A Conversation with Kevin Chalfant

[Don]

A little off-topic but since Jim Croce was mentioned; With licensing, royalties, income from five "Jim Croce" Jazz Clubs/Bars, Ingrid Croce makes between 3 to 4 million dollars annually. For a career that was cut short, not bad at all.

There's been over 20 Jim Croce compilation albums released AFTER his death.
When you write your own music, the money train doesn't slow down for you (or your beneficiaries) for a long, long time.

[annie89509]

A little off-topic but since Jim Croce was mentioned; With licensing, royalties, income from five "Jim Croce" Jazz Clubs/Bars, Ingrid Croce makes between 3 to 4 million dollars annually. For a career that was cut short, not bad at all.

There's been over 20 Jim Croce compilation albums released AFTER his death.
When you write your own music, the money train doesn't slow down for you (or your beneficiaries) for a long, long time.

Wow...
'70s was the golden age for music. Today's (AI- inspired type) of dime a dozen singer/artists will never hold the same type of nostalgia reverence.

[Eric]

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

NFW

For the Journey material - YFW.

[G.I.Jim]

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

NFW

For the Journey material - YFW.

NFW!!!

[slucero]

Mickey Thomas in '84 would have been the best choice.

Chalfant is on par with Augeri.

JSS was their shot at Van Hagar.

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

please.


Mickey Thomas
Mickey Thomas is the same age as Steve Perry, and Mickey can still sing.... does so actively..
Here he is at 61 years old singing "Jane" in the original key.,. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1WukIBnJwQ

Even at this age... Mickey could sing RINGS around Arnel...


Solo albums
As Long as You Love Me (1976)
Alive Alone (1981)
Forever Gold (2003), St. Clair Entertainment[4]
Over the Edge (2004)
Marauder (2011)[3]

with Elvin Bishop Group
Struttin' My Stuff (1975)
Hometown Boy Makes Good! (1976)
Raisin' Hell (1977)

with Jefferson Starship
Freedom at Point Zero (1979)
Modern Times (1981)
Winds of Change (1982)
Nuclear Furniture (1984)


with Starship
Knee Deep in the Hoopla (1985)
No Protection (1987)
Love Among the Cannibals (1989)
Greatest Hits (Ten Years and Change 1979-1991)
The Best of Starship (1993)





Kevin Chalfant

with 707 had a #12 hit "Megaforce"

was with Steel Breeze in the mid 80's

with the Storm had a #6 ("I’ve Got A Lot To Learn About Love" ) and #22 hit with "Show Me The Way"



Jeff Scott Soto

Discography
Solo albums

Love Parade - 1994
Holding On (EP) - 2002
Prism - 2002
JSS Live at the Gods 2002 (live) - 2003
Live at the Queen Convention 2003 (live) - 2004
Believe in Me (EP) - 2004
Lost in the Translation - 2004
Essential Ballads - 2006
Beautiful Mess - 2009
One Night in Madrid (live) - 2009
Live at Firefest 2008 - 2010
Damage Control - 2012

Talisman

Albums:

Talisman - 1990
Genesis - 1993
Humanimal Part II - 1994
Humanimal - 1994
Five out of Five (Live in Japan) - 1994
Life - 1995
Best of... (Compilation, different from above) - 1996
BESTerious (Compilation) - 1996
Truth - 1998
Live at Sweden Rock Festival - 2001
Cats and Dogs - 2003
Five Men Live - 2005
7 - 2006

Singles:

"Just Between Us" (1990)
"I'll be Waiting" (Sweden, 1990)
"Mysterious (This Time is Serious)" (1993)
"Time after Time" (1993)
"Doing Time With My Baby" (1994)
"Colour My XTC" (1994)
"All + All" (1994)
"Frozen" (1995)
"Crazy" (1998)

W.E.T.

