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With all due respect..... and as much as I loved Peter Criss, he BARELY pulled off Beth with regard to actually singing on key. He clearly didn't have the chops to provide lead vox to basically any of Kiss' other songs - and do so adequately. Deen, on the other hand, could aptly and satisfactorily perform all of the songs in Journey's catalog. Apples and oranges my friend.... apples and oranges. And as for Deen singing an entire show, didn't he do just that the night following Augeri's departure? I may be remembering it wrong but IIRC that's how it played out with JSS joining them 2 nights later. Even if I'm completely deluded in my thinking, Deen could definitely handle one night on lead vox.The Sushi Hunter wrote:Rediculous. There's no way Journey would have the drummer sing the entire show. Come on now. That's like saying Kiss would have Peter Criss sing an entire show since he could do Beth, if there was no one else from the band who could sing that night. Or....is it just me who thinks this way?
SF-Dano wrote:Good question. I would hope that we would see Deen singing a majority of the tunes, but would think that Cain would possibly cover some old Rolie vocal tune or possibly pull out EG. Neal possibly doing Lies or SD, which has now shown up on a Journey CD. Just so Deen would not have to carry the whole evening's set list vocally.
Now, there is the other option where AP comes out and sings, but.........um......not really. If you see what I am getting at. Hope that would not happen again even for just one show.
JRNYMAN wrote:If AP got sick - not long-term sick, just the 24-hour, flu-like kind of sick. Given the fact that there are 2 other bands on the bill which makes rescheduling a show next to impossible, would Deen take over on vox for that one night while still drumming? He's obviously capable and can easily pull it off but, I'm just curious how they would handle it.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Rediculous. There's no way Journey would have the drummer sing the entire show. Come on now. That's like saying Kiss would have Peter Criss sing an entire show since he could do Beth, if there was no one else from the band who could sing that night. Or....is it just me who thinks this way?
Paul Stanley has fallen ill and is unable to perform at KISS's show tonight (Friday, July 27, 2007) in San Jacinto, CA. He's been sent to a local hospital with throat problems (not officially confirmed; there is also a **unsubstantiated** report on a KISS fan site that Paul's heart was approaching 200 beats per minute and that medical personnel tried medicines to bring it down but that it didn't work). Stanley did perform at the soundcheck this afternoon around 6:00 p.m. PST. Gene Simmons carried the show and KISS played as a three-piece with fans joining them onstage early in the set to fill in for Paul.
The final setlist was as follows:
01. Deuce
02. Cold Gin
03. Calling Dr. Love
04. (Long Pause) Christeen Sixteen
05. Nothin' to Lose (w/ Eric Singer on vocals)
06. I Love it Loud
07. Goin' Blind
08. Watchin' You
09. She
10. Parasite
11. God of Thunder
12. Let Me Go, Rock 'N Roll
13. Black Diamond (w/ Eric Singer on vocals)
14. Rock and Roll All Night
scarab wrote:call me if this ever happens!
would go anywhere in the US to see deen sing a majority of songs. The guy has soul!
Arnel is purely paint but the numbers, talent he has, but unfortunately its in mimicry.
So sad when Journey management called the fans idiots, and the don't have the IQ to understand a drummer singing.
What do they think we are all from Wisconsin???
...and parts of Arkansas..... right Rip?steveo777 wrote:scarab wrote:call me if this ever happens!
would go anywhere in the US to see deen sing a majority of songs. The guy has soul!
Arnel is purely paint but the numbers, talent he has, but unfortunately its in mimicry.
So sad when Journey management called the fans idiots, and the don't have the IQ to understand a drummer singing.
What do they think we are all from Wisconsin???
W.Virginia............
FamilyMan wrote:Guessing they could revert to a Generations-era set list (Act 1) with Jon handling Rollie era songs and Deen could finish up with the Perry era. No one would be happier than Neal...
FamilyMan wrote:Deen's got chops - and he's a nice featured player for a song or two in a set. Don't think I could take him for a whole night, as much as I love the guy. Interesting that in all the pre-Pineda turmoil, they never considered Deen as a permanent lead singer (to my knowledge).
