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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby RPM » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:04 am

Boomchild wrote:What I think this all comes down to is, was Zimmerman in the right to use deadly force in this situation. You have to weigh if someone in his position could actually feel that their life is in danger. I think it's quite possible to feel this way if someone is sitting on top of you punching you about in the head and slamming your head in the ground. If Martin was the one to start the fight, then he took the risks involved. I really doubt that he was naive to not consider someone could have a firearm on them walking around after dark. Prior to the actual fight neither of them were doing anything against the law. I will say that I feel Zimmerman made an error in judgement to carry a firearm instead of something non lethal i.e. mace or a taser. Were talking about neighborhood WATCH not apprehend and detain.


Great point. It s really the heart of the matter for the jury.They are asking for more info on manslaughter charges,
however in florida they purposely keep the prison terms from them, as to not bias them on the charge they consider.
Whats interesting is the murder 2 the state wanted would have been 30 to life, manslaughter much less EXCEPT
Florida has a rule if the victim was under 18 you will get 30 for that as well. So the jury may think they will strike a balance
when in fact th result will be nearly the same if they convict.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:07 pm

NOT GUILTY! Verdict is in.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby slucero » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:10 pm

Let the rioting begin.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby RPM » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:17 pm

surprised by this. But the jury asked specific questions regarding the Law, and they must have felt
that ZIMMERMAN had the right under Florida law to defend himself with lethal force if he felt his life
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:22 pm

This one doesn't shock me in the slightest. The other famous Florida jury in the CA trial still makes me sick, however.....
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:31 pm

slucero wrote:Let the rioting begin.


And if the players were reversed there would be no rioting. I hope there is no rioting, but I won't be surprised if there is.

The justice system serves all. The people who are so shocked about the verdict don't understand how things work.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby slucero » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:07 pm

steveo777 wrote:
slucero wrote:Let the rioting begin.


And if the players were reversed there would be no rioting. I hope there is no rioting, but I won't be surprised if there is.

The justice system serves all. The people who are so shocked about the verdict don't understand how things work.



The man was acquitted by a jury of his peers... that's all that needs to be said, or known...


saying anything else is only incendiary... and unless one possesses a law degree - also ignorant.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby tater1977 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:08 pm

iN case you missed it...

Jury Finds George Zimmerman Not Guilty

George Zimmerman has been found not guilty in Trayvon Martin's death. Zimmerman faced both charges of second-degree murder and manslaughter. The jury deliberated for 16 hours. The all female jury did ask for a clarification of manslaughter late in their deliberation. The Zimmerman trial has been highly controversial with widespread media coverage. The trial has also been trending on Twitter.

Here is a video of the verdict being read. Zimmerman did not show much emotion after the verdict was read, but he did seem relieved. He shook the hands of his lawyers. Take a look..

http://www.shoppingblog.com/jury-finds- ... y-71320138
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby RPM » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:47 pm

slucero wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
slucero wrote:Let the rioting begin.


And if the players were reversed there would be no rioting. I hope there is no rioting, but I won't be surprised if there is.

The justice system serves all. The people who are so shocked about the verdict don't understand how things work.



The man was acquitted by a jury of his peers... that's all that needs to be said, or known...


saying anything else is only incendiary... and unless one possesses a law degree - also ignorant.


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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:31 pm

NAACP president "outraged"
http://www.cnn.com/

If the president of the NAACP wants to show good leadership, he should inform the people he leads that this was not about race. It was about one man defending himself against another. As I said before, if the characters were reversed, my opinion of the way the trial ended would not change.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Memorex » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:25 pm

This is disturbing. So Zimmerman is acquitted and now suddenly there are no safe neighborhoods? There is some epidemic of black children being profiled and gunned down in nice neighborhoods by white people? How can a journalist speak with such clear stupidity?

MSNBC anchor Melissa Harris-Perry nearly broke down in tears in the wee hours of Sunday morning while describing her reaction — and the reaction of her 11-year-old daughter — to the not guilty verdict of George Zimmerman.

After a fellow anchor referenced Harris-Perry’s initial comments that black parents will need to hold their children a little closer following the jury’s decision, she became emotional.

“I think part of the reason I was having that reaction was because my 11-year-old is apparently — she’s home with her father — and she was watching, and texted me that she felt like there was no justice in America. And my big sister told me that her 12-year-old son had gotten in bed with them tonight,” she said, her voice cracking and appearing to fight back tears.

