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Postby portland » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:40 am

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portland wrote:Me too...now go sit in the corner you are in time out (that's what I did when I owned a daycare and the two year old kids ranted like Giddy) :wink: :lol:


Blah....I am now to the point that I could care less who sings for Journey....it does however crack me up that after joining this place and making way too many
posts..it does seem to be the one thing that can still breathe life into what has become a rather mundane place.

Thanks for your post Giddy...now to go and try and get back that 5 minutes of my life. :wink:


You mean it only took you five minutes??
From our previous encounters, I guessed it would take someone like you much longer. :lol:



Well I should have stopped at the first sentence but I was weak...won't happen again! :lol:

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Postby Gideon » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:12 am

portland wrote:
Gideon wrote:
portland wrote:Me too...now go sit in the corner you are in time out (that's what I did when I owned a daycare and the two year old kids ranted like Giddy) :wink: :lol:


Blah....I am now to the point that I could care less who sings for Journey....it does however crack me up that after joining this place and making way too many
posts..it does seem to be the one thing that can still breathe life into what has become a rather mundane place.

Thanks for your post Giddy...now to go and try and get back that 5 minutes of my life. :wink:


You mean it only took you five minutes??
From our previous encounters, I guessed it would take someone like you much longer. :lol:



Well I should have stopped at the first sentence but I was weak...won't happen again! :lol:

Happy Holiday's may all your Journey suck! :lol:


Now that's a season's greetings in true Melodic Rock spirit! :lol:
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Re: Just watched "Live In Manilla"....

Postby majik » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:19 pm

G.I.Jim wrote:And never noticed how rough Arnel sounds on the video! He sounds hoarse and struggling throughout. The best moments are when Deen sings. I really wish Journey would go another direction. Arnel seems like a great guy, but he has taken away ALL interest I have in the band. Unless they find someone else, I'm done with seeing them live. Rant over... :cry:



I've had this dvd since its release and after many attempts have never been able to get more than half way through it before loosing complete interest. Arnel just doesn't cut it. Same with Revelation, gave it a few spins all the way through and now after 2-3 tracks have to turn it off. Passed on Eclipse too, I'm done with Journey.
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Re: Just watched "Live In Manilla"....

Postby FamilyMan » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:03 pm

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G.I.Jim wrote:And never noticed how rough Arnel sounds on the video! He sounds hoarse and struggling throughout. The best moments are when Deen sings. I really wish Journey would go another direction. Arnel seems like a great guy, but he has taken away ALL interest I have in the band. Unless they find someone else, I'm done with seeing them live. Rant over... :cry:



I've had this dvd since its release and after many attempts have never been able to get more than half way through it before loosing complete interest. Arnel just doesn't cut it. Same with Revelation, gave it a few spins all the way through and now after 2-3 tracks have to turn it off. Passed on Eclipse too, I'm done with Journey.


Harsh. I think the big problem with virtually any DVD we've been given since Vegas 2001 is the set list. We're hearing the same songs tour after tour. Truly, is there any difference between what's on the Revelation Live disc vs. Manilla? Arnel not withstanding, I think we're just tired of the songs played exactly the same night after night. The "Generations" tour DVD -- now that I'd like to see. Won't happen, but it would be great.
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Postby majik » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:27 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

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Postby steveo777 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:34 pm

majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?
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Postby majik » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:31 pm

steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Fair enough. My 18 year old son leaves the room 20 mins or so into the Manila dvd and his opinion of revelation in his words.... meh!! yet he loves the Perry and Augeri era and I hear him blasting their catalogue often, then again he is a musician. My 20 year old son is pretty much of the same opinion.
As for the personal life of Neal and Arnel good for them but...who cares, its about the music and the magic and sadly both are missing.
Just my 2 cents thats all so be cool. 8)
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:47 pm

majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Fair enough. My 18 year old son leaves the room 20 mins or so into the Manila dvd and his opinion of revelation in his words.... meh!! yet he loves the Perry and Augeri era and I hear him blasting their catalogue often, then again he is a musician. My 20 year old son is pretty much of the same opinion.
As for the personal life of Neal and Arnel good for them but...who cares, its about the music and the magic and sadly both are missing.
Just my 2 cents thats all so be cool. 8)


