27 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:49 am

In line at the store this morning before work, I noticed the new issue of People Magazine at the checkout stand. Just as I thought they would, all the pix of the dead kids. I'm sure doing that will bring in lots of money for the magazine from sales. If any of those kids were my relatives, I wouldn't allow them to put the picture in the magazine.
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Postby Monker » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:53 am

majik wrote:In regard to choice, there is either choice right across the board or there is not, no in between or limited choice. Did you choose to wake up this morning or did it just happen, do you choose to breathe or does it just happen ? well choose not to breathe and see how that goes for you. There is no choice anywhere to be found when examined
closely, thats all pretend so the I which is EGO can feel in control.


That is just not true. You chose to get on the computer. You chose to get on the internet. You chose to browse to this forum. You chose to read this thread. You chose to reply to my post, and do it all again and read this one...and you have a choice on whether to reply or not.

You can decide to not wake up, by killing yourself. You answered yourself with the 'choose to breath' point. You choose to wake up every day, you choose to get out of bed, you choose what clothes to wear or to walk around naked or in your sleep clothes. You choose to take a shower or bath. You choose to use soap and/or shampoo. You choose to dry yourself off.

And, you choose to teach your mentally disturbed child how to use a gun, you choose to not securely lock your guns away. Those simple choices have a pretty profound affect on yourself and the people around you.

Oh! Master Po was a fictional tv character grasshopper pure fiction thats living is it, living in tv land maybe. :lol:


Good storytelling, and art in general, is a reflection on real life. Read Joseph Campbell, do a search on the "Heroes Journey". Almost every great story you can think of is a parody on a life's journey.

As for your statement "not making any decisions is avoiding life" well thats crap, it is being in the flow of life and being at ease with whatever presents itself. at one with what IS.


Ah, so when a person is stuck in a school with a mentally disturbed kid going about shooting children, your advice is to just believe, "Ah, that's just the way it is." And, just go about your business...not making any decisions on what to do to protect yourself or the people around you.

There are always choices...you make thousands of them every day, whether acknowledge that or not.

The Tao is not something to believe in
and what it is cannot be spoken of but it can be KNOWN. You know nothing about meditation or the Tao try again grasshopper.
Twist away :roll: :lol:


If Kwai Chang Caine chose to not try to grab the pebble from Po's hand, and chose instead to leave the temple...then he would have chosen to reject the idea of a Tao...Such is the decision of millions of people every day. Just because somebody believes the fact that the Earth is flat because that is what his eyes show him, it does not mean that the fact is that the Earth isn't round. And, just because you believe the fact is the Earth round does not mean the other dimensions of the Universe cause things to make much more sense to view EVERYTHING in two dimensions...meaning the Earth is REALLY flat. People choose what to believe, or not believe.
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Postby majik » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:36 am

Monker wrote:

"That is just not true. You chose to get on the computer. You chose to get on the internet. You chose to browse to this forum. You chose to read this thread. You chose to reply to my post, and do it all again and read this one...and you have a choice on whether to reply or not.

You can decide to not wake up, by killing yourself. You answered yourself with the 'choose to breath' point. You choose to wake up every day, you choose to get out of bed, you choose what clothes to wear or to walk around naked or in your sleep clothes. You choose to take a shower or bath. You choose to use soap and/or shampoo. You choose to dry yourself off.

And, you choose to teach your mentally disturbed child how to use a gun, you choose to not securely lock your guns away. Those simple choices have a pretty profound affect on yourself and the people around you."

If you believe that those SIMPLE choices have such a PROFOUND effect what is a major life changing choice going to do to YOU? what a burden you must carry every second of every day and you call that living sounds like hell to me.
Dig a little deeper and you may discover its a partial and erroneous view, all views are partial.
Did you choose the colour of your eyes and hair, your health, your blood pressure, your thoughts etc. if you were choosing your thoughts you would never have a negative thought ever again.
At what point in your life did you realise that you were confronted with all this choice ? lets say age 3-4 where was choice, your choice prior to that? Or is it an idea you have been taught and now believe. There is the appearance of choice thats all.

