Schon bewildered by Perry silence

[The Sushi Hunter]

My take is the press always like to sensationalize....keeping the messageboards inflamed. I read Neal said he couldn't under why "WE" can't just pick up the phone and talk. Where does it say which one tried to call and which one didn't answer?

No doubt Neal is friendly with Gregg, Smitty, and probably every other Journey bandmate (past and present) but SP. If it bothers him so much, why not (like Slucie suggested) fly down to Del Mar and bang on the door?

Cuz there's probably the longest running restraining order ever created.

Restraining order?!? What's the cause????

Yeah, no one can just go out and get a restraining order on someone, there is a process and some type of serious cause has to be proved in order for a court to issue one. And in this specific case, Neal would have fought Perry in court to prevent one from being issued against him.

Unless you're all just joking about this and not serious, of course. I know a little about them only because back when my wife was my girlfriend, she had to take one out on a former co-worker of hers who was stalking her. The guy fought tooth and nail not to get it because it would be a criminal record against him if it was issued. From what I learned from the experience, there has to be a very good reason for getting one, not just because you don't like the person, the person has to commit some type of serious act against you for one to be issued. The defense attorney will do whatever it takes to prevent his client from having a restraining order issued against him.

So long story short, Neal would have had to have done something serious to Perry in order to have a restraining order issued, and we would have all heard about what that was if something like that did occur. And if Perry just wanted a restraining order against Neal on the premise of bad feelings between the two of them, Neal wouldn’t have just said fine file it, he would have fought it in court since it would be considered a criminal record against him if a restraining order was issued.

[Yoda]

Eh...I take this stuff with a grain of salt. Believe me, if either side truly wanted to be "friends" and collaborate, it would have already happened.

[Rick]

I would bet that SP doesn't take their calls, if he really gets them, because he knows why they're calling. They want him to sing. If SP doesn't want to sing, then why answer? All they're going to do is try to talk him into it. If SP doesn't think he's strong enough to say a flat no, or he's afraid they'll talk him into it, and get out there and it not turn out very well, then he's probably worried that he will be kicked around on every news outlet. Who needs that shit? It's easier just not to take the call.

[Marabelle]

Now I just don't understand why it seems that most people are encouraging Mr. Perry not to make a call to his bandmates or answer a call from them after all these years. I'm sure you have been in situations where you felt others have disrespected you and you might have sworn that you would never talk to that person again because of what he or she said or did to you...but you did. We've all had teachers who encouraged us to live by the golden rule or your mother probably insisted you forgive a friend for doing something so terrible that you still can't speak of it today. Pride is only going to get you so far but forgiveness is divine.

[FamilyMan]

I would bet that SP doesn't take their calls, if he really gets them, because he knows why they're calling. They want him to sing. If SP doesn't want to sing, then why answer? All they're going to do is try to talk him into it. If SP doesn't think he's strong enough to say a flat no, or he's afraid they'll talk him into it, and get out there and it not turn out very well, then he's probably worried that he will be kicked around on every news outlet. Who needs that shit? It's easier just not to take the call.

I think that's right on.

[steveo777]

I would bet that SP doesn't take their calls, if he really gets them, because he knows why they're calling. They want him to sing. If SP doesn't want to sing, then why answer? All they're going to do is try to talk him into it. If SP doesn't think he's strong enough to say a flat no, or he's afraid they'll talk him into it, and get out there and it not turn out very well, then he's probably worried that he will be kicked around on every news outlet. Who needs that shit? It's easier just not to take the call.

I think that's right on.

They might want him to "guest". I'm sure they know that taking him on tour and expecting anything would be a far reach. I've said it before, but maybe they could find value to each other in other ways, such as collaborative efforts. How would that be a bad deal for Steve, unless it would make him uncomfortable, knowing he might no longer have the chops to sing the songs? I think they all know the answer to that, but still Neal would like to talk to him. Steve shouldn't be afraid, as I'm sure there are no ulterior motives on Neal's part.

I think the bottom line is that Journey fractured the stone and Steve's still pissed about it. That's just business and if that is the case, someone needs to grow up a bit. Look at the success Journey has had touring without him. How could he blame them?

