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Deep Purple & Journey – Vector Arena February 24, 2013

Postby Don » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:58 pm

Tater must be slacking off, usually he has this stuff up within a few hours. Guess I'll do the honors. :lol:

http://13thfloor.co.nz/reviews/concert- ... y-24-2013/


Veteran rockers Deep Purple have found a way to insure filling up a venue the size of Auckland’s Vector Arena…add another headliner to the bill as the opening act. In this case it’s Journey, the San Francisco band from the 70s/80s who epitomized the term “corporate rock” back in the day. They did their job, and Deep Purple were able to rock once more where they belong, in an arena.

This was the first time that Journey have played in New Zealand and there were plenty of fans on hand to see them. Their cache increased dramatically a few years ago when their song, Don’t Stop Believin’ was used on the final episode of The Sopranos.

I personally have never cared for the band…in fact I loathe them…and their performance tonight only reminded me why.

These days the band consists of founding members Neal Schon (guitar) and Ross Valory (bass) along with long-time keyboard player Jonathan Cain, drummer Deen Castronovo and, replacing Steve Perry, vocalist Arnel Pineda, a Filipino singer they found on YouTube back in 2007, singing Journey songs.

Their set began with an exhibition of Neal Schon’s guitar virtuosity…but it was all show and no soul. After his 4-minute guitar wank, Pineda joined the band and they go things going with Rubicon, a lesser-known track from their 1983 album, Frontiers.

The diminutive Arnel Pineda proved to be an energetic front man, leaping from the drum riser and urging the crowd to sing along. Yes, his voice is eerily similar to Steve Perry’s, but I couldn’t help but feel like I was witnessing a glorified karaoke contest. He never seemed to bring anything of his own to the songs and merely replicated what was on the records.

Drummer Deen Castronovo sang one song, Keep On Runnin’, and he too sounded like he was impersonating Perry, just not as well.

But there were plenty of hits for the faithful to sing along to…Lights, Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin’, Who’s Crying Now, Wheel In The Sky and, of course, Don’t Stop Believin’.

The sound quality during Journey’s set left something to be desired as well…it was very muddy and boomy…at least where I sat.

Fortunately Deep Purple’s sound man knew what he was doing and they sounded crystal clear.

For those keeping score, the band now consists of original drummer Ian Paice, Mark 2 vocalist Ian Gillan and bassist Roger Glover, Don Airey has taken over the keyboards from the late Jon Lord and Steve Morse has filled the shoes once worn by the cantankerous Ritchie Blackmore.

Although this band has been rockin’ in one form or another since 1968 (with a brief hiatus) they still sound like they love to play together. That was evident from the first number, Fireball, the title track from their 1971 album.

They remained in their golden era of the early 70s with Into The Fire and Hard Lovin’ Man, both from 1970’s Deep Purple In Rock album. Gillan added a bit of humour at the end of Hard Lovin’ Man with his tiny gong and much larger mallet. The band also did some of their finest jamming at the end of that tune.

After Maybe I’m A Leo, they launched into one of their best-known tunes, the 1971 single Strange Kind Of Woman…the crowd was on its feet. Although Gillan’s voice isn’t quite what it used to be, he gamely traded licks with guitarist Morse.

Afterwards, Gillan announced, “That was the jazz bit of the set, now it’s time to rock and roll”. They then played the most recent song of the set, 1993’s The Battle Rages On. Morse followed it with a killer solo. He’s definitely a different type of guitar player than Blackmore, a fortunately he doesn’t try to imitate him, even on well-known songs like Smoke On the Water. His playing throughout the night was a joy to listen to.

After Wasted Sunset, Morse let loose with another impressive solo.

And, as was the tradition in the 70s, there were solos all around. Drummer Paice took his during The Mule and Airey got a couple in that got the crowd cheering. Glover waited until the encore for his bass solo.