" Good storytelling, and art in general, is a reflection on real life. Read Joseph Campbell, do a search on the "Heroes Journey". Almost every great story you can think of is a parody on a life's journey."

Life is a reflection of a deeper reality, life is a parody of itself good story telling. :D


Ah, so when a person is stuck in a school with a mentally disturbed kid going about shooting children, your advice is to just believe, "Ah, that's just the way it is." And, just go about your business...not making any decisions on what to do to protect yourself or the people around you.

There are always choices...you make thousands of them every day, whether acknowledge that or not."

If you truly believe this then you will also have to believe that not only the gunman chose to be there but also the children chose to be there or worse still the parents chose for them. What a burden and guilt trip to place on grieving parents. It would seem choice is HELL ON EARTH.
Unfortunately what this is is unlimited and infinite potentiality spontaneously happening the result is anything can and does happen good and bad.


"If Kwai Chang Caine chose to not try to grab the pebble from Po's hand, and chose instead to leave the temple...then he would have chosen to reject the idea of a Tao...Such is the decision of millions of people every day. Just because somebody believes the fact that the Earth is flat because that is what his eyes show him, it does not mean that the fact is that the Earth isn't round. And, just because you believe the fact is the Earth round does not mean the other dimensions of the Universe cause things to make much more sense to view EVERYTHING in two dimensions...meaning the Earth is REALLY flat. People choose what to believe, or not believe."


I'm not really interested in discussing a tv show from the '70s.
In regards to the Tao, rejecting the idea of Tao or not does not matter as there is no leaving the Tao.
The earth thing doesn't make much sense sorry.

When all is said and done what is there ? what remains ?.... just This, just as it is or isn't, spontaneously happening and in that there may or may not be the appearance that there is choice, unlimited infinite potentiality anything can and does happen. Its all Tao!! even reading your post and responding to it, simply what is happening in this moment.
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Postby Monker » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:31 pm

majik wrote:If you believe that those SIMPLE choices have such a PROFOUND effect what is a major life changing choice going to do to YOU?


It is going to cause me to live my life and reach the destiny that I shape for my self.

Dig a little deeper and you may discover its a partial and erroneous view, all views are partial.


I understand all that. What you do not understand is that there are extremes on both sides...and neither of those extremes is really 'living'.

Did you choose the colour of your eyes and hair


Yes. I wear contacts and my eyes can be any color I want them to be. I do not color my hair, but I know people who have.

your health, your blood pressure, your thoughts etc. if you were choosing your thoughts you would never have a negative thought ever again.


You have at least partial control over all of those things...you can choose to live a healthy life, or an unhealthy one.

At what point in your life did you realise that you were confronted with all this choice ?


I would say during high school I saw I was making choices every day that would affect me for the rest of my life. You choose who your friends are. You choose who you trust, and don't trust. You choose your career. These are things every active member of society does. You can also choose to be a recluse...but, as I said, you are not really living life.

lets say age 3-4 where was choice, your choice prior to that? Or is it an idea you have been taught and now believe. There is the appearance of choice thats all.


Prove to me that you did not choose to read this post.

If you truly believe this then you will also have to believe that not only the gunman chose to be there but also the children chose to be there or worse still the parents chose for them. What a burden and guilt trip to place on grieving parents. It would seem choice is HELL ON EARTH.


Of course the parents made that choice. And, the next day every parent that heard this story had to make that same choice yet again. That "HELL ON EARTH" is called life. Life isn't some type of blissful meandering thing. How can you truly appreciate feeling good if you do not know what it is to feel bad?

I'm not really interested in discussing a tv show from the '70s.
In regards to the Tao, rejecting the idea of Tao or not does not matter as there is no leaving the Tao.
The earth thing doesn't make much sense sorry.


LOL

What it means is reality is frequently inaccurate. Your reality is Tao is this and that...but not everybody shares your view of reality.
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Postby majik » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:02 pm

Monker:

Ok, so you still want to play, I'm up for that.

You wrote:
"It is going to cause me to live my life and reach the destiny that I shape for my self."

