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[Eric]

I think Foreigner's well received and energetic greatest hits set scared them and they dropped everything they were singing off the new album but the one song. Their set seemed shorter anyway last year.

That's exactly what happens...you have to start competing. I'd rather see them in front of 6-10k alone then 16k-18k with 2 other bands.

[Yoda]

You're one of the very few, but that could be because you discovered Journey long after their heyday. The concert I went to back in 2008 had them playing Never Walk Away and After All These Years, but the rest were Perry era songs. From what I understand, they dropped all of the Eclipse songs half way through this past tour. So, if they play any Pineda era songs, you're looking at no more than one song, but I don't even think they're playing one.

That concert that you mention back in 2008, they were probably playing all that Pineda era stuff because that was right after they released the new album that had these tracks on it.

As I mentioned in a post of mine before, I purchased the first Pineda era cd/dvd combination album back when it was first released, and to this day I've not played the disk that has all the classic Journey tunes on it. I'm not interested in these tunes, just the ones that are new tracks with Pineda on them.

Yep, it was shortly after Revelation was released, but they only played two songs. The rest were Perry era songs, no Augeri songs from what I remember.

In 2009 when I saw them they played 6, including Higher Place WITH DEEN. Just Journey, though. Much, much better setlist.

See, I think if Journey were touring on their own, we would hear a lot more of the new stuff live. Because there's three acts together, each pretty much has to cut their sets down to fit about an hour.

[Eric]

See, I think if Journey were touring on their own, we would hear a lot more of the new stuff live. Because there's three acts together, each pretty much has to cut their sets down to fit about an hour.

That one link said 4 hours. So I'd guess Loverboy=45 (15 minute change) Benatar=1:10 (20 minutes change) Journey=1:30

[Yoda]

See, I think if Journey were touring on their own, we would hear a lot more of the new stuff live. Because there's three acts together, each pretty much has to cut their sets down to fit about an hour.

That one link said 4 hours. So I'd guess Loverboy=45 (15 minute change) Benatar=1:10 (20 minutes change) Journey=1:30

4 hours? Holy crap..I have to make sure I ask off for the next day!

[donnaplease]

I'd like to add that writing, or participating in writing songs for an American band are a bit challenging for someone from the Philippines I'm sure because it's a culture that has a different ideal of music, as every culture does.

I have used this thinking to explain why the Arnel-led version doesn't work for me personally. Those cultural differences (plus his personal experiences, while heart-wrenching) make his interpretation of the music harder to believe for me. It's that whole "emote" thing that Deb explains so well. I enjoy and respect his music more (and feel it with him) when he's sitting on the barstool in the empty bar in one of his pre-Journey videos (even though he's singing a Journey song I think).

I'm labeled a racist for my thoughts, so be careful what you say...

[Gideon]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

Not sure I completely understand your question. But in general I think there are bias opinions in regards to who's singing for who now. It could be a natural human tendency perhaps and I say this because I've seen it coming from both sides of the fence.

[donnaplease]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

[AR]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

Well..........................

I was crucified for being honest back "in the day". My opinions were honest although delivered like Howard Stern (because that is my sense of humor)

A lot of what I once said is commonplace opinion now.

That said, I have been back here for quite awhile and no one has labeled me anything and no issues at all. Also, my opinions have softened anyway. I think we are all past that stuff.

You like the current version of the band or you don't. No harm, no foul.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

Yeah, that and the crazy cat lady. Both nutjobs.

[yulog]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

Sure there has been, plenty once he came in, it got so bad at one point people were given the boot(I'm sure there might have been other reasons that helped get them the boot, but the racist crap sure helped).

[steveo777]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

Well..........................

I was crucified for being honest back "in the day". My opinions were honest although delivered like Howard Stern (because that is my sense of humor)

A lot of what I once said is commonplace opinion now.

That said, I have been back here for quite awhile and no one has labeled me anything and no issues at all. Also, my opinions have softened anyway. I think we are all past that stuff.

You like the current version of the band or you don't. No harm, no foul.

Ed, I think you, like me, have just decided it's not worth persecuting people because of what they like or don't. I've come to be able to see where both sides of the fence are coming from. I'm ok with the current version of Journey most of the time, except when they really fuck it up and sound bad. Seems that's been happening more often than not, but I'm gonna see them at the Gorge on 7/28. I just figure that this might be my last chance, especially at this venue. I don't remember them playing it before. I also wanna hear some live Loverboy. Couldn't really care about Pat.

