Ten killed in Denver movie shooting The Dark Knight Rises.

[slucero]

Weren't the lights turned down as the movie had already started?
Smoke, darkness and people streaming toward you in a panic, doesn't sound like the best environment to instantly take down anybody in a discriminate matter.

Exactly. I'm just laughing at the idea that people carrying guns just can't wait for a chance like this to act. That's what they sound like!! Even an off duty COP would try to secure his family, if he didn't have a point blank range to take him out. In the dark, him in black, chaos, his vision best, sounds of movie playing loud...no way. Nice how we have so many super heroes in this site who would just know what to do and exactly how theyd handle it!!

And correct me if I'm wrong, (not aimed at you Don) but this is a COMPANY Cinemark policy to not have guns. If they aren't checking everyone, anyone with a permit can legally carry it. There is a difference between COMPANY policy and LAW. How do you know no one had a gun???? And chose not to use it??? Colorados laws are not strict. And who would come foward now and say "hey I had a gun but chose to run. NO ONE. So we'll never know.

wrong. It's a municipal ordinance in Aurora that makes it illegal to carry into a premises that is posted "no guns." In other words, the city gave private signage the force of law. Cinemark theaters has had a no guns policy for some time, and has asked law-abiding citizens to leave for exercising their natural and Constitutional right to armed self-defense.

The ordinance:

Sec. 94-152. - Firearms on private property.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to enter or remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment when such property, building, or establishment is posted with notification that the carrying of firearms is prohibited.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment after such person has been given verbal notice that the carrying of firearms is prohibited on such property, building, or establishment.

(c) Possession of a permit issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to repeal, or possession of a permit or temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to pt. 2 of art. 18 of tit. 9 of the Colorado Revised Statutes shall be no defense to a violation of this section.

Yeah, I just heard we have a law like this in FL too. I still say just because people aren't supposed to, they don't. Because if someone did have a gun, and by some miracle was able to kill him, no court in this country is going to convict that person. No way. Not if lives were saved. And those ordinances usually don't include cops, don't know about Colorado. I can tell you even an off duty cop is going to help people flee in that situation of confusion. Not pull his gun out and start shooting. Unless the guy was right next to him no way. And in this case the guy had a vest and guess where cops are TRAINED to shoot???? Prob would have failed.

I haven't found any details.. but odds are that vest will turn out to be a tactical vest, not a bullet proof vest... if it was just a tac-vest then a couple CC citizens (or a cop) could have easily shot him though the vest..

EDT: Turns out it was a "urban assault vest" (not bulletproof) that he purchased from TacticalGear.com


I'd be very curious if there was analysis on gun crime "success", when citizen shoots back.

[Liam]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/some-f ... sho,28859/

[slucero]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/some-fucking-guy-at-warner-bros-wondering-what-sho,28859/

bet he's looking for a job now...

[Ehwmatt]

It's not really about whether having a gun could have stopped this particular incident. But it is about increasing your chances of survival and defense if you, god forbid, ever find yourself in this kind of situation. I'd much rather increase my odds of surviving and defending instead of saying ah fuck it, it wouldn't have helped anyway. But yeah, I'd be hard pressed to commit a crime by carrying an otherwise legal weapon into a place that "opts out" of allowing such weapons. So it's a tough situation. I'd rather everyone be armed. But thats the wild west, you say? Maybe so, but I'd rather have the wild west than a bona fide slaughter.

[artist4perry]

O.K. since we have to go the gun control argument...

Take away the guns....all the guns in the world. You want to kill someone. Lots of people...this guy knew how to set booby traps and possibly a bomb. Instead of 71 being the toll of the hurt and deceased we now have the whole building blown to bits and no one wins yet again.

If a person is determined to kill you can remove and regulate till you die. He might just hijack a plane if that is all he has. Psychotic and Ideological crazy people will do senseless violence and as much as we wish we can control and stop all of it...we only prove we have no real control if they want to hurt.

By the way, I am not a gun owner and never will be. I think we are just missing the true problem. This person was evil and had an evil agenda and carried it out. The means of how he did it is really mute.

We tighten gun laws every time something like this happens...politicians slap each other on the back...violence still increases.

[Liam]

I love Texas (as I pat my '45 on my side).

[Behshad]

O.K. since we have to go the gun control argument...

Take away the guns....all the guns in the world. You want to kill someone. Lots of people...this guy knew how to set booby traps and possibly a bomb. Instead of 71 being the toll of the hurt and deceased we now have the whole building blown to bits and no one wins yet again.

If a person is determined to kill you can remove and regulate till you die. He might just hijack a plane if that is all he has. Psychotic and Ideological crazy people will do senseless violence and as much as we wish we can control and stop all of it...we only prove we have no real control if they want to hurt.

By the way, I am not a gun owner and never will be. I think we are just missing the true problem. This person was evil and had an evil agenda and carried it out. The means of how he did it is really mute.

Who said anything about taking away guns , granny ?!

[StevePerryHair]

O.K. since we have to go the gun control argument...

