Eat to live...Food that kills

[SF-Dano]

I totally believe that the quality of food we have in America today is the cause of the increased rate of chronic diseases in the country.

Genetic Roulette the movie - check it out while it is still up on the tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCSWY05u4Q

[The Sushi Hunter]

I totally believe that the quality of food we have in America today is the cause of the increased rate of chronic diseases in the country.

Genetic Roulette the movie - check it out while it is still up on the tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCSWY05u4Q

Your right. People eat the shittiest stuff these days. Just go to the local grocery and check out all the stuff people are loading up their carts with to bring hom. It's pathetic. And then you got the fast food crowd who load up on Carl's Jr. McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, Wendy's, etc. all the time. So lets say that this crap food they are eating causes them to have sleep issues. But instead of eating right to fix the problem, they take a pill instead which gives them anywhere between 3 to 5 negative side effects right off the bat, not including any possible long term side effects.

[Monker]

I totally believe that the quality of food we have in America today is the cause of the increased rate of chronic diseases in the country.

Genetic Roulette the movie - check it out while it is still up on the tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCSWY05u4Q

Your right. People eat the shittiest stuff these days. Just go to the local grocery and check out all the stuff people are loading up their carts with to bring hom. It's pathetic. And then you got the fast food crowd who load up on Carl's Jr. McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, Wendy's, etc. all the time. So lets say that this crap food they are eating causes them to have sleep issues. But instead of eating right to fix the problem, they take a pill instead which gives them anywhere between 3 to 5 negative side effects right off the bat, not including any possible long term side effects.

First of all, I think the GMO debate is over blown BS. There is some truth in the argument, but it is VERY exaggerated.

Second, when you go to the grocery store and buy produce, almost NONE of it is grown in the US. It is to the point where some meat is not from US livestock. Buy in season, buy local...go to farmer's markets, join a farm coop, whatever. It's more expensive, but it's better quality.

Lastly, fast food is not 'healthy', but I absolutely do not agree that it is super bad for you. Moderation, once in a while but not constantly...that is the key.

[The Sushi Hunter]

My deal is I've been cooking since I was a teenager and about 85% of those summertime jobs that I spoke of that I had during my highschool years was in restaurants ranging from dishwashing, prep cook to cook, waiter. So with that experience I know how to whip up some serious good wholesome food in my own kitchen.

To me it's not so much where the food is grown, but more the quality. Of course I purchase American grown and raised above anything else. Sometimes I'm in a situation where I can't because what I'm making calls for something imported from Italy or Japan. I cook primarily Italian and Japanese dishes. Italian because my last gig was at an Italian restaurant where my boss who was the owner taught me some tricks on how to make great Italian food and Japanese because I lived there and learned how to cook some of the food that I really love to eat from there. Real Japanese food is much different then the Japanese fusion that you get in America.

With my background and taste in what good food is, absolutely no meals canned, frozen, freeze dried, because in those you got lots of preservatives and tons of sodium. Usually canned meals are made from lower quality items because it's canned and you really don't see what it looked like before it was prepped, usually stuff they can't sell as is. Absolutely no cured and canned meats such as bacon, sausage, ham, lunch meat, hotdogs, spam, jerky, slim jims, etc. That's self explanitory, but consider this, every time one of these meat processing plants go south, they call in the HazMat team to deal with it. That should be a pretty good indication of what goes into the products that are manufactured there. I also go as far as to not eat pork either. The "other" white meat to me is turkey breast, not pork. Absolutely no fast food like McDonalds, Burger King, Carl's Jr. Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack In The Box, etc. Not only is the food bad because of low quality of what's in it and how it's prepped, but also consider who's making it.

I laugh when I see the guy dancing around on the corner with a Little Ceasars sign offering a large pizza for $5.99. What goes into that where the company can make a large pizza and sell it for only $5.99 and still make a profit? Sawdust? Cardboard? Water, salt and flour with catsup on top?

