Queensryche Frontman Chucks Fan's Phone

[verslibre]

Co-composer of a number of the band's best songs, and original member = dispensable hired hand? Seriously?

The best and most popular songs were written by DeGarmo and Tate. You listed a bunch of early tracks that no casual fan even cares about. As a hardcore Journey fan, I love "Winds of March" and "Anytime" - should all Journey fans bow down and kiss Fleischman's rumpled ass? Get real.

No, you get real. So you're a "casual fan"? If you weren't, you wouldn't diss songs from The Warning as "early tracks that no casual fan even cares about." Musically, it's their best album along with O:M—I guess you didn't recognize those song titles, huh? For shame.

Every QR fan wants the band to turn out a record on par with their output from 1984-1990. The QR guys minus Geoff have been wanting to revisit that sound for years but Geoff keeps trying to anchor shit down in a zone that's decidely less intrinsically "metal." Every album post-Empire suffers from that compromise, barring a few choice numbers on Promised Land. Operation: Mindcrime 2 was something that essentially should not have happened because trying to top something that's already perfect is a no-no. (The only good song is the one Dio appears on, go figure.)

If Rush can shake the goofiness of albums like Presto and Test For Echo off their collective pants and rock out with abandon once more like on Vapor Trails and Clockwork Angels, so can Queensryche. They just had to get rid of the one lone entity holding them back. You'll notice that the main band now consists of the ORIGINAL drummer, ORIGINAL bassist and one of the two ORIGINAL guitarists.

Geoff's band = whoever wants to work for/with him. And he's already had line-up changes and even one public diss by a non-QR musician. And reports of FU are mostly "not good" to "totally sucks."

In all fairness, even with his amazing voice, the hired hand was actually Geoff. They didn't have a singer to cut the demo so he stepped in, but he was a member of a prog rock band called Babylon.

Yea, and Perry was just some guy that Herbie hired. Man, ur bias is showing. Bad. The whole band was DeGarmo and Tate. The band went to shit without DeGarmo. Under Tate's leadership, it got even worse. Doesn't mean Wilton has any right to it. He's not Mick Jones.

Oh, yeah, you're not biased. You're the only guy who sides with Geoff in the cell phone-toss-incident thread.

Correction: the band went to shit WITH DeGarmo. It's a fact. Accept it. Unless you're a 'Greatest Hits' guy who doesn't know better, the band's songwriters were DeGarmo, Tate and Wilton, in that order. I'm not arguing that DeGarmo didn't write many of the best songs. I'm trying to tell you that Wilton isn't the throwaway slouch you're portraying him to be.

Plus, Journey is the lamest band you could have tried to draw a comparison to because a) on this forum, it's the ultimate cliche, and b) their most successful line-up involved the departure of a key founding member (Rolie) and a singer who they keep trying to find replacements for. LOL! Queensryche just lucked out with Todd LaTorre who isn't a Geoff clone, he just happens to be a rock solid emulator.

[Melissa]

Cell phones are still way less annoying to me at concerts than second hand smoke (THAT affects singers for sure) and people so drunk they fall into other fans or worse, puke on the floor right in the middle of everyone. I'd rather "deal" with cell phones ANY time over any of that. Interestingly enough too, what GT did is, in some states, a 3rd degree felony with up to 5 years in jail. I find that hilarious.

[Pelata]

I don't agree with the notion that just because you are a fan and buy the artist's music and pay to see them in concert that you have a right to photograph and video the artist. When you buy a concert ticket, all that artist owes you is a show worth the price of admission. That's all.

And to not take your personal property out of your hand and throw it to the crowd. If Tate had a real problem with it, he should have called security.

Also, I don't think that buying a ticket necessarily gives a fan the "right" to take pro pics and video. But, honestly, it was a cell phone. Everyone knows fan-filmed cell phone video sucks anyway...who cares if fans (continue to) do it? It's going to look and sound terrible, but the fan gets a unique souvenir of the show.

