2 Nights before 1983 Budokan Taping..

[tater1977]

Faithfully JOURNEY 3-1-1983 Tokyo

http://youtu.be/806Kwiqes7Y


Working on a new arrangement for the taping?

[FamilyMan]

Teleprompter guy must have had the night off.

[STORY_TELLER]

That spontaneous melody twist at 1:44 gave me the Perry chills. So cool.

[Gideon]

Very good. Simple, elegant, and barring a few hiccups, all histrionics tossed out the window for a clearer interpretation. Too bad Perry didn't sing like this post-1980 when the camera was on.

[tater1977]

That spontaneous melody twist at 1:44 gave me the Perry chills. So cool.

Yea I kinda like the change up he does @ 1:44 too....

[Just Saying]

Teleprompter guy must have had the night off.

[Just Saying]

Faithfully JOURNEY 3-1-1983 Tokyo

http://youtu.be/806Kwiqes7Y


Working on a new arrangement for the taping?

Faithfully had also been written and performed in the studio with 2-versions, this is the way it originally was suppose to sound, then after many hours of Cain, Perry and Schon hashing it out......The one on the radio became original.

You can ask Lora and Cyndy to chime in at anytime, they spent alot of time around the band during this time frame.

[steve7711]

Actually....one night before the Budokan taping, not two.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I know you guys are going to hate me for saying this and even simply suggesting it but......with the ad lib type of notes and all, if you've heard AP singing this song over twenty years ago like I was did in person, you'd swear this audio was from of him from then, with the only exception of the talking in the very beginning that does sound like SP talking. Everything else is AP. And that 1.44 mark key shift is exact. If this audio is a no bs SP, no wonder why Neal freaked when he heard AP on youtube singing this tune.

And this is coming from someone who's heard AP in person back then and can tell right off the bat AP singing these songs. Really listen to this clip closely. I'd bet my paycheck it was AP doing the vocals. There is a few bass notes that are played near the end that sounds more like Prince's "Let's Go Crazy" which back then was another song played by AMO Band.

[slucero]

AP = Ain't Perry

[The Sushi Hunter]

AP = Ain't Perry

Yeah but take a closer listen to any other venues you've ever heard SP sing this same song, both live and recorded. He's never sounded like this except for in this very audio clip on youtube, which by coincidence was uploaded in '12. Is there any other youtube vids of this exact recording that were uploaded pre-AP era Journey? If so, I'll say I'm completely incorrect without any reservation.

AP has more treble in his voice while SP has more bass than AP. In this audio it is obvious the singer has a lot more treble than bass and has no power in the lower notes. SP was not like that. I'm no SP analyist but I do know AP when I hear him, especially audio of him from 20 plus years ago singing this song. And listen to how the instruments are played? Does that sound like actual Journey playing those instruments?

[slucero]

AP = Ain't Perry

Yeah but take a closer listen to any other venues you've ever heard SP sing this same song, both live and recorded. He's never sounded like this except for in this very audio clip on youtube, which by coincidence was uploaded in '09. Is there any other youtube vids of this exact recording that were uploaded pre-AP era Journey? If so, I'll say I'm completely incorrect without any reservation.

AP has more treble in his voice while SP has more bass than AP. In this audio it is obvious the singer has a lot more treble than bass and has no power in the lower notes. SP was not like that. I'm no SP analyist but I do know AP when I hear him, especially audio of him from 20 plus years ago singing this song.

This audio is from the 1st of the following shows..

Mar. 1, 1983 Budakon Hall. Tokyo Japan
Mar. 2, 1983 Budakon Hall. Tokyo Japan
Mar. 4, 1983 Yukohama gymnasium. Yokohama, Japan

Its a horrible recording that is pretty impossible to use to make any kind of judgement.. because there's no way to know just how much of the frequency spectrum is peing represented.. so its not really accurately representative of what you think you are hearing.... The first portion of this audio is missing higher frequencies... listen to the piano accompaniment.. its all lows and mids.. no high end.. this is why you "hear " the piano and Perry as bassy.

The second portion of the audio is more complete frequency-wise (lows-mids-highs) but it is distorting... and more importantly its obvious that this is a recording of the ambient audio.. likely from the side of the stage, or a location where higher frequencies are not reaching completely..


Perry's voice was naturally "thin" in his younger years.. We all used to call him "whiney" voiced.. This is why in 1978, they used Roy Thomas Baker to produce them for Infinity... Roy Thomas Baker is the guy who created Queens stacked vocal sound, which Perry used to make his voice "thicker" on Infinity, and throughout his career. With wear, age, and likely some injury, his vocal timbre became more full and bassy.. One need only listen to Infinity then ROR to hear that.

Even AP's voice has likely changed tone-wise from his younger years... male voices typically do get rounder & huskier as they age.


Compare that horrible 1st clip to Perry singing the next day.. in the same venue..

Mar. 2, 1983 Budakon Hall. Tokyo Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_XCpC6HdE


I'm not really sure what you were trying to compare with the 1st audio clip.. but at least this 2nd audio clip is more complete and not distorted. As far as SP... this is horrible performance wise, but better than the 1st one.. .. but in he sounds and looks tired.

If you're telling me this is how AP sounded 20 years ago.. then that's not a compliment..

[The Sushi Hunter]

Well what do I know? I could be totally wrong about this entire thing. Maybe it is SP. But it really sounds like AP more to me. For comparison, here is a audio of AP doing a Journey tune in a session environment and not in a live setting. Listen to this audio clip closely and compare it to the first youtube audio clip posted. Can you notice the distinct similarities between the two audio clips? While I've heard AP sound exactly like SP throughout the years, I've never heard SP sound like AP, like I do in the first clip posted on this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVRPM4SzCFM

One thing to also consider, I'm listening to this in the office so I can't really jack up the volume too much to really hear it in greater details. But if the first audio clip is SP, he sounds a lot like how AP sounded at shows doing this same tune.