Albums:

W.E.T. - 2009
Rise Up - 2013

Singles:

One Love (2009)
Comes Down Like Rain (2009)
Brothers In Arms (2009)
Learn to Live Again (2012)
Love Heals (2013)

Trans-Siberian Orchestra

Night Castle - 2009
Romanov: When Kings Must Whisper - 2012

Takara

Eternal Faith - 1993
Takara - Taste of Heaven - 1995
Eternity: Best of 93 - 98 (Compilation) - 1998
Blind in Paradise - 1998

Human Clay

HumAn cLay 1996
u4ia 1997
Closing the Book on Human Clay - 2003

Axel Rudi Pell

Albums:

Eternal Prisoner - 1992
The Ballads - 1993
Between the Walls - 1994
Made In Germany (Live) - 1995
Black Moon Pyramid - 1996
Magic - 1997

Singles:

"Forever Young" (1994)
"Cry Of The Gypsy" (1994)

Humanimal

Humanimal - 2002
Find My Way Home E.P. - 2002

Yngwie Malmsteen

Albums:

Rising Force - 1984
Marching Out - 1985
Inspiration - 1996

Singles:

"Studio/Live '85" (1985)
"I am a Viking" (Japan, 1985)
"Carry On Wayward Son" (Japan, 1996)

Eyes

Albums:

Eyes - 1990
Windows Of The Soul - 1993

Singles:

"Calling All Girls" - 1990
"Nobody Said It Was Easy" - 1990

Others lead vocals

Threashold - Threashold - 1983
Panther - Panther - 1986
Dragonne - On Dragons Wings - 1988
Kuni - Lookin' For Action - 1988
Kryst the Conqueror - Deliver Us From Evil (Credited as Kryst the Conqueror) - 1989
Alex Masi - Attack Of The Neon Shark - 1989
Skrapp Mettle - Sensitive - 1991
Biker Mice From Mars - Original Soundtrack - 1993
Da Black Side Brown - Da Black Side Brown - 1994
Gary Schutt - Sentimetal - 1994
Hollywood Underground - Hollywood Underground - 1996
The Boogie Knights - Welcome To The Jungle Boogie - 1997
Steel Dragon - Rock Star soundtrack - 2001
Ken Tamplin And Friends - Wake The Nations - 2003
Chris Catena - Freak Out! - 2003
Christian Rivel's Audiovision - The Calling - 2003
Laudamus - Lost In Vain - 2003
Edge of Forever - Feeding The Fire - 2004
Soul Sirkus - World Play - 2005
Michael Schenker - Heavy Hitters - 2005
Redlist - Ignorance - 2007
Jorge Salán - Chronicles of an Evolution - 2007
Tempestt - Bring'em on - 2007
Michael Schenker - Doctor Doctor: The Kulick Sessions - 2008
Taka Minamino - "AngelWing" - 2009
Jorge Salán - Estatuas en la calle - 2010
Danger Angel - Danger Angel - 2010
Jane Bogaert - Fifth Dimension - 2010
Last Autumn's Dream – A Touch of Heaven - 2010
Pushking - The World as We Love it - 2011
Evolution - "Last Time (feat. Jeff Scott Soto)" (Cd Single) - 2011
Evolution - Evolution (Album featuring Jeff Scott Soto, Derek Sherinian, Otep Shamaya & Others) - 2011
Michael Schenker - By Invitation Only - 2011
Talon - III - 2011
Mitch Malloy - II - 2011
Wolfpakk - Wolfpakk - 2011
Last Autumn's Dream - Nine Lives - 2011
Koritni - Welcome To The Crossroads - 2012
Reign of the Architect - Rise - 2012
Danger Angel - Revolutia - 2013

Various Artists tributes albums

Smoke On The Water: A Tribute to Deep Purple (1994): "Hush"
Dragon Attack: A Tribute To Queen (1996): "Save Me "
Hot For Remixes: Tribute to Van Halen (1999): "So This Is Love (Sheep On Drugs Remix)"
Head Soup: A Tribute To Ozzy Osbourne (2000): "Shot In The Dark"
Little Guitars - A Tribute To Van Halen (2000): "So This Is Love" (Re-released)
Let The Tribute Do The Talkin': A Tribute to Aerosmith (2001): "Cryin'"
An All Star Lineup Performing The Songs Of Pink Floyd (2002): "Us & Them"
We Salute You A Tribute to ACDC (2004): "Problem Child"
Numbers From The Beast – An All Star Salute To Iron Maiden (2004): "Aces High"
The Sweet According to Sweden: A Tribute to The Sweet (2004): "Love Is Like Oxygen" (Audiovision fect. JSS )
Frankie Banali & Friends 24/7/365 - Tribute To Led Zeppelin (2004): "Royal Orleans"
The Crown Jewels - A tribute To Queen (2005): "We Will Rock You"
80s Metal Tribute To Van Halen (2006): "So This Is Love" (Re-released)
Butchering The Beatles (2006): "Magical Mystery Tour"