[Monker]

My deal is I've been cooking since I was a teenager and about 85% of those summertime jobs that I spoke of that I had during my highschool years was in restaurants ranging from dishwashing, prep cook to cook, waiter. So with that experience I know how to whip up some serious good wholesome food in my kitchen.

To me it's not so much where the food is grown, but more the quality. Of course I purchase American grown and raised above anything else. Sometimes I'm in a situation where I can't because what I'm making calls for something imported from Italy or Japan. I cook primarily Italian and Japanese dishes. Italian because my last gig was at an Italian restaurant where my boss who was the owner taught me some tricks on how to make great Italian food and Japanese because I lived there and learned to cook some of the food that I really love to eat from there.

With my background and taste in what good food is, absolutely no meals canned, frozen, freeze dried, because in those you got lots of preservatives and tons of sodium. Usually canned meals are made from lower quality items because it's canned and you really don't see what it looked like before it was prepped, usually stuff they can't sell as is. Absolutely no cured and canned meats such as bacon, sausage, ham, lunch meat, hotdogs, spam, jerky, slim jims, etc. That's self explanitory, but consider this, every time one of these meat processing plants go south, they call in the HazMat team to deal with it. That should be a pretty good indication of what goes into the products that are manufactured there. Absolutely no fast food like McDonalds, Burger King, Carl's Jr. Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack In The Box, etc. Not only is the food bad because of low quality of what's in it and how it's prepped, but also consider who's making it.

I laugh when I see the guy dancing around on the corner with a Little Ceasars sign offering a large pizza for $5.99. What goes into that where the company can make a large pizza and sell it for only $5.99 and still make a profit? Sawdust? Cardboard? Water, salt and flour with catsup on top?

You make a long know-it-all speech like this and then end it with an ignorant comment. Pizza is one of the cheapest foods you can make. If you paid any attention in your Italian restaurant you supposedly worked at, you would know this. I mean, really: flour, water, salt, yeast, sauce and cheese. Where Little Caeser's skimps is on the toppings - the most expensive part. So, there's your answer. It probably only costs them a few bucks a pizza.

Then you say quality matters to you more then where something is grown. Do you even realize how ignorant that statement is? You think that a locally grown ripened tomato is not any better then a tomato grown in Mexico or who knows where? And, some canned food IS good. Canned tomatoes are going to be better then generic tomatoes grown in Mexico which are picked before they are ripe and shipped across the country to ripen in the truck or on the shelf. Things like peas are actually BETTER frozen then what you can buy fresh. So, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUYING.

And, cured foods. Really? Again, there is nothing overly dangerous about this...you can make cured ham and bacon at home if you want to. The fact is in some ways cured meats are 'safer' then non-cured in that you are not going to get food poisoning from them directly. The only issue is the salt nitrite/nitrate content....as I said moderation.

You make some statements that make it seem you know what you are talking about....and others make you sound like an idiot to anybody who does know the subject.[/code]

[The Sushi Hunter]

We didn't make pizza in the Italian restaurant where I worked.

As for the know it all, where at in what I wrote did I indicate I know it all? I'm simply giving my opinion on what I think is good and explaining why I have that opinion.

Are you bipolar by any chance Monker?

[Yoda]

We didn't make pizza in the Italian restaurant where I worked.

As for the know it all, where at in what I wrote did I indicate I know it all? I'm simply giving my opinion on what I think is good and explaining why I have that opinion.

Are you bipolar by any chance Monker?

[The Sushi Hunter]

We didn't make pizza in the Italian restaurant where I worked.

As for the know it all, where at in what I wrote did I indicate I know it all? I'm simply giving my opinion on what I think is good and explaining why I have that opinion.

Are you bipolar by any chance Monker?

Anyone who freaks out over a stupid cooking topic and has to turn it into a debate or challenge has to have some type of mental issues, know what I mean?