She went on to claim that African-American parents have two options: either live in an African-American neighborhood where black-on-black crime is high, or move to a nicer neighborhood where such families can be “profiled and potentially victimized by violence by those who will see them as not belonging there.”

“It begins to feel like there is no place that you can be, no choice that you can make, no home that you can buy, no place where you can put your kids in school that is safe,” she added.


She then went on to compare it to the feeling families in the Newton massacre must have felt: “There is no safe place to be.”
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby slucero » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:28 pm

Memorex wrote:This is disturbing. So Zimmerman is acquitted and now suddenly there are no safe neighborhoods? There is some epidemic of black children being profiled and gunned down in nice neighborhoods by white people? How can a journalist speak with such clear stupidity?



Journalism lost its integrity a loooooong time ago..

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Boomchild » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:01 pm

slucero wrote:
Memorex wrote:This is disturbing. So Zimmerman is acquitted and now suddenly there are no safe neighborhoods? There is some epidemic of black children being profiled and gunned down in nice neighborhoods by white people? How can a journalist speak with such clear stupidity?



Journalism lost its integrity a loooooong time ago..


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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Boomchild » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:02 pm

I wonder if Martin's family plan to bring a wrongful death suit against Zimmerman now?
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby SteveForever » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:09 am

I don't come here very often, but I needed to know what the opinion was of my peers on this case. I am in shock they are letting this guy get away with murdering this teenager! If he had just gone back in his house and left him alone. The dude is guilty as sin in my opinion no matter what the jury says. This is wrong people!
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:50 am

SteveForever wrote:I don't come here very often, but I needed to know what the opinion was of my peers on this case. I am in shock they are letting this guy get away with murdering this teenager! If he had just gone back in his house and left him alone. The dude is guilty as sin in my opinion no matter what the jury says. This is wrong people!


Not to pick a fight with you and I'm no expert on legal matters, but Florida law allows the use of deadly force, in exactly the circumstances those men were in, to defend against loss of life and a felony being comitted against one's person. The jury did all they could based on "reasonble doubt". The only verdict, given the facts, was not guilty. None of us were there. None of us were in the courtroom thoughout the entire trial. What we got were the media tailings.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby slucero » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:55 am

steveo777 wrote:
SteveForever wrote:I don't come here very often, but I needed to know what the opinion was of my peers on this case. I am in shock they are letting this guy get away with murdering this teenager! If he had just gone back in his house and left him alone. The dude is guilty as sin in my opinion no matter what the jury says. This is wrong people!


Not to pick a fight with you and I'm no expert on legal matters, but Florida law allows the use of deadly force, in exactly the circumstances those men were in, to defend against loss of life and a felony being comitted against one's person. The jury did all they could based on "reasonble doubt". The only verdict, given the facts, was not guilty. None of us were there. None of us were in the courtroom thoughout the entire trial. What we got were the media tailings.



at the risk of repeating myself..

slucero wrote:
The man was acquitted by a jury of his peers... that's all that needs to be said, or known...


saying anything else is only incendiary... and unless one possesses a law degree - also ignorant.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:34 am

Now there's rumblings that the NAACP wants Zimmerman charged with civil rights violation. This is crazy. If they want to go there, maybe they should realize that the first violation occurred when Martin's fist hit Zimmerman's nose. BTW, isn't it time for the NAACP to change their name? We don't call people that anymore and haven't for 50 years +
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Boomchild » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:46 pm

slucero wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
SteveForever wrote:I don't come here very often, but I needed to know what the opinion was of my peers on this case. I am in shock they are letting this guy get away with murdering this teenager! If he had just gone back in his house and left him alone. The dude is guilty as sin in my opinion no matter what the jury says. This is wrong people!


Not to pick a fight with you and I'm no expert on legal matters, but Florida law allows the use of deadly force, in exactly the circumstances those men were in, to defend against loss of life and a felony being comitted against one's person. The jury did all they could based on "reasonble doubt". The only verdict, given the facts, was not guilty. None of us were there. None of us were in the courtroom thoughout the entire trial. What we got were the media tailings.



at the risk of repeating myself..

slucero wrote:
The man was acquitted by a jury of his peers... that's all that needs to be said, or known...


saying anything else is only incendiary... and unless one possesses a law degree - also ignorant.


