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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:44 pm

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verslibre wrote:Oh, yeah...AICN = Harry Knowles, right?

F that dude. That guy has reported so much BS that never comes to pass...he could pass some stuff, though. Right out of his engorged colon. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Wrong. Harry owns AICN, doesn't mean every news article is written by him. The Dredd sequel news is being carried by other sources as well (see below). But I guess you just know everything. :roll:

http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/9759/d ... equel.html


As I said...AICN = Harry Knowles, right? Which means he still endorses everything published on HIS site...correct?

Once again...F that guy. :lol:
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:45 pm

FUCKIN' A...did I just swing by CBR and see KUROSAWA posting? Like right fucking NOW? :lol:

(looks again)

Affirmative. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:49 pm

Wow. Brilliant. :roll:


It's subtle and non-force-feeding. It's all setup and there. They established Superman's new origin and fresh take to the franchise. That was sole focus to the Supes character before ANY else. Establish big action fight sequences and take him seriously and grounded. SUCCESS. They've had Easter Eggs of a shared universe, indicating future appearances. SUCCESS. Now, the sequel and continuation of this shared universe is going to be explored and bring in DC's other biggest honcho, setting the stage for Justice League and other spinoffs like Flash to combat Marvel Studios. SUCCESS.

This is only the beginning. :lol:
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:49 pm

verslibre wrote:As I said...AICN = Harry Knowles, right? Which means he still endorses everything published on HIS site...correct?

Once again...F that guy. :lol:


What exactly is there to endorse? The majority of AICN articles are links to other, better, movie sites.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:50 pm

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Wow. Brilliant. :roll:


It's subtle and non-force-feeding. It's all setup and there. They established Superman's new origin and fresh take to the franchise. That was sole focus to the Supes character before ANY else. Establish big action fight sequences and take him seriously and grounded. SUCCESS. They've had Easter Eggs of a shared universe, indicating future appearances. SUCCESS. Now, the sequel and continuation of this shared universe is going to be explored and bring in DC's other biggest honcho, setting the stage for Justice League and other spinoffs like Flash to combat Marvel Studios. SUCCESS.

This is only the beginning. :lol:


Blah blah blah. Yup. MOS is the greatest movie of all time. You've been saying that before it came out too.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:52 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:What exactly is there to endorse?


Its content. There IS original content on it apart from links, right?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The majority of AICN articles are links to other, better, movie sites.


Of course. Knowles is a hack, and it's a hack website. You helped remind me why I never bother looking at it. Thanks!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:55 pm

verslibre wrote:Of course. Knowles is a hack, and it's a hack website. You helped remind me why I never bother looking at it. Thanks!


Doesn't change the fact that you were still wrong about Dredd 2. Go lecture the young impressionable sponge-like mind of YoungJRNY.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:57 pm

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Wow. Brilliant. :roll:


It's subtle and non-force-feeding. It's all setup and there. They established Superman's new origin and fresh take to the franchise. That was sole focus to the Supes character before ANY else. Establish big action fight sequences and take him seriously and grounded. SUCCESS. They've had Easter Eggs of a shared universe, indicating future appearances. SUCCESS. Now, the sequel and continuation of this shared universe is going to be explored and bring in DC's other biggest honcho, setting the stage for Justice League and other spinoffs like Flash to combat Marvel Studios. SUCCESS.

This is only the beginning. :lol:


Blah blah blah. Yup. MOS is the greatest movie of all time. You've been saying that before it came out too.


We get it. You hate it. It's totally cool, dude. Better yet, don't go see the movie. :lol: Not everybody is going to like everything. I'll be the first one to admit that MOS isn't perfect because it's far from it. Hell, I admitted it was a movie that TOTALLY took me by surprise and didn't go the way I envisioned it.

Fortunately, it was and IS the Superman story and movie I've ALWAYS wanted. As a certain fan, I got what I want so I am beyond happy with the direction and announcement. I mean , come the FUCK on, take the fucking stick out of your bloody asshole and realize there's people who have been waiting for a LONG time to see Superman and Batman teammup on the big screen. How could this be bad?! Jesus Christ... :mrgreen:
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:59 pm

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verslibre wrote:Of course. Knowles is a hack, and it's a hack website. You helped remind me why I never bother looking at it. Thanks!


Doesn't change the fact that you were still wrong about Dredd 2. Go lecture the young impressionable sponge-like mind of YoungJRNY.


