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majik wrote:In regard to choice, there is either choice right across the board or there is not, no in between or limited choice. Did you choose to wake up this morning or did it just happen, do you choose to breathe or does it just happen ? well choose not to breathe and see how that goes for you. There is no choice anywhere to be found when examined
closely, thats all pretend so the I which is EGO can feel in control.
Oh! Master Po was a fictional tv character grasshopper pure fiction thats living is it, living in tv land maybe.![]()
As for your statement "not making any decisions is avoiding life" well thats crap, it is being in the flow of life and being at ease with whatever presents itself. at one with what IS.
The Tao is not something to believe in
and what it is cannot be spoken of but it can be KNOWN. You know nothing about meditation or the Tao try again grasshopper.
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majik wrote:If you believe that those SIMPLE choices have such a PROFOUND effect what is a major life changing choice going to do to YOU?
Dig a little deeper and you may discover its a partial and erroneous view, all views are partial.
Did you choose the colour of your eyes and hair
your health, your blood pressure, your thoughts etc. if you were choosing your thoughts you would never have a negative thought ever again.
At what point in your life did you realise that you were confronted with all this choice ?
lets say age 3-4 where was choice, your choice prior to that? Or is it an idea you have been taught and now believe. There is the appearance of choice thats all.
If you truly believe this then you will also have to believe that not only the gunman chose to be there but also the children chose to be there or worse still the parents chose for them. What a burden and guilt trip to place on grieving parents. It would seem choice is HELL ON EARTH.
I'm not really interested in discussing a tv show from the '70s.
In regards to the Tao, rejecting the idea of Tao or not does not matter as there is no leaving the Tao.
The earth thing doesn't make much sense sorry.
majik wrote:Boomchild wrote:majik wrote:Monker wrote:artist4perry wrote:Duncan wrote:artist4perry wrote:Duncan wrote:scarygirl wrote:artist4perry wrote:G.I.Jim wrote:parfait wrote:Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?
The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.
What would Jesus do?
Tell you to stop using his name in vain.
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Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!
Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.
Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.
Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.
Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.
Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.
Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.
Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.
So, we know for sure that each and every person affected by this tragic, horrific event believes in a "God". I think that's a stretch. Where else will they go for support? Their loved ones, friends, strangers that can sympathize with their loss and professionals that are experienced in helping people who have had such things happen to them. And speaking of God, he does not always provide answers. Also, yes i believe that some may be debating or discussing guns laws since guns were part of the reason their loved ones died.
I never said they are all believers, I mentioned believers and unbelievers turning to God for answers. The sympathy of friends and strangers you talk of will fade soon enough.
Guns are not the reason people died guns were the method used. God doesn't provide answers at all that was my point, it was said in the context of keeping religion out of it but you knew that. As for professionals helping I'm afraid they are totally inadequate too.
Boomchild wrote:majik wrote:Boomchild wrote:majik wrote:Monker wrote:artist4perry wrote:Duncan wrote:artist4perry wrote:Duncan wrote:scarygirl wrote:artist4perry wrote:G.I.Jim wrote:parfait wrote:Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?
The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.
What would Jesus do?
Tell you to stop using his name in vain.
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Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!
Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.
Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.
Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.
Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.
Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.
Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.
Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.
So, we know for sure that each and every person affected by this tragic, horrific event believes in a "God". I think that's a stretch. Where else will they go for support? Their loved ones, friends, strangers that can sympathize with their loss and professionals that are experienced in helping people who have had such things happen to them. And speaking of God, he does not always provide answers. Also, yes i believe that some may be debating or discussing guns laws since guns were part of the reason their loved ones died.
I never said they are all believers, I mentioned believers and unbelievers turning to God for answers. The sympathy of friends and strangers you talk of will fade soon enough.
Guns are not the reason people died guns were the method used. God doesn't provide answers at all that was my point, it was said in the context of keeping religion out of it but you knew that. As for professionals helping I'm afraid they are totally inadequate too.
I do not think that they are all turning to God for answers. That implies that an unbeliever now turns to something he\she doesn't believe in for answers. Personally, I do not think guns were the reason people died in this event but, as we have seen a lot of people do and I would not doubt that some of those include the families involved. So, it's not a stretch to think that they would be discussing or debating our gun laws.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.
Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.
verslibre wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.
Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.
The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).
The Sushi Hunter wrote:verslibre wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.
Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.
The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).
Most people are like electricity, they travel along the path of least resistance. So sure, the gun is there and they can use that with least effort. However, remove the gun and they will simply have to choose another path. In the end, it doesn't matter what weapon they chose, if a person wants to kill people, they will find whatever means possible to fulfill their desire. That's the real issue right there.
verslibre wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.
Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.
The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).
majik wrote:This right here IS IT, period. Shaping a future destiny is fantasy and never turns out the way it is planned.
What is this "I" that is doing all this "Living",
No, there are conceptual extremes that may appear and neither one is reality but appearance only. When all extremes collapse as all concepts do what remains is THIS as it is because what THIS IS is non conceptual reality.
Really, is that why some people smoke and live to be 90 while a non smoker health conscious fit person dies of lung cancer at 30. Their choice was it?
You may seem to choose friends but you either click or you don't
As for trust people will always do what you least expect thats life.
A recluse may enjoy their reclusiveness and really enjoy it because they are at ease with self and really love life. He may even think everyone else is insane, so what.
Its just what is happening in the moment. Everything that has spontaneously transpired this morning has led to the reading of this post. If I could choose my choice would have been to not read it but I had no choice. The onus is on you to prove there is choice. I'm saying there is only the appearance of choice.
Reality is reality and cannot be anything but itself but your perception of reality is completely inaccurate if that is what is happening, you get what you get.
