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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby slucero » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:39 pm

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tater1977 wrote:He's not going to be tried as an "enemy combatant"??? :shock:
To be tried as an American citizen in our US court system....

Send him to GITMO...
We need a new US atorney..... :roll:



He's a U.S. citizen... so its a no-go...

I'd rather he was tried as in the civilian courts.. at least then it can be covered.. the military courts would be closed...


But will it be covered? Will the judge allow cameras/reporters in the courtroom...
I just have a feeling somewhere down the road..this guy is going to get off..



He's not a Saudi... he's gonna get life or fry.

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Boomchild » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:10 pm

Since he is going to be given his Miranda rights I think we can be pretty sure the Feds aren't going to much information out of him through interrogation. I wonder if some high profile lawyer is going to step up to defend him pro bono since he can't afford one.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby steveo777 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:26 pm

Boomchild wrote:Since he is going to be given his Miranda rights I think we can be pretty sure the Feds aren't going to much information out of him through interrogation. I wonder if some high profile lawyer is going to step up to defend him pro bono since he can't afford one.


Can't see why any good lawyer would want to tarnish his name defending a terrorist.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby tater1977 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:33 pm

Tsarnaev’s condition improves; brothers reportedly motivated by U.S. wars

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tsa ... 32367.html

..By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News


Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev informed investigators that he and his brother were not directed by a foreign terrorist organization. Instead, they were “self-radicalized” and motivated to kill, in part, by U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Washington Post reported.

The 19-year-old also acknowledged his role in the attack while being questioned by investigators in his hospital bed, the report said. Tsarnaev, who has a gunshot wound to the throat and was sedated, responded in writing. He also suffered gunshot wounds in the head, neck, legs and hand during a late-night shootout in Watertown, Mass.

Meanwhile, Tsarnaev's condition is improving, the FBI said on Tuesday. The college student, who had been listed in serious condition at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center since his capture on Friday, is now in fair condition, the bureau said.

The update comes a day after Tsarnaev was charged with two federal counts of using a weapon of mass destruction to kill, injure and cause widespread damage at the marathon. Tsarnaev was informed of the charges and read his rights in his hospital room on Monday morning, and placed in the custody the U.S. Marshal Service. If convicted, he could face the death penalty.

[Related: ‘#FreeJahar’: Support for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev seen on Twitter]

Three people were killed and more than 200 others wounded when two powerful homemade bombs exploded near the race’s finish line. Dzhokhar and his 26-year-old brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed by police as the two attempted to avoid capture, are suspected of planting those bombs.

Tamerlan was an ardent reader of jihadist websites and extremist propaganda, U.S. officials told the Associated Press, suggesting the brothers were motivated by an anti-American, radical version of Islam.

Meanwhile, U.S. investigators traveled to southern Russia on Tuesday to speak to the parents of the brothers, a U.S. Embassy official told the news service. Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of the suspects, and their father, Anzor, are in Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim province in Russia's Caucasus.

After the bombings, Anzor said he believed the brothers were set up and called Dzhokhar a "true angel." Maret Tsarnaeva, the brothers' aunt, who lives in Toronto, also said she believes her nephews were framed.

Family members are not the only ones expressing doubt.

Many Twitter users have been expressing support for Dzhokhar using the hashtag #freejahar.

And just like the conspiracy theorists who claimed last week that the Boston Marathon attacks were staged, the support for Dzhokhar has been fervent despite his reported confession.

A Change.org petition to "guarantee Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the right to a fair trial," addressed to President Barack Obama, has more than 6,000 supporters.

"We believe that within the chaos caused by the Boston Marathon explosion, two young men were wrongfully accused of something they did not do, and one of them has lost his life before even getting the opportunity of a proper trial," Anita Temisheva, the user who launched the petition, wrote. "We do not wish to see blood of yet another innocent victim, someone who, by U.S. law, is innocent until proven guilty. It is vital to end this persecution, as all the conflicting information shown by the media, and footage from the incident, seen by people from all corners of the world, doesn't manifest itself as enough evidence to condemn Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of this heinous crime."
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby tater1977 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:14 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Boomchild wrote:Since he is going to be given his Miranda rights I think we can be pretty sure the Feds aren't going to much information out of him through interrogation. I wonder if some high profile lawyer is going to step up to defend him pro bono since he can't afford one.