I couldn't agree more. It seemed to be a fair trial to me. I saw no indication that the court was sympathetic or partial to Zimmerman. I remember not being happy with the not guilty verdict Casey Anthony got but it's the same thing. A trial by your peers.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Memorex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:45 pm

Sorry for the length of this.

It’s pretty unsettling to read all the comments on the internet and hear some on TV talk about this outcome. I’m a middle-aged white guy. I have it very easy in the world of race relations and things being what they are, I am very happy that I don’t have to face the prejudices that others do. And my next statements are not meant in any way to suggest I have ever felt what others feel. I’ll choose this side of the street until such a day that everyone is treated equal, which obviously will not be in my lifetime.

As a white male, what I do get to experience is an incredible amount of guilt for feelings I’ve either never had or have had very little. I am not a racist. I do not treat people unfair. In my humble opinion, I treat people exactly the way they should be treated. But I’ve been told for so long that I am racist simply because I am white, that I feel guilt over it. I feel shame. These feelings are compounded by the fact that I know, as we all do, that many, many white people treated others disgracefully for so long and that many still judge others simply by the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, etc.

I can look at this case and understand the “here we go again” mentality of black people throughout the country. Especially when the media has framed a narrative that is so provocative. What I can’t understand though is the many “thoughtful” people, journalists, and politicians that say things as Melissa Harris-Perry has, or as the Guardian newspaper published:

Let it be noted that on this day, Saturday 13 July 2013, it was still deemed legal in the US to chase and then shoot dead an unarmed young black man on his way home from the store because you didn't like the look of him.


For 24 hours I’ve heard over and over how it’s open season and it’s OK to kill black people if you are white and all these weird stories about what happened that night that have never been suggested by law enforcement or witnesses. HuffingtonPost is bending itself into a pretzel trying to be the most shocking in its headlines and what scares me there is that it’s white people writing this and the comments sections are full of white people agreeing. Is it really a white person’s experience that we are out tracking down and killing black people and getting away with it? Is the problem of violence in our society white people killing black people? How does this narrative exist from what should be responsible people? I’m not going to pretend to understand what black people should be feeling or saying right now, but I do know that if anyone is being honest, there is no epidemic of Zimmerman/Martin situations out there – not even a little bit. It simply does not exist in any statistically meaningful way. Whatever statistics exist of white people killing black people is, I can pretty much guarantee you it is based more on other crime/gang activity and not simply because of race. Not that it never happens, but it’s not anywhere in the same universe as what everyone is saying today.

Yes – I think many white people are racist and they unfairly judge other races. And Harris-Perry actually had a very good discussion today on people’s subconscious prejudices – which is a far more valuable narrative. I live in an all-white neighborhood because I live in a largely white state. I did not choose Minnesota because it’s white. I chose it because I had a job here and because it is 2,000 miles away from my in-laws, who I am rather prejudice against. Not because they are Hispanic, but because they are assholes. But I digress.

My wife and I made friends with only one family in the neighborhood. They were a lovely black family newly here from Africa. I’m not saying this because of the normal “I have friends that are black” white-guy response. I say it because I was so offended by Harris-Perry’s suggestion that black people cannot move to nice neighborhoods because it’s not safe for them. I’d really like to see the statistics where black people have moved into a nice neighborhood and have been gunned down while the authorities look away. I know it happens sometimes and of course it was much more like that back in the day. I know there are idiots that will light a cross up from time to time. But how many black children are being gunned down in nice neighborhoods otherwise filled with white people?

It is not going to help me and my ethnic neighbors for people in her position to forward such a disgraceful and all out dishonest narrative. It is not going to help me the next time I want to say hi to a black person. It’s going to further divide us and I think we have had enough of that.

I don’t want to hang my head in shame for things that are not real. I get that generations will pay for the unfair treatment many have endured and we are a long way away from that ever going away. But let’s solve the problem with honest debate, not an incendiary one. Just as white people should not be telling black people to “get over it already”, black people should not be suggesting that white people are out gunning them down. And white people should not further that discussion by agreeing.

If a black family from my neighborhood somehow accidentally ended up in the bad areas of Chicago, or east LA, they would be profiling those young black men as much as any white person. And they would be afraid in that environment. And if I ended up somewhere face to face with the Aryan Nation, I too would have that same fear. And I think all of that is justified – many people are violent in this country.

