.

Being from the country...LOL...Journey is BIG here. Most people who listen to country know DSB. Now it may be as you guys say...but people were singing along...they knew the words. Most Good Ol' Boys here know Journey. Country music lovers or not.

[The Sushi Hunter]

With all silliness set aside, I don't let any band's personal issues bother me. Because the band itself has completely no effect on my livelihood, including but not limited to where I live, how I live my life, my health, my home, my wife, my family, my job, my income, my credit scores, etc. etc. etc. So basically no one should get their panties all tied up in a knot over what the members of Journey do. I like the music, I buy the album. If I want to immerse my life in a band's personal business, I don't buy the album, I go out and stand in line with all the old bags that don't have a life, to purchase the shitty The National Enquirer and then I spend the rest of my day pissing and moaning about what I read earlier about the band.

[steveo777]

With all silliness set aside, I don't let any band's personal issues bother me. Because the band itself has completely no effect on my livelihood, including but not limited to where I live, how I live my life, my health, my home, my wife, my family, my job, my income, my credit scores, etc. etc. etc. So basically no one should get their panties all tied up in a knot over what the members of Journey do. I like the music, I buy the album. If I want to immerse my life in a band's personal business, I don't buy the album, I go out and stand in line with all the old bags that don't have a life, to purchase the shitty The National Enquirer and then I spend the rest of my day pissing and moaning about what I read earlier about the band.

You are not nutty enough for this forum.

Your membership here is hereby revoked.

[Andrew]

I've not read any official literature anywhere on the internet that lists JSS as either a current or past member of the band ever.

It was announced on Journey's website.

And via Journey's official press agent via full public press release. Even Blind Freddy, with his best Darth Vader helmet on over a scarf tied around his head could have seen that if they had looked.

[Andrew]

JOURNEY NAMES JEFF SCOTT SOTO OFFICIAL NEW LEAD SINGER


December 19, 2006 -- Jeff Scott Soto has been officially named the new lead singer of Journey. He had been filling in for Steve Augeri, who had to leave the U.S. tour with Def Leppard shortly after it began on June 23 due to illness.

"We are so grateful to Steve for all the years he dedicated to Journey," says Journey in a joint statement. "We thank Steve for all his hard work and we wish him only the best in his future endeavors. Over the past few months, we've come to realize that Jeff has proven himself above and beyond that he can sing the hell out of our songs and we're happy to officially welcome him as part of the family. We're excited to start a new chapter with Jeff and we're excited about what the future may bring."

Steve Augeri states: "Singing for Journey these last eight years have been the most challenging and the most rewarding of my career. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the band, and especially the fans, for the privilege of being part of a musical legacy that has touched so many hearts and souls. I wish my fellow bandmates success and happiness as they continue to make great music in the future, as I will strive to do the same myself."

Jeff Soto also adds, "With delight & pleasure, I am accepting the offer to continue my tenure with Journey now as their permanent vocalist after the amazing past months we've spent together on tour. I also pay high respect to Steve Augeri for coming in and helping Journey continue their legacy for nearly the last decade and to Steve Perry for co-creating this legacy. I hope to now add and help drive Journey into the next stage of this band's future."

Since Soto's first appearance with Journey on July 7 in Bristow, VA, his performances have been garnering rave reviews. To wit:

"Right off the bat, Journey's new lead singer is fantastic. Jeff Scott Soto is a supremely talented vocalist who handled with ease the many sky-high notes and the mile-long range in Journey's repertoire. Steve Perry fans have never gotten over the original lead singer's departure from the band, but I'm here to tell you this guy rocks the role. And yes, if you close your eyes he sounds just like Perry, but -- dare I say it? -- maybe even more passionate and full of verve. Hits such as 'I'll Be Alright Without You' and 'Wheel in the Sky' showcased his mighty voice." --Lorilee Craker, Grand Rapids Press

"The one-time Yngwie Malmsteen vocalist channeled (Steve) Perry flawlessly, nailing all the high notes and then some…Soto's got it going on." --Christopher John Treacy, Boston Herald

"Could Soto cut it? Yes. And then some. His vocals and stage presence were impressive." --Dave Ferman, Ft. Worth Star-Telegram

"Soto is a really strong vocalist, so instead of struggling to emulate (Steve) Perry's laser-beam vibrato, he can get away with a style that mixes grainy power with effortless key changes." --Johnny Loftus, Metro Times Detroit

Steve Augeri is currently recording his debut solo album, In The Moment, due out the summer of 2007. He's also putting the finishing touches on the much-anticipated follow-up to the AOR classic Tall Stories album, launching early next year. For more info, visit www.steveaugeri.com.

