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Postby Gideon » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:27 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
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This was like making a shitty guitar player turn his distortion and delay off: it really revealed Arnel's shortcomings.


Nothing there you liked?


Honestly, nothing. Pitchy, weird phrasing, weird enunciation, the whole 9 yards.


Fair enough. I maintain that there were good notes, impressive sustains, and a really great vibrato but then I'm not a musician. Your ear is better trained and more refined than mine.

Rick wrote:Tough to impress I guess. I thought he did pretty damn good. I think a lot of us are just spoiled by Perry. :lol:


Matt definitely has strict standards, but I admire him for it. He minces words for no man.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:19 am

Don wrote:The experiment of trying to rock harder and have Arnel sing in his own voice has failed.


Anything not coupled with the hits would've flopped. The addition of a Cain wedding ballad maybe would've garnered the band some limited airplay on Delilah, but we're not looking at Revelation numbers again. I don't think they'll ever get there again. Creatively, Eclipse was a success and a pretty good Journey record.
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Postby jrnyjetster » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:52 am

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Creatively, Eclipse was a success and a pretty good Journey record.


BUT, they did a fucking horrible job promoting it. :?
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Postby scarygirl » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:30 am

Don wrote:
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Don wrote:Perry doesn't have to sing the song again, it's immortalized forever on CD. Arnel on the other hand was hired to do the live versions and sound like Perry and that is what he is trying his best to do.
Eclipse flopping and Journey's Greatest Hits yearly resurgence means back to the dirty dozen and legacy sound this tour. The experiment of trying to rock harder and have Arnel sing in his own voice has failed.


I'm going to take that as a "No, there's no way Perry could do this now." :lol:


Do you mean could Perry do what Arnel did in the videos? I think he could do it, especially the yelling and groaning at the end of the full song clip. Why anyone thinks these are good performances of WCTNGOF is beyond me.


Thank you!! :wink: I honestly tried liking it, but the more I listened, the more I missed Steve Perry.
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Re: Arnel sings WCTNGOF Acapella

Postby Navarro » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:31 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Pretty good!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF5nd1lia18


This is the best live video vocally I have found this song. It blew me away the first time I heard it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgS2bNk ... ata_player
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Re: Arnel sings WCTNGOF Acapella

Postby Rick » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:47 am

Navarro wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Pretty good!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF5nd1lia18


This is the best live video vocally I have found this song. It blew me away the first time I heard it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgS2bNk ... ata_player


Yeah, that's the best I've heard it done live as well. Great job by Jeremey.
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Postby annie89509 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:13 pm

Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:01 am

Don wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:Perry doesn't have to sing the song again, it's immortalized forever on CD. Arnel on the other hand was hired to do the live versions and sound like Perry and that is what he is trying his best to do.
Eclipse flopping and Journey's Greatest Hits yearly resurgence means back to the dirty dozen and legacy sound this tour. The experiment of trying to rock harder and have Arnel sing in his own voice has failed.


I'm going to take that as a "No, there's no way Perry could do this now." :lol:


Do you mean could Perry do what Arnel did in the videos? I think he could do it, especially the yelling and groaning at the end of the full song clip. Why anyone thinks these are good performances of WCTNGOF is beyond me.


This is something we may never know for sure. SP is in his 60's so.....I don't see him singing ever again.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:51 am

annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.
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Postby Gideon » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:06 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.


WCTNGOF is pretty cheesy, but Perry is strong as hell from start to finish. The outro duel between him and Neal is superb.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:30 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:This song is mediocre at best...


Alot on ROR is mediocre. Eyes of a Woman, Once You Love Somebody, Happy To Give...all horrid.
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Postby UncleKG » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:49 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.


When you love a woman doesn't amount to a pimple on the ass of this song. FAR superior.
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Postby Don » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:10 pm

In the end this song doesn't go anywhere. Right when you think it's about take off, it's over, almost like a hard edit.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:29 pm

Don wrote:In the end this song doesn't go anywhere. Right when you think it's about take off, it's over, almost like a hard edit.


It was a hard edit. Journey ceased to be, then was revived, then died again. In 1997 Neal Schon made a business decision to form a tribute band called Journey.2 and walmart started putting little blue stickers on their cd's.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:51 am

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Don wrote:In the end this song doesn't go anywhere. Right when you think it's about take off, it's over, almost like a hard edit.


It was a hard edit. Journey ceased to be, then was revived, then died again. In 1997 Neal Schon made a business decision to form a tribute band called Journey.2 and walmart started putting little blue stickers on their cd's.


Yeah, I can agree with this, I was thinking about it as well. But it's only a tribute band when they primarily play the old hits both on stage and releasing them over and over again on albums. I say they need to break away from doing that.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:56 am

UncleKG wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.


When you love a woman doesn't amount to a pimple on the ass of this song. FAR superior.


Wow, I guess that's just a matter of opinion. Actually, not really. You're just fuckin deaf!
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Postby UncleKG » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:47 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
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annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.


When you love a woman doesn't amount to a pimple on the ass of this song. FAR superior.


Wow, I guess that's just a matter of opinion. Actually, not really. You're just fuckin deaf!


Others on here may defer to your opinion because of your supposed "exacting standards" or whatever...I personally think you're as full of shit as the next guy.
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Postby slucero » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:05 am

WYLAW is a better written song.. but WCTNGOF is pretty damn good performance wise...

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Postby Gideon » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:02 am

UncleKG wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
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Ehwmatt wrote:
annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.


When you love a woman doesn't amount to a pimple on the ass of this song. FAR superior.


Wow, I guess that's just a matter of opinion. Actually, not really. You're just fuckin deaf!


Others on here may defer to your opinion because of your supposed "exacting standards" or whatever...I personally think you're as full of shit as the next guy.


:lol:

WYLAW isn't exactly an ass pimple, but WCTNGOF is better IMHO.
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Postby DracIsBack » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:33 am

Jeez - I had to look up what that meant.

Fracken acronyms ... I know it's hard to type out all those words. That's why "Copy and Paste" exists ;-)

Yes, he does sing that nicely.
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Postby annie89509 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:11 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
annie89509 wrote:Definitely a tough song to sing, considering it was SP’s finest performance on record. I mean, how can anyone possibly replicate that emotional delivery? That being said, I thought Arnel did (does) an admirable job singing this song. He has the right tone and range, for sure.

I do agree with Don that Arnel has a weakness on the money (outro) notes here, and with other important Journey tunes (like DSB, Faithfully, etc.). Seems like it’s the ole diction thing that might be the cause of him messing up on the outros. Other than that, I hear no problems with his singing any Journey songs.


This song is mediocre at best, and I seriously dispute the claim in bold. Other than the outro wails, this song doesn't feature SP doing anything he doesn't do on ballads like Faithfully or even When You Love a Woman. If you are going to play the "emotion" card to say why it's his finest performance on record, then I'd say When You Love a Woman trumps this song by a lot.

Oops....forgot to insert the (imo) tag :roll: :lol: . I'm a loon....love all the songs....but, WCTNGOF is my all-time favorite (yes...the wailing kills me)...Faithfully second....WYLAW third. Not critiquing the song...just SP's vocals.
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Postby annie89509 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:13 pm

Wow....Giddy, finally, we share common ground..... :lol:
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Postby Gideon » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:47 am

annie89509 wrote:Wow....Giddy, finally, we share common ground..... :lol:


Scary, isn't it? :lol:
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