Can't see why any good lawyer would want to tarnish his name defending a terrorist.

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His Public Defender is the one who defended the "Underwear Bomber"... Miriam Siefer ...
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:12 am

steveo777 wrote:I can't believe all the conspiracy theorists posting on Facebook who think this is a government staged event. Some of them are even posting videos of their "so called" proof, which I won't even bother watching.


Yeah, lots of mentally sick individuals out there jumping all over this like they did with 9-11.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:11 am

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"Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned," reports the Boston Herald.

"State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.

"In addition, both of Tsarnaev’s parents received benefits, and accused brother bombers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan were recipients through their parents when they were younger, according to the state."


:evil: :evil:


"Transitional assistance benefits"....and some people have to ask why so many immigrants are flooding into this country every day even though America doesn't have enough jobs for everyone. Obviously a portion of every hard working person's tax dollars are going towards this. Appears the older brother was a house husband/sponge, the wife worked 80 hours per week while fuckface stayed home, eventually building bombs with his little brother.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby slucero » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:22 am

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steveo777 wrote:I can't believe all the conspiracy theorists posting on Facebook who think this is a government staged event. Some of them are even posting videos of their "so called" proof, which I won't even bother watching.


Yeah, lots of mentally sick individuals out there jumping all over this like they did with 9-11.



Ya that's a bit weird..

but...

Monday, April 15, 2013 - The 1st suspect "in custody" was a Saudi national, here on a student visa to go to school in Ohio... yet he had an apartment in Boston??? ... he was taken into custody in the hospital the day of the blast... Turns out his name is Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harb, amd...

Tuesday, April 16, 2013
- (the day after the bombing) The National Targeting Center (NTC) Field Watch Commander created an “event file” calling for Al-Harbi’s deportation using Section 212 3b, which is proven terrorist activity. The NTC is the center of the wheel with regards to anti-terrorism information, and the 212 3b designation on the suspects file is only given with unanimous consent of the investigative team.

Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - Secretary of State John Kerry met with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud, and the 1st guys status (the Saudi) was reduced to a "person of interest"

Wednesday, April 17, 2012 - President Obama had a “chance” encounter with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud and Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir.

Wednesday, April 17, 2012 - at 5:35p.m. the event file for Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harb is altered, and the 212 3b removed. He is free to go.


Here is where it gets interesting..
  • A congressional source confirms the file on Alharbi was created, that he was “linked” in some way to the Boston bombings (though it is unclear how), and that documents showing all this have been sent to Congress.
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  • Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) on Capitol Hill, asks Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano about Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harb, and she refuses to comment.
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  • Key congressmen of the Committee on Homeland Security request a classified briefing with Napolitano
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  • Alharbi was allegedly flagged on a terrorist watch list and granted a student visa without being properly vetted. Sources close to the investigation also told him Alharbi is still set for deportation.


So now Congressman Duncan and the House Homeland Security Committee have sent a formal letter of request to Napolitano for a classified briefing on the Saudi national and the deportation order.


WTF??

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:41 am

In regards to the conspiracy theory on this bombing, I think I'm going to stick to eating sushi instead.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby verslibre » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:16 am

That shit still doesn't add up, though.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:53 am

verslibre wrote:That shit still doesn't add up, though.


Conspiracy theories never do except when on some tpye(s) of mind altering substance, including but not limited to someone's own chemical imbalance.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby verslibre » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:22 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
verslibre wrote:That shit still doesn't add up, though.


Conspiracy theories never do except when on some tpye(s) of mind altering substance, including but not limited to someone's own chemical imbalance.


So what's your take on the events above?
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:43 am

verslibre wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
verslibre wrote:That shit still doesn't add up, though.