[slucero]

I would bet that SP doesn't take their calls, if he really gets them, because he knows why they're calling. They want him to sing. If SP doesn't want to sing, then why answer? All they're going to do is try to talk him into it. If SP doesn't think he's strong enough to say a flat no, or he's afraid they'll talk him into it, and get out there and it not turn out very well, then he's probably worried that he will be kicked around on every news outlet. Who needs that shit? It's easier just not to take the call.

I think that's right on.

They might want him to "guest". I'm sure they know that taking him on tour and expecting anything would be a far reach. I've said it before, but maybe they could find value to each other in other ways, such as collaborative efforts. How would that be a bad deal for Steve, unless it would make him uncomfortable, knowing he might no longer have the chops to sing the songs? I think they all know the answer to that, but still Neal would like to talk to him. Steve shouldn't be afraid, as I'm sure there are no ulterior motives on Neal's part.

I think the bottom line is that Journey fractured the stone and Steve's still pissed about it. That's just business and if that is the case, someone needs to grow up a bit. Look at the success Journey has had touring without him. How could he blame them?

Simply based on what we have, which is comments and interviews by Perry and Schon:

• Schon has leveled and fired off both barrels at Perry... (aforementioned "fuck him" comment)
• Perry has never said anything disparaging (to my knowledge) about ANY band member..

So it's easy to speculate that Perry could be mad, but that's all it is.. speculation. Because, based on the interviews and public statements we we have from SP, there is no indication he is. On the other hand, the only one who's said anything disparaging is Neal.. which logically makes him the angry one.. and the logical suspect with regards to "ulterior motives"...

Who has the most to gain is the obvious question here.

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[steveo777]

I would bet that SP doesn't take their calls, if he really gets them, because he knows why they're calling. They want him to sing. If SP doesn't want to sing, then why answer? All they're going to do is try to talk him into it. If SP doesn't think he's strong enough to say a flat no, or he's afraid they'll talk him into it, and get out there and it not turn out very well, then he's probably worried that he will be kicked around on every news outlet. Who needs that shit? It's easier just not to take the call.

I think that's right on.

They might want him to "guest". I'm sure they know that taking him on tour and expecting anything would be a far reach. I've said it before, but maybe they could find value to each other in other ways, such as collaborative efforts. How would that be a bad deal for Steve, unless it would make him uncomfortable, knowing he might no longer have the chops to sing the songs? I think they all know the answer to that, but still Neal would like to talk to him. Steve shouldn't be afraid, as I'm sure there are no ulterior motives on Neal's part.

I think the bottom line is that Journey fractured the stone and Steve's still pissed about it. That's just business and if that is the case, someone needs to grow up a bit. Look at the success Journey has had touring without him. How could he blame them?

Simply based on what we have, which is comments and interviews by Perry and Schon:

• Schon has leveled and fired off both barrels at Perry... (aforementioned "fuck him" comment)
• Perry has never said anything disparaging (to my knowledge) about ANY band member..

So it's easy to speculate that Perry could be mad, but that's all it is.. speculation. Because, based on the interviews and public statements we we have from SP, there is no indication he is. On the other hand, the only one who's said anything disparaging is Neal.. which logically makes him the angry one.. and the logical suspect with regards to "ulterior motives"...

Who has the most to gain is the obvious question here.

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You never know. Maybe Neal just wants to give him a hug and say "sorry man". The way I see it, they both need to apologize. I don't see this happening any time soon. Will they wait until they are both wearing Depends? (cue Grumpy Old Men)

[STORY_TELLER]

quote from Perry:
"Neal and I have had our problems over the years. We probably don’t like each other very much, because we had a lot of time together. But I know we love each other."


It's kind of like two divorced people speaking again after many years apart. Starts out fine, but at some point, the personality differences will surface and an argument will start.
As people they're oil and water. I think it's really that simple. I think Perry loves Schon creatively but they just don't get along personally and he'd rather leave it alone.

[DracIsBack]

The way I see it, they both need to apologize. I don't see this happening any time soon.

The way I see it, none of us were there.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Whatever it is that happened between the two must be really something personal, to 1) keep them from getting back together after so many years and 2) keep anyone from really disclosing what it exactly is publically.

[tater1977]

MW: That makes sense. So, what I was going to ask was if creatively, is there any reason in your mind that you’d ever want to make another album with Steve? Is there any uncovered ground there?

