MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

[YoungJRNY]

As predicted in this very thread, MOS was a financial dud, so they are shoe-horning Batman into the mix. This is very premature, considering that Superman isn't even a fully formed character yet in MOS. Wolfgang Peterson was going to direct a Batman vs Supes film years ago. Wonder if any of that script will be utilized?

If MOS was a financial dud, this wouldn't be happening. MOS was the fate to all of this and it succeeded. The story is continuing and everybody is essentially returning from MOS. Batman isn't just going to walk in and all of a sudden tell his own story with Superman doing god knows what. The consequence of killing Zod will be there. His relationship with Lois Lane/Daily Planet crew will be there. Luthor will be introduced, they'll just have the Bats written in the script to set up a *****ing badass confrontation between the two by films end, setting up the MEAT to the universe.

The Lex-Corpe logo and Wayne Enterprises Easter Egg now make sense. This was the direction all along to combat Marvel in '15 and establish a MOS sequel with the new Batman introduced. It's all building to the DCU.

[YoungJRNY]

[YoungJRNY]

Also, if MOS was a financial dud, then why would you want to pit this new unproven Golden Boy and chosen one, BATMAN that is NOT Bales and the Nolanverse's TDK trilogy or Heath Ledgers coattails (that's a BATTLE in itself) with the financial dud of a Superman franchise? Makes no sense. WB is viewing this as the continuation in this new Superman world that will lead to the DC Universe. This proves the studio is more than happy with MOS, they just need to now explode this thing with a big bang....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[verslibre]

"Maybe."

PERFECT.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Please. If MOS was a success, they would be pursuing a stand-alone adventure. This decision indicates one of two things. 1) DC/WB is desperate to start the Justice League franchise and give The Avengers a run for their money, quality be damned. OR 2) MOS was a financial disappointment, like Superman Returns, and now they need to light up the Bat signal to make anyone give a damn.

[verslibre]

As predicted in this very thread, MOS was a financial dud, so they are shoe-horning Batman into the mix.

That sounds familiar.

This is very premature, considering that Superman isn't even a fully formed character yet in MOS.

Supes' general backstory is rather well-known, don't you think?

[verslibre]

Please. If MOS was a success, they would be pursuing a stand-alone adventure. This decision indicates one of two things. 1) DC/WB is desperate to start the Justice League franchise and give The Avengers a run for their money, quality be damned.

How are you so certain it will suck? I think we've waited long enough to get the Justice League ball rolling. Apart from Superman Returns and the woeful Green Lantern, we got nothing else during 2005-2012 'sides the Nolan trilogy. Arrow doesn't count because that's a TV series and they've said "that" Green Arrow isn't part of a shared universe (big mistake, IMO).

OR 2) MOS was a financial disappointment, like Superman Returns, and now they need to light up the Bat signal to make anyone give a damn.

More than anything, the version we got with Superman Returns was something that could not be built upon. It was a collective jacking-off to '78-'80 and Superkid would have generated too many problems.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That sounds familiar.

It should. I also said repeatedly that there would either be no Superman sequel, or that WB will desperately try to team him up with Batman. Either way, MOS proved that Superman can't fly on his own merits.

Why don't we discuss some comic movie franchise news that actually matters. There is movement on Dredd 2, which after its theatrical release, was thought to be a non-starter.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/63344

[YoungJRNY]

Please. If MOS was a success, they would be pursuing a stand-alone adventure. This decisions indicates one of two things. 1) DC/WB is desperate to start the Justice League franchise and give The Avengers a run for their money, quality be damned.

Dude, they put WAYNE ENTERPRISES on the satellite logo in MOS's movie production. MOS was the setup to the eventual DC Universe. We practically ALL knew that. SHIT, people were UPSET that there wasn't a Batman or WW cameo. It's simple. People needed a fresh take on a Supes reboot that introduced the shared universe and the sequel will continue that and introduce the new Bats to the fold.

OR 2) MOS was a financial disappointment, like Superman Returns, and now they need to light up the Bat signal to make anyone give a damn.

You're right. Wonder who will replace Henry Cavill as Clark Kent/Superman. OH WAIT MOS was such a disappointment, that they are carrying on with Superman's universe, his story and his cast. Batman is to be introduced as a totally different character and all new vision to setup the Justice League. You CAN'T have a Justice League without the big 2.. IT'S TIME NOW.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Supes' general backstory is rather well-known, don't you think?

Sure. So is Batman's. That didn't stop WB from re-telling it in Begins. Or Sony redundantly retelling Spidey's origin in TAS. Nor did it stop WB from making MOS one big boring montage of flashbacks. The film ends with Kent showing up for work at the Planet. How you go from that, to him teaming up with Batman is quite the stretch. The franchise hasn't even found its sea legs yet.

[YoungJRNY]

Either way, MOS proved that Superman can't fly on his own merits.

MOS set up the entire DC Universe. You're missing the ENTIRE point, sir

Why don't we discuss some comic movie franchise news that actually matters.