Conspiracy theories never do except when on some tpye(s) of mind altering substance, including but not limited to someone's own chemical imbalance.


So what's your take on the events above?


I have no take on it, I'm eating sushi.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby slucero » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:51 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
verslibre wrote:That shit still doesn't add up, though.


Conspiracy theories never do except when on some tpye(s) of mind altering substance, including but not limited to someone's own chemical imbalance.



conspiracies are only conspiracies when there is ambiguity regarding the facts...

In this case the facts are clear, and are already out in the open.... its just the unwillingness of some to speak about them (Napolitano, etc.)... that is conspiratorial in nature.

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby verslibre » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:54 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
verslibre wrote:So what's your take on the events above?


I have no take on it, I'm eating sushi.


That either means you don't care or it doesn't make sense to you, either. I'm not razzing you, I'm just sayin'...
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Re: Boston Explosion

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby steveo777 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:50 am

Why hasn't the surviving suspect been charged with Murder?
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:54 am

steveo777 wrote:Why hasn't the surviving suspect been charged with Murder?


I'm sure that's on the way, among other things. Interesting in the news today is the articles about how the parents think their boys were framed.

Common sense - if these two were innocent, why didn't they just turn themselves in? No....they were racing around in a stolen vehicle throwing home made explosives at the police. Sounds like they had absolutely nothing to do with the marathon bombing alright.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby slucero » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:32 am

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weird that this fella, Abdul Rahman Al-Harbi, named a terrorist by the DHS, scheduled for deportation... gets a visit from the First Lady..

and has this card in his possession...

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something stinks.

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Boomchild » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:56 am

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steveo777 wrote:I can't believe all the conspiracy theorists posting on Facebook who think this is a government staged event. Some of them are even posting videos of their "so called" proof, which I won't even bother watching.


Yeah, lots of mentally sick individuals out there jumping all over this like they did with 9-11.


Speaking of theories, reports are surfacing that it's possible the Boston bombers were double agents working for the Feds (or so they thought). Hmm, the Feds identified the suspects and captured them very quickly.

http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The- ... error-trap
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Boomchild » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:04 am

Fact Finder wrote:
"Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned," reports the Boston Herald.

"State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.

"In addition, both of Tsarnaev’s parents received benefits, and accused brother bombers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan were recipients through their parents when they were younger, according to the state."


:evil: :evil:


Isn't this great? Not only do the Feds get tipped off about one of the bombers and interview him prior to this event, the federal government gives them money to live off of while they go about planning their attack. What a great country we live in. Even terrorists don't go hungry. I feel much safer now.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Boomchild » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:05 pm

Fact Finder wrote:It would be nice if either The Officials or The Press could get their story straight..


Although police feared he was heavily armed, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings had no firearms when he came under a barrage of police gunfire that struck the boat where he was hiding, according to multiple federal law enforcement officials.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html


It's also been reported that in the first engagement, the bomber suspects only had one 9mm pistol. It was reported that 200 rounds were fired. Maybe with the new gun laws they are trying to pass they should include bullet capacity limits for law enforcement as well. One could say "You don't need two hundred bullets to stop 2 guys with one pistol".
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Jeremey » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:00 pm

I cannot wait to see what Glenn Beck reveals next!
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Don » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:16 pm

Jeremey wrote:I cannot wait to see what Glenn Beck reveals next!


Forget Glenn Beck, I can't wait to hear what secrets George Noory's guests will unveil tonight on Coast To Coast AM :!:
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby tater1977 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:00 pm

Officials: Suspect stopped talking after Miranda

By RODRIQUE NGOWI, LARA JAKES and KIMBERLY DOZIER | Associated Press

http://news.yahoo.com/officials-suspect ... 58309.html

BOSTON (AP) — The surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings acknowledged to the FBI his role in the attacks but did so before he was advised of his constitutional right to keep quiet and seek a lawyer, U.S. officials said Wednesday.

Once Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was read his rights on Monday, he immediately stopped talking, according to four officials of both political parties who were briefed on the interrogation but insisted on anonymity because the briefing was private.