Others background vocals

House of Lords - House of Lords - 1988
Glass Tiger - Simple Mission - 1990
Stryper - Against the Law - 1990
Stryper - Can't Stop the Rock - 1991
Saigon Kick - Saigon Kick - 1991
Lita Ford - Dangerous Curves - 1991
McQueen Street - McQueen Street - 1991
Randy Jackson's China Red - Bed of Nails - 1992
Steelheart - Tangled in Reins - 1992
Babylon A.D. - Nothing Sacred - 1992
Lita Ford - Black - 1992
Mitch Malloy - Mitch Malloy - 1992
Slaughter - The Wild Life - 1992
Pariah - To Mock a Killingbird - 1993
Thomas Vikstrom - If I Could Fly - 1993
Monster - Through The Eyes of the World - 1995
Amalgan - Delicate Stretch of the Seems - 1997
Paul Gilbert - Alligator Farm - 1997
Fergie Frederiksen - Equilibrium - 1999
Neil Turbin - Threatcon Delta - 2003
Takara - Invitation to Forever - 2008
Dokken - Lightning Strikes Again - 2008
Mad Max - Here We Are - 2008

Others as songwriter

Khymera - A New Promise - 2005: "You Can't Take Me (Away from You)"





Arnel Pineda:

Discography
Solo albums

Arnel Pineda (1999)

Zoo
Zoology (2007)

Journey
Revelation (2008)
Journey: Live in Manila (2009, DVD)
Eclipse (2011)

Other lead vocals
South Border — The Way We Do (track "Looking Glass") (2001)

Just based on their respective bodies of work, Arnel is maybe on par with Kevin Chalfant.. but as physically talented as Arnel is... he's still a one trick pony... who has a very limited ability to emote, or create melody within the lyric.. and needs the song to have been sung by somebody else before in order to know what to sing...

[Eric]

Mickey Thomas in '84 would have been the best choice.

Chalfant is on par with Augeri.

JSS was their shot at Van Hagar.

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

please.

Arnel is a physically talented.. one trick pony... who has a very limited ability to emote, or create melody within the lyric.. and needs the song to have been sung by somebody else before in order to know what to sing...


Mickey Thomas is the same age as Steve Perry, and Mickey can still sing.... does so actively..
Here he is at 61 years old singing "Jane" in the original key.,. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1WukIBnJwQ

Even at this age... Mickey could sing RINGS around Arnel...

I like Mickey Thomas...but what is HIS tour schedule compared to Arnel?

And there is plenty of great stuff on Revelation and Eclipse. His ability to emote works for me...and judging by tour attendance for many others as well.

[Eric]

Great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q--eGCjoWcY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR31vKqcU1I

[slucero]

Mickey Thomas in '84 would have been the best choice.

Chalfant is on par with Augeri.

JSS was their shot at Van Hagar.

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

please.

Arnel is a physically talented.. one trick pony... who has a very limited ability to emote, or create melody within the lyric.. and needs the song to have been sung by somebody else before in order to know what to sing...


Mickey Thomas is the same age as Steve Perry, and Mickey can still sing.... does so actively..
Here he is at 61 years old singing "Jane" in the original key.,. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1WukIBnJwQ

Even at this age... Mickey could sing RINGS around Arnel...

I like Mickey Thomas...but what is HIS tour schedule compared to Arnel?

And there is plenty of great stuff on Revelation and Eclipse. His ability to emote works for me...and judging by tour attendance for many others as well.

your exact words were

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

Non of what you posted has anything to do with tour schedules.. or attendance.

Revelation rode the wave of Arnels story, Walmrts participation, the Sopranos and the inclusion of the the redone Dirty dozen.. Eclipse is quite literally the worst selling Journey record ever.

For the most part they aren't even playing Revelation or Eclipse material in their sets anymore..