I also guarantee he knew what he was doing. Everyone with half a brain knows that cell phones are in every concert hall in the world and people are filming. He knew someone would film him doing this. He knew it would be all over the internet and people would be talking about it (like we are) and it falls right in line with his "tell me how much you hate the album" attitude and promo lately. He's really playing up the "no such thing as bad press" mantra. What Tate did is inexcusable, but it was also intentional.

The fan knew what he was doing and took the risk. Some artists are OK with it while others are not. Maybe Tate is not one that is OK with it. He could have handled it differently. But he has a right to how he feels about whom is filming the show.

He has a right to how he feels...he does not have the right to destroy property. It's just wannabe rock n roll "badass" posturing...like a celebrity smashing a camera...it's childish.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, you get real. So you're a "casual fan"? If you weren't, you wouldn't diss songs from The Warning as "early tracks that no casual fan even cares about." Musically, it's their best album along with O:M—I guess you didn't recognize those song titles, huh? For shame.

Yea, and "Look Into the Future" is the best Journey album of all time. Can Tickner please come out of retirement and guide this band back into the prog rock hall of fame? Look, I can't debate rationally with hardcore sticky-fingered fanboys who exist in an alternate dimension (or more accurately, their momma’s basement) completely removed from commercial reality. DeGarmo/Tate was the songwriting core of Queensryche. As a reference, Cain/Perry wrote the bulk of the hits Journey tours behind to this date. Without Tate or DeGarmo, the new band has all the legitimacy of The “new” Doors or the "new" Flock of Seagulls or those PBS Doo Woop groups where all the members are dead.

Every QR fan wants the band to turn out a record on par with their output from 1984-1990. The QR guys minus Geoff have been wanting to revisit that sound for years but Geoff keeps trying to anchor shit down in a zone that's decidedly less intrinsically "metal."

Aww, poor babies. And this justifies them hijacking the name and trying to make a quick turnaround buck exactly how?

Oh, yeah, you're not biased. You're the only guy who sides with Geoff in the cell phone-toss-incident thread.

Archetype agreed with it too. I would agree with any lead vocalist that did it. Hopefully, it encourages others to do the same. I can easily see David Lee grabbing a phone, tossing it to the nose bleeds, followed by a curtsy, bow, and counter clockwise ballerina spin. Did I mention that I respect the opinion of fugitive Nazi war criminals much more than your dumb roadkill ass?

Correction: the band went to shit WITH DeGarmo. It's a fact. Accept it. Unless you're a 'Greatest Hits' guy who doesn't know better, the band's songwriters were DeGarmo, Tate and Wilton, in that order. I'm not arguing that DeGarmo didn't write many of the best songs. I'm trying to tell you that Wilton isn't the throwaway slouch you're portraying him to be.

No, it didn’t. Every DeGarmo-involved album was light years above what has come since.

Queensryche just lucked out with Todd LaTorre who isn't a Geoff clone, he just happens to be a rock solid emulator.

Lmao. Fanboy delusions, I tell ya. You make me laugh. And Hugo is a sincere legitimate artist in his own right, huh? LaTorre is the Jeff Dunham or Rich Little of rock. Just an impersonator, and his hair thrashing moves are straight out of Beavis and Butthead. But hey, you keep believing in the dream, kiddo. Passion is a great thing. Even when its epically misguided.

[verslibre]

Yea, and "Look Into the Future" is the best Journey album of all time.

Again, bad comparison. One band was brand new and got noticed on the strength of an EP and went to go play arenas in Japan. The other band consisted of guys who'd already been around.

Look, I can't debate rationally with hardcore sticky-fingered fanboys who exist in an alternate dimension (or more accurately, their momma’s basement) completely removed from commercial reality.

Passive-aggressive much?

Without Tate or DeGarmo, the new band has all the legitimacy of The “new” Doors or the "new" Flock of Seagulls or those PBS Doo Woop groups where all the members are dead.