Superman and fucking Batman. I don't sweat your insults, dude. Keep 'em coming. They're awesome. 8)
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:01 pm

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verslibre wrote:Of course. Knowles is a hack, and it's a hack website. You helped remind me why I never bother looking at it. Thanks!


Doesn't change the fact that you were still wrong about Dredd 2. Go lecture the young impressionable sponge-like mind of YoungJRNY.


Dredd 2 is not a "go."

If or when it is, I'll be happier than you, Mr. Wonderful. :lol:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:02 pm

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We get it. You hate it. It's totally cool, dude. Better yet, don't go see the movie. :lol: Not everybody is going to like everything. I'll be the first one to admit that MOS isn't perfect because it's far from it. Hell, I admitted it was a movie that TOTALLY took me by surprise and didn't go the way I envisioned it.

Fortunately, it was and IS the Superman story and movie I've ALWAYS wanted. As a certain fan, I got what I want so I am beyond happy with the direction and announcement. I mean , come the FUCK on, take the fucking stick out of your bloody asshole and realize there's people who have been waiting for a LONG time to see Superman and Batman teammup on the big screen. How could this be bad?! Jesus Christ... :mrgreen:



Blah blah blah. You sound like a Jehovah's Witness ringing my doorbell at 7 am. Just rambling on, no real critical brain function at work, just total self-deception and rote Watchtower memorization. I never said I hated the movie. It's just OK.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:07 pm

I don't know if you guys listen to Tell 'Em Steve-Dave aka TESD, which is one of the weekly podcasts under Kevin Smith's SModcast umbrella.

TESD = Brian Quinn aka Q from Impractical Jokers, Bryan Johnson aka "Beard Guy" from Comic Book Men (and the inspiration for Randal Graves from Clerks/Clerks II), and Walt Flanagan, manager/overseer of Kevin's famous comic book store, Jay & Silent Bob's Secret Stash.

In the latest TESD, MoS gets brought up by Q. The same shit: he and Walt liked it, and both were lamenting/mocking all the bullshit about people complaining about the screen time given to battles as opposed to Superman never throwing a punch in Returns.

We got the Superman movie we've been clamoring for for years, and somehow it causes a bunch of freaks to suddenly adore Returns. Hilarious. :lol:
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:09 pm

What's this about bloody assholes and Jehovah's Witnesses? Is this the new Journey concept/farewell album? :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:21 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:
We get it. You hate it. It's totally cool, dude. Better yet, don't go see the movie. :lol: Not everybody is going to like everything. I'll be the first one to admit that MOS isn't perfect because it's far from it. Hell, I admitted it was a movie that TOTALLY took me by surprise and didn't go the way I envisioned it.

Fortunately, it was and IS the Superman story and movie I've ALWAYS wanted. As a certain fan, I got what I want so I am beyond happy with the direction and announcement. I mean , come the FUCK on, take the fucking stick out of your bloody asshole and realize there's people who have been waiting for a LONG time to see Superman and Batman teammup on the big screen. How could this be bad?! Jesus Christ... :mrgreen:



Blah blah blah. You sound like a Jehovah's Witness ringing my doorbell at 7 am. Just rambling on, no real critical brain function at work, just total self-deception and rote Watchtower memorization. I never said I hated the movie. It's just OK.


Huh? Tell me why I'm supposed to be upset about all of this. Seriously, your attitude makes Walt Kowalski look like Bozo the Clown :lol: You said MOS was just OK and placed it just above Batman Begins (which was phenomenal and still my favorite comic book movie thus far) but you didn't care for it, so, there's a trend happening here.. :lol:

You praise Green Lantern as a quality movie made but you expect us to buy what your mouth is regurgitating? That's laugh out loud embarrassingly in the minority way of thinking for a flick like Green Lantern that no insults or crafty paragraphed sentences won't save how ludicrous of a statement you owned so from now on, whatever you do say, odds are I'll think the complete opposite, so keep hating 8)

It's obvious we simply share different preferences in what we like and how we view all of this. Doesn't mean you got to be a greased up dildo about everything. I'm just speaking my mind and discussing the subject at hand. That stick must be poking other things that's preventing you from having any types calm, cool and collective conversations without antagonizing those who don't share your opinion...

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The more you talk, the more I breathe a sigh of relief :lol: I find it comforting that my giddiness for these movies seem to bother you. KEEP ON HATIN! 8)
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:43 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:...and placed it just above Batman Begins, which was phenomenal and still my fav. comic book movie thus far, but you didn't care for it, so, I'll take it. :lol:


Another crummy David Goyer movie.