As long as there are groups of people committing terrible acts of violence, people will fear them. Crime is real. No one can turn that off in the name of peace and love. Instincts are what they are. One thing Harris-Perry said on TV today is that white people fear black people because all they see is black people portrayed as criminals. And I understand that completely. It made me think about all the TV shows and movies where the black thug is the person that is feared. It absolutely has been shoved down our throat. But it also made me think of the nightly news where black people are responsible for so many of the murders and other crime in this country. That’s a sad fact and frankly, how could it have turned out any other way when you oppress a group of people for so long? But until that is resolved, no one is ever going to stop worrying about people if they look or act a certain way.

The thing about a case like this is that it is absolutely something that should have never happened. No one was doing anything wrong to begin with and however that fight started, it shouldn’t have. We can say that people shouldn’t be suspicious of a guy walking through a neighborhood in the rain, maybe because he’s black. But then we have to be honest and say well, if all the robberies in the neighborhood are committed by black people, the human brain will never allow for us to turn that instinct off.

I absolutely think it is ok for people to wish that he had gotten a manslaughter charge. I get that. I really don’t know either way. But I don’t think it’s ok to say that white people are hunting down and killing black people and that it is ok now as a matter of law. That’s a far more racist statement in my opinion.

It sucks to get to a certain age in life and realize there are certain problems in society that you hate and will not be solved in your lifetime. I don’t get to see the day we all wish would hurry up and get here.

I’m thankful that there was no real violence in the aftermath of the verdict. I started this thread wondering what people thought the potential for unrest was and it’s good to be here all these days later with those worries in the past. But I fear what I feel tonight is worse than worrying about someone stealing a TV or rolling a cop car. People on television are telling the black community that if they come to my neighborhood, we will hunt them down. I really hate that.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:06 pm

Memorex wrote:Sorry for the length of this.

It’s pretty unsettling to read all the comments on the internet and hear some on TV talk about this outcome. I’m a middle-aged white guy. I have it very easy in the world of race relations and things being what they are, I am very happy that I don’t have to face the prejudices that others do. And my next statements are not meant in any way to suggest I have ever felt what others feel. I’ll choose this side of the street until such a day that everyone is treated equal, which obviously will not be in my lifetime.

As a white male, what I do get to experience is an incredible amount of guilt for feelings I’ve either never had or have had very little. I am not a racist. I do not treat people unfair. In my humble opinion, I treat people exactly the way they should be treated. But I’ve been told for so long that I am racist simply because I am white, that I feel guilt over it. I feel shame. These feelings are compounded by the fact that I know, as we all do, that many, many white people treated others disgracefully for so long and that many still judge others simply by the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, etc.

I can look at this case and understand the “here we go again” mentality of black people throughout the country. Especially when the media has framed a narrative that is so provocative. What I can’t understand though is the many “thoughtful” people, journalists, and politicians that say things as Melissa Harris-Perry has, or as the Guardian newspaper published:

Let it be noted that on this day, Saturday 13 July 2013, it was still deemed legal in the US to chase and then shoot dead an unarmed young black man on his way home from the store because you didn't like the look of him.


For 24 hours I’ve heard over and over how it’s open season and it’s OK to kill black people if you are white and all these weird stories about what happened that night that have never been suggested by law enforcement or witnesses. HuffingtonPost is bending itself into a pretzel trying to be the most shocking in its headlines and what scares me there is that it’s white people writing this and the comments sections are full of white people agreeing. Is it really a white person’s experience that we are out tracking down and killing black people and getting away with it? Is the problem of violence in our society white people killing black people? How does this narrative exist from what should be responsible people? I’m not going to pretend to understand what black people should be feeling or saying right now, but I do know that if anyone is being honest, there is no epidemic of Zimmerman/Martin situations out there – not even a little bit. It simply does not exist in any statistically meaningful way. Whatever statistics exist of white people killing black people is, I can pretty much guarantee you it is based more on other crime/gang activity and not simply because of race. Not that it never happens, but it’s not anywhere in the same universe as what everyone is saying today.

Yes – I think many white people are racist and they unfairly judge other races. And Harris-Perry actually had a very good discussion today on people’s subconscious prejudices – which is a far more valuable narrative. I live in an all-white neighborhood because I live in a largely white state. I did not choose Minnesota because it’s white. I chose it because I had a job here and because it is 2,000 miles away from my in-laws, who I am rather prejudice against. Not because they are Hispanic, but because they are assholes. But I digress.