This right here IS IT, period. Shaping a future destiny is fantasy and never turns out the way it is planned. However the deeper question to explore is when you say "i" to what are you referring, do you mean the body or the mind? tell me what is this "I" you take for granted and have never questioned. What is this "I" that is doing all this "Living",

" I understand all that. What you do not understand is that there are extremes on both sides...and neither of those extremes is really 'living'."

No, there are conceptual extremes that may appear and neither one is reality but appearance only. When all extremes collapse as all concepts do what remains is THIS as it is because what THIS IS is non conceptual reality.

" Yes. I wear contacts and my eyes can be any color I want them to be. I do not color my hair, but I know people who have."

You mean your contacts can be any colour you want doh! while your eye colour remains the TRUE!! Good to know you still have hair though was that by choice. :lol:

"You have at least partial control over all of those things...you can choose to live a healthy life, or an unhealthy one."

Really, is that why some people smoke and live to be 90 while a non smoker health conscious fit person dies of lung cancer at 30. Their choice was it?


I would say during high school I saw I was making choices every day that would affect me for the rest of my life. You choose who your friends are. You choose who you trust, and don't trust. You choose your career. These are things every active member of society does. You can also choose to be a recluse...but, as I said, you are not really living life."

You may seem to choose friends but you either click or you don't, if it happens it happens if it doesn't well no amount of choosing is going to change that. As for trust people will always do what you least expect thats life.
A recluse may enjoy their reclusiveness and really enjoy it because they are at ease with self and really love life. He may even think everyone else is insane, so what.

"Prove to me that you did not choose to read this post."

Its just what is happening in the moment. Everything that has spontaneously transpired this morning has led to the reading of this post. If I could choose my choice would have been to not read it but I had no choice. The onus is on you to prove there is choice. I'm saying there is only the appearance of choice.

"Of course the parents made that choice. And, the next day every parent that heard this story had to make that same choice yet again. That "HELL ON EARTH" is called life. Life isn't some type of blissful meandering thing. How can you truly appreciate feeling good if you do not know what it is to feel bad?"

That "HELL ON EARTH" is appearing in thought until thought is seen for what it is... just THOUGHTS coming and going in what you are, not what you think you are.
Feeling good or feeling bad is not in our control and is not an achievement of choice if it were no one would choose to feel bad. Again it is the way life is spontaneously presenting itself in this moment.

" What it means is reality is frequently inaccurate. Your reality is Tao is this and that...but not everybody shares your view of reality."

Reality is reality and cannot be anything but itself but your perception of reality is completely inaccurate if that is what is happening, you get what you get.
"My reality is the Tao is this and that", putting words in my mouth there mate. Distinctions only appear in thought, pause thought for a moment and the Tao manifests as IT IS without you trying to get it to conform to the way you "think" it is or should be.

Don't forget to answer the question above! To what are you referring when you say "I".... maybe introduce me to this "I" you intimately know.
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Postby Boomchild » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:04 pm

majik wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
majik wrote:
Monker wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Duncan wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Duncan wrote:
scarygirl wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
parfait wrote:Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?



Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

:wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!


Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.


Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.


Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.


Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.


Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.


Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.


So, we know for sure that each and every person affected by this tragic, horrific event believes in a "God". I think that's a stretch. Where else will they go for support? Their loved ones, friends, strangers that can sympathize with their loss and professionals that are experienced in helping people who have had such things happen to them. And speaking of God, he does not always provide answers. Also, yes i believe that some may be debating or discussing guns laws since guns were part of the reason their loved ones died.



I never said they are all believers, I mentioned believers and unbelievers turning to God for answers. The sympathy of friends and strangers you talk of will fade soon enough.
Guns are not the reason people died guns were the method used. God doesn't provide answers at all that was my point, it was said in the context of keeping religion out of it but you knew that. As for professionals helping I'm afraid they are totally inadequate too.


I do not think that they are all turning to God for answers. That implies that an unbeliever now turns to something he\she doesn't believe in for answers. Personally, I do not think guns were the reason people died in this event but, as we have seen a lot of people do and I would not doubt that some of those include the families involved. So, it's not a stretch to think that they would be discussing or debating our gun laws.
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Postby majik » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:22 pm

Boomchild wrote:
majik wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
majik wrote:
Monker wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Duncan wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Duncan wrote:
scarygirl wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
parfait wrote:Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?



Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

:wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!


Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.


Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.


Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.


Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.


Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.


Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.


So, we know for sure that each and every person affected by this tragic, horrific event believes in a "God". I think that's a stretch. Where else will they go for support? Their loved ones, friends, strangers that can sympathize with their loss and professionals that are experienced in helping people who have had such things happen to them. And speaking of God, he does not always provide answers. Also, yes i believe that some may be debating or discussing guns laws since guns were part of the reason their loved ones died.



I never said they are all believers, I mentioned believers and unbelievers turning to God for answers. The sympathy of friends and strangers you talk of will fade soon enough.
Guns are not the reason people died guns were the method used. God doesn't provide answers at all that was my point, it was said in the context of keeping religion out of it but you knew that. As for professionals helping I'm afraid they are totally inadequate too.


I do not think that they are all turning to God for answers. That implies that an unbeliever now turns to something he\she doesn't believe in for answers. Personally, I do not think guns were the reason people died in this event but, as we have seen a lot of people do and I would not doubt that some of those include the families involved. So, it's not a stretch to think that they would be discussing or debating our gun laws.



Okay. Maybe as an unbeliever you have never suffered sufficiently that you would grasp for any straw to ease your suffering even turning to a god you have never believed in, if you are a believer then you cannot know for sure. See if it holds true when you draw your terminal breath, ( if an unbeliever ) said with love of course. :D

I just imagine that for myself I would be so grief stricken that debating gun laws would not be part of my thought process and even this I do not know for sure.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:07 am

Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.

Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.

My co-worker last week was trying to make a point in the office that Japan doesn't have guns and that's why they don't have mass shootings/killings. She was using Japan as her example because she knows my wife in Japanese and I love living in Japan. But what she doesn't know is how many recent mass murders have happened in Japan using knives and swords. 8 school kids killed by a mentally ill janitor and the incident that happened while I was in Japan in 2008.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:26 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.

Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.


The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:34 am

verslibre wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.

Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.


The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).


Most people are like electricity, they travel along the path of least resistance. So sure, the gun is there and they can use that with least effort. However, remove the gun and they will simply have to choose another path. In the end, it doesn't matter what weapon they chose, if a person wants to kill people, they will find whatever means possible to fulfill their desire. That's the real issue right there.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:00 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.

Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.


The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).


Most people are like electricity, they travel along the path of least resistance. So sure, the gun is there and they can use that with least effort. However, remove the gun and they will simply have to choose another path. In the end, it doesn't matter what weapon they chose, if a person wants to kill people, they will find whatever means possible to fulfill their desire. That's the real issue right there.


People shouldn't be surprised at the carnage humans are capable of. The gun and the missile are simply the newest and most efficient forms of projectile weapon. Before that, arrows killed plenty of people. The best archers were also a lot better at not hitting bystanders, unlike some fool who's finger-humping the trigger. Oh, yeah, those swords, knives and axes, too. Hack, slice, chop, sever, dismember. So many choices!
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Postby Monker » Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:32 am

verslibre wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Simply, if guns were the only thing people were able to use to kill other people, then yeah, you could say eliminating guns would be the answer. However, this is not the reality, just look at how many things you can't take on board an aircraft which can and has been used as weapons. Look at how many things you can't smuggle into a prison that can and has been used to kill other inmates.

Hammers, vehicles, knives, chain saws, rope, poison, bare hands, fire, rocks, bats, etc. and this is just the tip of the iceberg on things people can, have and will continue used to kill people. Just look at how many fuckers Jeffrey Dahmer killed, all without using a gun but with the help of poison/drugs.


The lame comeback people keep using whenever that point is made is "—but guns kill people so much easier!" (their bad grammar, not mine).


And, none of those things Sushi mentioned have a Constitutional Amendment which has been interpreted as guaranteeing you a RIGHT TO OWN.