Schon : "I think as Journey, I don’t see that happening. I think that we’ve all moved on and Journey is what it is now. If he were to come into what we’re doing now, it would be a different thing. I wish him well, you know? I hope that someday, that we can get to the point to where I can pick up the telephone and I can talk to him without talking through management and attorneys. I still don’t quite realize why we can’t just talk one on one, for whatever reason, just to say hello – not to pressure anybody to do anything or anything like that – it wouldn’t be like that. [It would be] just in a friendly manner. So we’ll see what happens man. We’re doing just fine where we’re at though. "

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey- ... olo-album/

[JRNYMAN]

Knowing how sacred Perry holds the Journey name and all that it/they accomplished together, it's a pretty safe bet Perry wants even more distance between himself and Schon at this point in time given Neal's recent shenanigans which of course tarnished the band's name to some extent. Just my opinion....

[FamilyMan]

Knowing how sacred Perry holds the Journey name and all that it/they accomplished together, it's a pretty safe bet Perry wants even more distance between himself and Schon at this point in time given Neal's recent shenanigans which of course tarnished the band's name to some extent. Just my opinion....

Right, but as much distance as he may say he wants, there's very few Sony re-masters or packages that he doesn't sign right up to remix or take some part in. For a guy who claims to no longer be a member of Journey, he sure has lot to do with it.

[JRNYMAN]

Knowing how sacred Perry holds the Journey name and all that it/they accomplished together, it's a pretty safe bet Perry wants even more distance between himself and Schon at this point in time given Neal's recent shenanigans which of course tarnished the band's name to some extent. Just my opinion....

Right, but as much distance as he may say he wants, there's very few Sony re-masters or packages that he doesn't sign right up to remix or take some part in. For a guy who claims to no longer be a member of Journey, he sure has lot to do with it.

Exactly - which further makes my point. He wants to make sure that anything and everything that bears the Journey name and is his collaboration passes his approval so as to preserve a certain standard.

[Onestepper]

Take it for what it's worth, but a buddy of mine is a local DJ for a station that was sponsoring the Journey show in St. Louis a few summers ago. He told me that he was backstage and asked NS if he ever thought Perry would return. Schon told him in no uncertain terms that he hated Perry. He literally said "he told me that he hates his guts for what he did to the band" And he felt the feeling was genuine. My point is that if he really felt that way, I'm pretty sure it's gotten back to Perry at some point. Who knows.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Who knows... is right.

[JRNYMAN]

Take it for what it's worth, but a buddy of mine is a local DJ for a station that was sponsoring the Journey show in St. Louis a few summers ago. He told me that he was backstage and asked NS if he ever thought Perry would return. Schon told him in no uncertain terms that he hated Perry. He literally said "he told me that he hates his guts for what he did to the band" And he felt the feeling was genuine. My point is that if he really felt that way, I'm pretty sure it's gotten back to Perry at some point. Who knows.

I'd be hard pressed to believe Schon, as tactless and cold-blooded as he can be, would make a statement that candid and that specific to some DJ who managed to get himself backstage and close enough to Neal to get his attention long enough to ask a question he's heard more times than any other question in his life. I mean, why would Neal change the canned answer he's been giving for eons to something that blunt to some guy he doesn't know from Adam?
Nah.... there's no way he put himself out there like that - especially to someone who has the ability to reach thousands and thousands of listeners.

[slucero]

Take it for what it's worth, but a buddy of mine is a local DJ for a station that was sponsoring the Journey show in St. Louis a few summers ago. He told me that he was backstage and asked NS if he ever thought Perry would return. Schon told him in no uncertain terms that he hated Perry. He literally said "he told me that he hates his guts for what he did to the band" And he felt the feeling was genuine. My point is that if he really felt that way, I'm pretty sure it's gotten back to Perry at some point. Who knows.

I'd be hard pressed to believe Schon, as tactless and cold-blooded as he can be, would make a statement that candid and that specific to some DJ who managed to get himself backstage and close enough to Neal to get his attention long enough to ask a question he's heard more times than any other question in his life. I mean, why would Neal change the canned answer he's been giving for eons to something that blunt to some guy he doesn't know from Adam?
Nah.... there's no way he put himself out there like that - especially to someone who has the ability to reach thousands and thousands of listeners.

Well he did say "fuck him"... in print...

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2008/05/f ... perry.html

So you’re not enjoined from discussing him in public?

No. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory to him. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. But the facts are the facts, y'know? He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything. And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, we’re sayin’ bad things. Or he thinks we’re hangin’ on to his coattails. And it’s just not like that. It’s never been like that. He barely ever talks to the public, and he doesn’t want us talking about him, and he doesn’t want to talk about us, but when people ask me for stories about the band’s history, and things that went down, I’m gonna talk about it. I mean—we’re completely done. I told you about the VH1 thing, which is true, about crackin’ the stone—I’ve been wanting to set that straight for a while. It’s the truth. So fuck him.

Funny thing is, I've never read, anywhere where Perry has ever alluded to the existing band "bringing up his name or hanging on to his coattails"...

Yet here it is... 4 fucking years after the above interview... and all Schon has been doing is just that... talk about Perry... bitch, moan and whine... about Perry... whilst using Perry's name to help further the band he so fervently calls HIS... talk about hanging onto coattails....

But he won't stop because without invoking the name of "Steve Perry" occasionally the media won't touch him.

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

Neal on the other hand.. has not.

[JRNYMAN]

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

He has definitely made himself look like the bigger man in interviews/speaking publicly - No question about it. He speaks of the Journey years that included him reverently and respectfully as if that moment in time were sacred and he portrays the relationship he had with Neal as something so very special and unique.
It's what isn't or can't be discussed that makes Perry a snake in the grass. Just like Herbie stated in the Castles Burning interview, (paraphrasing...) "Perry would sell his own mother if he....." Behind the scenes he was a control freak who did and said whatever it took to gain complete control and to ensure no one would ever know just what kind of ruthless, sleazy prick he really was and to protect the image the entire world had of him, he got injunctions and gag orders that were so iron clad that not even Herbie - who had/has waaaaaaaaaay more money to spend on attorneys than Perry ever could - could find a way to quash them. But, that wasn't enough for the spoiled little mama's boy. He orchestrated a deal that paid him an equal share of anything the band made while on tour for a full decade whether he got out of bed or not.
So yeah.... Neal basically got swindled, legally bullied, threatened with HUGE fines and even criminal action if he dared talk about the raping he took from Perry. And then, as icing on the proverbial cake, he added one last twist of the knife in Neal's back.... he made it impossible for Neal to have any direct communication with him without the threat of legal action.
Kinda sounds a lot like a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation when you look at the big picture. Perry made sure the control he manipulated away from Neal didn't fizzle when he decided he was done with Journey. He wanted to make sure that cash cow would keep on producing a paycheck for as long as possible. Like Herbie said, Perry was never in it for anything other than the money. Period. No matter what it took. No matter who got screwed. No matter who got hurt.
Mission accomplished douche bag!

[steveo777]

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

He has definitely made himself look like the bigger man in interviews/speaking publicly - No question about it. He speaks of the Journey years that included him reverently and respectfully as if that moment in time were sacred and he portrays the relationship he had with Neal as something so very special and unique.
It's what isn't or can't be discussed that makes Perry a snake in the grass. Just like Herbie stated in the Castles Burning interview, (paraphrasing...) "Perry would sell his own mother if he....." Behind the scenes he was a control freak who did and said whatever it took to gain complete control and to ensure no one would ever know just what kind of ruthless, sleazy prick he really was and to protect the image the entire world had of him, he got injunctions and gag orders that were so iron clad that not even Herbie - who had/has waaaaaaaaaay more money to spend on attorneys than Perry ever could - could find a way to quash them. But, that wasn't enough for the spoiled little mama's boy. He orchestrated a deal that paid him an equal share of anything the band made while on tour for a full decade whether he got out of bed or not.
So yeah.... Neal basically got swindled, legally bullied, threatened with HUGE fines and even criminal action if he dared talk about the raping he took from Perry. And then, as icing on the proverbial cake, he added one last twist of the knife in Neal's back.... he made it impossible for Neal to have any direct communication with him without the threat of legal action.
Kinda sounds a lot like a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation when you look at the big picture. Perry made sure the control he manipulated away from Neal didn't fizzle when he decided he was done with Journey. He wanted to make sure that cash cow would keep on producing a paycheck for as long as possible. Like Herbie said, Perry was never in it for anything other than the money. Period. No matter what it took. No matter who got screwed. No matter who got hurt.
Mission accomplished douche bag!

Wow! That's some heavy shit and I haven't heard it quite like that before. If this is half true, I will only care about Perry from a vocal perspective. If it's of any consolation, I only care about Neal from a guitar perspective. Sometimes the less we know about the personal lives of artists we like, the better off we would be.