My wife and I made friends with only one family in the neighborhood. They were a lovely black family newly here from Africa. I’m not saying this because of the normal “I have friends that are black” white-guy response. I say it because I was so offended by Harris-Perry’s suggestion that black people cannot move to nice neighborhoods because it’s not safe for them. I’d really like to see the statistics where black people have moved into a nice neighborhood and have been gunned down while the authorities look away. I know it happens sometimes and of course it was much more like that back in the day. I know there are idiots that will light a cross up from time to time. But how many black children are being gunned down in nice neighborhoods otherwise filled with white people?

It is not going to help me and my ethnic neighbors for people in her position to forward such a disgraceful and all out dishonest narrative. It is not going to help me the next time I want to say hi to a black person. It’s going to further divide us and I think we have had enough of that.

I don’t want to hang my head in shame for things that are not real. I get that generations will pay for the unfair treatment many have endured and we are a long way away from that ever going away. But let’s solve the problem with honest debate, not an incendiary one. Just as white people should not be telling black people to “get over it already”, black people should not be suggesting that white people are out gunning them down. And white people should not further that discussion by agreeing.

If a black family from my neighborhood somehow accidentally ended up in the bad areas of Chicago, or east LA, they would be profiling those young black men as much as any white person. And they would be afraid in that environment. And if I ended up somewhere face to face with the Aryan Nation, I too would have that same fear. And I think all of that is justified – many people are violent in this country.

As long as there are groups of people committing terrible acts of violence, people will fear them. Crime is real. No one can turn that off in the name of peace and love. Instincts are what they are. One thing Harris-Perry said on TV today is that white people fear black people because all they see is black people portrayed as criminals. And I understand that completely. It made me think about all the TV shows and movies where the black thug is the person that is feared. It absolutely has been shoved down our throat. But it also made me think of the nightly news where black people are responsible for so many of the murders and other crime in this country. That’s a sad fact and frankly, how could it have turned out any other way when you oppress a group of people for so long? But until that is resolved, no one is ever going to stop worrying about people if they look or act a certain way.

The thing about a case like this is that it is absolutely something that should have never happened. No one was doing anything wrong to begin with and however that fight started, it shouldn’t have. We can say that people shouldn’t be suspicious of a guy walking through a neighborhood in the rain, maybe because he’s black. But then we have to be honest and say well, if all the robberies in the neighborhood are committed by black people, the human brain will never allow for us to turn that instinct off.

I absolutely think it is ok for people to wish that he had gotten a manslaughter charge. I get that. I really don’t know either way. But I don’t think it’s ok to say that white people are hunting down and killing black people and that it is ok now as a matter of law. That’s a far more racist statement in my opinion.

It sucks to get to a certain age in life and realize there are certain problems in society that you hate and will not be solved in your lifetime. I don’t get to see the day we all wish would hurry up and get here.

I’m thankful that there was no real violence in the aftermath of the verdict. I started this thread wondering what people thought the potential for unrest was and it’s good to be here all these days later with those worries in the past. But I fear what I feel tonight is worse than worrying about someone stealing a TV or rolling a cop car. People on television are telling the black community that if they come to my neighborhood, we will hunt them down. I really hate that.


Post of the fucking year!

I'm extremely proud, when I see a citizen of our country possess the kind of humility and humanity that you have just demonstrated. Very nice post, Memorex. Thank You!
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Memorex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:38 pm

Thanks.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby StoneCold » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:02 am

A lot of so called smart people are just stupid. Zimmerman was stupid (should've waited for cops). Trayvon was stupid (should've kept going gome).

Personally I think the manslaughter option was given so they could've found him guilty of that and appeased the protesters (potential rioters).

Then the timing, reaching a not-guilty verdict Saturday afternoon/evening when most people are off that night and the next day. Should've waited for Monday morning.