You are cool. I get it that people have different feelings about it. I'm just damn thankful they are still playing. Not only just for me, but for generations. :D
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Postby FamilyMan » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:39 pm

steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Neal may be happy... Not sure Jon is... :(
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Postby G.I.Jim » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:27 am

steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Well holy he drank the whole fucking pitcher of Kool aid Batman!! :shock: :lol: :lol: Neal... you can stop posting now, we know it's you. :lol: They love each other? Lol!!! They probably can't stand being in the same room with each other. :lol: Do you have matching Neal and Arnel pillows to sleep on at night? :shock:

This is a thread I started and I'm discussing MY dislike of the bands direction. Many others feel the same as I do. Feel free to start your own thread as the cheerleader, but don't tell me to take my opinions elsewhere. And take your Kool Aid with you please. :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:34 pm

G.I.Jim wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Well holy he drank the whole fucking pitcher of Kool aid Batman!! :shock: :lol: :lol: Neal... you can stop posting now, we know it's you. :lol: They love each other? Lol!!! They probably can't stand being in the same room with each other. :lol: Do you have matching Neal and Arnel pillows to sleep on at night? :shock:

This is a thread I started and I'm discussing MY dislike of the bands direction. Many others feel the same as I do. Feel free to start your own thread as the cheerleader, but don't tell me to take my opinions elsewhere. And take your Kool Aid with you please. :wink:


I drank the whole damn thing from a 64oz super tanker mug I got from 7-11. Fuck you! 8) :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby portland » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:16 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Well holy he drank the whole fucking pitcher of Kool aid Batman!! :shock: :lol: :lol: Neal... you can stop posting now, we know it's you. :lol: They love each other? Lol!!! They probably can't stand being in the same room with each other. :lol: Do you have matching Neal and Arnel pillows to sleep on at night? :shock:

This is a thread I started and I'm discussing MY dislike of the bands direction. Many others feel the same as I do. Feel free to start your own thread as the cheerleader, but don't tell me to take my opinions elsewhere. And take your Kool Aid with you please. :wink:



He must be on an IV drip of Kool Aid.....the board has swung the other way....this is now the kinder gentler Journey board. That's why it's so damn quiet....crickets anyone?
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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:42 am

portland wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Well holy he drank the whole fucking pitcher of Kool aid Batman!! :shock: :lol: :lol: Neal... you can stop posting now, we know it's you. :lol: They love each other? Lol!!! They probably can't stand being in the same room with each other. :lol: Do you have matching Neal and Arnel pillows to sleep on at night? :shock:

This is a thread I started and I'm discussing MY dislike of the bands direction. Many others feel the same as I do. Feel free to start your own thread as the cheerleader, but don't tell me to take my opinions elsewhere. And take your Kool Aid with you please. :wink:



He must be on an IV drip of Kool Aid.....the board has swung the other way....this is now the kinder gentler Journey board. That's why it's so damn quiet....crickets anyone?



Well fuck that! I'm here to kick ass and drink Kool Aid, and I'm AAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL out of Kool Aid. I'll kick this place in the ass (or just Steve's). :lol: :lol:
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Postby Gideon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:08 am

portland wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Revelation and Eclipse are two strong efforts by the band, but I really wouldn't care if this lineup dissolved tomorrow. There's no magic here.


Thats it right there, there is no magic.

:(


There is lots of magic for the new fans. My 29 year old daughter absolutely gushes over Arnel and plays Eclipse often. I think it's time for some of the old wenches and geezers to take their hate filled hats elsewhere. Steve Perry isn't coming back and Arnel is a phenomenal singer and front man. Anyone who doesn't agree with me can go shit fire! I will defend this line up until the day I die. This band is together and they love each other and it shows. Neal is engaged and he's never looked happier. Arnel just had a new daughter, has a great family life and is proud of who he is. I look at the bigger picture, the whole package.....and right now the package is gleeming with happiness and success. Why would anyone try and tear that down?


Well holy he drank the whole fucking pitcher of Kool aid Batman!! :shock: :lol: :lol: Neal... you can stop posting now, we know it's you. :lol: They love each other? Lol!!! They probably can't stand being in the same room with each other. :lol: Do you have matching Neal and Arnel pillows to sleep on at night? :shock:

This is a thread I started and I'm discussing MY dislike of the bands direction. Many others feel the same as I do. Feel free to start your own thread as the cheerleader, but don't tell me to take my opinions elsewhere. And take your Kool Aid with you please. :wink:



He must be on an IV drip of Kool Aid.....the board has swung the other way....this is now the kinder gentler Journey board. That's why it's so damn quiet....crickets anyone?