..says the guy who liked Green Lantern

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dude, they put WAYNE ENTERPRISES on the satellite logo in MOS's movie production. MOS was the setup to the eventual DC Universe. We practically ALL knew that. SHIT, people were UPSET that there wasn't a Batman or WW cameo. It's simple. People needed a fresh re-take on a Supes reboot that introduced the shared universe and the sequel will continue that will introduce the new Bats to the fold.

And you're point is? A cute little Easter egg means that Goyer and Co. had this all meticulously planned from the start? Gimme a break. This is about WB's bottom lines and profit margins, not story telling.

You're right. Wonder will will replace Henry Cavill as Clark Kent/Superman. OH WAIT MOS was such a disappointment, that they are carrying on with Superman's universe, his story and his cast.

Wrong. They are now doing a spin-off movie, which involves a much more popular DC character. I'd bet you that Amy Adam's screen time as Lois is reduced to pretty much a cameo. As I predicted, there will be no more Superman movies. MOS was a franchise non-starter.

[The_Noble_Cause]

MOS set up the entire DC Universe. You're missing the ENTIRE point, sir

No it didn't. Marvel gradually and painstakingly built a shared universe one movie and franchise property at a time. DC/WB put out an inferior film that just barely eked out a profit, with low public interest, and declared, "Good enough!"

..says the guy who liked Green Lantern

Lantern was awesome. I will take Martin Campbell's filmography over Snyder's any day of the week.

[verslibre]

That sounds familiar.

It should.

It's not about you. YoungJRNY will get it.

I also said repeatedly that there would either be no Superman sequel, or that WB will desperately try to team him up with Batman. Either way, MOS proved that Superman can't fly on his own merits.

Why is desperation a factor? You're being down, maaan. Why you gotta be down? Why you gotta bring everybody down?

The movie IS a sequel AND it commences the big screen DCU by bringing in the company's other flagship character. Why is that bad?

Why don't we discuss some comic movie franchise news that actually matters.

Del Toro still might do Justice League Dark.

Or is it Guardians Of The Galaxy you're waiting for?

Maybe somebody will finance a Doctor Solar movie.

There is movement on Dredd 2, which after its theatrical release, was thought to be a non-starter.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/63344

There is a film SHORT that will be produced, not a full-length sequel. Dredd rocked because it's a proper realization of JD, but the movie did NOT make a profit even when it cost only $50M to make. Yeah, it sucks...but that's what happened.

[YoungJRNY]

How you go from that, to him teaming up with Batman is quite the stretch. The franchise hasn't even found its sea legs yet.

Use your imagination? The story basically writes itself. Billionaire from Gotham lends a hand to team-up with Lex-Corpe to rebuild Metropolis of all the destruction Supes/Zod left behind as Luthor convinces the public that Supes can NOT be trusted. Wayne pairs with Luthor and his big jet lands in Metropolis. Meanwhile, within the planet, Clark and Lois get close in their partnership within the Planet and get scoop of this and are set-out to interview this billionaire playboy of Gotham, who resists trusting Superman at first and backs Luthor's vision. This prompts Supes to fly to Gotham and find more about this Wayne person and in Gotham, he runs into the Bats patrolling the streets in an epic staredown. It could be simple story perfectly executed.

The Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne dialogue and relationship is amazing to even think about.

[verslibre]

MOS was a franchise non-starter.

You're trying way too hard.

Lantern was awesome. I will take Martin Campbell's filmography over Snyder's any day of the week.

Now you want to do a filmography comparison? There were segments of GL that looked amateurish, and very "teevee"...and that's without even comparing it to MoS.

[verslibre]

How you go from that, to him teaming up with Batman is quite the stretch. The franchise hasn't even found its sea legs yet.

Use your imagination? The story basically writes itself. Billionaire from Gotham lends a hand to team-up with Lex-Corpe to rebuild Metropolis of all the destruction Supes/Zod left behind as Luthor convinces the public that Supes can NOT be trusted. Wayne pairs with Luthor and his big jet lands in Metropolis. Meanwhile, within the planet, Clark and Lois get close in their partnership within the Planet and get scoop of this and are set-out to interview this billionaire playboy of Gotham, who resists trusting Superman at first and backs Luthor's vision. This prompts Supes to fly to Gotham and find more about this Wayne person and in Gotham, he runs into the Bats patrolling the streets in an epic staredown. It could be simple story perfectly executed.

The Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne dialogue and relationship is amazing to even think about.

Several variations on this theme are floating around. I foresee Batman doing something with red sun radiation and/or kryptonite to even the playing field in their initial encounter.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There is a film SHORT that will be produced, not a full-length sequel. Dredd rocked because it's a proper realization of JD, but the movie did NOT make a profit even when it cost only $50M to make. Yeah, it sucks...but that's what happened.

The filmmakers are talking about doing a proper sequel, due to Dredd's success on dvd. May want to actually try reading the link before commenting.

[verslibre]

Lex Luthor. Hugo Strange. BAM.