I'm surprised this is about all that happened (yet), here's Los Angeles. Crowds walking into the freeway on Sunday. Talk about stupid but I guess better than shooting people and burning down buildings.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Archetype » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:37 am

Disturbed/Device front man David Draiman weighs in on Zimmerman verdict:

http://noisecreep.com/disturbed-device-david-draiman-addresses-george-zimmerman-verdict/

ZIMMERMAN/TRAYVON MARTIN;

THE CASE IS OVER AND A VERDICT HAS BEEN GIVEN. NOW;

NO MATTER WHAT YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION MAY BE ON THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE,

1. NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE OR DESTRUCTION AS A RESULT OF THIS.

2. POLITICISING THIS EVENT (AS THE LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA HAVE BOTH DONE) IS IRRESPONSIBLE, ABHORRENT, AND SELFISH. THERE’S ALREADY FAR TOO MUCH RACIAL TENSION AND BASELESS HATRED IN THIS WORLD, AND THOSE ON EITHER SIDE WHO TRY TO USE THIS AS A MEANS OF FURTHERING THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS, FEAR/HATE MONGERING, OR FURTHERING THEIR OWN RISE TO FAME OR POWER, SHOULD BE CALLED OUT AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

3. THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF EXAMPLES OF BOTH JUSTICE AND INJUSTICE ALL OVER THE WORLD, EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES, THIS IS NOT, NOR SHOULD IT BE MADE TO BE A BLACK OR WHITE OR HISPANIC ISSUE.

SO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE, GET OFF OF YOUR SOAPBOXES, CUT THE CRAP, MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES, AND LETS FOCUS ON ALL OF THE OTHER ATROCITIES THAT OCCUR ALL OVER THE GLOBE (LIKE THE SCHOOL MASSACRE IN NIGERIA WHICH THE MEDIA HAS BASICALLY GLOSSED OVER IN FAVOR OF THE ZIMMERMAN FRENZY). THERE IS NO GREATER PIMP THAN THE MEDIA. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN WHORING SOMETHING OUT UNTIL IT IS BROKEN, DRIED UP, AND NO LONGER OF USE TO THEM. DO NOT LET YOURSELVES BE MANIPULATED BY THIS SLIGHT OF HAND BULLS–T.

OK … I’M DONE.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby hoagiepete » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:50 am

Am I the only one that just don't see how you can justify all the crimes being committed now "for Trayvon"? This makes no sense. It only reinforces the stereotypes that are deemed unfair.

Like destroying innocent people's property? Beating the crap out of people? Stealing shit? This is sick and I don't know how people can live with themselves or how society has gotten to the point were they think it is ok.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Liam » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:54 am

What exactly IS a "White Hispanic"? You're one or the other. Fuck you for dragging my race into it.

Oh...and what do y'all think about the 3 BLACK guys that killed that WHITE girl for her tip money?? Nice national coverage, huh?
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:22 pm

hoagiepete wrote:Am I the only one that just don't see how you can justify all the crimes being committed now "for Trayvon"? This makes no sense. It only reinforces the stereotypes that are deemed unfair.

Like destroying innocent people's property? Beating the crap out of people? Stealing shit? This is sick and I don't know how people can live with themselves or how society has gotten to the point were they think it is ok.


People will use every excuse\situation as an opportunity to do or get what they want. I think it was in Baltimore that a group of African Americans jumped a Hispanic man, while beating and kicking him one of them proudly shouted "This Is for Trayvon". You can't logically explain people that are violent and\or ignorant.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin

Postby steveo777 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Boomchild wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Am I the only one that just don't see how you can justify all the crimes being committed now "for Trayvon"? This makes no sense. It only reinforces the stereotypes that are deemed unfair.

Like destroying innocent people's property? Beating the crap out of people? Stealing shit? This is sick and I don't know how people can live with themselves or how society has gotten to the point were they think it is ok.


People will use every excuse\situation as an opportunity to do or get what they want. I think it was in Baltimore that a group of African Americans jumped a Hispanic man, while beating and kicking him one of them proudly shouted "This Is for Trayvon". You can't logically explain people that are violent and\or ignorant.


Black leadership has failed. NAACP, Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson types are to blame.The media is shameful! What they are preaching is causing this to be way larger of an issue than it should have been. In fact, this case should have never been tried in the first place. The uneducated and ignorant will, unfortunately, never understand that this was not about race. Why don't they go look at the appalling numbers of black people killing black people? How about they clean up their own yard? How about not blaming everthing on whitey? There are plenty of black people who understand the trial was fair and are not subscribing to "mob mentality". I've listened to their opinions, both in person, and online. What makes them think differently? I believe it's because they've taken the time to educate themselves about the facts of the case and how the judicial system works.

And even the POTUS has his ugly hand in it and has from the beginning:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... obama.html
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