I like Arnel.. but he hasn't delivered anything on par with Jeff Scott Soto, or Mickey Thomas.. hence my reference to him being closer to Chalfant..

he hasn't shown me anything as a singer.. other than power and range.. and there's a lot more to singing than that.

[STORY_TELLER]

Great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q--eGCjoWcY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR31vKqcU1I

Good example. They both have great pipes, but neither emote terribly well. I think Chalfant would have been the better choice over Augeri, hands down. On new original music, I would give Chalfant the edge in vocal character. There's something broadway about Arnel's voice that I can't shake. Chalfant has more of a rock feel. But between Arnel and Chalfant, for the greatest hits tour, it's kind of a coin flip IMO.


Bottom line:
None of them come close to Perry's artistry or delivery, and that's what set him apart and made him unique. His voice and Neal's guitar is a chemistry that just can't be duplicated.

Having said that, I'm looking forward to Neal's solo album with Castronovo and Mendoza. Glad Neal still has the fire to make new music. He'll always be my guitar hero.

[tater1977]

Great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q--eGCjoWcY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR31vKqcU1I

Good example. They both have great pipes, but neither emote terribly well. I think Chalfant would have been the better choice over Augeri, hands down. On new original music, I would give Chalfant the edge in vocal character. There's something broadway about Arnel's voice that I can't shake. Chalfant has more of a rock feel. But between Arnel and Chalfant, for the greatest hits tour, it's kind of a coin flip IMO.


Bottom line:
None of them come close to Perry's artistry or delivery, and that's what set him apart and made him unique. His voice and Neal's guitar is a chemistry that just can't be duplicated.

Having said that, I'm looking forward to Neal's solo album with Castronovo and Mendoza. Glad Neal still has the fire to make new music. He'll always be my guitar hero.

AP does a good job on stage. While he doesn't seem to have any attachments to the songs personally, it comes across
to me ..as he's just doing a job.
Saw them last year & yeah there just wasn't that connection for me. He sang ok..but just no connection.
All we heard at the concert was.."if you just close your eyes"...
There's a lot of that "if you close your eyes" ..from critics, fans, and written in blogs & lol a lot of it in comments
on you tube...

But if your going to pay high prices to see journey...why would you want to "just close your eyes"...
Only answer I can come up with is ..."just close your eyes & imagine it's SP on stage"...
(might even take you back to simpiler times)..

When I go to a concert I want to inhale it all...(not the green smoke did that back in the 70s)...but the band, the songs, simpiler times, memories.. all that goes with it.

Now for new journey fans..they are creating their own memories ...which will be funny in about 20-25
years..They will be saying.."oh thats what them old folks were talking about"....
And they will be arguing / discussing the music with a new generation hopefully..
The music is timeless...

[Eric]

your exact words were

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

Non of what you posted has anything to do with tour schedules.. or attendance.

Then I clarified "for the Journey catalog". And I stand by that. Chalfant, Augeri and JSS cannot do Journey like Arnel does Journey. Although I enjoyed The Storm, Loved Augeri's tenure and JSS could have given them Van Hagar status.

Revelation rode the wave of Arnels story, Walmrts participation, the Sopranos and the inclusion of the the redone Dirty dozen.. Eclipse is quite literally the worst selling Journey record ever.

For the most part they aren't even playing Revelation or Eclipse material in their sets anymore..

I like Arnel.. but he hasn't delivered anything on par with Jeff Scott Soto, or Mickey Thomas.. hence my reference to him being closer to Chalfant..

he hasn't shown me anything as a singer.. other than power and range.. and there's a lot more to singing than that.

First of all, Eclipse is not the worst selling Journey album. Secondly, how well it sold doesn't speak to its quality.

It's a damn shame they stopped playing anything "new" or "new-ISH" and I don't like it one bit. They stood apart from their peers even without Perry because they still created. That has to continue.

And remember...I'm the one who brought up they should have replaced Perry with Thomas in '84...so I am a fan. Also, I'm far more interested in anything those 3 have done or will do solo than Arnel. I just think Arnel is the best to front Journey.

[Don]

For the record, Eclipse is the "second" worse selling full length original album in the Journey catalog. Generations is first. That includes the pre-Perry albums also.

