Arnel is sick?

[JRNYMAN]

Holy Fucking Shit! I go away for a week and when I get back there's a troll on the loose getting everyone stirred up and leaving troll droppings all over the place. I thought it was pretty much a rule that we DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!! - especially when they've got as big a mouth as this one does.

[Monker]

The bond between Neal and Arnel is pretty tight...

Yea, and Steve Augeri is their loyal "brother." You need a wake up call. End of the day - Journey is a buisness.

And, if Arnel loses his voice before Neal is ready to quit - they will find a way to continue.

[Monker]

Hopefully for his sake, I hope Arnel recovers and the tour continues (not that I would go see them). He's their cash cow right now...

I wish Arnel the best...If some of you long time fans remember back in the day....Steve Perry got sick on the Raised on Radio tour but somehow played night after night.....Atlanta, Ga was where he actually went to the hospital for being ill....The tour was cut short in Alaska due to a sinus infection which lead to the ending of a great era in ROCK......Neal made Steve feel so bad about it, that Journey never really reformed again outside of the studio.

And can you imagine the size of his sinuses?

That's too bad though. They were absolutely on top of the world.

If you call firing Ross and Smitty on top of the world, then I guess........ The rods were knocking and there was saw dust in the crank case....the Journey engine was about to blow and it did. What Perry did to Journey for ROR is a Rock n Roll travesty. (" it seemed like a good idea at the time").

Gosh oh mighty...You watch way too much TV..................The split on Raised on Radio was something the whole band agreed upon...If you have any computer skills, read Jonathan Cains interview from 1987....Steve Perry really didn't want to tour behind Raised on Radio....The family problems where so bad at that time( his mother passing and a DUI his daughter was charged with being under age of drinking).........It was very clear in 1986-1987 that Steve Perry was done with Journey for awhile..........Steve Perry tried to release a solo album in 1987 and again in 1989 called Against the Wall......But Herbie Herbert made that impossible because he wanted Journey back together so he could by another house overseas....thats why he dedicated the song " WHY CAN"T THIS NIGHT GO ON FOREVER" to his loyal fans on that tour in 1986 ...Do something your whole life and try to imagine it over, but nobody knows but you....Depression sets in along with life changing health issues.....until you have walked the walk......shut the fuck up !!!



Gosh

Just to be fair, according to Herbie, Steve wanted to quit after the Escape tour. I'm not sure anything Neal said made that happen, although it might have made it easier. It was also mentioned that it was absolutely Perry's insistence that Valory and Smith be replaced for ROR.

Ross Valory was replaced in 1985-1986 because he had ongoing court dates and could not be on tour....He wanted to fly around and be a part time bassist....NOT ACCEPTABLE ON TOUR....So, Randy Jackson was asked to fill in on studio time and Neal asked him to tour...Richard marx also was considered for Jonathan cains part because of foolish turmoil at that time.

Steve Smith was replaced because his family life was more important than the family life with the band... He wanted to take a full crew on the road....In music it's very hard to make the stars happy, but when you add a family of 4 and tour.......It's just nuts !!!.....If you need to be at home......THEN STAY HOME.....Does not make you weak.....It makes you a family man.....I get it.......It all worked out in the end......Steve Smith didn't act too happy on the directors cut of "Behind the Music"......But later on went to say it was a good call on Perrys part to see he cared enough to make me take care of business at home......To this day Steve has been booking dates with his jazz band and could not be happier...( he is hoping for a Journey re-union if the band gets inducted in the Hall of Fame----I'm excited too if that happens)...

This is definitely a version of history I've not heard. Tell us more.

and, Steve Perry got a perm during the ROR days because he was going to quit Journey and do a solo tour with Dennis DeYoung "brought to you by Finesse". But, that fell through because they were constantly fighting over which robot face was better designed, Elmo, or Roboto. Did you know that Jonathan played the keytar on the ROR tour because he was going to be replaced on tour by Jan Hammer? Neal loved Jan's playing so much on the Schon & Hammer albums that he was going to use him to replace Jonathan on tour. Luckily, Jonathan was able to pick up the keytar pretty quick (he's such a fantastic musician) and Jan went on to work with Glen Burtnik and such.

Geez, making shit up like that is kinda easy.