[slucero]

That clip sounds great.... and I hear a much more "open" tone in Arnel at this age. His higher end sounds much more effortless and less "forced", which is what I'd expect from a 21 year old Arnel.

The OP's clip is a 34 year old, very tired and sick sounding Perry.... I'm guessing, but it sounds like he's feeling the change in climate as this is the start of the Frontiers Tour...


Frontiers - Released February 1983

Feb. 22, 1983 Aichi prefectural gymnasium. Nagoya, Japan
Feb. 24, 1983 Osaka prefectural gymnasium. Osaka, Japan
Feb. 25, 1983 Osaka prefectural gymnasium. Osaka, Japan
Feb. 26, 1983 Kyuden memorial gymnasium. Fukuoka, Japan
Feb. 28, 1983 Kyoto Prefectural gymnasium. Kyoto, Japan
Mar. 1, 1983 Budakon Hall. Tokyo Japan
Mar. 2, 1983 Budakon Hall. Tokyo Japan

[The Sushi Hunter]

Glad you like it. Seriously though, that was in 1988 and at that time Arnel was still getting better. I've got audio/video footage of him doing these songs both in 86'/87' up until throughout the entire year of '90 in Cal-Jams and he was continuously getting better and better at them and many others as well when comparing these years to each other. The footage clearly shows his progress throughout those years.

[slucero]

Glad you like it. Seriously though, that was in 1988 and at that time Arnel was still getting better. I've got audio/video footage of him doing these songs both in 86'/87' up until throughout the entire year of '90 in Cal-Jams and he was continuously getting better and better at them and many others as well when comparing these years to each other. The footage clearly shows his progress throughout those years.

I've always appreciated AP's voice.. because like Perry, his physical gifts of power and range are without question. What I think is unfair is to compare AP to Perry because he (AP) does not have the same degree of mastery over skills Perry had mastered by the time he'd joined Journey. Vibrato control, melody and expressiveness. And that's not a knock on AP... because Perry is the bar AP's being measured against, and Perry also happens to be the one considered the best ever at it. Those are big shoes to even look at, much less wear.

[annie89509]

Don’t really get where Sushi’s coming from. Okay, to the casual ears, may not hear much difference…to the hardcore fans?…certainly, we know that’s SP singing in the yt audio…however bad it may be.

AP’s tone is close to the Frontiers’ voiced SP, I’d agree; but, like Slucy noted: AP is no SP. And it’s not about comparing range or power or who is now the better singer. It is SP having the distinctive style and voice that is one of a kind (to the hardcore ears).

[STORY_TELLER]

Don’t really get where Sushi’s coming from. Okay, to the casual ears, may not hear much difference…to the hardcore fans?…certainly, we know that’s SP singing in the yt audio…however bad it may be.

AP’s tone is close to the Frontiers’ voiced SP, I’d agree; but, like Slucy noted: AP is no SP. And it’s not about comparing range or power or who is now the better singer. It is SP having the distinctive style and voice that is one of a kind (to the hardcore ears).

+1

I don't know how anyone mistakes AP for SP. SP has a unique, standout, vocal character and it's heard clear as a bell on the clip in question.

[Gideon]

It is SP having the distinctive style and voice that is one of a kind (to the hardcore ears).

This isn't really insightful. Anyone who's familiar with any singer to "hardcore" levels would be able to distinguish that person from imitators.

[slucero]

To be fair to Arnel.. I think he has his own "voice" too.. The problem is that the material he's singing isn't "his"... it's largely somebody else's, and until material that he's the original singer of garners enough attention that it is considered legendary in its own right... then the legend he's living up to won't be his own.

Imagine if Arnel had replaced Sting, or Anne Wilson, two singers we've all heard him do justice to... he'd still be just a great singer, living in their shadow, until he delivered what they'd already delivered.

Original hits.

Simple put, if Journey cannot create hits with Arnel, then Arnel will always be in Perry's shadow.... and that has nothing to do with Arnel's singing prowess...

[kgdjpubs]

It is SP having the distinctive style and voice that is one of a kind (to the hardcore ears).

This isn't really insightful. Anyone who's familiar with any singer to "hardcore" levels would be able to distinguish that person from imitators.

actually, I'm not so sure about that. There have been several debates on this board as to who was singing what. I can think of one fairly recent one with a Cain demo that garnered all sorts of suggestions. Being a hardcore fan has nothing to do with being able to pick a voice out of a crowd--especially if you have several voices that are similar. It has more to do with being able to pick out a tone when you hear it on unfamiliar material. The vocal tone is the one thing that can't be copied.

[Gideon]

It is SP having the distinctive style and voice that is one of a kind (to the hardcore ears).

This isn't really insightful. Anyone who's familiar with any singer to "hardcore" levels would be able to distinguish that person from imitators.

actually, I'm not so sure about that. There have been several debates on this board as to who was singing what. I can think of one fairly recent one with a Cain demo that garnered all sorts of suggestions. Being a hardcore fan has nothing to do with being able to pick a voice out of a crowd--especially if you have several voices that are similar. It has more to do with being able to pick out a tone when you hear it on unfamiliar material. The vocal tone is the one thing that can't be copied.

Being a "hardcore" fan would indicate extreme familiarity with the person/s in question, which makes our points intersect.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I finally got a chance to really crank up the volume to hear this better and yeah, I can tell now that it is SP. But in this video it's the first time I've heard SP sounding a little like AP (minus the slight lyrics errors) did when he used to sing it years ago live in the Phil. I'm sure that this distinctive vocal resemblance is what Neal heard watching AP youtube clips and explains why they were so interested to get AP. A diamond in raw form.