[Don]

Mickey Thomas has averaged 50 shows a year or more since forever. I don't think touring is a problem for the guy. He is singing in his natural range. Granted, when I saw him open for Foreigner a few years ago, he sounded more like Escape era Perry, than a young Mickey Thomas, the guy still has great pipes and doesn't seem to be straining at all.

[slucero]

damn double post

[slucero]

your exact words were

Arnel is the most talented of them all.

Non of what you posted has anything to do with tour schedules.. or attendance.

Then I clarified "for the Journey catalog". And I stand by that. Chalfant, Augeri and JSS cannot do Journey like Arnel does Journey. Although I enjoyed The Storm, Loved Augeri's tenure and JSS could have given them Van Hagar status.

Arnel is a great replacement singer for JSS... no doubt. Just as Augeri for Perry.... apparently "good enough" for the 8 years he was their frontman.. to keep the band and crew on the road and paid..

Without Augeri there would be no Journey today... and Arnel would still be singing in the bars in Asia

Revelation rode the wave of Arnels story, Walmrts participation, the Sopranos and the inclusion of the the redone Dirty dozen.. Eclipse is quite literally the worst selling Journey record ever.

For the most part they aren't even playing Revelation or Eclipse material in their sets anymore..

I like Arnel.. but he hasn't delivered anything on par with Jeff Scott Soto, or Mickey Thomas.. hence my reference to him being closer to Chalfant..

he hasn't shown me anything as a singer.. other than power and range.. and there's a lot more to singing than that.

First of all, Eclipse is not the worst selling Journey album. Secondly, how well it sold doesn't speak to its quality.

It's a damn shame they stopped playing anything "new" or "new-ISH" and I don't like it one bit. They stood apart from their peers even without Perry because they still created. That has to continue.

And remember...I'm the one who brought up they should have replaced Perry with Thomas in '84...so I am a fan. Also, I'm far more interested in anything those 3 have done or will do solo than Arnel. I just think Arnel is the best to front Journey.

oops sorry.. 2nd worst selling of all time.. wow.. huge difference..

"speak to quality"??? using that logic then.. Generations.. the worst selling album of all time is a heck of an album quality wise..

Sonically, from a quality perspective, Eclipse is fine... from a quality of songwriting, is-there-anything-that-naturally-screams "hit" perspective..

Nothing.

Which is just as likely why it didn't sell sell well commercially, at all... not even to diehard Journey and/or Melrock fans.. much less fair-weather, only remember Journey for the 80's hits fans..

At this point they aren't creating anything "new".. Revelation wasn't "new".. Eclipse was just Neal being stubborn, wanting to do an album "his way".. and getting teabagged by JC as a result..

The next album they do (and I'm betting they don't) will be Jon's way.. and it will be Escape II.. and Neal will hate it.

This is it.. they are riding the DD into the sunset..

[Don]

Eclipse's legacy will be that it's the only Journey album where one of the band's dominant members (Cain) came out saying that he pretty much expected it to fail and laying the blame at one particular individual. In contrast, as much as ROR is considered to be a Steve Perry solo album and commercial disappointment, Jon never blamed anybody on its sales numbers.

It was Neil [Schon's] 'I wanna do one this way once' — and so we did.And it kinda wasn't received very well here in the States ... and that's kinda what I thought was gonna happen

It's tough. In 2010, Journey was twice as popular than they had been in 2007 with the Sopranos. DSB was on the iTune charts in 24 countries, The Greatest Hits was at #10 on the UK album charts.
With a new album release, Journey was poised to take over the world again... unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

[Gideon]

I listened to The Storm's debut album again last night and I'll stand before God and country and reiterate my praise of Chalfant. Every bit as good as Perry ever was.

unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

No one and I do mean no one can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory quite like Journey.

[STORY_TELLER]

It's tough. In 2010, Journey was twice as popular than they had been in 2007 with the Sopranos. DSB was on the iTune charts in 24 countries, The Greatest Hits was at #10 on the UK album charts.
With a new album release, Journey was poised to take over the world again... unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

I had a theory on this back when Eclipse opened to poor sales:
Fuzzy math aside, Revelation sold gangbusters, right? The people who bought that disk were treated to a re-record of the GH's, a DVD concert, and an album of "new" original music.