So, I think Sushi is right and the Constitution should be changed to remove the second amendment and guns should be treated no differently then say, cars...where owners have to register their cars and pass a written and "in use" test with a sheriff before a license to use is issued, and you must be required to buy insurance to drive them, of course you can't even drive a car without a responsible adult until you are 16. And, perhaps ammo should be taxed like gasoline.

If all of that was required, maybe you wouldn't allow your mental patient kid to learn how to shoot them, and you would lock them up so he couldn't get them to shoot you and a bunch of kids.
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Postby Monker » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:13 pm

majik wrote:This right here IS IT, period. Shaping a future destiny is fantasy and never turns out the way it is planned.


I'm not saying it is a planned out thing. I'm saying the decisions I make form my destiny. As Po said, it doesn't matter if you choose left or right, whichever road you choose has an end and that is your destiny.

What is this "I" that is doing all this "Living",


I am a bunch of atomic particles created by exploding start that are molecularity bonded to form "me".

No, there are conceptual extremes that may appear and neither one is reality but appearance only. When all extremes collapse as all concepts do what remains is THIS as it is because what THIS IS is non conceptual reality.


On one extreme is a person who frets over everything, even things he has no control of but wants to change. That is not living life. That is fearing life.

On the other extreme is someone like you who feels it best to not take any choice seriously cuz it will all work out in the end as it is meant to.

Really, is that why some people smoke and live to be 90 while a non smoker health conscious fit person dies of lung cancer at 30. Their choice was it?


If someone smokes and lives to be 90, how do you know if they wouldn't live to be 91 if they didn't smoke? If someone doesn't smoke and dies at 30 does smoke how do you know they wouldn't die at 29? In the end, it doesn't matter much to me...they are living the life they choose and it really doesn't concern me.

You may seem to choose friends but you either click or you don't


Correct, but if you make the effort with the wrong type of people, that will change who you are and lead to a different life.

As for trust people will always do what you least expect thats life.


So?

A recluse may enjoy their reclusiveness and really enjoy it because they are at ease with self and really love life. He may even think everyone else is insane, so what.


Correct, so what? If you close your doors and lock yourself inside, you are not living life, you are avoiding it. If you love that life, fine...so what?

Its just what is happening in the moment. Everything that has spontaneously transpired this morning has led to the reading of this post. If I could choose my choice would have been to not read it but I had no choice. The onus is on you to prove there is choice. I'm saying there is only the appearance of choice.

Reality is reality and cannot be anything but itself but your perception of reality is completely inaccurate if that is what is happening, you get what you get.
"My reality is the Tao is this and that", putting words in my mouth there mate. Distinctions only appear in thought, pause thought for a moment and the Tao manifests as IT IS without you trying to get it to conform to the way you "think" it is or should be.


When you do the above, this is what you read like...had to look this up specifically for you:

http://www.autodidactproject.org/quote/hitch1.html

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Postby majik » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:13 pm

Monker wrote:
majik wrote:This right here IS IT, period. Shaping a future destiny is fantasy and never turns out the way it is planned.


I'm not saying it is a planned out thing. I'm saying the decisions I make form my destiny. As Po said, it doesn't matter if you choose left or right, whichever road you choose has an end and that is your destiny.

What is this "I" that is doing all this "Living",


I am a bunch of atomic particles created by exploding start that are molecularity bonded to form "me".

No, there are conceptual extremes that may appear and neither one is reality but appearance only. When all extremes collapse as all concepts do what remains is THIS as it is because what THIS IS is non conceptual reality.


On one extreme is a person who frets over everything, even things he has no control of but wants to change. That is not living life. That is fearing life.

On the other extreme is someone like you who feels it best to not take any choice seriously cuz it will all work out in the end as it is meant to.

Really, is that why some people smoke and live to be 90 while a non smoker health conscious fit person dies of lung cancer at 30. Their choice was it?


If someone smokes and lives to be 90, how do you know if they wouldn't live to be 91 if they didn't smoke? If someone doesn't smoke and dies at 30 does smoke how do you know they wouldn't die at 29? In the end, it doesn't matter much to me...they are living the life they choose and it really doesn't concern me.