[JRNYMAN]

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

He has definitely made himself look like the bigger man in interviews/speaking publicly - No question about it. He speaks of the Journey years that included him reverently and respectfully as if that moment in time were sacred and he portrays the relationship he had with Neal as something so very special and unique.
It's what isn't or can't be discussed that makes Perry a snake in the grass. Just like Herbie stated in the Castles Burning interview, (paraphrasing...) "Perry would sell his own mother if he....." Behind the scenes he was a control freak who did and said whatever it took to gain complete control and to ensure no one would ever know just what kind of ruthless, sleazy prick he really was and to protect the image the entire world had of him, he got injunctions and gag orders that were so iron clad that not even Herbie - who had/has waaaaaaaaaay more money to spend on attorneys than Perry ever could - could find a way to quash them. But, that wasn't enough for the spoiled little mama's boy. He orchestrated a deal that paid him an equal share of anything the band made while on tour for a full decade whether he got out of bed or not.
So yeah.... Neal basically got swindled, legally bullied, threatened with HUGE fines and even criminal action if he dared talk about the raping he took from Perry. And then, as icing on the proverbial cake, he added one last twist of the knife in Neal's back.... he made it impossible for Neal to have any direct communication with him without the threat of legal action.
Kinda sounds a lot like a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation when you look at the big picture. Perry made sure the control he manipulated away from Neal didn't fizzle when he decided he was done with Journey. He wanted to make sure that cash cow would keep on producing a paycheck for as long as possible. Like Herbie said, Perry was never in it for anything other than the money. Period. No matter what it took. No matter who got screwed. No matter who got hurt.
Mission accomplished douche bag!

Wow! That's some heavy shit and I haven't heard it quite like that before. If this is half true, I will only care about Perry from a vocal perspective. If it's of any consolation, I only care about Neal from a guitar perspective. Sometimes the less we know about the personal lives of artists we like, the better off we would be.

It's all true my brother - every word of it. I can't tell you how disappointed I was the day I learned the bulk of it. I spent an exhaustive amount of time trying to disprove what I was certain were lies but, the more I searched, the more I learned about just how fucked up the arrangement was between Perry and Journey - more specifically, Neal. It broke my heart to be honest with you because not only did I learn all these dark and hateful things, I also realized that due to the depth of the crater that had been dug, any hopes of a reunion were delusional on my part - or anyone's part for that matter.

[slucero]

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

He has definitely made himself look like the bigger man in interviews/speaking publicly - No question about it. He speaks of the Journey years that included him reverently and respectfully as if that moment in time were sacred and he portrays the relationship he had with Neal as something so very special and unique.
It's what isn't or can't be discussed that makes Perry a snake in the grass. Just like Herbie stated in the Castles Burning interview, (paraphrasing...) "Perry would sell his own mother if he....." Behind the scenes he was a control freak who did and said whatever it took to gain complete control and to ensure no one would ever know just what kind of ruthless, sleazy prick he really was and to protect the image the entire world had of him, he got injunctions and gag orders that were so iron clad that not even Herbie - who had/has waaaaaaaaaay more money to spend on attorneys than Perry ever could - could find a way to quash them. But, that wasn't enough for the spoiled little mama's boy. He orchestrated a deal that paid him an equal share of anything the band made while on tour for a full decade whether he got out of bed or not.
So yeah.... Neal basically got swindled, legally bullied, threatened with HUGE fines and even criminal action if he dared talk about the raping he took from Perry. And then, as icing on the proverbial cake, he added one last twist of the knife in Neal's back.... he made it impossible for Neal to have any direct communication with him without the threat of legal action.
Kinda sounds a lot like a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation when you look at the big picture. Perry made sure the control he manipulated away from Neal didn't fizzle when he decided he was done with Journey. He wanted to make sure that cash cow would keep on producing a paycheck for as long as possible. Like Herbie said, Perry was never in it for anything other than the money. Period. No matter what it took. No matter who got screwed. No matter who got hurt.
Mission accomplished douche bag!

Wow! That's some heavy shit and I haven't heard it quite like that before. If this is half true, I will only care about Perry from a vocal perspective. If it's of any consolation, I only care about Neal from a guitar perspective. Sometimes the less we know about the personal lives of artists we like, the better off we would be.