Journey--Neal Schon (guitar), Ross Valory (bass), Jonathan Cain (keyboards), Deen Castronovo (drums) and Jeff Scott Soto (vocals)—are currently mapping out plans for 2007.
WebLink: www.journeymusic.com.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I read this earlier in the thread. Thanks for posting it though so I could take another look at it. If you notice and correct me if I'm wrong, but the only person who refers to JSS as "perminent" is JSS himself. Not saying that is the "make or break", but I did notice that. Nothing is perminent in life so, with that in mind, it really boils down to what the band defines "perminent" as. Perminent for the rest of this tour? Perminent for this year? Perminent until we find someone else, etc. etc. Again we weren't there, we didn't read a contract agreement between all parties involved.

One thing for sure, the comment "Steve Perry fans have never gotten over the original lead singer's departure from the band," is pretty accurate to say the very least in regards to the very deeply rooted die-hard 80's Steve Perry fronted Jouney fan. But even that comment does not pass without flaw, as Steve Perry wasn't actually the original lead singer for the band. Isn't Robert F the original lead singer, bar none?

This holds true for me when I listen to other bands outside of Journey as well. If I want to listen to Queen, it's got to be with Freddie Mercury. If I want to listen to Van Halen, it's got to be with Diamond Dave, late seventies early eighties only. If I want to listen to Journey's "After All These Years", it's got to be with Arnel Pineda in the band. Etc, etc. etc.

[Andrew]

I read this earlier in the thread. Thanks for posting it though so I could take another look at it. If you notice and correct me if I'm wrong, but the only person who refers to JSS as "perminent" is JSS himself.

??????????

What part of this don't you understand? ....officially welcome him as part of the family. We're excited to start a new chapter with Jeff...

[Andrew]

Remember - I was with the band for 3 days in LA. Jeff was talked about by all members and management about being the PERMANENT singer. Read my interviews from that trip.

[steveo777]

Is Sushi one of those who does not believe the President was born in the USA?

[artist4perry]

Is Sushi one of those who does not believe the President was born in the USA?

Is that a photo of you Stevo in your av? And be nice....

[tater1977]

Where's Deano at...when you need an explanation?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Aren't fans considered "part of the family" too? Ok, so lets say JSS was at one time considered permanent. Now what? What does it change? I was simply just following up on what a member on this site posted earlier on in this thread, that JSS was a "stand-in" and seeing if I could find any merit to that claim. Apparently others on this site comprehend that the time JSS was singing with the band, the bands timeframe documentation is non-existent, specifically sometime starting in 2006.

I read this earlier in the thread. Thanks for posting it though so I could take another look at it. If you notice and correct me if I'm wrong, but the only person who refers to JSS as "perminent" is JSS himself.

??????????

What part of this don't you understand? ....officially welcome him as part of the family. We're excited to start a new chapter with Jeff...

[The Sushi Hunter]

Is Sushi one of those who does not believe the President was born in the USA?

I never cared where he was born. I didn't vote for him in 2009 and I won't vote for him in 2012 either. I'm sure he'll make pres though because everyone who voted for him isn't ready to let go of that milestone no matter how bad things get. His 2009's election was "Yes We Can" while his 2012 election will be "Why We Can't". Ooooh wrong thread.

[steveo777]

Is Sushi one of those who does not believe the President was born in the USA?

Is that a photo of you Stevo in your av? And be nice....

That's me. Telling people to be nice on this forum???? Buwahahahaha!

[artist4perry]

Is Sushi one of those who does not believe the President was born in the USA?

Is that a photo of you Stevo in your av? And be nice....

That's me. Telling people to be nice on this forum???? Buwahahahaha!

I was wondering if that was you.

I can ask for niceties..not that I will ever get it...

[slucero]

I read this earlier in the thread. Thanks for posting it though so I could take another look at it. If you notice and correct me if I'm wrong, but the only person who refers to JSS as "perminent" is JSS himself. Not saying that is the "make or break", but I did notice that. Nothing is perminent in life so, with that in mind, it really boils down to what the band defines "perminent" as. Perminent for the rest of this tour? Perminent for this year? Perminent until we find someone else, etc. etc. Again we weren't there, we didn't read a contract agreement between all parties involved.

One thing for sure, the comment "Steve Perry fans have never gotten over the original lead singer's departure from the band," is pretty accurate to say the very least in regards to the very deeply rooted die-hard 80's Steve Perry fronted Jouney fan. But even that comment does not pass without flaw, as Steve Perry wasn't actually the original lead singer for the band. Isn't Robert F the original lead singer, bar none?

This holds true for me when I listen to other bands outside of Journey as well. If I want to listen to Queen, it's got to be with Freddie Mercury. If I want to listen to Van Halen, it's got to be with Diamond Dave, late seventies early eighties only. If I want to listen to Journey's "After All These Years", it's got to be with Arnel Pineda in the band. Etc, etc. etc.