[Infinity Vocalist 2010]

The bond between Neal and Arnel is pretty tight...

Yea, and Steve Augeri is their loyal "brother." You need a wake up call. End of the day - Journey is a buisness.

And, if Arnel loses his voice before Neal is ready to quit - they will find a way to continue.

I know a few people who'd probably be in the running.

[steveo777]

Dear Vultures......it's not dead yet. Arnel is getting ready to head back to the USA for the 3rd leg of the tour. He's fine!

[BARON BLOOD]

saw them live in Montreal yesterday and even if ARNEL used to reach higher notes he's still better than 99.9% of all of us so hail Arnel !

It looks so hard to sing at that level that i suffer with him when i watch him sing !......to know that every night he's gotta reach those notes or his job is at risk makes me feel bad for him when he cant reach them !

He gives everything.....he gets all my respect !!

SCHON could always relax a little instead of oversoloing for no reason but hey !.....it's always been this way right ?

BENATAR and LOVERBOY were great !........

[The Sushi Hunter]

saw them live in Montreal yesterday and even if ARNEL used to reach higher notes he's still better than 99.9% of all of us so hail Arnel !

It looks so hard to sing at that level that i suffer with him when i watch him sing !......to know that every night he's gotta reach those notes or his job is at risk makes me feel bad for him when he cant reach them !

He gives everything.....he gets all my respect !!

SCHON could always relax a little instead of oversoloing for no reason but hey !.....it's always been this way right ?

BENATAR and LOVERBOY were great !........

Oversoloing perhaps to give Arnel a little breather possibly.

[BARON BLOOD]

yeah you have a point there !

JON sang a song too and Castronovo sang KEEP ON RUNNIN' (what an amazing voice !!!) + the solo's and all the shit.....i think they help him like they can.

[Trace123321]

After reading some recent concert reviews, I am wondering how long Arnel has left in Journey. I have nothing against him at all, and think that he is talented, however, it seems like he has blown his voice out to some extent.

Anyone else get the feeling that the changes are coming?

[slucero]

Journey is change....

Perry was 46 when performed his last show in Puerto Rico on the FLTOSM tour

Augeri was 47 when he had to quit.

Arnel is 45 years old...

[Infinity Vocalist 2010]

For the next time, they should consider someone a bit younger. That way they'll have someone for however long they continue (i.e. however long Schon needs to) and beyond, perhaps.

[Ehwmatt]

After reading some recent concert reviews, I am wondering how long Arnel has left in Journey. I have nothing against him at all, and think that he is talented, however, it seems like he has blown his voice out to some extent.

Anyone else get the feeling that the changes are coming?

Which reviews are these?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Next 5 shows postponed.

[MCC620]

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/gran ... da_fa.html

GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda has contracted severe laryngeal and esophageal inflammation, forcing the cancellation of several of the band's tour dates, including its Sat., Nov. 10, 2012 stop at Van Andel Arena.

The show will be rescheduled for Jan. or Feb. of 2013, according to a press release. No specific date has been determined yet.

Tickets for the Nov. 10 concert will be honored for the new date. Refunds are also available at point of purchase.

Pineda is under doctor's orders not to sing for the next week, so the band pulled the plug on five shows taking place between Nov. 8 and Nov. 14, 2012. Pat Benatar and Loverboy were the opening acts.

As a consolation to Journey ticketholders, SMG Grand Rapids, which manages Van Andel Arena events, is offering buy-one-get-one-free tickets to the Wine, Beer and Food Festival taking place Nov. 8-10, 2012 at DeVos Place. Bring your Journey ticket to the DeVos Place box office to redeem the deal.

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/11/journey_singer_arnel_pineda_fa.html

GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda has contracted severe laryngeal and esophageal inflammation, forcing the cancellation of several of the band's tour dates, including its Sat., Nov. 10, 2012 stop at Van Andel Arena.

The show will be rescheduled for Jan. or Feb. of 2013, according to a press release. No specific date has been determined yet.

Tickets for the Nov. 10 concert will be honored for the new date. Refunds are also available at point of purchase.

Pineda is under doctor's orders not to sing for the next week, so the band pulled the plug on five shows taking place between Nov. 8 and Nov. 14, 2012. Pat Benatar and Loverboy were the opening acts.