Then you have no reason to oppose my "harshness."
But we all know why you dooooo. :wink: :lol:
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Postby Rick » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:33 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Well fuck that! I'm here to kick ass and drink Kool Aid, and I'm AAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL out of Kool Aid.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:57 am

Rick wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:Well fuck that! I'm here to kick ass and drink Kool Aid, and I'm AAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL out of Kool Aid.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: One of my favorite classic movies. HAD to steal it. :wink:
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Postby AR » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:25 am

At this point, age 44 - I'm saying goodbye to all my childhood bands. I've seen most of them enough. I absorbed plenty of lineup changes, but when groups are up in their 60's it's making me lose interest with replacements. That's not the only reason though. Kiss are arguably my favorite band ever, and it's becoming heartbreaking hearing Paul Stanley attempt to sing. Boston has a reprehensible clone pretending to be Brad Delp and Yes are on their 2nd tribute band imposter.

Journey played music chairs with singers too many times and sure, I knew many of the players involved. Lost complete interest after all that, although I might see Arnel live away from Journey and those studio albums were fine.

I'll see Cheap Trick for the time being since they still sound as good as ever, and the current lineup of Foreigner is good, even if their setlists are very stale.

Also I refuse to continue paying outlandish ticket prices. Fleetwood MAC - love ya, but no thank ya!

I can't see me ever paying over $100 to see an artist ever again. I'm living off of my music and DVD collection and watching my favorite bands in their prime. Still willing to go and see some of them if it doesn't destroy my wallet though.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:08 pm

AR wrote:At this point, age 44 - I'm saying goodbye to all my childhood bands. I've seen most of them enough. I absorbed plenty of lineup changes, but when groups are up in their 60's it's making me lose interest with replacements. That's not the only reason though. Kiss are arguably my favorite band ever, and it's becoming heartbreaking hearing Paul Stanley attempt to sing. Boston has a reprehensible clone pretending to be Brad Delp and Yes are on their 2nd tribute band imposter.

Journey played music chairs with singers too many times and sure, I knew many of the players involved. Lost complete interest after all that, although I might see Arnel live away from Journey and those studio albums were fine.

I'll see Cheap Trick for the time being since they still sound as good as ever, and the current lineup of Foreigner is good, even if their setlists are very stale.

Also I refuse to continue paying outlandish ticket prices. Fleetwood MAC - love ya, but no thank ya!

I can't see me ever paying over $100 to see an artist ever again. I'm living off of my music and DVD collection and watching my favorite bands in their prime. Still willing to go and see some of them if it doesn't destroy my wallet though.


I've drank enough kool-aide that I'm certain to get free passes next year! :P :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:15 pm

steveo777 wrote:
AR wrote:At this point, age 44 - I'm saying goodbye to all my childhood bands. I've seen most of them enough. I absorbed plenty of lineup changes, but when groups are up in their 60's it's making me lose interest with replacements. That's not the only reason though. Kiss are arguably my favorite band ever, and it's becoming heartbreaking hearing Paul Stanley attempt to sing. Boston has a reprehensible clone pretending to be Brad Delp and Yes are on their 2nd tribute band imposter.

Journey played music chairs with singers too many times and sure, I knew many of the players involved. Lost complete interest after all that, although I might see Arnel live away from Journey and those studio albums were fine.

I'll see Cheap Trick for the time being since they still sound as good as ever, and the current lineup of Foreigner is good, even if their setlists are very stale.

Also I refuse to continue paying outlandish ticket prices. Fleetwood MAC - love ya, but no thank ya!

I can't see me ever paying over $100 to see an artist ever again. I'm living off of my music and DVD collection and watching my favorite bands in their prime. Still willing to go and see some of them if it doesn't destroy my wallet though.