Take away the guns....all the guns in the world. You want to kill someone. Lots of people...this guy knew how to set booby traps and possibly a bomb. Instead of 71 being the toll of the hurt and deceased we now have the whole building blown to bits and no one wins yet again.

If a person is determined to kill you can remove and regulate till you die. He might just hijack a plane if that is all he has. Psychotic and Ideological crazy people will do senseless violence and as much as we wish we can control and stop all of it...we only prove we have no real control if they want to hurt.

By the way, I am not a gun owner and never will be. I think we are just missing the true problem. This person was evil and had an evil agenda and carried it out. The means of how he did it is really mute.

We tighten gun laws every time something like this happens...politicians slap each other on the back...violence still increases.

Mute? So the shooter couldn't talk either???

[artist4perry]

Anyone ever think we are raising a society that cares nothing and does not value human life? Empathy for others seems to be an ongoing problem. These people can kill because they feel no empathy...why is that? What has happened when our teens gang up and beat up helpless strangers? Or verbally abuse a 70 year old bus monitor? Gang shoplifting...groups go in large numbers to shoplift at the same time. People having no courtesies at all. Moral decay is increasing every day.

[artist4perry]

O.K. since we have to go the gun control argument...

Take away the guns....all the guns in the world. You want to kill someone. Lots of people...this guy knew how to set booby traps and possibly a bomb. Instead of 71 being the toll of the hurt and deceased we now have the whole building blown to bits and no one wins yet again.

If a person is determined to kill you can remove and regulate till you die. He might just hijack a plane if that is all he has. Psychotic and Ideological crazy people will do senseless violence and as much as we wish we can control and stop all of it...we only prove we have no real control if they want to hurt.

By the way, I am not a gun owner and never will be. I think we are just missing the true problem. This person was evil and had an evil agenda and carried it out. The means of how he did it is really moot.

We tighten gun laws every time something like this happens...politicians slap each other on the back...violence still increases.

Mute? So the shooter couldn't talk either???

Sorry wrong word...I was looking for Moot! Thanks SP hair! I am very wiped out today.

[artist4perry]

O.K. since we have to go the gun control argument...

Take away the guns....all the guns in the world. You want to kill someone. Lots of people...this guy knew how to set booby traps and possibly a bomb. Instead of 71 being the toll of the hurt and deceased we now have the whole building blown to bits and no one wins yet again.

If a person is determined to kill you can remove and regulate till you die. He might just hijack a plane if that is all he has. Psychotic and Ideological crazy people will do senseless violence and as much as we wish we can control and stop all of it...we only prove we have no real control if they want to hurt.

By the way, I am not a gun owner and never will be. I think we are just missing the true problem. This person was evil and had an evil agenda and carried it out. The means of how he did it is really mute.

Who said anything about taking away guns , granny ?!

I am saying reducing who owns the guns or removing guns is not going to fix it. Crooks can get guns across the border like drugs. Even if they could not get their hands on guns they would find something to kill large numbers of people with. It is the motivation that is the issue. How he gets his goal is irrelevant.

By the way, and having a gun won't fix it either. If your caught off guard you might not be able to get to your gun and use it in time, and in tear gas I am afraid you might not be able to see to hit your target.

[artist4perry]

Your trying to control the uncontrollable. Your job is to survive as best as you can. You never know when, how, or with what method a nut job will strike. We all think we are either John Wayne or that we can legislate senseless violence away...throughout history we prove how stupid we are to think we can control the unexpected, the unexplainable, and the unimaginable.

Our energies are best spent right now caring for the families of the lost and hurt.

[slucero]

People are designed to kill people. That is what leads to crime. People making that choice, sane or insane.

A chainsaw, axe, ice pick, hammer, or a gun have ZERO CHANCE of harming a human being if no human being touches it at all, and little chance of causing harm UNLESS the human is careless, or INTENT on harming another human.


Since 2008 more guns have been sold in this country, EVERY YEAR than the year before... yet, as of Sept. 2011, violent crime has fallen EVERY YEAR since 2006...


Don't believe me? Read it for yourself: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20108263.html

Here's the FBI report for 2010: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010

Here's the table from that report showing the trend:





Here's the preliminary data for the 2011 report, the trend is still DOWN.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-dec-2011





nut control not gun control...


as exemplified by the shootings... gun control does not work... so more gun control would by akin to my signature line pic... (take it Albert)...

[artist4perry]

We should have more control over helping people who are crazy. But what about that guy that without warning to others just goes nuts and plots silently in his home? As I said, it is not the weapon that is the problem. He is going to find some way to kill...if he cannot get his hands on one method of mass killing he will look for another. During some of the wars our enemies had traps that would kill a man made out of sticks a pit and poo on the end of the stick to set up infection. If someone is determined to kill, they will find a way.

No easy solution I am afraid. It is a problem we have been trying to fix for centuries.

[Liam]

Black market is ALWAYS gonna exist...so that kills that idea

[Liam]

How about an eye scan??

[Liam]

Umm....scrotum scan??