[Yoda]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

Why was that racist? You guys just wanted the band to hire someone who speaks english and could sing it fluently...I don't really see an issue of race. I'm sure you guys would have been just fine if that singer was Asian-american or African-american, so as long as he had the ability to cover the songs and sound, well, "English." Heck, I think having a black singer would have been better for Journey anyway. Steve Perry patterned his vocal style after Sam Cooke, so I think it would have worked, as long as the singer could have mixed in enough of a rock style like Perry did. If Journey had went that route, I'm wondering who would have had the problem then? After all, white people aren't the only ones inclined to race bigotry, it can come from anywhere.

-Side note: I'm happy with the band continuing on and I'm happy with what Arnel Pineda has brought to the band. Hindsight is always 20/20, and in the end, it is what it is. You either love Journey right now, or your hate them. Everybody's free to choose.

[ebake02]

$310K entertainment cost... tickets at $60 to $85.... I wonder what the break even is?

At $60, they only need 5200 people to break even.

[slucero]

$310K entertainment cost... tickets at $60 to $85.... I wonder what the break even is?

At $60, they only need 5200 people to break even.

nice.. you can do math... lol


the Montana State Fair drew:

2009 - 142,000
2010 - 157,000
2011 - 160,050

so these concerts... as costly as they are, are likely loss leaders.. and easily pay for themselves..

[donnaplease]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

Why was that racist? You guys just wanted the band to hire someone who speaks english and could sing it fluently...I don't really see an issue of race. I'm sure you guys would have been just fine if that singer was Asian-american or African-american, so as long as he had the ability to cover the songs and sound, well, "English." Heck, I think having a black singer would have been better for Journey anyway. Steve Perry patterned his vocal style after Sam Cooke, so I think it would have worked, as long as the singer could have mixed in enough of a rock style like Perry did. If Journey had went that route, I'm wondering who would have had the problem then? After all, white people aren't the only ones inclined to race bigotry, it can come from anywhere.

-Side note: I'm happy with the band continuing on and I'm happy with what Arnel Pineda has brought to the band. Hindsight is always 20/20, and in the end, it is what it is. You either love Journey right now, or your hate them. Everybody's free to choose.

It wasn't (from my perspective). I kept getting this image of William Hung singing "she bangs" though.

[koberry]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

Wasn't he the same guy that wanted them to do a Santana-esque album?? That never made any sense.

[Rick]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

Wasn't he the same guy that wanted them to do a Santana-esque album?? That never made any sense.

Yes, or a Latin styled album. He definitely marched to his own beat.

[wednesday's child]

Perspective is a funny thing. Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE who isn't in the Journey camp think that there have ever been genuinely racist remarks leveled at Arnel here or anywhere else?

There was a guy named FyreWingz (or something like that) that called me and others racist because I said that I thought that Journey, as an American band, should have a lead singer whose primary language is english. I didn't consider it racist, but lots of people jumped on that bandwagon. Then, people would poke fun at him in retaliation for all the idiotic comments about racism. He really took a lot of abuse/ridicule because of the actions of others.

No, ^that wasn't racist, and I haven't seen you post anything racist/xenophobic.
I don't like Arnel's accent, and I'll tell you why: I remember the hits fondly, and I do remember
them sung with Steve Perry's vocal skill, or at minimum, with an American accent. It harshes
my mellow to hear it sung differently. Heck, if Perry himself were to sing it for Journey TODAY,
it'd probably be disappointing in parts. Nothing racist in objecting to the qualities of the voice.

Back when the news of Arnel as a possible frontman was still very fresh, however, some were
objecting to the qualities of the person singing, at a time when all they knew was he was
neither American nor white.. and that was a problem. The dog-eating comments were some of
the less-objectionable garbage I recall seeing posted,

I'm sure there was a lot of hope that Arnel would overcome his limitations with respect to accent
(to me it seems two steps forwards, one step back for him) and better technique (I'm afraid we
are all SOL on that one), but Arnel remains a terrific singer. He's just up against extremely high
expectations, the bar having been set very high by a most exceptional vocal talent.

[slucero]

I think out of 35 tunes, Augeri had writing credits on ten of them.

post-ROR songwriting credits:

JC = 48
NS = 50
Augeri = 14
AP = 2

How many times are you going to cut n paste?

as often as necessary... since I actually wrote that....


how often are you gonna "whine & bitch"?