[slucero]

Working as a cook does not make one an "expert" on agriculture... I think that was Monker's point.. which you apparently completely missed and instead of countering with credentials or something, you simply chose to attack him personally and call him "bi-polar"...

that's very adult of you.



And the "stupid topic" was the movie SF-Dano posted.

You made it about your cooking/food expertise with your 2nd post.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Working as a cook does not make one an "expert" on agriculture... I think that was Monker's point.. which you apparently completely missed and instead of countering with credentials or something, you simply chose to call him "bi-polar"...

that's very adult of you.

And the "stupid topic" was the movie SF-Dano posted.

You made it about your cooking/food expertise with your 2nd post.

My bad, I thought it was a thread on a serious issue of what people are eating these days. Frozen $5.99 pizzas with no experation dates on them simply because salt doesn't expire, for everybody! Lets eat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoRZyElm5_g

That's right, it doesn't make me an expert, just an expert on what makes me healthy, happy and content. Sorry for the confusion there.

[slucero]

Working as a cook does not make one an "expert" on agriculture... I think that was Monker's point.. which you apparently completely missed and instead of countering with credentials or something, you simply chose to call him "bi-polar"...

that's very adult of you.

And the "stupid topic" was the movie SF-Dano posted.

You made it about your cooking/food expertise with your 2nd post.

My bad, I thought it was a thread on a serious issue of what people are eating these days. Frozen $5.99 pizzas for everybody! Lets eat!

That's right, it doesn't make me an expert, just an expert on what makes me healthy, happy and content. Sorry for the confusion there.

Maybe you should watch the movie, you know the thread topic... it's about genetically modified (GM) crops being grown and the consequence of that becoming part of the food we eat, not how it's cooked...


Maybe you should apologize to Monker for the bi-polar comment, because it was fairly insensitive and rude.

[Monker]

We didn't make pizza in the Italian restaurant where I worked.

As for the know it all, where at in what I wrote did I indicate I know it all? I'm simply giving my opinion on what I think is good and explaining why I have that opinion.

Are you bipolar by any chance Monker?

Of course I am. What kinda moron would only believe in either the north or south pole, but not both?

[Monker]

We didn't make pizza in the Italian restaurant where I worked.

As for the know it all, where at in what I wrote did I indicate I know it all? I'm simply giving my opinion on what I think is good and explaining why I have that opinion.

Are you bipolar by any chance Monker?

Anyone who freaks out over a stupid cooking topic and has to turn it into a debate or challenge has to have some type of mental issues, know what I mean?

I saw a post full of statements that are simply NOT TRUE, by a person who tried to qualify himself as someone who seems to think he knows about the subject. So, I replied to it because of that. Mental issue, sure, you can believe that if it makes you feel better or something.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Last weekend I saw this chick walking out of a Papa Murphy's pizza substation and I swear to God her ass was as wide as the doors on a freight elevator.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Corn has been "worked" on for many years now. They are constantly trying to modify it.

In regards to the pizza, chew on this:

http://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutri ... roni-pizza
23% sodium per slice. Dude, skip the middle man and just eat salt straight out of the box.

And this one is 42% sodium:

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories- ... eat-i63563

Working as a cook does not make one an "expert" on agriculture... I think that was Monker's point.. which you apparently completely missed and instead of countering with credentials or something, you simply chose to call him "bi-polar"...

that's very adult of you.

And the "stupid topic" was the movie SF-Dano posted.

You made it about your cooking/food expertise with your 2nd post.

My bad, I thought it was a thread on a serious issue of what people are eating these days. Frozen $5.99 pizzas for everybody! Lets eat!

That's right, it doesn't make me an expert, just an expert on what makes me healthy, happy and content. Sorry for the confusion there.

Maybe you should watch the movie, you know the thread topic... it's about genetically modified (GM) crops being grown and the consequence of that becoming part of the food we eat, not how it's cooked...


Maybe you should apologize to Monker for the bi-polar comment, because it was fairly insensitive and rude.