DeGarmo's long-gone, dude. He has a day job. Has for many years. So tell me, why are Geoff's solo albums all flops, since you're implying he was the only reason to listen to post-DeGarmo QR? Wait, you mean you didn't buy them?

Aww, poor babies. And this justifies them hijacking the name and trying to make a quick turnaround buck exactly how?

Is it a hijack? Or did Geoff cross a line somewhere? Four guys suddenly wanted him out. Geoff's wife and daughter were also involved in the band's business. Do you have the inside scoop or do you just enjoy being a troll? I cast my vote for the latter.

Did I mention that I respect the opinion of fugitive Nazi war criminals much more than your dumb roadkill ass?

Good God, I hope you don't have offspring.

No, it didn’t. Every DeGarmo-involved album was light years above what has come since.

LMFAO! Hear in the Now Frontier SUCKED, dude. It SUCKED BALLS. Who's delusional?

LaTorre is the Jeff Dunham or Rich Little of rock.

Probably exactly what you thought of Augeri and Soto when they joined Journey. Nah, you'd never even heard of Soto before that. Your rock cred is lacking.

But hey, you keep believing in the dream, kiddo. Passion is a great thing. Even when its epically misguided.

And we can have a normal "discussion" when you stop letting Geoff teabag you. Enjoy your copy of Queensryche's Greatest Hits. I wonder why 11 of its 16 tracks are taken from '83-'90? Why are there no songs from Q2K and Tribe on it? And at least two of the songs on Greatest Hits were anything but.

[Liam]

I may have my phone, but my zippo is all I still use.

What kind of pictures do those take?

REALLY out of focus ones.

[verslibre]

And here's probably the single greatest reason the Tates were drop-kicked. This concept was entirely Geoff's baby, no doubt about it.

"Hey, I've got an idea! Let's try and be like Motley Crue!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wCQZ37c-NU

(Btw, Geoff, nobody has ever wanted to see you singing onstage in only your underwear and a trenchcoat.)

[verslibre]

Comparison between two live performances by Queensrÿche and Geoff Tate's Queensryche of "The Needle Lies," the uptempo shredder from Operation: Mindcrime (music by Michael Wilton, not Chris DeGarmo).

Bottom line? Todd sounds awesome. It sounds the way it was recorded.

Geoff's toast. Tuned down a whole step. Pitchy. Flat notes. Strain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspjN7W2yz8

[The_Noble_Cause]

Enjoy your copy of Queensryche's Greatest Hits. I wonder why 11 of its 16 tracks are taken from '83-'90? Why are there no songs from Q2K and Tribe on it? And at least two of the songs on Greatest Hits were anything but.

And how many songwriting credits exactly does Michael Wilton have on the GH cd? Maybe 3? At best? And they are all co-writes with Tate and DeGarmo. So once again, you are my intellectual bitch clown and have unwittingly made my argument for me. Thank you! You can hate on Tate and DeGarmo and give away your hard-earned money to Fakeryche (just an aside - ever consider finishing your GED so you can stop jerking on cam for bitcoins?), but the fact remains - Wilton is NOT Mick Jones. He's not a band leader. As a founding member, he has had about as much creative impact as Ross Valory. Tate may have LSD, but the new 'Ryche is still a fraud.

Won't dignify your Jeff comments with a response. Soto has had a varied and long rock career. Before this, La Torre sang at a few BBQs and maybe a trailer park wedding. Tops. That's it.

[verslibre]

Enjoy your copy of Queensryche's Greatest Hits. I wonder why 11 of its 16 tracks are taken from '83-'90? Why are there no songs from Q2K and Tribe on it? And at least two of the songs on Greatest Hits were anything but.

And how many songwriting credits exactly does Michael Wilton have on the GH cd? Maybe 3? At best? And they are all co-writes with Tate and DeGarmo. So once again, you are my intellectual bitch clown and have unwittingly made my argument for me. Thank you! You can hate on Tate and DeGarmo and give your hard-earned money (just an aside - ever consider finishing your GED so you can stop jerking on cam for bitcoins?), but the fact remains - Wilton is NOT Mick Jones. He's not a band leader. As a founding member, he has had about as much creative impact as Ross Valory.

