Boston Explosion

[Ehwmatt]

While I agree with 99 percent of what you said, can we not leave the THREE year old out of it? She isn't responsible for her parent's actions. She is going to be WRONGLY tarnished enough by this as it is.

No.

[scarygirl]

While I agree with 99 percent of what you said, can we not leave the THREE year old out of it? She isn't responsible for her parent's actions. She is going to be WRONGLY tarnished enough by this as it is.

No.

I thought sins of the father went out with the dark ages....

[Don]

[Boomchild]

The situation with the suspects in this tragic event has got me thinking that now more then ever the government's focus on the illegal immigration issue should be securing our borders. That should be FIRST on the list and then worry about the other details later. According to information released, both suspects entered the U.S. legally. Now just think what is possible with our border areas that are not secure.

[Boomchild]

I am glad they caught one of the suspects. So sorry that Boston is going through all of this.

As to my previous comments, I was simply suggesting that it is wrong to trust government simply because they are government, democratic or not. Since governments are run by flawed men, it is best to keep them on their toes. The right to question the actions of our ELECTED leaders is not something to be taken lightly. Always question!!! On a personal note, I don't take any grievous harm from any comments made toward me. Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has them.

I think this is a very valid point. It's seems to me that with B.O. in office there seems to be more of an opinion not to question or how dare you question what the government is doing. I don't know if it's due to this false sense that B.O. gives that he is not your run of the mill and politician and that nothing he has done has impacted this nation negatively or what.

[steveo777]

The situation with the suspects in this tragic event has got me thinking that now more then ever the government's focus on the illegal immigration issue should be securing our borders. That should be FIRST on the list and then worry about the other details later. According to information released, both suspects entered the U.S. legally. Now just think what is possible with our border areas that are not secure.

Usually south of the border immigrants aren't Muslim extremists. I agree we need better control - quit importing people of a belief that America should be destroyed, namely Muslims.

[JRNYMAN]

The situation with the suspects in this tragic event has got me thinking that now more then ever the government's focus on the illegal immigration issue should be securing our borders. That should be FIRST on the list and then worry about the other details later. According to information released, both suspects entered the U.S. legally. Now just think what is possible with our border areas that are not secure.

Usually south of the border immigrants aren't Muslim extremists. I agree we need better control - quit importing people of a belief that America should be destroyed, namely Muslims.

Steve, you and I have witnessed firsthand and have discussed at length how broken and flawed our borders are as a result of a federal government who isn't concerned enough about the situation to even attempt to slow, let alone stop the DAILY flow of illegals pouring into our country. Illegals who are bleeding the system dry with everything we make available to them. And even though I have a front row seat to how out of control the situation has become and the subsequent crimes committed by these vermin who begin their new life in America by breaking a federal law, I agree with you that the govt. needs to take a long hard look at the very individuals you cited in your post.
It's no secret that these religious fanatics who kill in the name of Allah (sp?) have no appreciation or concern for human life - especially their own - because of what they believe will be waiting for them in heaven if they die as a martyr. These people HATE us on a level we Americans can't begin to understand. Hate us so much they want to kill us and are happy to die in their pursuit of accomplishing their goal which they chant daily: Death to America!
My daughter and I were talking about this subject earlier this evening. We use the word "hate" far more loosely and place far less meaning o it than those people. And while we know this is true as evidenced by the countless attacks on Americans both here and abroad, the government still engages in diplomatic relations with the leaders of the countries where these extremist pigs live and breathe. Why? And why do we continue to allow these maggots into our country? What is it they provide that's so enormously beneficial to us that we're willing to set aside the fact that they come from a place where religion and religious beliefs dictate their laws and the government that enforces those laws. I'll answer my own question: NOTHING!! They don't bring a God damned thing to the table that we need or even want.
Walking out of the grocery store today my wife and I passed a Muslin couple and their little boy walking in. The woman was covered from head to toe with the white scarf wrapped around her head and the only skin showing was her face. The husband and boy, on the other hand, both were wearing cargo shorts, tank tops and sandals. What kind of God/religion mandates that women don't have the same rights as a man. Now, it was a very nice, mild day here in the Valley of the Sun - the high was only 89 with a slight breeze and sunny. These women have to dress like that every day of the year - no matter if it's 50 or 120 deg. outside. And you see them all the time going about their day with their kids in tow - the boys dressed appropriately for the weather and the little girls dressed just like mommy with long pants, closed toed shoes, long sleeved shirts and of course the white scarf wrapped around their heads.
Muslims and especially Muslim extremists are in a completely different world than we are as Westerners. Our cultures are completely different and no matter how hard we try to bridge the gap and to aide the countries where most of the Muslimworld lives whether the aid is of a humanitarian nature or if it's fighting alongside them on the front-lines of their war. The beliefs and the battles in which they engage are centuries, millenniums old. Nothing we will ever do will ever change their beliefs including the belief they have of us as infidels.