I've drank enough kool-aide that I'm certain to get free passes next year! :P :wink: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: True dat!
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Postby hoagiepete » Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:32 am

AR wrote:At this point, age 44 - I'm saying goodbye to all my childhood bands. I've seen most of them enough. I absorbed plenty of lineup changes, but when groups are up in their 60's it's making me lose interest with replacements. That's not the only reason though. Kiss are arguably my favorite band ever, and it's becoming heartbreaking hearing Paul Stanley attempt to sing. Boston has a reprehensible clone pretending to be Brad Delp and Yes are on their 2nd tribute band imposter.

Journey played music chairs with singers too many times and sure, I knew many of the players involved. Lost complete interest after all that, although I might see Arnel live away from Journey and those studio albums were fine.

I'll see Cheap Trick for the time being since they still sound as good as ever, and the current lineup of Foreigner is good, even if their setlists are very stale.

Also I refuse to continue paying outlandish ticket prices. Fleetwood MAC - love ya, but no thank ya!

I can't see me ever paying over $100 to see an artist ever again. I'm living off of my music and DVD collection and watching my favorite bands in their prime. Still willing to go and see some of them if it doesn't destroy my wallet though.


Said it before, but I think it's time for members of these bands to form some supergroups and hunker down in Vegas (ala Celene/Elton John) and play each others stuff. I'd take the shows in while there. Permanent staging could be awesome and it would take a load off the travel weary rockers.
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Postby donnaplease » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:48 pm

steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:55 pm

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steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:
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Postby Rick » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:07 pm

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steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:


I definitely get what Donna is saying. There are some things that Arnel does that just make me cringe. Like flubbing the lyrics in Lights every time he sings it, or some of his stage mannerisms. What does it for me is exactly what you said, Steve, when he sings, the dude has a voice as big as Texas, and he can just flat out bring it. His back story is hard to deny and he's just a really likable person. I have no problem with him singing for Journey. I just wish he would learn that it's... "It's sad, oh there's been mornings out on the road without you" and not "out of the road without you". Every time I've heard him sing that song, he gets that wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:13 pm

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steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:


I definitely get what Donna is saying. There are some things that Arnel does that just make me cringe. Like flubbing the lyrics in Lights every time he sings it, or some of his stage mannerisms. What does it for me is exactly what you said, Steve, when he sings, the dude has a voice as big as Texas, and he can just flat out bring it. His back story is hard to deny and he's just a really likable person. I have no problem with him singing for Journey. I just wish he would learn that it's... "It's sad, oh there's been mornings out on the road without you" and not "out of the road without you". Every time I've heard him sing that song, he gets that wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Somebody said he should go spend some time with Perry and he would come out a changed singer, or something to that effect. I am behind that idea on all fours! Even if Perry will not sing, I think he could teach Arnel a mountain of technique. I know, I know.....this will probably never happen. :D
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Postby Rick » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:21 pm

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steveo777 wrote:
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steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:


I definitely get what Donna is saying. There are some things that Arnel does that just make me cringe. Like flubbing the lyrics in Lights every time he sings it, or some of his stage mannerisms. What does it for me is exactly what you said, Steve, when he sings, the dude has a voice as big as Texas, and he can just flat out bring it. His back story is hard to deny and he's just a really likable person. I have no problem with him singing for Journey. I just wish he would learn that it's... "It's sad, oh there's been mornings out on the road without you" and not "out of the road without you". Every time I've heard him sing that song, he gets that wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Somebody said he should go spend some time with Perry and he would come out a changed singer, or something to that effect. I am behind that idea on all fours! Even if Perry will not sing, I think he could teach Arnel a mountain of technique. I know, I know.....this will probably never happen. :D


I think it's a freakin genius idea, but I'm like you in thinking that it won't happen.
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Postby slucero » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:36 pm

Rick wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Rick wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:


I definitely get what Donna is saying. There are some things that Arnel does that just make me cringe. Like flubbing the lyrics in Lights every time he sings it, or some of his stage mannerisms. What does it for me is exactly what you said, Steve, when he sings, the dude has a voice as big as Texas, and he can just flat out bring it. His back story is hard to deny and he's just a really likable person. I have no problem with him singing for Journey. I just wish he would learn that it's... "It's sad, oh there's been mornings out on the road without you" and not "out of the road without you". Every time I've heard him sing that song, he gets that wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Somebody said he should go spend some time with Perry and he would come out a changed singer, or something to that effect. I am behind that idea on all fours! Even if Perry will not sing, I think he could teach Arnel a mountain of technique. I know, I know.....this will probably never happen. :D


I think it's a freakin genius idea, but I'm like you in thinking that it won't happen.