It's all true my brother - every word of it. I can't tell you how disappointed I was the day I learned the bulk of it. I spent an exhaustive amount of time trying to disprove what I was certain were lies but, the more I searched, the more I learned about just how fucked up the arrangement was between Perry and Journey - more specifically, Neal. It broke my heart to be honest with you because not only did I learn all these dark and hateful things, I also realized that due to the depth of the crater that had been dug, any hopes of a reunion were delusional on my part - or anyone's part for that matter.

Without sourcing your comments (which I assume is Neal), you know what you are stating is pure speculation, and because you cannot have Perry's side of the story, there's no way you can have an objective perspective on it.. While I don't doubt there is some truth in your comment, you also have to remember that Herbie was with Neal a LONG time, and considered him a son... and had no such history with Perry.. that will slant Herbie's opinion...

I'm betting the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Besides, it still doesn't disprove my point.. that currently it is Neal who is the one bringing up Perry publicly... not the other way around (Perry bringing up Neal)

I know you used to play, not sure how many bands you've been in... but I've been in enough bands to know that being in a band is like marrying 4 or 5 people all at the same time... its a Pandora's box from Hell personality-wise... NO ONE sees eye-to-eye...

[Gideon]

I know you used to play, not sure how many bands you've been in... but I've been in enough bands to know that being in a band is like marrying 4 or 5 people all at the same time... its a Pandora's box from Hell personality-wise... NO ONE sees eye-to-eye...

Yeah but the sex must be great.

[annpea]

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

He has definitely made himself look like the bigger man in interviews/speaking publicly - No question about it. He speaks of the Journey years that included him reverently and respectfully as if that moment in time were sacred and he portrays the relationship he had with Neal as something so very special and unique.
It's what isn't or can't be discussed that makes Perry a snake in the grass. Just like Herbie stated in the Castles Burning interview, (paraphrasing...) "Perry would sell his own mother if he....." Behind the scenes he was a control freak who did and said whatever it took to gain complete control and to ensure no one would ever know just what kind of ruthless, sleazy prick he really was and to protect the image the entire world had of him, he got injunctions and gag orders that were so iron clad that not even Herbie - who had/has waaaaaaaaaay more money to spend on attorneys than Perry ever could - could find a way to quash them. But, that wasn't enough for the spoiled little mama's boy. He orchestrated a deal that paid him an equal share of anything the band made while on tour for a full decade whether he got out of bed or not.
So yeah.... Neal basically got swindled, legally bullied, threatened with HUGE fines and even criminal action if he dared talk about the raping he took from Perry. And then, as icing on the proverbial cake, he added one last twist of the knife in Neal's back.... he made it impossible for Neal to have any direct communication with him without the threat of legal action.
Kinda sounds a lot like a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation when you look at the big picture. Perry made sure the control he manipulated away from Neal didn't fizzle when he decided he was done with Journey. He wanted to make sure that cash cow would keep on producing a paycheck for as long as possible. Like Herbie said, Perry was never in it for anything other than the money. Period. No matter what it took. No matter who got screwed. No matter who got hurt.
Mission accomplished douche bag!

Maybe, that's why he's no longer a major part of a world where one would have to result to things like that in order to get ahead. Maybe a little peace of mind is all that matters to him now. Maybe that peace involves not interacting with or talking to Neal and if that is so then let it be.

[annie89509]

Seems there is a lot of hearsay/speculation thrown in here as facts. None of us were involved with the band and certainly have no first-hand knowledge to any dealings within the Journey organization. These guys are human beings, after all, with real human flaws.
People shouldn’t be so quick jumping to conclusion about someone/something they don’t know personally.

You know, all we hear is how SP screwed Journey over financially and it’s all about money with him. Yet, by all accounts, with him being an only child, inherited all his family’s sizeable properties and farm business…blab blab…money is the least of his needs. Go figure.

[annpea]

Seems there is a lot of hearsay/speculation thrown in here as facts. None of us were involved with the band and certainly have no first-hand knowledge to any dealings within the Journey organization. These guys are human beings, after all, with real human flaws.
People shouldn’t be so quick jumping to conclusion about someone/something they don’t know personally.

You know, all we hear is how SP screwed Journey over financially and it’s all about money with him. Yet, by all accounts, with him being an only child, inherited all his family’s sizeable properties and farm business…blab blab…money is the least of his needs. Go figure.