[Boomchild]

The situation with the suspects in this tragic event has got me thinking that now more then ever the government's focus on the illegal immigration issue should be securing our borders. That should be FIRST on the list and then worry about the other details later. According to information released, both suspects entered the U.S. legally. Now just think what is possible with our border areas that are not secure.

Usually south of the border immigrants aren't Muslim extremists. I agree we need better control - quit importing people of a belief that America should be destroyed, namely Muslims.

That's a given. However, I am sure that terrorists of all kinds are well aware of this weakness and plan to or already have taken advantage of it. Maybe it doesn't matter at all since we seem to allow these radicals in legally and even grant citizenship as was the case with these two pieces of shit in Boston.

[tater1977]

Doctor: Dead bomb suspect had wounds 'head to toe'

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE

http://news.yahoo.com/doctor-dead-bomb- ... 18003.html

BOSTON (AP) — A doctor involved in treating the Boston Marathon bombing suspect who died in a gunbattle with police says he had injuries head to toe and all limbs intact when he arrived at the hospital.

Dr. David Schoenfeld said 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev was unconscious and had so many penetrating wounds when he arrived at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center early Friday that it isn't clear which ones killed him, and a medical examiner will have to determine the cause of death.

The second bombing suspect, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, was in serious condition at the same hospital after his capture Friday night. The FBI has not allowed hospital officials to say any more about his wounds or condition.

Schoenfeld lives in the Boston suburb of Watertown and heard explosions from the shootout between the two brothers and police early Friday. He called the hospital to alert staff they likely would be getting injured people, then rushed in to coordinate preparations.

"We had three or four trauma teams in different rooms set up and ready," unsure of whether they would be treating a bombing suspect, injured police or bystanders, Schoenfeld said.

The older Tsarnaev's clothes had been cut off by emergency responders at the scene, so if he had been wearing a vest with explosives, he wasn't by the time he arrived at the hospital, the doctor said.

"From head to toe, every region of his body had injuries," he said. "His legs and arms were intact — he wasn't blown into a million pieces" — but he lost a pulse and was in cardiac arrest, meaning his heart and circulation had stopped, so CPR, or cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, was started.

Schoenfeld did not address police's assertion that Tsarnaev was run over by a car driven by his brother as he fled the gunfire.

The doctor said he couldn't discuss specific treatments in the case except to say what is usually done in such circumstances, including putting a needle in the chest to relieve pressure that can damage blood vessels, and cutting open the chest and using rib-spreaders to let doctors drain blood in the sac around the heart that can put pressure on the heart and keep it from beating.

"Once you've done all of those things ... if they don't respond there's really nothing you can do. You've exhausted the playbook," he said.

After 15 minutes of unsuccessful treatment, doctors pronounced him dead.

"We did everything we could" to try to save his life, Schoenfeld said.

How did the medical team react to treating the bombing suspect?

"There was some discussion in the emergency room about who it was. That discussion ended pretty quickly," Schoenfeld said. "It really doesn't matter who the person is. We're going to treat them as best we can."

[Rick]

While I agree with 99 percent of what you said, can we not leave the THREE year old out of it? She isn't responsible for her parent's actions. She is going to be WRONGLY tarnished enough by this as it is.