Nope, wrong again. Mike's written some of their best songs. I refuse to believe you think "singles = band's best songs." "Sign Of The Times" is a prime example of when DeGarmo phoned it in, that song is all him.

QR's GH should more accurately be called "The Singles." Mike wrote the music for "Warning" (one of their best songs, period) and Geoff wrote the lyrics and sang it. Mike shares co-writing credit on "Walk In The Shadows," "I Dream In Infrared," and the first big single of Empire, the title track. "Silent Lucidity" became the band's biggest hit, and it's all Chris, but that song is sappy as hell like "Open Arms" — and you get sick of it quick, like "Open Arms."

I still don't get your witch hunt against Wilton. By the way, since when do singles constitute a band's best works? Maybe that shit flies in AOR bands but not in metal and prog rock, buddy.

Tate may have LSD, but the new 'Ryche is still a fraud.

That's your opinion.

Won't dignify your Jeff comments with a response. Soto has had a varied and long rock career.

He was Yngwie's first singer. That was way before Talisman. And if you want to know a neat bit of trivia about Jeff, he sang on an EP's worth of songs with Jerry and Doyle of The Misfits on a project those guys did called Kryst The Conqueror. AFAIK, those songs remain officially unreleased in their original form. Some of them were retooled and renamed when The Misfits got back together after they buried the hatchet with Glenn.

Before this, La Torre sang at a few BBQs and maybe a trailer park wedding. Tops. That's it.

Todd was Crimson Glory's singer for three years. They toured Europe in 2011 and 2012. I thought you knew that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I picked up FU and plan to also pick up the new Ryche cd as well. The proof will be in the pudding I guess.

[verslibre]

Okay, you've listened to FU? And the verdict is? It's getting bashed left and right.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think someone (maybe AR?) posted a thread about it. Either way, there's some decent rock tracks, but not very good overall. It not very Queensryche-y to me. As others have said, "Hands of God" is cool. "Dare" and "Cold" are ok in a generic angry rock sense. What's really surprising is how bad Geoff sounds here. His vox are buried in the mix too. Obviously just quickly hobbled together on a break from touring. My version isn't the re-mixed one. The remixed samples sound better, but the songs are weak. Some of it sounds like pre-recorded drum machines beats or guitar loops. As for the re-records, Geoff is sampling his original vocal on JCW, which is illegal I'm pretty sure. Silent Lucidity is just horrid. In closing, it is OK. Maybe 5 or 6 listenable tracks.

[verslibre]

It not very Queensryche-y to me.

Meh.

What's really surprising is how bad Geoff sounds here. His vox are buried in the mix too. Obviously just quickly hobbled together on a break from touring.

Doesn't make sense that he would rush something that would make him sound so bad. Downmixed vocals? There's usually a reason for that. Bruce Dickinson's vocals on A Matter of Life and Death aren't particularly loud, but you can still hear Bruce. Iron Maiden mixed the album to avoid compressing the hell out of everything (three guitarists and a rhythm section). I don't think this was the case with FU.

My version isn't the re-mixed one. The remixed samples sound better, but the songs are weak. Some of it sounds like pre-recorded drum machines beats or guitar loops.

Crap, crap, and more crap.

As for the re-records, Geoff is sampling his original vocal on JCW, which is illegal I'm pretty sure. Silent Lucidity is just horrid.

"When you can't sing and you use your old vocals...diarrhea!"

In closing, it is OK. Maybe 5 or 6 listenable tracks.

"Not very good overall" is not "okay" in my book. How much did you plunk down for it?

Looking forward to the first album by Queensrÿche.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Only ten bucks or so. I was surprised to see it at Best Buy actually.