One thing that was something of a distraction was…and this is going to sound petty…Gillan’s appearance. With short, grey hair, white loafers, dress pants and a vest, he didn’t exactly look the part of “lead singer of Deep Purple”. He also left the front of the stage whenever there were instrumental passages to disappear behind a partition set up behind the drums. I got the feeling he had a comfy chair, a cup of tea and some Tim Tams set up there.

No matter, the band rocked hard and closed their set with a couple from the 1972 classic Machine Head…Space Truckin’ and the inevitable Smoke On The Water…which still sounded fresh after all these years.

They returned for an encore that started with a brief rendition of Booker T & The MG’s Green Onions before launching into a killer version of Hush. After Glover’s bass solo, they closed the night with…Black Night, of course.

The band has a new album due out in April, produced by Bob Ezrin. It’s a shame we didn’t hear anything from it, but still in all, no complaints here, except I would have liked to have heard Highway Star and Woman From Tokyo and Child In Time and Knockin’ At Your Back Door and…….

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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:02 pm

Gee Wally, I guess he's not a Journey fan. By the way, Beaver, you're not quite old enough to learn the word "wank". :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:06 pm

steveo777 wrote:Gee Wally, I guess he's not a Journey fan. By the way, Beaver, you're not quite old enough to learn the word "wank". :lol: :lol: :lol:


As I wrote in the the other thread, why all the ballads? You're playing before a lot of Deep Purple fans. At least at the Rock fests in Europe, Journey mixed in some uptempo numbers like Edge Of The Blade, Chain Reaction and others.
There's a ton of Filipino entertainers working the clubs in Australia. If Journey doesn't want it to seem that they just grabbed Arnel out of a local lounge, they really should try and mix it up a bit.

I would think they'll adjust that before their next show. And the same issue as always, SOUND, SOUND, SOUND.
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:17 pm

Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Gee Wally, I guess he's not a Journey fan. By the way, Beaver, you're not quite old enough to learn the word "wank". :lol: :lol: :lol:


As I wrote in the the other thread, why all the ballads? You're playing before a lot of Deep Purple fans. At least at the Rock fests in Europe, Journey mixed in some uptempo numbers like Edge Of The Blade, Chain Reaction and others.
There's a ton of Filipino entertainers working the clubs in Australia. If Journey doesn't want it to seem that they just grabbed Arnel out of a local lounge, they really should try and mix it up a bit.

I would think they'll adjust that before their next show. And the same issue as always, SOUND, SOUND, SOUND.


Maybe Andrew should talk to them about this, as I'm sure he's a VIP guest for a show coming up.
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Postby collingwood » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:09 pm

I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:46 pm

collingwood wrote:I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.


On Arnel's fan site, there is a poll asking which Eclipse songs folks want to hear when the band plays in Manila. There's been one response.
By comparison, when a poll was made in 2009 there were 221 votes cast for new songs off of Revelation..

I guess If your own hardcore supporters can't get on board with supporting your newest release in concert, what hope is there for the average fan?
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:08 pm

Don wrote:
collingwood wrote:I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.


On Arnel's fan site, there is a poll asking which Eclipse songs folks want to hear when the band plays in Manila. There's been one response.
By comparison, when a poll was made in 2009 there were 221 votes cast for new songs off of Revelation..

I guess If your own hardcore supporters can't get on board with supporting your newest release in concert, what hope is there for the average fan?


David Foster was in the Philippines and they weren't even going to play a Journey song, yet this woman kept calling out "faithfully". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofOpd0pn-20
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:18 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
collingwood wrote:I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.


On Arnel's fan site, there is a poll asking which Eclipse songs folks want to hear when the band plays in Manila. There's been one response.
By comparison, when a poll was made in 2009 there were 221 votes cast for new songs off of Revelation..

I guess If your own hardcore supporters can't get on board with supporting your newest release in concert, what hope is there for the average fan?


David Foster was in the Philippines and they weren't even going to play a Journey song, yet this woman kept calling out "faithfully". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofOpd0pn-20


Yeah, these are the same people saying don't compare Arnel to Steve Perry yet when given a choice of hearing songs written specifically for Pineda, they're clamoring for old SP tunes like Patiently and WYLAW.