As a consolation to Journey ticketholders, SMG Grand Rapids, which manages Van Andel Arena events, is offering buy-one-get-one-free tickets to the Wine, Beer and Food Festival taking place Nov. 8-10, 2012 at DeVos Place. Bring your Journey ticket to the DeVos Place box office to redeem the deal.

In the same circumstances, I bet Steve Augeri would've put a smile on his face, hit the stage, and made the most of it. Wise of Arnel to protect his money-maker, but Azoff and Co. are going to be pissed! You can't tour the way these guys do, and sing this catalog nightly and expect to hold up. You just can't...

[Archetype]

I give them 2 more years, tops.

[MCC620]

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/11/journey_singer_arnel_pineda_fa.html

GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda has contracted severe laryngeal and esophageal inflammation, forcing the cancellation of several of the band's tour dates, including its Sat., Nov. 10, 2012 stop at Van Andel Arena.

The show will be rescheduled for Jan. or Feb. of 2013, according to a press release. No specific date has been determined yet.

Tickets for the Nov. 10 concert will be honored for the new date. Refunds are also available at point of purchase.

Pineda is under doctor's orders not to sing for the next week, so the band pulled the plug on five shows taking place between Nov. 8 and Nov. 14, 2012. Pat Benatar and Loverboy were the opening acts.

As a consolation to Journey ticketholders, SMG Grand Rapids, which manages Van Andel Arena events, is offering buy-one-get-one-free tickets to the Wine, Beer and Food Festival taking place Nov. 8-10, 2012 at DeVos Place. Bring your Journey ticket to the DeVos Place box office to redeem the deal.

In the same circumstances, I bet Steve Augeri would've put a smile on his face, hit the stage, and made the most of it. Wise of Arnel to protect his money-maker, but Azoff and Co. are going to be pissed! You can't tour the way these guys do, and sing this catalog nightly and expect to hold up. You just can't...

seems to me Arnel has them by the balls (or neal by the sock) when it comes to his health.

[steveo777]

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/11/journey_singer_arnel_pineda_fa.html

GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda has contracted severe laryngeal and esophageal inflammation, forcing the cancellation of several of the band's tour dates, including its Sat., Nov. 10, 2012 stop at Van Andel Arena.

The show will be rescheduled for Jan. or Feb. of 2013, according to a press release. No specific date has been determined yet.

Tickets for the Nov. 10 concert will be honored for the new date. Refunds are also available at point of purchase.

Pineda is under doctor's orders not to sing for the next week, so the band pulled the plug on five shows taking place between Nov. 8 and Nov. 14, 2012. Pat Benatar and Loverboy were the opening acts.

As a consolation to Journey ticketholders, SMG Grand Rapids, which manages Van Andel Arena events, is offering buy-one-get-one-free tickets to the Wine, Beer and Food Festival taking place Nov. 8-10, 2012 at DeVos Place. Bring your Journey ticket to the DeVos Place box office to redeem the deal.

In the same circumstances, I bet Steve Augeri would've put a smile on his face, hit the stage, and made the most of it. Wise of Arnel to protect his money-maker, but Azoff and Co. are going to be pissed! You can't tour the way these guys do, and sing this catalog nightly and expect to hold up. You just can't...

seems to me Arnel has them by the balls (or neal by the sock) when it comes to his health.

It isn't a matter of having them by the balls, it's a matter of his health and being able to get well so they can continue. You can't fault him for taking time off to heal. This could happen to anyone.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

It isn't a matter of having them by the balls, it's a matter of his health and being able to get well so they can continue. You can't fault him for taking time off to heal. This could happen to anyone.

You missed the point. Augeri had almost the exact same symptoms and ailments, but there was NO canceling or postponing. I bet you Journey has never postponed/canceled this many shows in one tour as they have in the last two weeks.