After roughly 16 hours of questioning, investigators were surprised when a magistrate judge and a representative from the U.S. Attorney's office entered the hospital room and read Tsarnaev his rights, the four officials and one law enforcement official said. Investigators had planned to keep questioning him.

It is unclear whether any of this will matter in court since the FBI says Tsarnaev confessed to a witness and U.S. officials said Wednesday that physical evidence, including a 9 mm handgun and pieces of a remote-control device commonly used in toys, was recovered from the scene.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby slucero » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:43 am

Remember these guys?

Before bombing..

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After Bombing..

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Check out the back packs.. everyone has seen the backpack authorities have cited as the one used.. it has a distinctive white patch on it. Check out this comparison..


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Something else to ponder... Why are both brothers.. post blast.. running away from the blast.. and both still wearing their backpacks??

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:07 am

The parents of these two creeps who did this believe it's a setup conspiracy too.

Those two guys in the pix above may have been accounted for already and who knows, maybe they were part of the marathon organization itself or security for the event? I'm confident the two brothers are the ones responsible for the explosions. Now did they have others helping? That will be left for discovery.

Common sense - if this was a Government setup of some kind, wouldn't authorities have then already known exactly who was responsible and where they were located? The Government did not know who was behind this and so they had to sift through loads of pix and videos, ask help from the public with information such as cell phone pix and video, business surveillance videos, and even ask some of the victims if they saw who did this. None of this would have been needed had this been a setup or conspiracy.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby slucero » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:06 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:The parents of these two creeps who did this believe it's a setup conspiracy too.

Those two guys in the pix above may have been accounted for already and who knows, maybe they were part of the marathon organization itself or security for the event? I'm confident the two brothers are the ones responsible for the explosions. Now did they have others helping? That will be left for discovery.


You are are selectively choosing fact from fiction.. from the same source...

On one hand you discount the two guys in the pictures.. with a "who knows"... yet you are positively confident in the culpability of the brothers.. yet you (or I) know no more about any of them than what's been seen on TV, or on the interwebs...

I hope you do see how you just contradicted yourself.

I also never said I believed it was a conspiracy.. I 'm just questioning what the pictures show.

All of us are assuming their guilt because of that alone.


The Sushi Hunter wrote:Common sense - if this was a Government setup of some kind, wouldn't authorities have then already known exactly who was responsible and where they were located?


Using your definition of common sense here.. the government will arrest itself for crimes it knowingly commits.. ever heard of the recent ATF "gunwalking" scandal? No arrests for that yet..


The Sushi Hunter wrote:The Government did not know who was behind this and so they had to sift through loads of pix and videos, ask help from the public with information such as cell phone pix and video, business surveillance videos, and even ask some of the victims if they saw who did this. None of this would have been needed had this been a setup or conspiracy.


You have no way of proving the the government didn't know. That is just presumption on your part, which you're entitled to.

"diversion" is a military tactic as old as human conflict. Example... If you wanted your wife to not pay attention to the lipstick on your neck, you'd simply cut your hand.


Common sense would dictate that had the "two guys" been "security".. then there's no reason either would have dropped those bags, because those bags area what LEO/security use to carry their gear (weapon(s), communications, etc).

Common sense would also dictate that anyone wearing, then NOT wearing a backpack is a suspect.

That no one has questioned the obvious discrepancies in the pictures of the current suspects backpacks vs. the "two guys" backpacks, especially considering what is blatantly obvious in the very same pictures should cause any logical person to pause.


That you believe otherwise is not "simple common sense" at all.. it's just being plain old "simple".

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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:56 am

Yep.
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Re: Boston Explosion

Postby Boomchild » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:12 pm

The suspect was read his Miranda Rights and ceased answering questions posed by the FBI. I heard one comment by the FBI that they were shocked by the event happening. What the hell did they expect in situation where a person is going to be tried in a civil court. Does anyone believe they couldn't see this coming?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 1005.story
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