YoungJRNY wrote:You praise Green Lantern as a quality movie made? That's laugh out loud embarrassingly in the minority way of thinking that no insults or crafty paragraphed sentences won't save how ludicrous of a statement you owned.


Yup. Proudly. Campbell is a great director. Snyder is a flash in a pan.

YoungJRNY wrote:Always going against the grind and antagonizing those who don't share your opinion...


Compared to your own off-the-charts hyperbolic cheerleading, everyone's opinion would seem downright negative. You sound like the catatonic Perry defenders that infested this board. Just total zealot madness. "Speaking your mind and discussing"? Not hardly.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:48 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Another crummy David Goyer movie.


It must suck being the only guy who doesn't like Batman Begins.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Campbell is a great director. Snyder is a flash in a pan.


I get that you like Campbell, but he is not infallible. The finale especially suffers from "crummy" direction. The CGI looked unfinished and the whole flick reeks of a rush job. It doesn't hold up to additional viewings by any margin.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:53 pm

Another crummy David Goyer movie.


You said it, so it must be true!


Yup. Proudly.


One to be proud of, man :lol: More power to you (or not)



Compared to your own off-the-charts hyperbolic cheerleading, everyone's opinion would seem downright negative. You sound like the catatonic Perry defenders that infested this board. Just total zealot madness. "Speaking your mind and discussing"? Not hardly.


Negativity and naysayers are welcome. It's what these places are all about, but you're simply spinning rubbish in favor of your opinion like claiming MOS is a dud when it CLEARLY and factually isn't while using tactile insults to look good. It's not working as good here as it did in the Steve Augeri lipping-thread.

I loved the film and got what I've been asking for years so of course I'm going to be a little happy to discuss it. Like I said, it wasn't perfect and it had many issues. It wasn't the movie I was expecting but it hit the right chords when it had every potential not to.

Don't think Superman is off-limits and instantly condones "cheerleading" just because I'm a fan. If that's the case, I wouldn't want to take a big, hot, scorching, steamy pile of excrement on the chest that is the slimy abortion of Superman Returns.

God awful. I didn't hate it, but it was so disappointing and I wondered what happened to the Supes franchise (SHELVED.) Hell, I sounded like YOU in threads back in the day within those Return discussions. :lol:

MOS brought it back for me because it's simply what I wanted. Instead of the Supes franchise being shelved for 6-7 years, we are getting a Bat-teammup 2 years later. FUCKIN RAD.

I just really dig what they did here. I understand and totally agree with the deserved criticisms and where they stem from. Again, all the criticisms is basically what I enjoyed so it doesn't really bother me. At the end, they're just preferences and opinions, BELIEVE IT OR NOT and mine happens to chose NOT to be miserable about it :lol:
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:23 pm

The question for guys like Kurosawa, etc., is: would you feel a lot better if we were getting NOTHING?
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verslibre wrote:The question for guys like Kurosawa, etc., is: would you feel a lot better if we were getting NOTHING?


Some people got their head so far up their ass in their posting style, that they become the character of their user-name rather than genuine discussions that doesn't always have to be about right or wrong. I just saw Kurosawa post "it's not my fault people have shitty taste."

That's just a close minded person unwilling to like anything but what's in their own figment of their own imagination and if somebody happens to disagree, they are WRONG. It's pompous and downright head-swelling and numbing to read anymore. You're right, v. Some men just want to watch the world BURN! :twisted: :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:55 pm

Another sign this was the direction WB wanted to go in if MOS
Was successful is that WB almost never....ever announces anything
At comic con and was always scared to make a move and was always
Conservative. Here, 1 month and 7 days after the release of MOS and
They have a forged announcement at SDCC? If MOS is a failure as TNC claims,
We wouldn't have heard any types of information for months.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:06 pm

One official and two might-as-well-be official announcements, right? :o
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YoungJRNY wrote:
verslibre wrote:The question for guys like Kurosawa, etc., is: would you feel a lot better if we were getting NOTHING?


Some people got their head so far up their ass in their posting style, that they become the character of their user-name rather than genuine discussions that doesn't always have to be about right or wrong. I just saw Kurosawa post "it's not my fault people have shitty taste."


The post he made where he says he hates MoS so much he's glad Supes will be the Almighty Bat's bitch...classic. :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:55 am

verslibre wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
verslibre wrote:The question for guys like Kurosawa, etc., is: would you feel a lot better if we were getting NOTHING?