You would think SAM would have a hundred requests on that site by now but there's naught but crickets.
I see two possible reasons for this. Either there is tremendous apathy towards the material on Eclipse OR perhaps after the initial euphoria of seeing a Pinoy front an iconic American Rock band a lot of the members have simply lost interest and moved on to the next big thing.
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:34 pm

Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
collingwood wrote:I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.


On Arnel's fan site, there is a poll asking which Eclipse songs folks want to hear when the band plays in Manila. There's been one response.
By comparison, when a poll was made in 2009 there were 221 votes cast for new songs off of Revelation..

I guess If your own hardcore supporters can't get on board with supporting your newest release in concert, what hope is there for the average fan?


David Foster was in the Philippines and they weren't even going to play a Journey song, yet this woman kept calling out "faithfully". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofOpd0pn-20


Yeah, these are the same people saying don't compare Arnel to Steve Perry yet when given a choice of hearing songs written specifically for Pineda, they're clamoring for old SP tunes like Patiently and WYLAW.

You would think SAM would have a hundred requests on that site by now but there's naught but crickets.
I see two possible reasons for this. Either there is tremendous apathy towards the material on Eclipse OR perhaps after the initial euphoria of seeing a Pinoy front an iconic American Rock band a lot of the members have simply lost interest and moved on to the next big thing.


Not very supportive of Arnel and new music, when you drill right down on it. Seems they just like the legacy songs, as most of us enjoy ourselves. This serves the karaoke community quite fine, which they embrace. Journey has their own set of "standards". In all fairness, maybe latest Journey just rocks too hard for their aging fan base. The groupies from there seem to be much older than Arnel.
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Postby slucero » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:24 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
collingwood wrote:I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.


On Arnel's fan site, there is a poll asking which Eclipse songs folks want to hear when the band plays in Manila. There's been one response.
By comparison, when a poll was made in 2009 there were 221 votes cast for new songs off of Revelation..

I guess If your own hardcore supporters can't get on board with supporting your newest release in concert, what hope is there for the average fan?


David Foster was in the Philippines and they weren't even going to play a Journey song, yet this woman kept calling out "faithfully". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofOpd0pn-20


Yeah, these are the same people saying don't compare Arnel to Steve Perry yet when given a choice of hearing songs written specifically for Pineda, they're clamoring for old SP tunes like Patiently and WYLAW.

You would think SAM would have a hundred requests on that site by now but there's naught but crickets.
I see two possible reasons for this. Either there is tremendous apathy towards the material on Eclipse OR perhaps after the initial euphoria of seeing a Pinoy front an iconic American Rock band a lot of the members have simply lost interest and moved on to the next big thing.


Not very supportive of Arnel and new music, when you drill right down on it. Seems they just like the legacy songs, as most of us enjoy ourselves. This serves the karaoke community quite fine, which they embrace. Journey has their own set of "standards". In all fairness, maybe latest Journey just rocks too hard for their aging fan base. The groupies from there seem to be much older than Arnel.



...or maybe the Pinoy fans are just like the other older American fans who didn't like Eclipse and instead prefer a legacy sounding Journey

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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:49 pm

slucero wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
collingwood wrote:I think they are being guided by the wrong people as to what songs to play. Where are the more recent songs?
I knew there would be some favourites left out as I think they could safely do 30 great songs, but knowing it was only going to be a 75 min gig, I'm not happy Escape has been left out. I think it's one of their best songs ever.

To be honest I was spewing when I heard they were playing with Deep Purple, I would of much rather seen them as the main act. A few years ago I saw Def Leppard and Cheap Trick were the support band and they were crap.... it's like the sound people make the first act sound average and then change it for the main act.

It's going to be probably the only time I'll get to see Journey, so I'll make the most of it. I don't think I'll be able to see them later in the year when I'm in the US, I'll try an see any of my fav bands if dates and times work out, but it won't be easy.


On Arnel's fan site, there is a poll asking which Eclipse songs folks want to hear when the band plays in Manila. There's been one response.
By comparison, when a poll was made in 2009 there were 221 votes cast for new songs off of Revelation..