[conversationpc]

The best and most popular songs were written by DeGarmo and Tate. You listed a bunch of early tracks that no casual fan even cares about. As a hardcore Journey fan, I love "Winds of March" and "Anytime" - should all Journey fans bow down and kiss Fleischman's rumpled ass? Get real.

Ummm...No. Most QR fans, even ones who came on later (like me in the late 90s) recognizes the classic era of the band is from about '84 through about '90, '91.

The whole band was DeGarmo and Tate. The band went to shit without DeGarmo.

It went to shit WITH DeGarmo still in the band, a big portion of the fanbase believing that started with "Promised Land" and an even larger portion of the fanbase believing that happened with "Hear in the Now Frontier".

[Liam]

Hear In The Now Frontier for me. Q2K had one good track, and it's only because of the intro....Liquid Sky

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have always liked HITNF myself.

[conversationpc]

Just finished listening to "Frequency Unknown". This thing is the biggest turdpile yet to bear the Queensryche name (which it shouldn't have in the first place). The only track worth anything, in my opinion, is "The Weight of the World" and even that could be really improved upon.

[verslibre]

Just finished listening to "Frequency Unknown". This thing is the biggest turdpile yet to bear the Queensryche name (which it shouldn't have in the first place). The only track worth anything, in my opinion, is "The Weight of the World" and even that could be really improved upon.

So there's but-a-one "crusted" jewel on it?

[conversationpc]

Just finished listening to "Frequency Unknown". This thing is the biggest turdpile yet to bear the Queensryche name (which it shouldn't have in the first place). The only track worth anything, in my opinion, is "The Weight of the World" and even that could be really improved upon.

So there's but-a-one "crusted" jewel on it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just finished listening to "Frequency Unknown". This thing is the biggest turdpile yet to bear the Queensryche name (which it shouldn't have in the first place). The only track worth anything, in my opinion, is "The Weight of the World" and even that could be really improved upon.

Didn't like Hands of God, Dave? Running Backwards is kinda catchy. It's def not worthy of the Queensryche name tho.

[Boomchild]

He has a right to how he feels...he does not have the right to destroy property. It's just wannabe rock n roll "badass" posturing...like a celebrity smashing a camera...it's childish.

It was a jerk move. I also would suspect that there was notice given somewhere that pictures and video recording was not permitted. So the fan should be aware of the risk that something could happen. I see nothing wrong with an artist wishing to control how their image and performances are released. Tate did not instigate the situation, the fan did.

[verslibre]

"(To) any extent Geoff Tate is the band as he claims, it is only the band of the last few years; the band of seriously declining sales, of loss of fans, of a sound and style that has little to no connection to the popular works which built us." — Michael Wilton

DING!

The Anybody Listening? forum is hilarious right now (has for a while). The Tate hate is practically universal over there.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Which forum? I know Tate and his wife hijacked the Facebook page.

[verslibre]

That forum.

[jestor92]

The only QR albums I like are Mindcrime and their debut EP. The rest of the music does nothing for my ears.

[verslibre]

The only QR albums I like are Mindcrime and their debut EP. The rest of the music does nothing for my ears.

Not even The Warning, their first LP? That record is mondo!

[verslibre]

Two songs from the forthcoming Queensryche are on Youtube, but there's also a live performance of another new song called
"Fallout." It's a fast, crunchy number, a short song about three minutes long. It reminds me of songs like "Speak" and "The Needle Lies." This is no doubt the kind of music Tater-tot was trying to hold Mike and Ed back from doing.

The other two new songs ("Redemption" and Parker's song, "Where Dreams Go To Die") are quite good. Definitely better than anything on Promised Land. I hope the whole album lives up to expectations, but I'm not going to get my hopes up too high, either. Either way, the vocals are great. Autobuy "on."

[conversationpc]

The only QR albums I like are Mindcrime and their debut EP. The rest of the music does nothing for my ears.

Not even The Warning, their first LP? That record is mondo!

Yeah, I don't get how someone could like the EP and NOT like "The Warning".