Some people got their head so far up their ass in their posting style, that they become the character of their user-name rather than genuine discussions that doesn't always have to be about right or wrong. I just saw Kurosawa post "it's not my fault people have shitty taste."


The post he made where he says he hates MoS so much he's glad Supes will be the Almighty Bat's bitch...classic. :lol:


How funny..though.. that I've had TDKR TPB in my hands a few times. Believe it or not, I've never read the famous storyline for the same reasons how Snyder chose that quote :lol: It's time to dig into it, I'm goin' tomorrow and buying it. Curious to see how Dark Night Returns skyrockets in TPB this week.

This Supes is no push-over. Supes won't be ANYBODIES bitch like some may have in mind. I'm sure the new Bats will slug him once or twice, but Snyders whole purpose was to make Supes cool again.

This dynamic is going to be so exciting. I won't lie, it will be weird not to see Bale in the suite. This new Bats, whoever he is, is going to have intense pressure. Good to be alongside Henry. The dude is as humble as can be and handled this Supes stuff like a damn CHAMP. Cavill is going to have to stand out for this new Bats to hit its mark.......
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Postby verslibre » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:15 am

The Dark Knight Returns is a great read once you get past how weird Frank Miller's art was getting at the time. It's not that it's so weird (because there's always been weird shit), but after his artistic tour de force called Ronin (which you should also read)...the visuals were trippy. :lol:

I'll do a reread within the next few weeks. The recent pair of animated movies were a hit, so it's aging well.
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YoungJRNY wrote: This Supes is no push-over. Supes won't be ANYBODIES bitch like some may have in mind. I'm sure the new Bats will slug him once or twice, but Snyders whole purpose was to make Supes cool again.


That's just Kurosawa whining. Notice how planetman has been conspicuously absent the last couple days...

YoungJRNY wrote:I won't lie, it will be weird not to see Bale in the suit. This new Bats, whoever he is, is going to have intense pressure.


My sister is ultra-bummed about that. Bale is her favorite screen Batman ever. (Ditto.)
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:47 am

I always liked Jeremy Jahns. Entertaining and well spoken dude that gets his points across in an entertaining kind of humorous way. His videos are pretty much always spot on and tells it exactly the way how I see and feel about topics. Here's a well-done video regarding the teammup:

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YoungJRNY wrote:MOS brought it back for me because it's simply what I wanted. Instead of the Supes franchise being shelved for 6-7 years, we are getting a Bat-teammup 2 years later. FUCKIN RAD.


To an extent, you are making the other point. You can't just look at this from the eyes of a fan who is giddy that you get a Superman/Batman movie. I understand that you are excited, but that isn't the point. You have to look at it from the corporate side. Instead of a long running franchise of Superman by himself making tons of money and then doing the big collaboration that's a smash, they are throwing Batman into the film now in an effort to assure that the film will make enough money.

To some extent, Warner Bros has been painted into a corner. You have a Superman movie that they spent WAY too much money making compared to what it brought in. I'm not saying it didn't make money--just that it should have made a lot more for the budget they threw at it. Then, you have a Batman "franchise" where the immediate future is iffy at best considering it's basically at reboot stage. The idea is good, but the timing screams desperation. Unlike the Marvel movies, where there seemed to be a coherent plan, this seems to be throwing stuff at the wall trying to get something to stick.



YoungJRNY wrote: realize there's people who have been waiting for a LONG time to see Superman and Batman teammup on the big screen. How could this be bad?!


two words....Batman & Robin. It's all down to the script. If you get a good script, it's in good shape. Of course, there are plenty of cinematic abortions floating around that never should have been greenlit. The success of movies, at least the big ones, is down to word of mouth. If people like it, they tell their friends, who then go see it and tell their friends. If they don't like it, they tell their friends who wisely choose to spend their money on something else.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:14 am

To an extent, you are making the other point. You can't just look at this from the eyes of a fan who is giddy that you get a Superman/Batman movie. I understand that you are excited, but that isn't the point. You have to look at it from the corporate side.


Why? Believe it or not, I'm a fan in the minority when being "giddy" about a film. I've spent FAR too much time already worrying about the "corporate" side of things. As a fan, why dwell on that aspect of things? Why can't one just like comic books, movie adaptions and just watch the shit out of things and enjoy them for what they are rather than worrying about "corporate"?