[brywool]

yeah, many said "I give this a year" when Revelation came out. Didn't pan out then, it most likely won't now.
Singers get sick. It happens. Not like a guitarist, keyboardist, or drummer than can go out and do the same thing night after night whether they're sick or not. The dude is relying on these two very tiny flaps of vocal chord (about as big as your pinky finger nail) to get him through a very tough catalog. For the most part, he's excelled at doing so, but everyone gets sick, even rock stars. He's also out there doing meet and greets and traveling across the US. I don't know where you work, but in my office MANY people are sick right now. Imagine shaking hands with 100s of typical American across the country. Try staying germ free in cold/flu season under those conditions.
Of course, if he didn't do the meet and greets, people would complain about that too.
Many singers in the past few years have cancelled tours over vocal abuse (Adele, Mayer, etc.). Celine Dione had some nuttyass virus and she had to cancel gigs too. I would imagine that Arnel got back on the road with Journey after this last illness not fully recovered. I knew when they said that he'd be back at it in November that was pushing it. It's a lot of pressure to perform. Journey's built more space between shows and I think still do some shows with the tunes dropped a half step. They're doing all they can do, but people get sick.

It isn't a matter of having them by the balls, it's a matter of his health and being able to get well so they can continue. You can't fault him for taking time off to heal. This could happen to anyone.

You missed the point. Augeri had almost the exact same symptoms and ailments, but there was NO canceling or postponing. I bet you Journey has never postponed/canceled this many shows in one tour as they have in the last two weeks.

The difference here is that Augeri was not the singer that Arnel is. Never was. Good singer, but was always pushing his voice to the limit with Journey. For Arnel, it's not that way. He's twice the singer Steve A was. Not a slam on Augeri, it's just the truth.

I don't get the hard on that some here have to see the guy/Journey fail, especially after all this time.

[MCC620]

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/11/journey_singer_arnel_pineda_fa.html

GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda has contracted severe laryngeal and esophageal inflammation, forcing the cancellation of several of the band's tour dates, including its Sat., Nov. 10, 2012 stop at Van Andel Arena.

The show will be rescheduled for Jan. or Feb. of 2013, according to a press release. No specific date has been determined yet.

Tickets for the Nov. 10 concert will be honored for the new date. Refunds are also available at point of purchase.

Pineda is under doctor's orders not to sing for the next week, so the band pulled the plug on five shows taking place between Nov. 8 and Nov. 14, 2012. Pat Benatar and Loverboy were the opening acts.

As a consolation to Journey ticketholders, SMG Grand Rapids, which manages Van Andel Arena events, is offering buy-one-get-one-free tickets to the Wine, Beer and Food Festival taking place Nov. 8-10, 2012 at DeVos Place. Bring your Journey ticket to the DeVos Place box office to redeem the deal.

In the same circumstances, I bet Steve Augeri would've put a smile on his face, hit the stage, and made the most of it. Wise of Arnel to protect his money-maker, but Azoff and Co. are going to be pissed! You can't tour the way these guys do, and sing this catalog nightly and expect to hold up. You just can't...

seems to me Arnel has them by the balls (or neal by the sock) when it comes to his health.

It isn't a matter of having them by the balls, it's a matter of his health and being able to get well so they can continue. You can't fault him for taking time off to heal. This could happen to anyone.

don't get me wrong, i am not faulting him for it, i am thrilled by it. i guess he heeded the advice that augeri gave him when they met up in jersey. to take care of himself first.

[MCC620]

It isn't a matter of having them by the balls, it's a matter of his health and being able to get well so they can continue. You can't fault him for taking time off to heal. This could happen to anyone.

You missed the point. Augeri had almost the exact same symptoms and ailments, but there was NO canceling or postponing. I bet you Journey has never postponed/canceled this many shows in one tour as they have in the last two weeks.

exactly.....

[MCC620]

yeah, many said "I give this a year" when Revelation came out. Didn't pan out then, it most likely won't now.
Singers get sick. It happens. Not like a guitarist, keyboardist, or drummer than can go out and do the same thing night after night whether they're sick or not. The dude is relying on these two very tiny flaps of vocal chord (about as big as your pinky finger nail) to get him through a very tough catalog. For the most part, he's excelled at doing so, but everyone gets sick, even rock stars. He's also out there doing meet and greets and traveling across the US. I don't know where you work, but in my office MANY people are sick right now. Imagine shaking hands with 100s of typical American across the country. Try staying germ free in cold/flu season under those conditions.
Of course, if he didn't do the meet and greets, people would complain about that too.
Many singers in the past few years have cancelled tours over vocal abuse (Adele, Mayer, etc.). Celine Dione had some nuttyass virus and she had to cancel gigs too. I would imagine that Arnel got back on the road with Journey after this last illness not fully recovered. I knew when they said that he'd be back at it in November that was pushing it. It's a lot of pressure to perform. Journey's built more space between shows and I think still do some shows with the tunes dropped a half step. They're doing all they can do, but people get sick.

