Gun Debate

[iceberg]

http://www.renegaderadio.net/radio/inde ... ill-people

my views.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I've got a friend who lives in Seattle and went to a gun buy back that was happening there recently. He didn't go there to bring a gun, he went there to buy. I'm sure most of you may have heard about this buy back that went wrong, it turned into more of a gun show. But my friend said something that was very interesting, which was, out of all the saps that brought in guns to get $100 and $200 gift cards, none were gang bangers. All who brought in guns were law abiding citizens. Basically the only people turning in guns are the ones not committing the shootings and/or crimes committed with guns.

To me anyways, these buy back programs are just a way to disarm law abiding citizens, does nothing to help the real problem, only helps the gang bangers and thugs so they don't get shot back at when doing their crimes.

[Boomchild]

So, I have seen responses to anti-gun posts here that state that the message should be about gun education and gun safety. Would it be agreeable that in order to obtain a gun permit you have to complete some sort of gun operation and safety course?

[Rick]

So, I have seen responses to anti-gun posts here that state that the message should be about gun education and gun safety. Would it be agreeable that in order to obtain a gun permit you have to complete some sort of gun operation and safety course?

You have to have a license to drive a car, because they can be deadly if you haven't been trained properly how to operate it. I think that should definitely go for guns as well.

[Boomchild]

So it looks like even legislators can't be trusted with fire arms. Looks like they need to consider banning things to protect themselves from their own problems.

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pr ... _shot.html

[Gideon]

So, I have seen responses to anti-gun posts here that state that the message should be about gun education and gun safety. Would it be agreeable that in order to obtain a gun permit you have to complete some sort of gun operation and safety course?

You have to have a license to drive a car, because they can be deadly if you haven't been trained properly how to operate it. I think that should definitely go for guns as well.

This.

[slucero]

So, I have seen responses to anti-gun posts here that state that the message should be about gun education and gun safety. Would it be agreeable that in order to obtain a gun permit you have to complete some sort of gun operation and safety course?

You have to have a license to drive a car, because they can be deadly if you haven't been trained properly how to operate it. I think that should definitely go for guns as well.

This.

There is no problem with gun training.... even the NRA supports that.... its why most law abiding gun owners are also trained, because they take gun ownership seriously..... yet the mass murderers... the ones who take KILLING seriously, aren't.

What isn't OK.. is a gun registry, because the Federal government has no business knowing who has a gun... local LE knowing is fine..

Hell even CANADA got rid of their long gun registry last year...



One thing is for certain... until the Federal government re-funds locking up mentally disturbed people, INSTEAD of defunding mental wards at the behest of the Billion Dollar Pharma industry... so they can instead released to be medicated with big Pharma's psychotropic drugs that have not had any real long term human testing, yet enriching Big Pharma to the tune of Billions yearly...

.. there will continue to be mass killings by mentally unstable people.. with guns, cars, knives, hammers, dildo's... etc...




In related news...

http://news.yahoo.com/giffords-husband- ... 12905.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The daughter of former astronaut Mark Kelly was walking her dog Shiner on Goff Island Beach when the dog bolted, ripping the leash from her hand and fatally attacking a beached baby sea lion.

Video showed the owner and two other women struggling several minutes in vain to pull the dog off the sea lion. As his daughter screamed and cried, Kelly arrived and grabbed the collar. He shook the dog's head until it released the bloodied mammal, which later died.

Kelly is married to former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was wounded in a shooting in Tucson, Ariz., in 2011. His daughters, Claudia and Claire, are from a previous marriage.

Several people suggested on his Facebook page Tuesday that background checks might also be considered for dogs whose owners can't control them or those that are a threat to the public.

[Boomchild]

http://news.yahoo.com/giffords-husband- ... 12905.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The daughter of former astronaut Mark Kelly was walking her dog Shiner on Goff Island Beach when the dog bolted, ripping the leash from her hand and fatally attacking a beached baby sea lion.

Video showed the owner and two other women struggling several minutes in vain to pull the dog off the sea lion. As his daughter screamed and cried, Kelly arrived and grabbed the collar. He shook the dog's head until it released the bloodied mammal, which later died.

Kelly is married to former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was wounded in a shooting in Tucson, Ariz., in 2011. His daughters, Claudia and Claire, are from a previous marriage.

Several people suggested on his Facebook page Tuesday that background checks might also be considered for dogs whose owners can't control them or those that are a threat to the public.

This would only apply to those canines that wish to own a fire arm.