Nah, I'll leave the corporate bullshit up to other fans who embarrassingly lose sleep over such things.

Instead of a long running franchise of Superman by himself making tons of money and then doing the big collaboration that's a smash, they are throwing Batman into the film now in an effort to assure that the film will make enough money.


Justice League has been the goal for years and MOS was that benchmark. Don't insult my intelligence. I get that WB has had the pressure to lift a movie this big of magnitude for quite some time.

Over the years, Marvel has left DC/Warner Brothers in the goddamn DUST and failures like Green Lantern were major set-backs. Marvel is doing cross-overs left and right and have been giving their fans a hoot of a good time.

Superman/Batman has been in the works since 2001. It's time NOW to lift it and create the new age of shared universe's before it's too late and falls flat later. MOS gave the greenlight. This needs to happen NOW.

To some extent, Warner Bros has been painted into a corner. You have a Superman movie that they spent WAY too much money making compared to what it brought in. I'm not saying it didn't make money--just that it should have made a lot more for the budget they threw at it.


This wasn't Superman Returns's $270 million dollar budget we're talking about here. Before all of this, Goyer said in an interview the studio put the gauntlet on the movie that in order for a sequel to occur, $600 WW would be that number. Man of Steel is at $635 WW and counting and alas, the sequel was announced almost immediately at comic con.

I don't get where people get these non-existing numbers to what they claim would have been victory for Warner Brothers, which brings me to my next point....

Then, you have a Batman "franchise" where the immediate future is iffy at best considering it's basically at reboot stage.


Essentially, you're explaining exactly the problem Superman just faced. Superman was working against that same fate as a character. Superman Returns, in the eye of the public, was considered an audience WHOMPWHOMP and shelved the Super-franchise for years.

Even in the critical reviews, people are using MOS against its own merits because it's being compared to the Reeve years so how could MOS possibly live up to a billion dollar, rebooted franchise when fans were already turned off by the studio with bombs such as SR and GL?

MOS had a ton working against it, the same way this new Batman will. The studio is confident MOS did its job to introduce a NEW Batman not named Christian Bale.

That's CONFIDENCE to put these two together. If MOS would have failed, noway they would have continued with this universe with BOTH new and fresh flagship characters.

Fans got this imaginative number in their heads that it was a billion dollar or bust for Supes (thanks to TDK and AV) but in reality, there was no way MOS was going to contend with that, not when people were iffy about moving in a new direction to begin with.

What MOS DID do, was give the studio it's most successful reboot EVER and the smashing opening weekends of the June BO record prove there's still interest in the Superman mythos. It's the perfect time to give the fans the Justice League in time. It starts NOW.


two words....Batman & Robin.


You're really going to pull a mid 1990's Joel Shumacher film that was supposed to be campier than the Adam West television show to compare the downsides of what could go wrong? That era of Bat films was more into selling kids merchandise and make a ridiculous coloristic, family pop-corn crunching movie than anything. I don't think Batman and Robin was supposed to be takin as serious as this Superman/Batman introduction we're getting in '15. Bad comparison.

As for the script, this EASILY writes itself. No way they can fucking mess this up.

Unlike the Marvel movies, where there seemed to be a coherent plan, this seems to be throwing stuff at the wall trying to get something to stick.


Huh? Marvel's "coherent" plan was to use a B-list character nobody cared about and force the team of the Avengers within that film. I'm sure Marvel Studios was shocked how crazy IM exploded and Nick Fury assembling the Avengers. They followed up IM with a piece of absolute shit that was IM2, so if anything, they just threw their shit together at the perfect time to get to the Avengers.

Superman/Batman has been trying to get a cross-over for decades now. This is now WB's plan and it's a great way to introduce their universe. I don't think it's throwing up shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. This is DC's flagship partner duo for the FIRST time on screen. Decades in the making. No, this is their plan and was for some time. This is finally happening.

At the end of the day, it's all a big dick-measuring contest. This is going to be a fun next few years 8)
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:48 am

Zack Snyder video announcement at the Con:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F205NTr04-k
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby kgdjpubs » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:34 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
To an extent, you are making the other point. You can't just look at this from the eyes of a fan who is giddy that you get a Superman/Batman movie. I understand that you are excited, but that isn't the point. You have to look at it from the corporate side.


Why? Believe it or not, I'm a fan in the minority when being "giddy" about a film. I've spent FAR too much time already worrying about the "corporate" side of things. As a fan, why dwell on that aspect of things? Why can't one just like comic books, movie adaptions and just watch the shit out of things and enjoy them for what they are rather than worrying about "corporate"?