It isn't a matter of having them by the balls, it's a matter of his health and being able to get well so they can continue. You can't fault him for taking time off to heal. This could happen to anyone.

You missed the point. Augeri had almost the exact same symptoms and ailments, but there was NO canceling or postponing. I bet you Journey has never postponed/canceled this many shows in one tour as they have in the last two weeks.

The difference here is that Augeri was not the singer that Arnel is. Never was. Good singer, but was always pushing his voice to the limit with Journey. For Arnel, it's not that way. He's twice the singer Steve A was. Not a slam on Augeri, it's just the truth.

I don't get the hard on that some here have to see the guy/Journey fail, especially after all this time.

it's not about seeing them fail....it's about seeing neal and jon and managment being out in their place when someones health is at stake. this is something that eluded all of them all the times augeri was sick and they carried on. sure you can blame him for not putting his put down harder, but the love of the benjamins on their part blinded them to him needing a rest.

[brywool]

it's not about seeing them fail....it's about seeing neal and jon and managment being out in their place when someones health is at stake. this is something that eluded all of them all the times augeri was sick and they carried on. sure you can blame him for not putting his put down harder, but the love of the benjamins on their part blinded them to him needing a rest.

Okay, but it's quite apparent that the band has learned from their mistakes, so why go on and on about what they did ten, twenty, thirty years ago? At this point, they're taking care of their singer. GREAT. One could also look at Tapegate as taking care of their singer too. He couldn't perform but there was a lot of pressure and contracts. Nobody knows if Augeri said "Hey, I'll mime until I get better". Could've happened. They did what they thought they had to do. Sucked, but they did. MANY singers go out with tapes of them singing that aren't, Celine Dione to name one that you wouldn't expect. It may have been a group decision as loss of voice should be a temporary thing provided there's no permanent damage. It's ancient history at this point and has zero to do with Pineda.

[tater1977]

Looks like AP has gastric reflux...That chit will tear you up inside ..if you don't get
it taken care of or learn to manage it..



Arnel Pineda‏@arnelpineda

thos time ill make sure that the healing process ill partake wont be superficial..forgiveness for whats to be done just for me to heal.

[MCC620]

it's not about seeing them fail....it's about seeing neal and jon and managment being out in their place when someones health is at stake. this is something that eluded all of them all the times augeri was sick and they carried on. sure you can blame him for not putting his put down harder, but the love of the benjamins on their part blinded them to him needing a rest.

Okay, but it's quite apparent that the band has learned from their mistakes, so why go on and on about what they did ten, twenty, thirty years ago? At this point, they're taking care of their singer. GREAT. One could also look at Tapegate as taking care of their singer too. He couldn't perform but there was a lot of pressure and contracts. Nobody knows if Augeri said "Hey, I'll mime until I get better". Could've happened. They did what they thought they had to do. Sucked, but they did. MANY singers go out with tapes of them singing that aren't, Celine Dione to name one that you wouldn't expect. It may have been a group decision as loss of voice should be a temporary thing provided there's no permanent damage. It's ancient history at this point and has zero to do with Pineda.

my opinion is not that they have leaned any lesson. moreso Arnel learned the lesson from this band's history of treating sick lead singers and thus has them by the balls.

[Ehwmatt]

Can somebody point me to reviews of shows where Arnel struggled?

[AR]

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.

[steveo777]

Can somebody point me to reviews of shows where Arnel struggled?

Matt, the reviews this year have been very positive. The band got their sound issues fixed and Arnel has sounded great. I haven't heard anything to the contrary and I've followed pretty close this year, mostly to determine if they or their sound engineer were the problem last year. It turns out they've got new sound guys on board this year and sound a hell of a lot better.

I state this again, Arnel is fine......just sick.

The stuggle doesn't happen. Pulling AP off line is preemtive medicine at the first hint of a heath problem, IMO.

[pinkfloyd1973]

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.

Just creepy......