[Boomchild]

I am not in favor of changing our current gun laws but, this kind of tragic event does not bode well for legal gun owners. One of the shocking points of this story is that the parents or guardians of the 4yr old that got the rifle were home at the time. I certainly hope that the authorities throw the book at them for having loaded firearms in reach of a child. Something tells me that maybe the child should be removed from the home as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... olice-say/

[The Sushi Hunter]

Notice how they want to remove guns so they are not used in criminal activity by criminals, thugs, and gangbangers but the only people who bring guns in to the cash for guns programs are law abiding citizens? I know if I was planning to use a gun in a crime, I'd be loving these cash for guns programs. Make my crime activities a whole lot safer and easier....for me.

[Boomchild]

Notice how they want to remove guns so they are not used in criminal activity by criminals, thugs, and gangbangers but the only people who bring guns in to the cash for guns programs are law abiding citizens? I know if I was planning to use a gun in a crime, I'd be loving these cash for guns programs. Make my crime activities a whole lot safer and easier....for me.

I am not so sure that is a 100% accurate statement. I have seen\heard interviews with police officers that have been involved in and present at some of these programs. According to the interviews the police officers (PA\NJ) state that they do have criminals or people that have had a criminal past turn them in. The officers state that they know this because they recognize them from previous run ins with them. That said, I would think the percentage of them doing so is low.

[Boomchild]

"No one wants to take away your right to own firearms, that's just crazy talk". Yeah right. This looks like a different picture to me, how about you?

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-yor ... z2QAjk6weZ

[slucero]

and lo and behold, right on cue and conveniently just before the Senate debate on gun control..

The TV show Glee tonight is about a school shooter..

[steveo777]

"No one wants to take away your right to own firearms, that's just crazy talk". Yeah right. This looks like a different picture to me, how about you?

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-yor ... z2QAjk6weZ

I read that article earlier today. Apparently your medical records, which should be held private are not. So much for HIPPA! So let me get this straight, the governent can violate HIPPA and our 2,4 & 5th ammendment rights. Looks like our administration is really defending our constitution and upholding our rights......not.

[AR]

[slucero]

excellent video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 8WLXhahw_A

[The Sushi Hunter]

I agree, excellent. Wonder if this guy coming out taking about this after being in the field that he's in and involved with who he's involved with will cause him to take heat for "discussing" information and basically making "them" look bad. I know when I was involved in certain "things" while serving in the military, I had to sign an agreement before getting involved in them and then separating from the military I had to sign anogher agreement that I wasn't allowed to "talk" about specifics or even pass on information in any forms "drawings, literature, etc. etc.". Regardless, very good points this guy makes.

[Boomchild]

I think no matter what angle you look at how our law makers are trying to push forward these restrictions, they are aiming for one thing. To eliminate U.S. citizens form owning firearms or at the very least have a drastic reduction in the number of citizens owning them. They will start by circumventing the 2nd amendment, like they are attempting to do now. Then when people get used to those new laws and find that it has no effect on reducing what it was intended to , they'll call for more restrictions and regulations. Finally it will come down to where they will convince enough citizens that the 2nd amendment itself needs to be changed or repealed.

[slucero]

I think no matter what angle you look at how our law makers are trying to push forward these restrictions, they are aiming for one thing. To eliminate U.S. citizens form owning firearms or at the very least have a drastic reduction in the number of citizens owning them. They will start by circumventing the 2nd amendment, like they are attempting to do now. Then when people get used to those new laws and find that it has no effect on reducing what it was intended to , they'll call for more restrictions and regulations. Finally it will come down to where they will convince enough citizens that the 2nd amendment itself needs to be changed or repealed.

as much as I'd agree with your premise.. I think its literally going to be impossible to institute gun registration or confiscation.. especially considering how much resistance to it there is.. and the sheer number of guns in the U.S.

Don't forget an Amendment to the Constitution requires three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States) to ratify it.

[Boomchild]

as much as I'd agree with your premise.. I think its literally going to be impossible to institute gun registration or confiscation.. especially considering how much resistance to it there is.. and the sheer number of guns in the U.S.

Don't forget an Amendment to the Constitution requires three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States) to ratify it.

I certainly can see your point as well. I don't think this is something that will occur rapidly. I think it will be little changes over a long period of time that at some point their will be enough people conditioned to the idea. We can already see how in our school environments they are starting to create a fear and overall negative tone about guns in general. Additionally, there seems to be an approach by educators that we need to change the constitution or move away from it. I read a story the other day where a father in FL was looking over some of the school work his 4yr old son brought home. One of the papers he had a sentence written on it that read "I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer and more secure". When the father investigated how this came about, he found that a lawyer was speaking to his child's class about the Bill of Rights. After the presentation, the class teacher had the students write this sentence down in an exercise. When the father confronted the school about it, they claimed the lawyer did it and then that his son did it of his own free will. Some how I doubt that a 4yr would come up with a statement like that all on his own. So I think over time things like this are possible when you start indoctrinating those ideas at an early age.

[slucero]

as much as I'd agree with your premise.. I think its literally going to be impossible to institute gun registration or confiscation.. especially considering how much resistance to it there is.. and the sheer number of guns in the U.S.