I guess If your own hardcore supporters can't get on board with supporting your newest release in concert, what hope is there for the average fan?


David Foster was in the Philippines and they weren't even going to play a Journey song, yet this woman kept calling out "faithfully". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofOpd0pn-20


Yeah, these are the same people saying don't compare Arnel to Steve Perry yet when given a choice of hearing songs written specifically for Pineda, they're clamoring for old SP tunes like Patiently and WYLAW.

You would think SAM would have a hundred requests on that site by now but there's naught but crickets.
I see two possible reasons for this. Either there is tremendous apathy towards the material on Eclipse OR perhaps after the initial euphoria of seeing a Pinoy front an iconic American Rock band a lot of the members have simply lost interest and moved on to the next big thing.


Not very supportive of Arnel and new music, when you drill right down on it. Seems they just like the legacy songs, as most of us enjoy ourselves. This serves the karaoke community quite fine, which they embrace. Journey has their own set of "standards". In all fairness, maybe latest Journey just rocks too hard for their aging fan base. The groupies from there seem to be much older than Arnel.



...or maybe the Pinoy fans are just like the other older American fans who didn't like Eclipse and instead prefer a legacy sounding Journey

Yup, yup and yup. I agree. There won't be any more coming. The writing team is too expired or uninspired. :wink:
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Postby jrny84 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:57 am

steveo777 wrote:...or maybe the Pinoy fans are just like the other older American fans who didn't like Eclipse and instead prefer a legacy sounding Journey


I am a younger American fan and I prefer the legacy sound compared to Eclipse. Revelation was definetly more of the Journey sound I expect to hear with a Journey album.
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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:42 am

jrny84 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:...or maybe the Pinoy fans are just like the other older American fans who didn't like Eclipse and instead prefer a legacy sounding Journey


I am a younger American fan and I prefer the legacy sound compared to Eclipse. Revelation was definetly more of the Journey sound I expect to hear with a Journey album.


I'mma slap you. :evil: :lol: :twisted: :P

I hope their next album doesn't completely abandon Eclipse's direction. Another 'Resonate' or two (minus the shitty 50 second intro) would be nice.
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Postby jrny84 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:17 am

Gideon wrote:
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steveo777 wrote:...or maybe the Pinoy fans are just like the other older American fans who didn't like Eclipse and instead prefer a legacy sounding Journey


I am a younger American fan and I prefer the legacy sound compared to Eclipse. Revelation was definetly more of the Journey sound I expect to hear with a Journey album.


I'mma slap you. :evil: :lol: :twisted: :P

I hope their next album doesn't completely abandon Eclipse's direction. Another 'Resonate' or two (minus the shitty 50 second intro) would be nice.


I like Eclipse, it works great as a coaster for my nice cold mountain dew! :)
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:27 am

jrny84 wrote:I am a younger American fan and I prefer the legacy sound compared to Eclipse. Revelation was definetly more of the Journey sound I expect to hear with a Journey album.


Yea, *IF* the only Journey album in your collection is the greatest hits. Go compare Infinity to ROR or to Escape and get back to me. Glad the band had the balls to finally shake things up.
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Postby Eric » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:56 am

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jrny84 wrote:I am a younger American fan and I prefer the legacy sound compared to Eclipse. Revelation was definetly more of the Journey sound I expect to hear with a Journey album.


Yea, *IF* the only Journey album in your collection is the greatest hits. Go compare Infinity to ROR or to Escape and get back to me. Glad the band had the balls to finally shake things up.


Agreed.

Also, there are good and bad positive&negative reviews. This one is bad. And the bad all sound the same "I don't like Journey", "Lack of Soul". It's straight from Rollingstone.

The sound issue is worrisome though.
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Postby jrny84 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:45 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
jrny84 wrote:I am a younger American fan and I prefer the legacy sound compared to Eclipse. Revelation was definetly more of the Journey sound I expect to hear with a Journey album.