[Monker]

Last weekend I saw this chick walking out of a Papa Murphy's pizza substation and I swear to God her ass was as wide as the doors on a freight elevator.

So, I guess your point is that you like heavy women. Well, at least you like staring at them. Kinda creepy, actually.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Last weekend I saw this chick walking out of a Papa Murphy's pizza substation and I swear to God her ass was as wide as the doors on a freight elevator.

So, I guess your point is that you like heavy women. Well, at least you like staring at them. Kinda creepy, actually.

I wasn't the only one looking at her. All the help behind the counter was behaving more like deer in the headlights, looking at her scrapping through the front doorway, along with everyone else in and around the area. She parked in the loading zone. Plus, haven't you ever seen something so disgusting that you just had to look at it?

[Monker]

Corn - It's been 'worked' for CENTURIES now.

Pizza - Who is arguing that its healthy? Moderation. I'd rather make my own. Should I post my recipie's so you can critique those?

Corn has been "worked" on for many years now. They are constantly trying to modify it.

In regards to the pizza, chew on this:

http://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutri ... roni-pizza
23% sodium per slice. Dude, skip the middle man and just eat salt straight out of the box.

And this one is 42% sodium:

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories- ... eat-i63563

Working as a cook does not make one an "expert" on agriculture... I think that was Monker's point.. which you apparently completely missed and instead of countering with credentials or something, you simply chose to call him "bi-polar"...

that's very adult of you.

And the "stupid topic" was the movie SF-Dano posted.

You made it about your cooking/food expertise with your 2nd post.

My bad, I thought it was a thread on a serious issue of what people are eating these days. Frozen $5.99 pizzas for everybody! Lets eat!

That's right, it doesn't make me an expert, just an expert on what makes me healthy, happy and content. Sorry for the confusion there.

Maybe you should watch the movie, you know the thread topic... it's about genetically modified (GM) crops being grown and the consequence of that becoming part of the food we eat, not how it's cooked...


Maybe you should apologize to Monker for the bi-polar comment, because it was fairly insensitive and rude.

[The Sushi Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzaZWH97vPs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPiYUqqaJDo

http://www.cspinet.org/nah/10foods_bad.html

[Monker]

I totally believe that the quality of food we have in America today is the cause of the increased rate of chronic diseases in the country.

Genetic Roulette the movie - check it out while it is still up on the tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCSWY05u4Q

I've watched about half of this documentary so far, but I can tell you right now it is full of half truths, and exagerations.

The first thing that tipped me off to this was their talk of the gene gun and how it totally changes the genetics of a plant and therefore our body looks at it as a foreign entity and blah, blah, blah. First of all there are more modern ways of inserting traits then using a gene gun which not so random. But, even with a gene gun the changed cell is cloned and tested repeatedly to verify the desired trait exists. It is then bred into corn seed by old school methods....so you are getting this destroyed random gene in your corn...it is simply NOT TRUE. And, all of that follow that chain of thought are also NOT TRUE.

The exploding stomach is also a huge leap. What actually happens is the starches expand inside the insects stomaach and it explodes. That is at an organ level, not a cell level. Cell problems within our body is a totally different thing.

Then there is the Round Up Ready trait. They are so over-reaching in this section...basically saying that there is a study that RoundUp is found in the tissues of people who ate RoundUp Ready corn. Then jump to the conclusion that our guts are somehow producing RoundUp. This is just bizarre. They ate corn TREATED WITH ROUNDUP...it should be expected that herbicide would be in their system....no need to weird fairytale levels.

That is about all the further I got into this...it's like watching a propaganda film to me. A shred of truth surrounded by a lot of lies and exaggerations. Or, a better comparison, it's like those Ancient Alien shows on History channel.

[AR]

From 5:03 - 5:14 - Louie DePalma comments on nutrition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t20YSMmA ... re=related

[Arianddu]

http://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutri ... roni-pizza
23% sodium per slice. Dude, skip the middle man and just eat salt straight out of the box.