Don't forget an Amendment to the Constitution requires three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States) to ratify it.

I certainly can see your point as well. I don't think this is something that will occur rapidly. I think it will be little changes over a long period of time that at some point their will be enough people conditioned to the idea. We can already see how in our school environments they are starting to create a fear and overall negative tone about guns in general. Additionally, there seems to be an approach by educators that we need to change the constitution or move away from it. I read a story the other day where a father in FL was looking over some of the school work his 4yr old son brought home. One of the papers he had a sentence written on it that read "I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer and more secure". When the father investigated how this came about, he found that a lawyer was speaking to his child's class about the Bill of Rights. After the presentation, the class teacher had the students write this sentence down in an exercise. When the father confronted the school about it, they claimed the lawyer did it and then that his son did it of his own free will. Some how I doubt that a 4yr would come up with a statement like that all on his own. So I think over time things like this are possible when you start indoctrinating those ideas at an early age.

yup read that too..

This has been going on for decades.... liberalism in the school systems goes back to the 1960's....

Civic is no longer part of most school curriculum.

College economics is largely a course in Keynesianism..

The pluralism of the word "democracy" and how it has come to be believed to represent what this country is (a democracy) is a good example. EVen though there is no mention of the word "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution... and for good reason.

[conversationpc]

Don't forget an Amendment to the Constitution requires three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States) to ratify it.

That'll never happen...That's why the anti-2nd Amendment folks are trying to find other ways to take care of it, i.e. buying up loads of ammo to drive up the prices, making it difficult for gun manufacturers to do business, and other regulations that never even see a congressional vote.

[Boomchild]

yup read that too..

This has been going on for decades.... liberalism in the school systems goes back to the 1960's....

Civic is no longer part of most school curriculum.

College economics is largely a course in Keynesianism..

The pluralism of the word "democracy" and how it has come to be believed to represent what this country is (a democracy) is a good example. EVen though there is no mention of the word "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution... and for good reason.

What's more disturbing is that it seems they are putting more and more of these liberal and socialistic ideas into what's being taught. The governments push for programs such as "common core" also referred to as "C Scope" in Texas.
They twist things such as making the Boston Tea Party into an act of terrorism, having students design a flag for a make believe socialistic country. A researcher did a study of nine different social studies\history textbooks and found that they only had one paragraph discussing Abraham Lincoln but had chapters dedicated to Bill Clinton.

[Boomchild]

Don't forget an Amendment to the Constitution requires three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States) to ratify it.

That'll never happen...That's why the anti-2nd Amendment folks are trying to find other ways to take care of it, i.e. buying up loads of ammo to drive up the prices, making it difficult for gun manufacturers to do business, and other regulations that never even see a congressional vote.

I think it's best to say "Never Say Never". If you told people a few decades ago there would come a day were a politician would be able to pass laws banning the sale of certain size soft drinks or salt shakers on restaurant tables, people would have thought you were off your rocker.

[verslibre]

Didn't a judge throw it out? The large soft drink ban?

Salt shakers? Where the fuck was this?

[Boomchild]

Didn't a judge throw it out? The large soft drink ban?

Salt shakers? Where the fuck was this?

Yes a judge did block the enforcement of the soda ban. But, that doesn't change the fact that a lawmaker actually introduced such a law. On the salt thing i don't where my head was at when typing that part. What I meant to say was that a bill in NY was introduced banning restaurants from using salt in preparing food.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The government is just trying to "child proof" this country.

[slucero]

Senate rejects expanded gun background checks
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 955ea2291e

(AP) – 4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate has rejected a bipartisan effort to expand federal background checks to more firearms buyers in a crucial showdown over gun control.

Wednesday's vote was a jarring blow to the drive to curb firearms sparked by December's massacre of children and staff at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. President Barack Obama made broadened background checks the centerpiece of his gun control proposals.

The roll call was also a victory for the National Rifle Association, which opposed the plan as an ineffective infringement on gun rights.

The proposal would have required background checks for all transactions at gun shows and online. Currently they must occur for sales handled by licensed gun dealers.

The system is designed to keep criminals and people with mental problems from getting guns.

Copyright © 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[slucero]

LMAO..


Obama says "Opponents 'willfully lied'"... as if he hasn't on any issue.. like the promises he made, campaigned on.. then simply did not follow through on..

[Archetype]

Buy from any licensed dealer in the country and you already have to fill out form 4473 and go through a background check. Online sales already have to be handled by a dealer (you buy the gun online, it must ship to a local dealer for you to pick it up like you bought it from there originally) and the vast majority of states already prohibit private sales at gun shows. This "expanded background check" bullshit is just so the politicians can pat themselves on the back and say they care. So glad it failed.