You may seem to choose friends but you either click or you don't


Correct, but if you make the effort with the wrong type of people, that will change who you are and lead to a different life.

As for trust people will always do what you least expect thats life.


So?

A recluse may enjoy their reclusiveness and really enjoy it because they are at ease with self and really love life. He may even think everyone else is insane, so what.


Correct, so what? If you close your doors and lock yourself inside, you are not living life, you are avoiding it. If you love that life, fine...so what?

Its just what is happening in the moment. Everything that has spontaneously transpired this morning has led to the reading of this post. If I could choose my choice would have been to not read it but I had no choice. The onus is on you to prove there is choice. I'm saying there is only the appearance of choice.

Reality is reality and cannot be anything but itself but your perception of reality is completely inaccurate if that is what is happening, you get what you get.
"My reality is the Tao is this and that", putting words in my mouth there mate. Distinctions only appear in thought, pause thought for a moment and the Tao manifests as IT IS without you trying to get it to conform to the way you "think" it is or should be.


When you do the above, this is what you read like...had to look this up specifically for you:

http://www.autodidactproject.org/quote/hitch1.html

Don't forget to answer the question above! To what are you referring when you say "I".... maybe introduce me to this "I" you intimately know.
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:57 pm

So lets see what else we should ban because it is/was used as weapon or a vehicle to deliver the weapon. We had people sending envelopes through U.S. mail filled with Anthrax. We should now close the U.S. postal service because a bomb or deadly chemical weapon can slip through and kill people. Having a U.S. mail system is not a Constitutional right and look at the money it would save the tax payers. We also should ban air travel since jumbo jets were used as a weapon to kill thousands of people in the WTC. There's no Constitutional right to be able to fly on a plane.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:10 pm

We must enact a national banana ban because people can slip and fall on banana peels. Banana peels are potentially deadly objects which can harm or cause death if somebody steps on one and slips and falls or lunges sideways and impales his or her head on a paper spike on a desk.
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Postby slucero » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:58 pm

Boomchild wrote:So lets see what else we should ban because it is/was used as weapon or a vehicle to deliver the weapon. We had people sending envelopes through U.S. mail filled with Anthrax. We should now close the U.S. postal service because a bomb or deadly chemical weapon can slip through and kill people. Having a U.S. mail system is not a Constitutional right and look at the money it would save the tax payers. We also should ban air travel since jumbo jets were used as a weapon to kill thousands of people in the WTC. There's no Constitutional right to be able to fly on a plane.


Actually post offices (and the mail system) are mandated under Article I, Section 8, Clause 7:

Section 8: Powers of Congress
Enumerated powers
Main article: Enumerated powers

Congress's legislative powers are enumerated in Section Eight: Enumerated powers
  • The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
  • To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
  • To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
  • To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
  • To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
  • To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
  • To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
  • To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
  • To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
  • To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
  • To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
  • To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
  • To provide and maintain a Navy;
  • To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
  • To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
  • To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
  • To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
  • To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:54 pm

slucero wrote:
Boomchild wrote:So lets see what else we should ban because it is/was used as weapon or a vehicle to deliver the weapon. We had people sending envelopes through U.S. mail filled with Anthrax. We should now close the U.S. postal service because a bomb or deadly chemical weapon can slip through and kill people. Having a U.S. mail system is not a Constitutional right and look at the money it would save the tax payers. We also should ban air travel since jumbo jets were used as a weapon to kill thousands of people in the WTC. There's no Constitutional right to be able to fly on a plane.


Actually post offices (and the mail system) are mandated under Article I, Section 8, Clause 7:

Section 8: Powers of Congress
Enumerated powers
Main article: Enumerated powers

Congress's legislative powers are enumerated in Section Eight: Enumerated powers
  • The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
  • To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
  • To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
  • To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
  • To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
  • To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
  • To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
  • To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
  • To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
  • To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
  • To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
  • To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
  • To provide and maintain a Navy;
  • To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
  • To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
  • To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
  • To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
  • To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

My mistake. Regardless, we need to remove this threat. Just about every American is open to this threat. Even more then guns. Call your Congressman now!
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Postby majik » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:27 pm

verslibre wrote:We must enact a national banana ban because people can slip and fall on banana peels. Banana peels are potentially deadly objects which can harm or cause death if somebody steps on one and slips and falls or lunges sideways and impales his or her head on a paper spike on a desk.


Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just happy to see me :wink:
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:39 am

It's the growing desire to kill that people have that needs to be addressed.

Like yesterday I was reading where a guy walked up to a homeless old lady sleeping on a bus stop bench, poured a flammable liquid on her and torched her. WTF! I'm sure if the guy had a gun he'd a used that, but he used what he could get his hands on.

Or how about this fucker who worked at various hospitals giving many people hepatitis C:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/health/Man ... 32726.html
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:45 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:It's the growing desire to kill that people have that needs to be addressed.

Like yesterday I was reading where a guy walked up to a homeless old lady sleeping on a bus stop bench, poured a flammable liquid on her and torched her. WTF! I'm sure if the guy had a gun he'd a used that, but he used what he could get his hands on.

Or how about this fucker who worked at various hospitals giving many people hepatitis C:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/health/Man ... 32726.html


Looks like now we need to ban all flammable liquids.
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:51 pm

Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:
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Postby majik » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:06 pm

steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:



:lol:

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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:12 pm

majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:



:lol:

Paranoia rules.



I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.

Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me! :wink:
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Postby majik » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:37 pm

steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:



:lol:

Paranoia rules.



I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.

Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me! :wink:



And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy! :lol:
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours. :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:49 pm

majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:



:lol:

Paranoia rules.



I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.

Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me! :wink:



And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy! :lol:
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours. :wink:


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Postby majik » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:59 pm

steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:



:lol:

Paranoia rules.



I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.

Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me! :wink:



And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy! :lol:
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours. :wink:


I BELIEVE IN DOG! :D


lol. I believe in my cat.

Why are you here dude, were you not entertained? lightened up you take things much too seriously ya big girl. :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:01 pm

majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
majik wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Even flatulence is flammable! Ban our asses! :wink:



:lol:

Paranoia rules.



I'm into murdering this thread. I think it's served it's purpose and become disrepectul. Seems it became a majik / monker thread.

Andrew, please nuke this baby! If ya don't it all goes down hill from here, because I am getting ready to unleash the beast of me! :wink:



And you can crack a joke about flatulence. Censor yourself first beastie boy! :lol:
or were you feeling a bit left out ? you could have joined in anytime especially with that whit of yours. :wink:


I BELIEVE IN DOG! :D


lol. I believe in my cat.

Why are you here dude, were you not entertained? lightened up you take things much too seriously ya big girl. :lol:


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Postby Rick » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:03 pm

Claim seeks $100 million for child survivor of Connecticut school shooting



MERIDEN, Connecticut (Reuters) - A $100 million claim on behalf of a 6-year-old survivor is the first legal action to come out of the Connecticut school shooting that left 26 children and adults dead two weeks ago.

The unidentified client, referred to as Jill Doe, heard "cursing, screaming, and shooting" over the school intercom when the gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, opened fire, according to the claim filed by New Haven-based attorney Irv Pinsky.

"As a consequence, the ... child has sustained emotional and psychological trauma and injury, the nature and extent of which are yet to be determined," the claim said.

Pinsky said he filed a claim on Thursday with state Claims Commissioner J. Paul Vance Jr., whose office must give permission before a lawsuit can be filed against the state.

"We all know its going to happen again," Pinsky said on Friday. "Society has to take action."

Twenty children and six adults were shot dead on December 14 at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The children were all 6 and 7 years old.

Pinsky's claim said that the state Board of Education, Department of Education and Education Commissioner had failed to take appropriate steps to protect children from "foreseeable harm."

It said they had failed to provide a "safe school setting" or design "an effective student safety emergency response plan and protocol."

Pinsky said he was approached by the child's parents within a week of the shooting.

The shooting, which also left the gunman dead, has prompted extensive debate about gun control and the suggestion by the National Rifle Association that schools be patrolled by armed guards. Police have said the gunman killed his mother at their home in Newtown before going to the school.
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