That was me.. and I think it would be life changing for Arnel.. because the difference between AP and SP isn't talent or technique...

it's songwriting..

Perry has a unique ability to create melody within the song lyric.. its why we love his voice so much... the lay person hears Perry and focuses on on the obvious thing, his voice.. but the way he "paints" the lyric with his voice is the difference..

and that is songwriting skill.. not singing..

and THAT is what AP could learn from SP.. and what would (I believe) help AP move from just being someone who "sings".. to a being a "singer"..

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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:48 pm

slucero wrote:
Rick wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Rick wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Arnel speaks English. He's gotten better, much better. I do realize that you probably haven't been paying attention for the past couple years. I didn't really hear any issues with his english last summer when I saw them at the Gorge. Filipinos are taugh English and for you to think he doesn't understand the words he sings is just flat out ignorant. Doctors come out of colleges in the Philippines with all the credentials they need to practice medicine in the USA. Maybe to your ears he isn't delivering the words properly (accent and diction), but trust me, I'd bet my left nut his understanding and ability to articulate are as good as yours and mine. Make no mistake, he knows the words he sings as well as you or I.


When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:


I definitely get what Donna is saying. There are some things that Arnel does that just make me cringe. Like flubbing the lyrics in Lights every time he sings it, or some of his stage mannerisms. What does it for me is exactly what you said, Steve, when he sings, the dude has a voice as big as Texas, and he can just flat out bring it. His back story is hard to deny and he's just a really likable person. I have no problem with him singing for Journey. I just wish he would learn that it's... "It's sad, oh there's been mornings out on the road without you" and not "out of the road without you". Every time I've heard him sing that song, he gets that wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Somebody said he should go spend some time with Perry and he would come out a changed singer, or something to that effect. I am behind that idea on all fours! Even if Perry will not sing, I think he could teach Arnel a mountain of technique. I know, I know.....this will probably never happen. :D


I think it's a freakin genius idea, but I'm like you in thinking that it won't happen.



That was me.. and I think it would be life changing for Arnel.. because the difference between AP and SP isn't talent or technique...

it's songwriting..

Perry has a unique ability to create melody within the song lyric.. its why we love his voice so much... the lay person hears Perry and focuses on on the obvious thing, his voice.. but the way he "paints" the lyric with his voice is the difference..

and that is songwriting skill.. not singing..

and THAT is what AP could learn from SP.. and what would (I believe) help AP move from just being someone who "sings".. to a being a "singer"..


Thanks for revealing it was you. I wasn't up to sifting though all the posts to find it, but you have a very good idea! :D
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Postby donnaplease » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:04 pm

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donnaplease wrote:When I lived in San Diego, I worked with several professional Filipinos, who while they were able to communicate effectively, still made it clear that their understanding and/or command of the intricacies of the English language was somewhat lacking.

I think what Storyteller's wife and Annie are saying is that he doesn't "sell" it to us as listeners. His life story, while inspiring and touching, further leads me to believe he doesn't feel the emotion of some of the songs. His life experiences were so drastically different than those expressed in the lyrics and music... Add that to the distraction of the diction issue and it just dampens the whole experience.


I guess I understand all this going in and allow for that in my mind, making me less critical. It makes for a better experience for me. Actually, when I consider the kind of person Arnel is, it removes any minor handicaps he may have, compared to if he were born and raised here. Internationally, I think folks are even less critical, as he makes the music sound like Journey. :wink:


That's cool that you can look past his performance flaws and enjoy the music. He certainly does seem to be a great guy. It's just too distracting for me, and takes away from the overall experience. And then, when I consider the kind of person Neal is, it makes me even more critical, because it's all about making the music 'sound like Journey'. It's funny, I recall so many people saying "I don't care about their private lives, it's about the music" when discussing what an asshat Neal and Jon are, but then put Arnel on a pedestal because of his private life. Not talking about you specifically Steve :wink: Speaking of asshats, anybody hear from St. John lately? I miss the big guy! :)
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Postby STORY_TELLER » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:17 pm

My 2 cents:

The problem I have with Arnel as lead singer is that his vocals, while technically fantastic, are just that: Technical. Some people can tell the difference. Others can't, because the only connection they get from the music is at the technical level. They only hear what's on the surface. So to them, there's no difference between Perry, Augeri or Pineda as long as the voice is an in-tune tenor with power and vibratto.