It is presumed a great deal of the sales of that album were due to Arnel's heart warming discovery story coupled with an influx of Filipino support for their countryman.

Did it not occur to anyone that maybe, the same people who bought Revelation, heard Arnel on the new material, and simply didn't care for it? They're happy to go hear him touring the Perry era songs, because he sings them well, but they aren't supporting his new music with the band because there's just NO magic there. I don't think we'll ever see Revelation numbers on new material without an advertised return of Perry in the mix (this will never happen of course).

I suspect that disinterest is reflected in the sales figures of Eclipse.

[Don]

I listened to The Storm's debut album again last night and I'll stand before God and country and reiterate my praise of Chalfant. Every bit as good as Perry ever was.

unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

No one and I do mean no one can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory quite like Journey.

You should query Jon and Neal on that. They were the decision makers at that time (and in 1998).

[Don]

It's tough. In 2010, Journey was twice as popular than they had been in 2007 with the Sopranos. DSB was on the iTune charts in 24 countries, The Greatest Hits was at #10 on the UK album charts.
With a new album release, Journey was poised to take over the world again... unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

I had a theory on this back when Eclipse opened to poor sales:
Fuzzy math aside, Revelation sold gangbusters, right? The people who bought that disk were treated to a re-record of the GH's, a DVD concert, and an album of "new" original music.

It is presumed a great deal of the sales of that album were due to Arnel's heart warming discovery story coupled with an influx of Filipino support for their countryman.

Did it not occur to anyone that maybe, the same people who bought Revelation, heard Arnel on the new material, and simply didn't care for it? They're happy to go hear him touring the Perry era songs, because he sings them well, but they aren't supporting his new music with the band because there's just NO magic there. I don't think we'll ever see Revelation numbers on new material without an advertised return of Perry in the mix (this will never happen of course).

I suspect that disinterest is reflected in the sales figures of Eclipse.

Would it be a giant leap of retail logic to think that if Journey had released a live album instead (perhaps the Manila Show) that it may have outsold Eclipse handedly, perhaps even at 2 to 1 numbers?

[Gideon]

I listened to The Storm's debut album again last night and I'll stand before God and country and reiterate my praise of Chalfant. Every bit as good as Perry ever was.

unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

No one and I do mean no one can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory quite like Journey.

You should query Jon and Neal on that. They were the decision makers at that time (and in 1998).

That's the problem, in a nutshell.

[STORY_TELLER]

It's tough. In 2010, Journey was twice as popular than they had been in 2007 with the Sopranos. DSB was on the iTune charts in 24 countries, The Greatest Hits was at #10 on the UK album charts.
With a new album release, Journey was poised to take over the world again... unless they could figure out a way to screw it up.

I had a theory on this back when Eclipse opened to poor sales:
Fuzzy math aside, Revelation sold gangbusters, right? The people who bought that disk were treated to a re-record of the GH's, a DVD concert, and an album of "new" original music.

It is presumed a great deal of the sales of that album were due to Arnel's heart warming discovery story coupled with an influx of Filipino support for their countryman.

Did it not occur to anyone that maybe, the same people who bought Revelation, heard Arnel on the new material, and simply didn't care for it? They're happy to go hear him touring the Perry era songs, because he sings them well, but they aren't supporting his new music with the band because there's just NO magic there. I don't think we'll ever see Revelation numbers on new material without an advertised return of Perry in the mix (this will never happen of course).

I suspect that disinterest is reflected in the sales figures of Eclipse.

Would it be a giant leap of retail logic to think that if Journey had released a live album instead (perhaps the Manila Show) that it may have outsold Eclipse handedly, perhaps even at 2 to 1 numbers?

If it was a live album of greatest hits, then yes, that's a no-brainer. Journey's cash cow has and always will be the Perry era catalog. Eclipse is new music without Perry. I think if you had a repeat of the "legacy sound" on Eclipse, it still would have sold what it did, because not many people are interested in new music from Journey without Perry there (TBF sold platinum without a tour after a more than 10 year hiatus).