JRNYMAN wrote:FamilyMan wrote:Deen's got chops - and he's a nice featured player for a song or two in a set. Don't think I could take him for a whole night, as much as I love the guy. Interesting that in all the pre-Pineda turmoil, they never considered Deen as a permanent lead singer (to my knowledge).
Actually, the discussion never even came up with regard to Deen singing lead vox because he had already made it crystal clear that he is a drummer first and a singer 2nd to everything else. The fact that he gets to sing a song or two per show (when they're actually allowing him to do so....) is exactly the way he wants it. The songs he does sing are his favorites which works out great for him - under one condition...... that he sings from behind his drum kit. After Augeri's last show, Jim, Deen's tech took over the drum duties and Deen came out to center stage for that one single show. And while everything went off without a hitch and he did a fantastic job, it nearly caused him to have a nervous breakdown!![]()
Seriously, as long as he has that buffer between him and the audience, he's perfectly fine. But, unfortunately Deen suffers from extreme stage fright when the focus is on him without his kit as his "shield". He gets so nervous that he literally psyches himself into a state of absolute terror. The color drains from his face, he starts to shake, his palms gush with perspiration, his field of vision goes white and he feels like he's going to pass out at any second the entire time he's out from behind his kit.
So, basically, him ever being the lead singer on a full time basis was a moot point.
He loves the time he gets to sing when the situation/powers that be allow and consistently delivers flawless, strong high harmonies night after night but his role in Journey, Hardline, Bad English, etc. is/was as the drummer and backing vocals.
Now, as for the scenario I proposed, he could most definitely pull it off for one night from behind his kit. There have been several bands whose drummer was the lead vocalist and the two duties never interfered with one another.
Hi Michelle!!! Long time no see/chit-chat.la michelona wrote:JRNYMAN wrote:FamilyMan wrote:Deen's got chops - and he's a nice featured player for a song or two in a set. Don't think I could take him for a whole night, as much as I love the guy. Interesting that in all the pre-Pineda turmoil, they never considered Deen as a permanent lead singer (to my knowledge).
Actually, the discussion never even came up with regard to Deen singing lead vox because he had already made it crystal clear that he is a drummer first and a singer 2nd to everything else. The fact that he gets to sing a song or two per show (when they're actually allowing him to do so....) is exactly the way he wants it. The songs he does sing are his favorites which works out great for him - under one condition...... that he sings from behind his drum kit. After Augeri's last show, Jim, Deen's tech took over the drum duties and Deen came out to center stage for that one single show. And while everything went off without a hitch and he did a fantastic job, it nearly caused him to have a nervous breakdown!![]()
Seriously, as long as he has that buffer between him and the audience, he's perfectly fine. But, unfortunately Deen suffers from extreme stage fright when the focus is on him without his kit as his "shield". He gets so nervous that he literally psyches himself into a state of absolute terror. The color drains from his face, he starts to shake, his palms gush with perspiration, his field of vision goes white and he feels like he's going to pass out at any second the entire time he's out from behind his kit.
So, basically, him ever being the lead singer on a full time basis was a moot point.
He loves the time he gets to sing when the situation/powers that be allow and consistently delivers flawless, strong high harmonies night after night but his role in Journey, Hardline, Bad English, etc. is/was as the drummer and backing vocals.
Now, as for the scenario I proposed, he could most definitely pull it off for one night from behind his kit. There have been several bands whose drummer was the lead vocalist and the two duties never interfered with one another.
Ummm, actually:
In fact, before Arnel Pineda joined the band, the most Steve Perry-sound-a-like in Journey may have been Castronovo. On those pre-Arnel tours, Castronovo would take over lead vocals on songs like, “Mother, Father” and “Still They Ride” with incredible Perry-like quality. He admits there was even a point after Perry and before Pineda that there were discussions about whether he should be the lead singer. But Castronovo said it was an easy decision for him.