And this one is 42% sodium:

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories- ... eat-i63563

Dude, no it's fucking not. It's 42% of your recommended daily sodium intake. BIG difference. Amount wise, it's about 1/6th of a teaspoon of salt.

[No Surprize]

Life's way to fucking short to worry about what your eating. Fuck it, I'm going to eat what I want, when I want. If you moderately exercise in any way, if you

get outside and sweat a little with some type of work, you'll live. What's the average life span of male & female now here in the United States? 75 for men and 77

for women probably? I'll take that and some if I'm able, but who want's to live to be 95? Fuck that, everyone you have ever known will be dead, you would most

likely never eat a bacon strip again. What's the point in trying to hit the century mark? I'm going to live my life and have fun doing it and if I want to eat a pizza

with extra fucking cheese every night for a week, so be it.

[SF-Dano]

You know I agree with anything in moderation philosophy, but when you don't know what is in the shit you are eating??? I may be one of the few that didn't know, but had no idea there was actual pesticide in the food now. I came from the generation that said "wash your fruits and vegetables" well before eating them. That does no good when the shit is in the food. More importantly, now as a father, if I am feeding my kid chemical crap, I want to know it. If I take him to MCDs or the ilk, I know he is not getting quality food. That is why it is a rare occurrence. I just don't see the harm of labeling foods for what they contain and with a nice easy single label on the front of the box/bag or on the sign at the produce. Organic doesn't cover it as I have come to find out. At least we would have a way to choose.

And what is with the increased rate of diseases in our youth in the US? Type 1 Diabetes up, Asthma up, Digestive diseases up, Cancer up, etc.? Any explanations? Is it the food? The air? What?

[No Surprize]

You know I agree with anything in moderation philosophy, but when you don't know what is in the shit you are eating??? I may be one of the few that didn't know, but had no idea there was actual pesticide in the food now. I came from the generation that said "wash your fruits and vegetables" well before eating them. That does no good when the shit is in the food. More importantly, now as a father, if I am feeding my kid chemical crap, I want to know it. If I take him to MCDs or the ilk, I know he is not getting quality food. That is why it is a rare occurrence. I just don't see the harm of labeling foods for what they contain and with a nice easy single label on the front of the box/bag or on the sign at the produce. Organic doesn't cover it as I have come to find out. At least we would have a way to choose.

And what is with the increased rate of diseases in our youth in the US? Type 1 Diabetes up, Asthma up, Digestive diseases up, Cancer up, etc.? Any explanations? Is it the food? The air? What?

All of it probably. I have a garden at my home, it started as a little patch, then grew. I plant collards, snap peas, tomatoes, okra and more. The hardest problem

with it is keeping the damn squirrels away from it. It's the way to go if you want actual fresh & pesticide free veggies.

[TRAGChick]

Your right.

People eat the shittiest stuff these days.
Just go to the local grocery and check out all the stuff people are loading up their carts with to bring hom. It's pathetic.

And then you got the fast food crowd who load up on Carl's Jr. McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, Wendy's, etc. all the time.

So lets say that this crap food they are eating causes them to have sleep issues.

But instead of eating right to fix the problem, they take a pill instead which gives them anywhere between 3 to 5 negative side effects right off the bat,
not including any possible long term side effects.

OH MY GOD AND HALLELUJAH!!!

THANK YOU!

That's been my thought process for the last 15 years...these days, I've given up on all of that crap.
But, it's a nasty circle...because I was poor, back in those years, I LITERALLY had NO MONEY, and had to eat at those places.

But now.....my diet is better, with healthy salads, chicken, some starches, etc.

So, my argument is:

If you MAKE ENOUGH MONEY, and have children to feed....
GET CREATIVE!

There's NO EXCUSE these days...you can go online, and find the simplest recipes for chicken and vegetables, etc.