No.

I thought sins of the father went out with the dark ages....

That 3 year old's name has probably already and permanently been added to the terrorist watch list. But in a situation like this, you simply can't not add it.

[trekman]

Hezbollah, Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood. They all have a presence in South America. They DO regularly cross the border with their drug smuggler partners. President Obama, Secretary Napolitano, and the Attorney General keep trying to tell the American public the border is as safe as ever, but this committee's report is more evidence against that claim. America's enemies are literally in her backyard. The U.S. Government knows All about it. And their policies for immigration allow more to enter America daily. Not challenged. This is just one report, there are many.The bias and controlled MSM write very little about it. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... in-America

And because the Obama administration is so Muslim Friendly this has happened and they do Nothing about it!! http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/381953/ They ARE Here.

[slucero]

Trying to figure out how this quotation, which also is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the fucking Statue of Liberty....

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
~ Benjamin Franklin

... can in any way shape or form..., jive with this:

Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes

WATERTOWN, MA -- On Friday, April 19, 2013, during a manhunt for a bombing suspect, police and federal agents spent the day storming people's homes and performing illegal searches. While it was unclear initially if the home searches were voluntary, it is now crystal clear that they were absolutely NOT voluntary. Police were filmed ripping people from their homes at gunpoint, marching the residents out with their hands raised in submission, and then storming the homes to perform their illegal searches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... LrbsUVSVl8

This was part of a larger operation that involved total lockdown of the suburban neighbor to Boston. Roads were barricaded and vehicle traffic was prohibited. A No-Fly Zone was declared over the town. People were "ordered" to stay indoors. Businesses were told not to open. National Guard soldiers helped with the lockdown, and were photographed checking IDs of pedestrians on the streets. All the while, police were performing these disgusting house-to-house searches.

I get there are "extenuating circumstances"... that is what martial law (which suspends some of civil law) is for.. but in this case martial law was not declared.... yet unwarranted search happened.

[Ehwmatt]

Trying to figure out how this quotation, which also is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the fucking Statue of Liberty....

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
~ Benjamin Franklin

... can in any way shape or form..., jive with this:

Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes

WATERTOWN, MA -- On Friday, April 19, 2013, during a manhunt for a bombing suspect, police and federal agents spent the day storming people's homes and performing illegal searches. While it was unclear initially if the home searches were voluntary, it is now crystal clear that they were absolutely NOT voluntary. Police were filmed ripping people from their homes at gunpoint, marching the residents out with their hands raised in submission, and then storming the homes to perform their illegal searches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... LrbsUVSVl8

This was part of a larger operation that involved total lockdown of the suburban neighbor to Boston. Roads were barricaded and vehicle traffic was prohibited. A No-Fly Zone was declared over the town. People were "ordered" to stay indoors. Businesses were told not to open. National Guard soldiers helped with the lockdown, and were photographed checking IDs of pedestrians on the streets. All the while, police were performing these disgusting house-to-house searches.

I get there are "extenuating circumstances"... that is what martial law (which suspends some of civil law) is for.. but in this case martial law was not declared.... yet unwarranted search happened.

Actually, it's not immediately clear that under these facts, that these searches were "unwarranted" (unless you are using that word quite literally to mean "without a warrant" rather than "unnecessary" or "unprecedented").

In City of Indianapolis v. Redmond, the U.S. Supreme Court noted (albeit in dicta) that the Fourth Amendment would "almost certainly permit an appropriately tailored roadblock set up to thwart an imminent terrorist attack or to catch a dangerous criminal who is likely to flee by way of a particular route.” (http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case? ... s_sdt=2,36 ). Now, that was before 9/11 (2000, to be precise). So that sentiment would almost certainly be even stronger today. Along those lines, the US District Court for the District of Colorado last year held in US v. Paetsch that a dragnet roadblock at an intersection to catch a bank robbery suspect was reasonable under the Fourth Amendment (in other words, no warrant needed) (http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/20 ... ragnet.pdf).