“I was not interested. I’m not a front man. Number one, I’m not a front man. Number 2, yeah, I could sing the songs but I don’t know how long I could last. Number 3, I’ve got an arsenal of stuff around me so no one has to look at me. And number 4, the fans are so critical. They are very critical, and if you blow it, if you have a rough night, they’re not afraid to tell you, and I’m really thin skinned when it comes to that stuff. Ultra thin skinned,” admitted Castronovo who said he stays away from fan message boards and social media pages. “If I see one negative thing, it stays with me for days. It just breaks my heart.
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The Sushi Hunter wrote:If AP wasn't able to sing, I serously doubt that they'd have the drummer do the entire show. A replacement singer, I could see that and I can also see the other members singing more. But I think they would cancel or postpone the show until either AP was back to doing the job or until they found someone else who was capable of doing it. I think the last resort would be the pre-recorded vocals as someone I think mentioned early on.
SF-Dano wrote:Steve Augeri's last show with the band, Def Leppard/Journey tour. I believe SA came out and tried to work through the first two songs but couldn't not do it. Deen steps out front on vox for the rest of the concert with his drum tech taking over on the skins. Only happened the one show as they then rushed in Soto who took over on lead vox for the rest of the tour. This is how I heard it went down. I wasn't there, so I can definitely be corrected if this is wrong.
SF-Dano wrote:Steve Augeri's last show with the band, Def Leppard/Journey tour. I believe SA came out and tried to work through the first two songs but couldn't not do it. Deen steps out front on vox for the rest of the concert with his drum tech taking over on the skins. Only happened the one show as they then rushed in Soto who took over on lead vox for the rest of the tour. This is how I heard it went down. I wasn't there, so I can definitely be corrected if this is wrong.
SF-Dano wrote:Steve Augeri's last show with the band, Def Leppard/Journey tour. I believe SA came out and tried to work through the first two songs but couldn't not do it. Deen steps out front on vox for the rest of the concert with his drum tech taking over on the skins. Only happened the one show as they then rushed in Soto who took over on lead vox for the rest of the tour. This is how I heard it went down. I wasn't there, so I can definitely be corrected if this is wrong.
JRNYMAN wrote:FamilyMan wrote:Deen's got chops - and he's a nice featured player for a song or two in a set. Don't think I could take him for a whole night, as much as I love the guy. Interesting that in all the pre-Pineda turmoil, they never considered Deen as a permanent lead singer (to my knowledge).
Actually, the discussion never even came up with regard to Deen singing lead vox because he had already made it crystal clear that he is a drummer first and a singer 2nd to everything else. The fact that he gets to sing a song or two per show (when they're actually allowing him to do so....) is exactly the way he wants it. The songs he does sing are his favorites which works out great for him - under one condition...... that he sings from behind his drum kit. After Augeri's last show, Jim, Deen's tech took over the drum duties and Deen came out to center stage for that one single show. And while everything went off without a hitch and he did a fantastic job, it nearly caused him to have a nervous breakdown!![]()
Seriously, as long as he has that buffer between him and the audience, he's perfectly fine. But, unfortunately Deen suffers from extreme stage fright when the focus is on him without his kit as his "shield". He gets so nervous that he literally psyches himself into a state of absolute terror. The color drains from his face, he starts to shake, his palms gush with perspiration, his field of vision goes white and he feels like he's going to pass out at any second the entire time he's out from behind his kit.
So, basically, him ever being the lead singer on a full time basis was a moot point.
He loves the time he gets to sing when the situation/powers that be allow and consistently delivers flawless, strong high harmonies night after night but his role in Journey, Hardline, Bad English, etc. is/was as the drummer and backing vocals.
Now, as for the scenario I proposed, he could most definitely pull it off for one night from behind his kit. There have been several bands whose drummer was the lead vocalist and the two duties never interfered with one another.
Archetype wrote:Is there any footage of Deen singing as a front man?
Both La Michelona and I answered that question in detail above.The Sushi Hunter wrote:Very interesting read. I'm currious why they never just had Deen be the lead singer for the band after that if he's that good.
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