Yea, *IF* the only Journey album in your collection is the greatest hits. Go compare Infinity to ROR or to Escape and get back to me. Glad the band had the balls to finally shake things up.


Actually, I have every Journey studio album except "Generations" and every compilation album other than "Essential". While I do enjoy infinity alot, I also like some tunes off of ROR as well. Im not a ROR hater, like many people are. I like "Girl Cant Help It", "Ill Be Alright", "Be Good to Yourself", and "Why Cant This Night". Infinity, Evolution, and Departure are probably the albums I listen to the least. I would say Escape, Frontiers, TBF, Revelation, and ROR are the most for me. Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods, no interest for me. I felt like I was listening to a Neal Schon solo album featuring Arnel.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:24 am

jrny84 wrote:Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods...


Yea, that sounds really horrible, now doesn't it. :roll:
"Eclipse" represents the band taking a risk and actually showcasing their musicianship.
Something that is in increasingly rare supply in Journeyland these days.
Good for them.
"Revelation" is just lazy. It could be one of those European Frontiers projects that is trying to sound like Journey.
It's a toe tapper, but very cliche.
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Postby Don » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:09 pm

I'll bet this guy didn't care for the three ballads in a row. :lol:

"Yes, Journey had a muddy mix and minimal light show to work with. Too bad then that they suck more than any other band has sucked.
Here’s why: Every song is performed in a ‘power ballad’ key, with power ballad chord progressions. I mean EVERY song. This is just plain tiring to have to listen to.
The singer just doesn’t have the commanding stage presence expected of a frontman for a major act, not even close, it’s like watching the guy from your local pub band, only worse.
The drummer, Deen Castronovo, has no groove, that’s ZERO groove.
Jonathan Cain the keyboardist has no soul, and the bass player Ross Valory (who actually does have a likeable stage presence) unfortunately sets his bass up with a B-E-A-D string set with a much lower register – which just adds to the throbbing pain.
Neil Schon, the guitar player, might as well have just masturbated on stage, it would have been more meaningful. This show was just 60 minutes of pain and sheer bloody endurance."
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Postby Gideon » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:37 pm

Don wrote:I'll bet this guy didn't care for the three ballads in a row. :lol:

"Yes, Journey had a muddy mix and minimal light show to work with. Too bad then that they suck more than any other band has sucked.
Here’s why: Every song is performed in a ‘power ballad’ key, with power ballad chord progressions. I mean EVERY song. This is just plain tiring to have to listen to.
The singer just doesn’t have the commanding stage presence expected of a frontman for a major act, not even close, it’s like watching the guy from your local pub band, only worse.
The drummer, Deen Castronovo, has no groove, that’s ZERO groove.
Jonathan Cain the keyboardist has no soul, and the bass player Ross Valory (who actually does have a likeable stage presence) unfortunately sets his bass up with a B-E-A-D string set with a much lower register – which just adds to the throbbing pain.
Neil Schon, the guitar player, might as well have just masturbated on stage, it would have been more meaningful. This show was just 60 minutes of pain and sheer bloody endurance."


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Rick » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:57 pm

Don wrote:I'll bet this guy didn't care for the three ballads in a row. :lol:

"Yes, Journey had a muddy mix and minimal light show to work with. Too bad then that they suck more than any other band has sucked.
Here’s why: Every song is performed in a ‘power ballad’ key, with power ballad chord progressions. I mean EVERY song. This is just plain tiring to have to listen to.
The singer just doesn’t have the commanding stage presence expected of a frontman for a major act, not even close, it’s like watching the guy from your local pub band, only worse.
The drummer, Deen Castronovo, has no groove, that’s ZERO groove.
Jonathan Cain the keyboardist has no soul, and the bass player Ross Valory (who actually does have a likeable stage presence) unfortunately sets his bass up with a B-E-A-D string set with a much lower register – which just adds to the throbbing pain.
Neil Schon, the guitar player, might as well have just masturbated on stage, it would have been more meaningful. This show was just 60 minutes of pain and sheer bloody endurance."