The fact is there really aren't ANY cases anywhere in the country applying the Fourth Amendment to home searches like these. And the fact is that I'll bet you'd be hard-pressed to find a single resident in Watertown whose home was searched that would have objected to their home being searched in this situation. They were scared shitless. And part of the Fourth Amendment calculus is whether the police action at issue violated (1) society's reasonable expectation (an objective analysis) and (2) the individual person's subjective expectation of privacy. So if society expects that police will have leeway to do this shit in the heat of an imminent terrorist attack (which courts, including the SCoTUS have shown an inclination to so hold) and/or the individual at issue subjectively expects/wants police to do so, there's no Fourth Amendment violation. Of course, all that is subject to the whim of a court applying the test to particular facts.

Anyway, civil libertarian ideologues will find these searches abhorrent (me personally, I'm more concerned about the terrorists seeing one 19-year-old punk clear out a major AMerican city and cost $300+ million in the process). But simply put, legally speaking, this was unprecedented territory and not clearly "illegal" under the Fourth Amendment.

[slucero]

I get your point.. and for the most part agree... but certainly its a stretch to assume "dragnet/roadblock equals warrant-less search"... especially considering the attack had already occurred. There clearly is danger in simply always assuming a terrorist attack is always "imminent" to validate the action.

I'm concerned about both... the cost of, and the bending of the rule/spirit of the law.

[Ehwmatt]

I get your point.. and for the most part agree... but certainly its a stretch to assume "dragnet/roadblock equals warrant-less search"... especially considering the attack had already occurred. There clearly is danger in simply always assuming a terrorist attack is always "imminent" to validate the action.

I'm concerned about both... the cost of, and the bending of the rule/spirit of the law.

I hear you. The roadblock cases are really the only cases that are factually anywhere near analogous to this situation... Thankfully. I do think they are illuminating and indicate that such a search might more likely than not be deemed reasonable in such circumstances. Now, whether that violates the spirit of the fourth amendment is a different question from how a federal court would rule. Courts obviously decide points of constitutional law that reasonable Americans disagree with all the time

[slucero]

sluc, I'd guess most residents of that Watertown area were more than happy to have the SWAT dudes check out their property at the time. Do we know if anyone actually affected up in Mass has protested these actions? I haven't heard any except from the bleachers.

I'm just as happy as you that these fuckers were killed and/or caught.

It that still does not make it "right" if protected rights of law-abiding citizens were violated or lawful procedures were simply ignored at the expense of expediency.

[slucero]

I get your point.. and for the most part agree... but certainly its a stretch to assume "dragnet/roadblock equals warrant-less search"... especially considering the attack had already occurred. There clearly is danger in simply always assuming a terrorist attack is always "imminent" to validate the action.

I'm concerned about both... the cost of, and the bending of the rule/spirit of the law.

I hear you. The roadblock cases are really the only cases that are factually anywhere near analogous to this situation... Thankfully. I do think they are illuminating and indicate that such a search might more likely than not be deemed reasonable in such circumstances. Now, whether that violates the spirit of the fourth amendment is a different question from how a federal court would rule. Courts obviously decide points of constitutional law that reasonable Americans disagree with all the time

Agreed.

[Voyager]

Imagine the fate of the lone surviving suspect....

He cannot speak.

He is facing life in solitary at best, death sentence at worst.

Nobody will ever want to associate with him - ever.

His idolized brother is now dead, leaving him aimless and orphaned.

Cops and prison guards will hate and abuse him for killing a cop.

The public will enjoy watching him languish in a lonely, cold, solitary prison cell with no voice - for life.

In other words, this is one hopeless mother fucker.

[tater1977]

Tsarnaev awake and responding in writing

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tsa ... 46539.html

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is awake and "responding sporadically in writing to questions ... about other cell members and other unexploded bombs, " law enforcement sources told ABC News on Sunday evening.

Authorities had been waiting to question the 19-year-old, who is accused of helping to carry out the attack, which killed three people and wounded 180 others, many of them critically, near the finish line of Monday's race.