When Arnel sings the Perry-era catalog he covers all the notes very well. Great range, great vibrato, great power -- but no soul, no feeling, no style (other than what he mimics from Perry's take on the songs) and to me, the character of his voice sounds like a teenage broadway singer. Very American Idol. Technically proficient, but no rock character, no style, very bland. There's simply no art there. That's what I personally hear from Arnel, and I'm turned off by it.

Perry was a vocal stylist. When he sings rock, he sounds like a rock singer. When he sings ballads he sounds like a soul singer. Whatever song he sings, he delivers it in a way that is unique to Steve Perry. He creates sounds that are VERY unique to him and him alone. That's the mark of an artist. Go listen to Clannad's "White Fool" for an example of this. Listen to the sounds and melody choices Perry makes there. The character of his voice and his artistic choices blow my mind. There's a lot of thought and effort in those choices. He connects the audience to the music. That's where the mystical "it" factor is, and I think it's why Journey became as big as they did. It's also what's missing in Journey on all their new music.

Having said that, for the purpose of the endless greatest hits tour, they've got the right guy to do the job. Arnel sings that very difficult catalog and he sings it well. I'm not really interested in seeing them live anymore. Whatever tingle I used to get from the concert disappeared at the end of the first concert I saw with Arnel. I don't have words for it, it's just gone. But I'm glad they're still out there and I'm glad people are enjoying them. It's just not for me.

Neal is my guitar hero. I'm always willing to slap down some bucks for new music from him and I admire his work ethic. He doesn't stop, he doesn't give up. He lives to play and is always looking for reasons to make new music. That's admirable in an artist and he should be applauded for it. But the magic in Journey was the chemistry between Neal and Perry and you can't recreate that. It's elusive, and it's simply not there with Arnel.

Wish the band all the best though, and I'm looking forward to Neal's next solo release.
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Postby majik » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:04 pm

STORY_TELLER wrote:My 2 cents:

The problem I have with Arnel as lead singer is that his vocals, while technically fantastic, are just that: Technical. Some people can tell the difference. Others can't, because the only connection they get from the music is at the technical level. They only hear what's on the surface. So to them, there's no difference between Perry, Augeri or Pineda as long as the voice is an in-tune tenor with power and vibratto.

When Arnel sings the Perry-era catalog he covers all the notes very well. Great range, great vibrato, great power -- but no soul, no feeling, no style (other than what he mimics from Perry's take on the songs) and to me, the character of his voice sounds like a teenage broadway singer. Very American Idol. Technically proficient, but no rock character, no style, very bland. There's simply no art there. That's what I personally hear from Arnel, and I'm turned off by it.

Perry was a vocal stylist. When he sings rock, he sounds like a rock singer. When he sings ballads he sounds like a soul singer. Whatever song he sings, he delivers it in a way that is unique to Steve Perry. He creates sounds that are VERY unique to him and him alone. That's the mark of an artist. Go listen to Clannad's "White Fool" for an example of this. Listen to the sounds and melody choices Perry makes there. The character of his voice and his artistic choices blow my mind. There's a lot of thought and effort in those choices. He connects the audience to the music. That's where the mystical "it" factor is, and I think it's why Journey became as big as they did. It's also what's missing in Journey on all their new music.

Having said that, for the purpose of the endless greatest hits tour, they've got the right guy to do the job. Arnel sings that very difficult catalog and he sings it well. I'm not really interested in seeing them live anymore. Whatever tingle I used to get from the concert disappeared at the end of the first concert I saw with Arnel. I don't have words for it, it's just gone. But I'm glad they're still out there and I'm glad people are enjoying them. It's just not for me.

Neal is my guitar hero. I'm always willing to slap down some bucks for new music from him and I admire his work ethic. He doesn't stop, he doesn't give up. He lives to play and is always looking for reasons to make new music. That's admirable in an artist and he should be applauded for it. But the magic in Journey was the chemistry between Neal and Perry and you can't recreate that. It's elusive, and it's simply not there with Arnel.

Wish the band all the best though, and I'm looking forward to Neal's next solo release.
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+1 well put, not only do you know how to listen to music but feel it too. :)
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