The music world is full of corruption and we all know this is true but to slam Perry for being able to survive in it as long as he was able to is just not cool, I'm sure he wasn't the only one in the world of Journey that was breaking rules I certainly don't see Neal,Jon,Ross or any of the others as angels; that would be foolish of me to delude myself with that kind of thinking,however; what does bothers me the most is Neal just keeps stirring the pot like he was the innocent victim in all that was going on. He's doing good making money and doing his thing without Perry so let Perry rest,because; to tell you the truth I think they all were assholes at one time or another some were just caught in the spotlight more often than the others. so what i'm trying to say in a long way around is I agree with you they ALL are just humans with normal human behavior.JMHO

[SF-Dano]

Neal needs to make up his mind about who's mad at who... because in all the years, of all the interviews Perry has done..Perry has been nothing but gracious about the Neal.

He has definitely made himself look like the bigger man in interviews/speaking publicly - No question about it. He speaks of the Journey years that included him reverently and respectfully as if that moment in time were sacred and he portrays the relationship he had with Neal as something so very special and unique. (TRUE)
It's what isn't or can't be discussed that makes Perry a snake in the grass. Just like Herbie stated in the Castles Burning interview, (paraphrasing...) "Perry would sell his own mother if he....." Behind the scenes he was a control freak who did and said whatever it took to gain complete control(FACT) and to ensure no one would ever know just what kind of ruthless, sleazy prick he really was and to protect the image the entire world had of him, he got injunctions and gag orders that were so iron clad (FACT)that not even Herbie - who had/has waaaaaaaaaay more money to spend on attorneys than Perry ever could - could find a way to quash them. But, that wasn't enough for the spoiled little mama's boy. He orchestrated a deal that paid him an equal share of anything the band made while on tour for a full decade (FACT)whether he got out of bed or not.
So yeah.... Neal basically got swindled, legally bullied, threatened with HUGE fines and even criminal action (FACT)if he dared talk about the raping he took from Perry. And then, as icing on the proverbial cake, he added one last twist of the knife in Neal's back.... he made it impossible for Neal to have any direct communication with him (FACT)without the threat of legal action.
Kinda sounds a lot like a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation when you look at the big picture. Perry made sure the control he manipulated away from Neal didn't fizzle when he decided he was done with Journey. He wanted to make sure that cash cow would keep on producing a paycheck for as long as possible. Like Herbie said, Perry was never in it for anything other than the money. Period. No matter what it took. No matter who got screwed. No matter who got hurt.
Mission accomplished douche bag!

Alot of truth in there colored with a bit of intelligent inference. Not saying that Schon was an angel to Perry, but I believe that Perry took it to another level. No saints here to be sure though.

[The Sushi Hunter]

It could be one of many things that happened between the two. I would say the only thing that could piss me off as equally as much where I never talked with a former bandmate ever again would be lets say I was on tour someplace and a very hot irresistable chick wanted to hook up with me one night after the show. Like a fool I sleep with her and then my "friend" finds out about it and secretely tells my girlfriend back home and she leaves me forever and never gives me another chance ever. Now that would be something I would never talk to the guy again over.

So with Perry and Neal, it's got to be something very serious and personal. 1) Serious - to keep them not talking for this many years, and 2) Personal - since no one seems to know exactly what it is that happened.

[Deb]

It could be one of many things that happened between the two. I would say the only thing that could piss me off as equally as much where I never talked with a former bandmate ever again would be lets say I was on tour someplace and a very hot irresistable chick wanted to hook up with me one night after the show. Like a fool I sleep with her and then my "friend" finds out about it and secretely tells my girlfriend back home and she leaves me forever and never gives me another chance ever. Now that would be something I would never talk to the guy again over.

So with Perry and Neal, it's got to be something very serious and personal. 1) Serious - to keep them not talking for this many years, and 2) Personal - since no one seems to know exactly what it is that happened.

I doubt it. I think there is still much love there especially for the past and their respective talents. I think Perry is just done with Journey and especially the touring. Like Perry referred, he just wanted off the merry go round. It's his life to live and by all intense and purposes it looks like he's enjoying life personally and creatively on the other side of the mic/camera.
If Neal or some of the fans don't like it, seems to me they are the ones with the issue?

Didn't see any love lost at the Walk Of Fame......



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