[verslibre]

There is a film SHORT that will be produced, not a full-length sequel. Dredd rocked because it's a proper realization of JD, but the movie did NOT make a profit even when it cost only $50M to make. Yeah, it sucks...but that's what happened.

The filmmakers are talking about doing a proper sequel, due to Dredd's success on dvd. May want to actually try reading the link before commenting.

I didn't bother nor did I care to. That's what's been discussed for WEEKS. You're draggin' ass.

I'll believe a full-length sequel is produced when I read a formal announcement.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How you go from that, to him teaming up with Batman is quite the stretch. The franchise hasn't even found its sea legs yet.

Use your imagination? The story basically writes itself. Billionaire from Gotham lends a hand to team-up with Lex-Corpe to rebuild Metropolis of all the destruction Supes/Zod left behind as Luthor convinces the public that Supes can NOT be trusted. Wayne pairs with Luthor and his big jet lands in Metropolis. Meanwhile, within the planet, Clark and Lois get close in their partnership within the Planet and get scoop of this and are set-out to interview this billionaire playboy of Gotham, who resists trusting Superman at first and backs Luthor's vision. This prompts Supes to fly to Gotham and find more about this Wayne person and in Gotham, he runs into the Bats patrolling the streets in an epic staredown. It could be simple story perfectly executed.

The Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne dialogue and relationship is amazing to even think about.

Sounds horrible. Just like Man of Steel.

[verslibre]

Oh, yeah...AICN = Harry Knowles, right?

F that dude. That guy has reported so much BS that never comes to pass...he could pass some stuff, though. Right out of his engorged colon.

[verslibre]

Sounds horrible. Just like Man of Steel.

Like Rocco Prestia would say, you're messin' up the groove, maaan!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I didn't bother nor did I care to. That's what's been discussed for WEEKS. You're draggin' ass.

I'll believe a full-length sequel is produced when I read a formal announcement.

I see. So Superman-related news from ComicCon is valid, but Dredd-related ComicCon news is banned from discussion? Glad we made that clear.

[YoungJRNY]

And you're point is? A cute little Easter egg means that Goyer and Co. had this all meticulously planned from the start? Gimme a break. This is about WB's bottom lines and profit margins, not story telling.

My point is it was there for a reason. This isn't the first time WB tried to lift a Supes/Bats teammup. Snyder introduced this today as "We ARE going to make another SUPERMAN movie..." so this is a sequel using MOS's continuation. It's just time to dive into the huge teammups and Supes/Bats is the BEST you can get to this industry. It's amazing Pretty damn pumped.

Wrong. They are now doing a spin-off movie, which involves a much more popular DC character.

Non-sense. Total non-sense. It's NOT a spin-off. It's a continuation of Man of Steel and introducing a new franchise character to set up the much anticipated eventual Justice League. I respectively disagree with every single word you have just said. Regardless, not only did MOS set up a successful shared universe (what it was supposed to do) but there will countless numbers of years of Superman being on the big screen and continuing the world MOS created, let alone eventually being the LEADER of the Justice League. It's TOTAL win for fan-boygasm's everywhere

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, yeah...AICN = Harry Knowles, right?

F that dude. That guy has reported so much BS that never comes to pass...he could pass some stuff, though. Right out of his engorged colon.

Wrong. Harry owns AICN, doesn't mean every news article is written by him. The Dredd sequel news is being carried by other sources as well (see below). But I guess you just know everything.

http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/9759/d ... equel.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

..not only did MOS set up a successful shared universe (what it was supposed to do)...

How so? With a blink-and-miss-it subliminal freeze frame of a Wayne Enterprises logo? Yea, that's some epic story planning at work right there.

[YoungJRNY]

..not only did MOS set up a successful shared universe (what it was supposed to do)...

How so? With a blink-and-miss-it subliminal freeze frame of a Wayne Enterprises logo? Yea, that's some epic story planning at work right there.

You've answered your own question about, 4 times within this thread Yes. The answer is YES, lmao. Supes and Zod basically destroyed Bruce Wayne's property. It's alllllllllllll set up

[The_Noble_Cause]

..not only did MOS set up a successful shared universe (what it was supposed to do)...

How so? With a blink-and-miss-it subliminal freeze frame of a Wayne Enterprises logo? Yea, that's some epic story planning at work right there.

You've answered your own question about, 4 times within this thread Yes. The answer is YES, lmao. Supes and Zod basically destroyed Bruce Wayne's property. It's alllllllllllll set up

Wow. Brilliant.

[verslibre]

I didn't bother nor did I care to. That's what's been discussed for WEEKS. You're draggin' ass.

I'll believe a full-length sequel is produced when I read a formal announcement.

I see. So Superman-related news from ComicCon is valid, but Dredd-related ComicCon news is banned from discussion? Glad we made that clear.

Dredd — $50M budget, underperforms by $20M at the box office...worldwide, IIRC.

But you keep insisting MoS is a massive dud, though it has crossed the $600M mark worldwide.

Hello?