Earlier Sunday, the FBI said Tsarnaev remains in serious condition at the heavily-guarded Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and a federal official told Yahoo News that Tsarnaev was sedated and unable to speak.

Tsarnaev was brought by ambulance to the facility after he was captured in Watertown, Mass., on Friday, following an intense manhunt that included at least two shootouts with police and ended with the bloodied suspect taken into custody from a tarp-covered boat he had been hiding in. He apparently suffered gunshot wounds to the neck and leg.

Tsarnaev's 26-year-old brother, Tamerlan, the other suspect wanted by the FBI, was killed during a late-night firefight with police in Watertown. Tsarnaev managed to escape on foot, prompting a citywide lockdown as police conducted a house-by-house search for the alleged killer.



The Tsarnaev brothers, who were born in the former Russian territory known as Kyrgyzstan and are of Chechen descent, lived in Cambridge, Mass., for several years. Dzhokhar became a naturalized American citizen last year.

Under U.S. law, authorities have 72 hours after Tsarnaev's arrest to file a criminal complaint against him. When they do, Tsarnaev is expected to face terror charges that could bring the death penalty.

"I hope that the U.S. attorney, Carmen Ortiz, takes him on the federal side and throws the book at him," Boston Mayor Thomas Menino said on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday.

Richard Roper, a former U.S. District Attorney in the Northern District of Texas, told Yahoo News Dzhokhar could be charged in his hospital room.

“Then when he’s better, he can make an appearance in court,” Roper said.



Hours after the FBI made a public plea to help identify the suspects from video and photos at the marathon, the brothers allegedly shot and killed an MIT police officer and wounded a transit cop. Authorities said the pair launched explosives during a dramatic high-speed chase in residential Watertown early Friday.

No motive has been revealed for Monday’s attack.

Immediately after Dzhokhar’s capture, federal prosecutors stirred controversy in legal circles by refusing to grant Dzhokhar his Miranda rights against self-incrimination, citing public safety concerns.

"He is not going to be read the Miranda warnings," ABC News Senior Justice Correspondent Pierre Thomas said Sunday. "They are going to use the Public Safety Exception, and dive in without advising him of his right to remain silent. They are taking this extraordinary step because there could be an imminent threat still out there. ... There's deep, deep concern about the amount of ammunition, guns and working bombs these men had."

Boston Police commissioner Ed Davis told "Fox News Sunday" that the amount of explosives police found suggested that the brothers may have been planning another attack.

"We are hoping, for a host of reasons, that the suspect survives," Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said Saturday. "Because we have a million questions, and those questions need to be answered."

[The Sushi Hunter]

Imagine the fate of the lone surviving suspect....

He cannot speak.

He is facing life in solitary at best, death sentence at worst.

Nobody will ever want to associate with him - ever.

His idolized brother is now dead, leaving him aimless and orphaned.

Cops and prison guards will hate and abuse him for killing a cop.

The public will enjoy watching him languish in a lonely, cold, solitary prison cell with no voice - for life.

In other words, this is one hopeless mother fucker.

He's got his relatives who think he and his brother were "framed" plus some people who have conspiracy theories.

[scarygirl]

Imagine the fate of the lone surviving suspect....

He cannot speak.

He is facing life in solitary at best, death sentence at worst.

Nobody will ever want to associate with him - ever.

His idolized brother is now dead, leaving him aimless and orphaned.

Cops and prison guards will hate and abuse him for killing a cop.

The public will enjoy watching him languish in a lonely, cold, solitary prison cell with no voice - for life.

In other words, this is one hopeless mother fucker.

He's got his relatives who think he and his brother were "framed" plus some people who have conspiracy theories.

I am not being SYMPATHETIC here, but I see the 19 year old's picture and he looks like a normal run of the mill teenager. I just can't imagine what would make an otherwise affable looking kid do that.

[Rick]

Imagine the fate of the lone surviving suspect....

He cannot speak.

He is facing life in solitary at best, death sentence at worst.

Nobody will ever want to associate with him - ever.