Right now you are being passive-aggressive and obtuse... look it up.

Being a "permanent" member of a band is a bit more complicated than that...

For business purposes, and specifically with Journey... the band has ALWAYS been a corporation.. it's how Herbie structured the band in the beginning.

This has been KNOWN for over 30 years...

Because they are a corporation.. All the members have to have employment contracts defining their status as shareholders in the corporation. It's the LAW. Each shareholders OWNS a percentage of the corporation, defined by the number of shares they are allotted. When a member leaves the band, for whatever reason, his shares must be bought out, at a price that was pre-defined OR is negotiated at the time of departure.

• It's why Perry had to be bought out, as part of the buyout agreement, none of the other "oweners" could say anything disparaging about each other.. until the agreement expired.
• It's why Augeri had to be bought out, and likely can not disparage the band as part of the buyout agreement.
• It's why JSS had to be bought out, and likely can not disparage the band as part of the buyout agreement.

They were all "permanent" members...

Non-shareholders are effectively only "employees" (hired guns)... they have no voting rights, and no band ownership... and can be fired at anytime... for any reason.



If Arnel does not own shares in the Journey corporation.. then he is only a contract employee.


clear now?"

[Andrew]

Aren't fans considered "part of the family" too?

Ok, now I know I'm wasting my time. Good night.

[Arkansas]

Ex- and current-members of Journey have over the years revealed themselves to be alcoholics, drug addicts, statutory rapists, domestic abusers, malignant narcissists, liars, manipulators, prima donnas, etc...

Muy interesante! Care to give facts & legal citations on how they have 'revealed themselves'? Please, knock yourself out on this bit of...entertainment.

Regardless, I think 'malignant narcissists' needs to be expounded upon, at length. By all means, go on...


later~

[Liam]

"Malignant Narcissism"?? I love that Rush track.

[artist4perry]

"Malignant Narcissism"?? I love that Rush track.

I thought Sushi had the funniest description of the day...referring to my art as tripious Continuous....Malignant Narcissism...Bulbous bouffant....LOL

Personally I say stop the play by play guess so's about people you don't know personally. To judge people over stupid interviews, or to assume horrible things over a bad meeting you had isn't all that fair. It makes me wonder why anyone in the limelight ever talks to anyone...everything is analyzed to death. And everyone these days are experts about everything.

[Liam]

Just say "Everyone's stupid but me". That gets me through the day....and a bunch of morons.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I realize how senseless these discussions really are and how much time of my day I completely pissed away discussing something with no significant value in my life. If anything should piss me off, that is right up there with the worst. I don't blame anyone but myself for doing that. The bottom line here is I got a life and not one stitch of it revolves around a band and it's relationships with people involved with them and their personal information. But for those of you whose life apparently does revolve around someone elses personal information, knock yourself out. Wow, what a noteworthy accomplishment in your life, which shall be filed under........pathetic.

[slucero]

if yer gonna get all butthurt cause people call you you on your bullshit then maybe you should go find a forum where you can post and not be challenged.


Grow up, man up... or shut the fuck up... your choice...

[Liam]

Is Back Talk even around anymore??

[SF-Dano]

For business purposes, and specifically with Journey... the band has ALWAYS been a corporation.. it's how Herbie structured the band in the beginning.

This has been KNOWN for over 30 years...

Because they are a corporation.. All the members have to have employment contracts defining their status as shareholders in the corporation. It's the LAW. Each shareholders OWNS a percentage of the corporation, defined by the number of shares they are allotted. When a member leaves the band, for whatever reason, his shares must be bought out, at a price that was pre-defined OR is negotiated at the time of departure.

• It's why Perry had to be bought out, as part of the buyout agreement, none of the other "oweners" could say anything disparaging about each other.. until the agreement expired.
• It's why Augeri had to be bought out, and likely can not disparage the band as part of the buyout agreement.
• It's why JSS had to be bought out, and likely can not disparage the band as part of the buyout agreement.

They were all "permanent" members...

Non-shareholders are effectively only "employees" (hired guns)... they have no voting rights, and no band ownership... and can be fired at anytime... for any reason.



If Arnel does not own shares in the Journey corporation.. then he is only a contract employee.


clear now?"

How do you know that Journey still operates that way? Or that the singers that came after Perry were not just considered employees? If Journey operates as a Corporation still, then I would not be surprised if Schon, Cain, and Valory (possibly Deen also) were the only "share-holders" and the singers post Perry were all just hired-guns. This might also play into the fact of why singers post Perry have had very little creative or writing input in the songs. Employees can have gag orders and non-disclosure agreements placed on them too. Plus a little severance ("buy-out") encourages tight lips.

[steveo777]

It has been posted somewhere that Arnel is a full share member of the band. I'm sure that doesn't include sales of any legacy material.