[tater1977]

James Holmes
Cops Investigating
Sex Site Profile

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/james-hol ... enis-cops/





A man claiming to be James Holmes created a profile on a popular sex website just days before "The Dark Knight Rises" massacre ... in which he described his penis as "short/average" ... and law enforcement sources tell TMZ investigators are now looking at the site to determine its authenticity.

"Holmes" created the profile on AdultFriendFinder.com July 5 -- and included a picture of himself with reddish, orange hair ... just as officials in Aurora, CO said he looked when he was apprehended Friday morning.

"Holmes" -- who used the screen name classicjimbo -- included a cryptic message on the top of the profile which reads, "Will you visit me in prison?"

In his profile, "Holmes" says he's 6'0" and single ... with an athletic body. Note -- the FBI says Holmes is 6'3".

"Holmes" describes himself as a "light/social drinker" ... but in the section where he's asked if he smokes or does drugs, he answered, "I'd prefer not to say."

Holmes" also noted that he's circumcised.

"Holmes" described himself as a straight man ... and said he was seeking a sexual relationship with "Women, Couples (man and woman), Groups or Couples (2 women)."

"Holmes" also notes that he's interested in "Erotic Chat or Email, Discreet Relationship, 1-on-1 sex or Group sex (3 or more!)"

In the section marked, "Introduction" ... "Holmes" said, "Looking for a fling or casual sex gal. Am a nice guy. Well, as nice enough of a guy who does these sort of shenanigans."

According to the website, "Holmes" last logged in to the site sometime in the past 3 days.

"Holmes" posted 2 different photos of himself -- including one shot in which he is posed in front of an image of a woman while wearing headphones.

[Liam]

So he wasn't getting laid? BOO FUCKING HOO. Neither are most married couples.

[artist4perry]

So he wasn't getting laid? BOO FUCKING HOO. Neither are most married couples.

My husband and I have no problem with that area...LOL

[Liam]

Key word "most"...LOL

[JRNYMAN]

How about an eye scan??

Chris Rock had the solution to gun control years ago and what to do about that debate and how to eliminate mass shootings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

[artist4perry]

Key word "most"...LOL

Some I think would be more the best description. I think quite a few married guys and gals here would not fit in that category.

[artist4perry]

How about an eye scan??

Chris Rock had the solution to gun control years ago and what to do about that debate and how to eliminate mass shootings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

That might help!

[Everett]

So he wasn't getting laid? BOO FUCKING HOO. Neither are most married couples.

My husband and I have no problem with that area...LOL

TMI

[artist4perry]

So he wasn't getting laid? BOO FUCKING HOO. Neither are most married couples.

My husband and I have no problem with that area...LOL

TMI

I did not paint a picture for you so quit whining.

[brandonx76]

Maybe use a twist like brandonx76 suggested earlier, and just mandate psych evaluations for us all, paid with ObamaCareTax.

The problem with that would be that the idiot psychologist would award guns to Monker and 7 Wishes and deny me mine.

Why is it always a slippery slope with you people? (that's right, I said you people)

Anyone wanting a gun...sure, but not every citizen wants a gun

You're probably onto something about being denied because you'd be a little "too anxious" about needing a gun to protect yourself from a fictionalized "evil" government you've invented in your mind or been brainwashed into believing exists.

Personally tho, I want a gun, so I'd be willing to go through the process, whatever it is. I used to live next to some drug dealers for a brief time where drive by shootings occurred on occasion, (I do not miss Concord, CA)...and was very close to procuring one. Still expensive tho. I think Chris Rock was onto something

[slucero]

Just so we all understand a "bullet" is just the projectile... what Chris Rock actually meant was "cartridge", but no one would have understood him, and he would have had to explain the following...



A modern cartridge consists of the following:

1. the bullet, which serves as the projectile;
2. the case, which holds all parts together;
3. the propellant, for example gunpowder or cordite;
4. part of the casing used for loading;
5. the primer, which ignites the propellant.



Right now ammunition (cartridges) is significantly cheaper than guns..

All regulating the price of ammunition will is cause the black (illegal) market for guns to reverse an d suddenly become one for ammunition... and the price of a gun will be $39.99 at Walmart... (which means everyone will have one)

[Liam]

This is all JoePa's fault.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Obviously there was little to nothing the crowd could have done, they were pretty much doomed unfortunately. A lot of unfortunates about it, but one for sure it's unfortunate that someone wasn't able to secure this fruitcakes liberty for good by shooting him dead.

But really people need to rethink what they consider as entertainment. If you think the footage of people leaving the theater after the shooting was disturbing, don't go watch the movie cause I'm sure what was depicted in parts of the movie were far more graphic and disturbing. Yeah, lets go out and watch a movie showing people getting shot up and killed as they were in the movie. Entertaining? Same goes for all those shoot'em up games on Xbox. What's the purpose? What's the entertainment there?

As someone mentioned before somewhere in so many words: when entertainment is watching movies of people killing people, people will kill for entertainment.

The Batman that I used to watch on tv as a little kid, no one was dying in any of those 1966 episodes, not even the bad guys.