"My reality is the Tao is this and that", putting words in my mouth there mate. Distinctions only appear in thought, pause thought for a moment and the Tao manifests as IT IS without you trying to get it to conform to the way you "think" it is or should be.
[/quote]Monker wrote:majik wrote:This right here IS IT, period. Shaping a future destiny is fantasy and never turns out the way it is planned.
I'm not saying it is a planned out thing. I'm saying the decisions I make form my destiny. As Po said, it doesn't matter if you choose left or right, whichever road you choose has an end and that is your destiny.What is this "I" that is doing all this "Living",
I am a bunch of atomic particles created by exploding start that are molecularity bonded to form "me".No, there are conceptual extremes that may appear and neither one is reality but appearance only. When all extremes collapse as all concepts do what remains is THIS as it is because what THIS IS is non conceptual reality.
On one extreme is a person who frets over everything, even things he has no control of but wants to change. That is not living life. That is fearing life.
On the other extreme is someone like you who feels it best to not take any choice seriously cuz it will all work out in the end as it is meant to.
Really, is that why some people smoke and live to be 90 while a non smoker health conscious fit person dies of lung cancer at 30. Their choice was it?
If someone smokes and lives to be 90, how do you know if they wouldn't live to be 91 if they didn't smoke? If someone doesn't smoke and dies at 30 does smoke how do you know they wouldn't die at 29? In the end, it doesn't matter much to me...they are living the life they choose and it really doesn't concern me.You may seem to choose friends but you either click or you don't
Correct, but if you make the effort with the wrong type of people, that will change who you are and lead to a different life.As for trust people will always do what you least expect thats life.
So?A recluse may enjoy their reclusiveness and really enjoy it because they are at ease with self and really love life. He may even think everyone else is insane, so what.
Correct, so what? If you close your doors and lock yourself inside, you are not living life, you are avoiding it. If you love that life, fine...so what?Its just what is happening in the moment. Everything that has spontaneously transpired this morning has led to the reading of this post. If I could choose my choice would have been to not read it but I had no choice. The onus is on you to prove there is choice. I'm saying there is only the appearance of choice.
Reality is reality and cannot be anything but itself but your perception of reality is completely inaccurate if that is what is happening, you get what you get.
"My reality is the Tao is this and that", putting words in my mouth there mate. Distinctions only appear in thought, pause thought for a moment and the Tao manifests as IT IS without you trying to get it to conform to the way you "think" it is or should be.
When you do the above, this is what you read like...had to look this up specifically for you:
http://www.autodidactproject.org/quote/hitch1.html
Don't forget to answer the question above! To what are you referring when you say "I".... maybe introduce me to this "I" you intimately know.
Boomchild wrote:So lets see what else we should ban because it is/was used as weapon or a vehicle to deliver the weapon. We had people sending envelopes through U.S. mail filled with Anthrax. We should now close the U.S. postal service because a bomb or deadly chemical weapon can slip through and kill people. Having a U.S. mail system is not a Constitutional right and look at the money it would save the tax payers. We also should ban air travel since jumbo jets were used as a weapon to kill thousands of people in the WTC. There's no Constitutional right to be able to fly on a plane.
Section 8: Powers of Congress
Enumerated powers
Main article: Enumerated powers
Congress's legislative powers are enumerated in Section Eight: Enumerated powers
- The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
- To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
- To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
- To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
- To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
- To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
- To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
- To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
- To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
- To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
- To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
- To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
- To provide and maintain a Navy;
- To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
- To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
- To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
- To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
slucero wrote:Boomchild wrote:So lets see what else we should ban because it is/was used as weapon or a vehicle to deliver the weapon. We had people sending envelopes through U.S. mail filled with Anthrax. We should now close the U.S. postal service because a bomb or deadly chemical weapon can slip through and kill people. Having a U.S. mail system is not a Constitutional right and look at the money it would save the tax payers. We also should ban air travel since jumbo jets were used as a weapon to kill thousands of people in the WTC. There's no Constitutional right to be able to fly on a plane.
Actually post offices (and the mail system) are mandated under Article I, Section 8, Clause 7:Section 8: Powers of Congress
Enumerated powers
Main article: Enumerated powers
Congress's legislative powers are enumerated in Section Eight: Enumerated powers
- The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
- To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
- To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
- To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
- To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
- To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
- To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
- To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
- To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
- To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
- To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
- To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
- To provide and maintain a Navy;
- To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
- To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
- To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
- To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
verslibre wrote:We must enact a national banana ban because people can slip and fall on banana peels. Banana peels are potentially deadly objects which can harm or cause death if somebody steps on one and slips and falls or lunges sideways and impales his or her head on a paper spike on a desk.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:It's the growing desire to kill that people have that needs to be addressed.
Like yesterday I was reading where a guy walked up to a homeless old lady sleeping on a bus stop bench, poured a flammable liquid on her and torched her. WTF! I'm sure if the guy had a gun he'd a used that, but he used what he could get his hands on.
Or how about this fucker who worked at various hospitals giving many people hepatitis C:
http://www.azfamily.com/news/health/Man ... 32726.html
majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses!
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Paranoia rules.
steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses!
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Paranoia rules.
I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.
Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me!
majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses!
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Paranoia rules.
I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.
Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me!
And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy!![]()
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours.
steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses!
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Paranoia rules.
I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.
Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me!
And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy!![]()
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours.
I BELIEVE IN DOG!
majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses!
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Paranoia rules.
I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.
Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me!
And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy!![]()
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours.
I BELIEVE IN DOG!
lol. I believe in my cat.
Why are you here dude, were you not entertained? lightened up you take things much too seriously ya big girl.
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