Well, they can say they went. They don't have to go back. They may not let them come back. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Andrew » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:14 pm

WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE REVIEW IS THAT!
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Postby Rick » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:18 pm

Andrew wrote:WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE REVIEW IS THAT!


Did you get to go see them?
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Postby Don » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:19 pm

Well, at least he was right about the sound issues. The two reviews from Brisbane mention the same ongoing problems.

I still think having a Faithfully/Open Arms/ Lights medley in front of Deep Purple fans is too much of a Liberache moment. Is Michaele in charge of the setlist?
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Postby jrny84 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:59 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods...


Yea, that sounds really horrible, now doesn't it. :roll:
"Eclipse" represents the band taking a risk and actually showcasing their musicianship.
Something that is in increasingly rare supply in Journeyland these days.
Good for them.
"Revelation" is just lazy. It could be one of those European Frontiers projects that is trying to sound like Journey.
It's a toe tapper, but very cliche.


Sorry, but I am going to respectively disagree. I will take Revelation anyday over Neal's solo album featuring Journey.
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Postby Don » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:11 pm

jrny84 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods...


Yea, that sounds really horrible, now doesn't it. :roll:
"Eclipse" represents the band taking a risk and actually showcasing their musicianship.
Something that is in increasingly rare supply in Journeyland these days.
Good for them.
"Revelation" is just lazy. It could be one of those European Frontiers projects that is trying to sound like Journey.
It's a toe tapper, but very cliche.


Sorry, but I am going to respectively disagree. I will take Revelation anyday over Neal's solo album featuring Journey.


Eclipse was actually part 1 of a trilogy. The Calling was part 2 and part 3 will surface in the coming months. Then Santana 4 hits.
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:12 pm

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods...


Yea, that sounds really horrible, now doesn't it. :roll:
"Eclipse" represents the band taking a risk and actually showcasing their musicianship.
Something that is in increasingly rare supply in Journeyland these days.
Good for them.
"Revelation" is just lazy. It could be one of those European Frontiers projects that is trying to sound like Journey.
It's a toe tapper, but very cliche.


Sorry, but I am going to respectively disagree. I will take Revelation anyday over Neal's solo album featuring Journey.


Eclipse was actually part 1 of a trilogy. The Calling was part 2 and the third act will surface in the coming months. Then Santana 4 hits.


Undoubtably the best part!
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Postby jrny84 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:37 pm

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods...


Yea, that sounds really horrible, now doesn't it. :roll:
"Eclipse" represents the band taking a risk and actually showcasing their musicianship.
Something that is in increasingly rare supply in Journeyland these days.
Good for them.
"Revelation" is just lazy. It could be one of those European Frontiers projects that is trying to sound like Journey.
It's a toe tapper, but very cliche.


Sorry, but I am going to respectively disagree. I will take Revelation anyday over Neal's solo album featuring Journey.


Eclipse was actually part 1 of a trilogy. The Calling was part 2 and part 3 will surface in the coming months. Then Santana 4 hits.


Exactly! The Neal Schon Project.
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Postby Rick » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse to me is Journey on steriods...


Yea, that sounds really horrible, now doesn't it. :roll:
"Eclipse" represents the band taking a risk and actually showcasing their musicianship.
Something that is in increasingly rare supply in Journeyland these days.
Good for them.
"Revelation" is just lazy. It could be one of those European Frontiers projects that is trying to sound like Journey.
It's a toe tapper, but very cliche.


Sorry, but I am going to respectively disagree. I will take Revelation anyday over Neal's solo album featuring Journey.


Eclipse was actually part 1 of a trilogy. The Calling was part 2 and part 3 will surface in the coming months. Then Santana 4 hits.


I wouldn't beat Neal up too bad. He's been pandering to Cain all these years with the ballads and stuff, and finally got to do a Journey record the way he wanted to. I like that album. I love the heaviness of it. It's a great departure from their norm. It's absolutely the best produced album since TBF that they've released. You just can't turn it up loud enough for me.
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