Nah, I'll leave the corporate bullshit up to other fans who embarrassingly lose sleep over such things.


because the corporate side is EXACTLY why you are getting Batman/Superman vs. Superman 2. That team-up will make money, but if you combine 2 successful franchises (each with a built-in audience), it becomes a bigger film. Right now, you have a Superman film that has barely made enoug money to justify a sequel, and a Batman franchise that is unlikely to match the box office or critical reception of the Nolan films.


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To some extent, Warner Bros has been painted into a corner. You have a Superman movie that they spent WAY too much money making compared to what it brought in. I'm not saying it didn't make money--just that it should have made a lot more for the budget they threw at it.


This wasn't Superman Returns's $270 million dollar budget we're talking about here. Before all of this, Goyer said in an interview the studio put the gauntlet on the movie that in order for a sequel to occur, $600 WW would be that number. Man of Steel is at $635 WW and counting and alas, the sequel was announced almost immediately at comic con.

I don't get where people get these non-existing numbers to what they claim would have been victory for Warner Brothers,


right. $600 million is the minimum to greenlight a sequel. $40 million is chump change at this point. The key point is that it has BARELY reached the bar for a sequel. It should be sitting at $400 domestic, which gives Warner Bros. a decent return on their investment. It's not good business sense to spend $600 million to make $40 million. Thus being the previous point....they spent WAY too much on that movie for the reception it received. It wouldn't be a big deal if they spent $150 million on the movie. They would be happy, and you would probably get Superman 2 and THEN your combo film. Instead, they are rushing it.



YoungJRNY wrote:What MOS DID do, was give the studio it's most successful reboot EVER and the smashing opening weekends of the June BO record prove there's still interest in the Superman mythos. It's the perfect time to give the fans the Justice League in time. It starts NOW.


There is no smashing of June box office records as far as ticket sales go. Superman did pretty good (especially on the opening weekend), but the sharp increase in the price of tickets is driving the myth of the most successful films of recent times and that is simply incorrect.


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two words....Batman & Robin.


You're really going to pull a mid 1990's Joel Shumacher film that was supposed to be campier than the Adam West television show to compare the downsides of what could go wrong? That era of Bat films was more into selling kids merchandise and make a ridiculous coloristic, family pop-corn crunching movie than anything. I don't think Batman and Robin was supposed to be takin as serious as this Superman/Batman introduction we're getting in '15. Bad comparison.

As for the script, this EASILY writes itself. No way they can fucking mess this up.


Yes, they can. I'm not talking about the tone of the Batman film--I'm talking about the quality. You can screw up an serious take just as easily as you can a comedic one. You really think they intended B&R to be that bad? More things get screwed up in the Hollywood system than come out at least halfway decent.

It doesn't just "write itself". It's really easy to mess it up. There are plenty of bad movies out there, superhero and otherwise.


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Unlike the Marvel movies, where there seemed to be a coherent plan, this seems to be throwing stuff at the wall trying to get something to stick.


Huh? Marvel's "coherent" plan was to use a B-list character nobody cared about and force the team of the Avengers within that film. I'm sure Marvel Studios was shocked how crazy IM exploded and Nick Fury assembling the Avengers. They followed up IM with a piece of absolute shit that was IM2, so if anything, they just threw their shit together at the perfect time to get to the Avengers.


Marvel got lucky with the Robert Downey Jr/Iron Man reception. Simply a case of lucky casting, and the movie got a very good reception. Still, they needed a main character for the Avengers, and it worked. The plan was there from the beginning. Make movies of all the characters, built in the audience for the characters and not just the big ones, and then team them up.




YoungJRNY wrote:Superman/Batman has been trying to get a cross-over for decades now. This is now WB's plan and it's a great way to introduce their universe. I don't think it's throwing up shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. This is DC's flagship partner duo for the FIRST time on screen. Decades in the making. No, this is their plan and was for some time. This is finally happening.

At the end of the day, it's all a big dick-measuring contest. This is going to be a fun next few years 8)


Sure, it's the plan to eventually team them up. You think they are going to let Marvel have all the fun and all that money to themselves?!?!? Warners is scrambling playing catchup after seeing the box office that the Avengers brought in. It will probably work unless they totally screw it up, but don't kid yourself. Warner Bros. wasn't ready to do this just yet.
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