His idolized brother is now dead, leaving him aimless and orphaned.

Cops and prison guards will hate and abuse him for killing a cop.

The public will enjoy watching him languish in a lonely, cold, solitary prison cell with no voice - for life.

In other words, this is one hopeless mother fucker.

He's got his relatives who think he and his brother were "framed" plus some people who have conspiracy theories.

I am not being SYMPATHETIC here, but I see the 19 year old's picture and he looks like a normal run of the mill teenager. I just can't imagine what would make an otherwise affable looking kid do that.

I've had those same thoughts. He looks just like my nephew, who's a great kid. Someone fills their head with a bunch of nonsense, and then reinforcing it often enough, I guess it changes their thinking.

[Boomchild]

I am not being SYMPATHETIC here, but I see the 19 year old's picture and he looks like a normal run of the mill teenager. I just can't imagine what would make an otherwise affable looking kid do that.

What is a shame is that he has thrown his life away at such a young age and for what? What they did is not going to change anything except for the victims he's killed and wounded. The other thing that is bugging me is how authorities are stating that these two acted alone. Personally, I find this hard to believe since in the majority of cases these attacks are done by terrorist cells. I saw a report that the Saudi national that was the first person of interest, has shown up on previous terrorist watch lists. That and he had unexplainable burns on his hands. Then there is the case of the brother
of the 19yr old being fingered by a some nation and reported to the FBI which caused them to look into his background and interview him only to clear him.

[slucero]

I am not being SYMPATHETIC here, but I see the 19 year old's picture and he looks like a normal run of the mill teenager. I just can't imagine what would make an otherwise affable looking kid do that.

What is a shame is that he has thrown his life away at such a young age and for what? What they did is not going to change anything except for the victims he's killed and wounded. The other thing that is bugging me is how authorities are stating that these two acted alone. Personally, I find this hard to believe since in the majority of cases these attacks are done by terrorist cells. I saw a report that the Saudi national that was the first person of interest, has shown up on previous terrorist watch lists. That and he had unexplainable burns on his hands. Then there is the case of the brother
of the 19yr old being fingered by a some nation and reported to the FBI which caused them to look into his background and interview him only to clear him.

1st the authorities and experts said the bombs were sophisticated and required training on.. then they said they were convinced they had help and arrested and detained people in that regard... then one of them turns out to be a Saudi who is scheduled to be deported..

then suddenly there are a few "emergency" meetings between the State Dept. and the Saudis, and this suspects deportation is reversed, he's no longer a suspect AND the bombers now acted alone..

wtf..

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah, I'd also agree that these two knuckleheads were not acting alone in this bombing. The FBI and CIA also agree and that's why he's being Interrogated. But you know he and his brother are considered "hero's" to the terrorist groups that hate America. And I'm sure he and his brother's pictures are being featured on terrorist propaganda around the world.

[tater1977]

He's not going to be tried as an "enemy combatant"???
To be tried as an American citizen in our US court system....

Send him to GITMO...
We need a new US atorney.....

[The Sushi Hunter]

Reading today in the news that authorities are now saying these two acted completely alone on this bombing. That's a surprise, imo.

[slucero]

He's not going to be tried as an "enemy combatant"???
To be tried as an American citizen in our US court system....

Send him to GITMO...
We need a new US atorney.....

He's a U.S. citizen... so its a no-go...

I'd rather he was tried as in the civilian courts.. at least then it can be covered.. the military courts would be closed...

[tater1977]

He's not going to be tried as an "enemy combatant"???
To be tried as an American citizen in our US court system....

Send him to GITMO...
We need a new US atorney.....

He's a U.S. citizen... so its a no-go...

I'd rather he was tried as in the civilian courts.. at least then it can be covered.. the military courts would be closed...

But will it be covered? Will the judge allow cameras/reporters in the courtroom...
I just have a feeling somewhere down the road..this guy is going to get off..

[steveo777]

I can't believe all the conspiracy theorists posting on Facebook who think this is a government staged event. Some of them are even posting videos of their "so called" proof, which I won't even bother watching.