[Don]

The Manila DVD has sold 156,000 copies so I would assume that A CD version of it would have sold at least twice as much. Anything that allowed you to put "DSB" on the cover sticker was instant gold at that time.
Not sure about now though.

[tater1977]

Don

You may have posted it before..But any idea of what GH2 has sold up to now?

[Don]

Don

You may have posted it before..But any idea of what GH2 has sold up to now?

As it's been bundled with the original Greatest Hits album now, I really don't know; I think the Double album set has sold around 35k and the stand alone product 15k. Hard to tell.

That double album set is basically the same as Essential Journey 3.0 which is still selling well so who knows. Sony's Journey catalog as a whole is still selling very well (perhaps 150k in sales so far in 2013?) so there is a bit of sales cannibalization going on there.

[tater1977]

Don

You may have posted it before..But any idea of what GH2 has sold up to now?

As it's been bundled with the original Greatest Hits album now, I really don't know; I think the Double album set has sold around 35k and the stand alone product 15k. Hard to tell.

That double album set is basically the same as Essential Journey 3.0 which is still selling well so who knows. Sony's Journey catalog as a whole is still selling very well (perhaps 150k in sales so far in 2013?) so there is a bit of sales cannibalization going on there.

Was just sitting here, putting together a new kitchen table & chairs ..playing GH2...
and wondered how it had done in the market..
Thanks

[Arkansas]

The biggest in a long, sordid history of mistakes was not recruiting Chalfant back in the early 90s. Great talent, spectacular voice, on par with prime!Perry IMHO.

While I know you'll disagree with me on this, Gideon, I'd expand this by saying the biggest mistake in Journey's history was both not recruiting Chalfant and picking Jonathan Cain over Gregg Rolie in the 90s. I sincerely think that if Journey had moved forward in the early-to-mid Nineties with the line-up of Chalfant, Schon, Rolie, Valory and Smith under Herbie's management, the band would have had better success overall with new Journey albums in the long run and probably wouldn't be caught in this ongoing rut of "we're gonna go for the Journey legacy sound, now we're gonna experiment and play stuff we want to play."

Always thought there was room for both Cain and Rolie...when Cain plays guitar, and when not, piano and the B3.
I used to post on Backtalk years ago - "Get Chalfant. Bring back Rolie. Make Journey a 6-piece."
I think it could still work today.


later~

[Gideon]

The biggest in a long, sordid history of mistakes was not recruiting Chalfant back in the early 90s. Great talent, spectacular voice, on par with prime!Perry IMHO.

While I know you'll disagree with me on this, Gideon, I'd expand this by saying the biggest mistake in Journey's history was both not recruiting Chalfant and picking Jonathan Cain over Gregg Rolie in the 90s. I sincerely think that if Journey had moved forward in the early-to-mid Nineties with the line-up of Chalfant, Schon, Rolie, Valory and Smith under Herbie's management, the band would have had better success overall with new Journey albums in the long run and probably wouldn't be caught in this ongoing rut of "we're gonna go for the Journey legacy sound, now we're gonna experiment and play stuff we want to play."

Always thought there was room for both Cain and Rolie...when Cain plays guitar, and when not, piano and the B3.
I used to post on Backtalk years ago - "Get Chalfant. Bring back Rolie. Make Journey a 6-piece."
I think it could still work today.


later~

Not sure Chalfant could pull it off a rigorous tour at his age. He said he and his old lady have been wed for almost 40 years. He's late '50s at best.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Eclipse is fine... from a quality of songwriting, is-there-anything-that-naturally-screams "hit" perspective..

Nothing.

This is the same argument zealot Perry fans used when "Arrival" flopped. It was crap then, it's crap now. "Remember Me", "Higher Place", and "The Place in Your Heart" were about as commercial and as slick as Journey has ever sounded. To me, they sure sounded like bonafide hits from a different era. Guess what? They moved about as many units as a William Hung Gregorian Chant cd. Likewise, Eclipse bombed, but "Anything Is Possible" or "Someone" could've just as easily been radio-charting Revelation tracks.

[Don]

Anything Is Possible spent 8 weeks on the A/C chart, peaking at #21. It's a shame that Journey felt songs like La Do Da deserved set-list time while the only Eclipse track with a pulse never got a sniff at being played live.